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	<title>Comments on: Ward Churchill &#8212; When Affirmative Action Hits Rock Bottom</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Harmening</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/02/affirmative-action-failed/#comment-7201</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Harmening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I would clarify a couple things. I&#039;m a graduate of Sangamon State University (M.A. Psychology), and I have to say, it was a wonderful experience. I was privileged to be in one of the better clinical psychology programs in the midwest. There are a lot of misunderstandings about SSU. I personally was quite saddened to see it sucked into the University of Illinois system, because it lost some wonderful qualities. I don&#039;t recall much of what is being charged these days. My coursework was not alternative. They were full blown courses taught by Ph.D.s. I did a very extensive thesis, which I had to defend. My thesis is now on file with the university. The only alternative component was the &quot;Public Affairs Colloquia,&quot; which required all students to take at least 8 hours from a list of socially relevant courses. I took one called &quot;Issues on the Left,&quot; which I found quite enlightening. There was a program which allowed students to design their own major, which apparently Churchill did. And it likely did not require a thesis because the entire program was writing and research intensive. I have a friend who designed a program called &quot;Astro-Archeology.&quot; He is now quite famous in the field, and for twenty years has been NASA&#039;s only archeologist. I recently seen him interviewed on an episode of NOVA. So, regardless of what the uninformed are saying, I can attest that SSU was a wonderful place to go to college. It is now a very large modern university that has lost most of its earlier flavor. Too bad. For me they were the best of times...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I would clarify a couple things. I&#8217;m a graduate of Sangamon State University (M.A. Psychology), and I have to say, it was a wonderful experience. I was privileged to be in one of the better clinical psychology programs in the midwest. There are a lot of misunderstandings about SSU. I personally was quite saddened to see it sucked into the University of Illinois system, because it lost some wonderful qualities. I don&#8217;t recall much of what is being charged these days. My coursework was not alternative. They were full blown courses taught by Ph.D.s. I did a very extensive thesis, which I had to defend. My thesis is now on file with the university. The only alternative component was the &#8220;Public Affairs Colloquia,&#8221; which required all students to take at least 8 hours from a list of socially relevant courses. I took one called &#8220;Issues on the Left,&#8221; which I found quite enlightening. There was a program which allowed students to design their own major, which apparently Churchill did. And it likely did not require a thesis because the entire program was writing and research intensive. I have a friend who designed a program called &#8220;Astro-Archeology.&#8221; He is now quite famous in the field, and for twenty years has been NASA&#8217;s only archeologist. I recently seen him interviewed on an episode of NOVA. So, regardless of what the uninformed are saying, I can attest that SSU was a wonderful place to go to college. It is now a very large modern university that has lost most of its earlier flavor. Too bad. For me they were the best of times&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/02/affirmative-action-failed/#comment-2773</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Define questionable in the context of SSU&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Churchill&#039;s critics have charged (and their charges have never been rebutted) that Churchill&#039;s BA and MA from Sangamon State in Illinois entailed almost no course work and very little studying. 

SSU was an alternative-education experiment before becoming U of I-Springfield.

From &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dennisfox.net/uis/state-agent.html&quot;&gt;Radical University&lt;/a&gt;&quot; to Handmaiden of the Corporate State:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1970 Sangamon State University, the smallest of Illinois&#039; 12 state universities, was a different kind of place. Many students were not graded, for example, but received individualized evaluations instead. There were no large classes. No deans or department chairs--in fact, no departments. Interdisciplinary courses were the norm. Faculty were hired for their interest in teaching--without teaching assistants--and had no publish-or-perish requirement. SSU was designated &quot;the public affairs university of Illinois&quot; at a time when public affairs, for many of the faculty at least, meant opposing the war in Vietnam and devising alternatives to mainstream institutions. It was an upper-division institution designed for older students transferring in from community colleges and traditional four-year institutions less suited to their needs; the average age of undergraduates was over 30. Faculty and students who were around at the time describe those days with obvious affection.

In the interests of truth in advertising, though, SSU might more accurately have been deemed a university with at best radical potential and at worst radical pretensions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Define questionable in the context of SSU</p></blockquote>
<p>Churchill&#8217;s critics have charged (and their charges have never been rebutted) that Churchill&#8217;s BA and MA from Sangamon State in Illinois entailed almost no course work and very little studying. </p>
<p>SSU was an alternative-education experiment before becoming U of I-Springfield.</p>
<p>From &#8220;<a href="http://www.dennisfox.net/uis/state-agent.html">Radical University</a>&#8221; to Handmaiden of the Corporate State:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1970 Sangamon State University, the smallest of Illinois&#8217; 12 state universities, was a different kind of place. Many students were not graded, for example, but received individualized evaluations instead. There were no large classes. No deans or department chairs&#8211;in fact, no departments. Interdisciplinary courses were the norm. Faculty were hired for their interest in teaching&#8211;without teaching assistants&#8211;and had no publish-or-perish requirement. SSU was designated &#8220;the public affairs university of Illinois&#8221; at a time when public affairs, for many of the faculty at least, meant opposing the war in Vietnam and devising alternatives to mainstream institutions. It was an upper-division institution designed for older students transferring in from community colleges and traditional four-year institutions less suited to their needs; the average age of undergraduates was over 30. Faculty and students who were around at the time describe those days with obvious affection.</p>
<p>In the interests of truth in advertising, though, SSU might more accurately have been deemed a university with at best radical potential and at worst radical pretensions.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/02/affirmative-action-failed/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &#039;anonymous&#039;, you are a coward. Which probably also makes you a democrat.

But I&#039;ll humor you: what part of my argument against Churchill do you refute?  What about Ward Churchill are you prepared to stand behind? Publicly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8216;anonymous&#8217;, you are a coward. Which probably also makes you a democrat.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll humor you: what part of my argument against Churchill do you refute?  What about Ward Churchill are you prepared to stand behind? Publicly.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/02/affirmative-action-failed/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are a dumb ass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are a dumb ass</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Bender</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/02/affirmative-action-failed/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must...not...respond....damn...I keep this up and I&#039;m going to be called political....yeeck!

Define questionable in the context of SSU.  It&#039;s a small university, now called U of Illinois-Springfield, that specializes in graduate-level programs.  Until like &#039;95 when the U of I gobbled it up, it was solely a senior college, offering 3000 and 4000 level classes (or above) only (a Bachelor&#039;s involved transferring credits in from elsewhere).

Too much SSU history I know....Sorry.  Grew up in Springfield, Dad received his MPA from SSU.  It ain&#039;t UT-Austin or Harvard, but it ain&#039;t the &quot;Assemblies of God&quot; college in Florida (which was granting credits to college athletes like they were on clearance) or U of Phoenix Online.

Such a person like Churchill working a CU however is such a fit, given their recent histories.  I wonder if he ever played in Neuheisel&#039;s NCAA pool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must&#8230;not&#8230;respond&#8230;.damn&#8230;I keep this up and I&#8217;m going to be called political&#8230;.yeeck!</p>
<p>Define questionable in the context of SSU.  It&#8217;s a small university, now called U of Illinois-Springfield, that specializes in graduate-level programs.  Until like &#8217;95 when the U of I gobbled it up, it was solely a senior college, offering 3000 and 4000 level classes (or above) only (a Bachelor&#8217;s involved transferring credits in from elsewhere).</p>
<p>Too much SSU history I know&#8230;.Sorry.  Grew up in Springfield, Dad received his MPA from SSU.  It ain&#8217;t UT-Austin or Harvard, but it ain&#8217;t the &#8220;Assemblies of God&#8221; college in Florida (which was granting credits to college athletes like they were on clearance) or U of Phoenix Online.</p>
<p>Such a person like Churchill working a CU however is such a fit, given their recent histories.  I wonder if he ever played in Neuheisel&#8217;s NCAA pool.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/02/affirmative-action-failed/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it Travis. Do you remember &lt;a href=&quot;http://urbangrounds.com/2004/11/03/sea-of-red/&quot;&gt;this map&lt;/a&gt;?
&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.urbangrounds.com/images/2004countymap.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Red Map&quot; /&gt;

That little dot of blue in the middle of Texas? Yep. That would be Austin.

There&#039;s more absurd, off-the-wall Liberalism running amok on our campus than there is at a Democratic happy hour hosted by Teddy Kennedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it Travis. Do you remember <a href="http://urbangrounds.com/2004/11/03/sea-of-red/">this map</a>?<br />
<img src="http://www.urbangrounds.com/images/2004countymap.gif" alt="Red Map" /></p>
<p>That little dot of blue in the middle of Texas? Yep. That would be Austin.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more absurd, off-the-wall Liberalism running amok on our campus than there is at a Democratic happy hour hosted by Teddy Kennedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Fell</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/02/affirmative-action-failed/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Fell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope some of Austin&#039;s academic aristocrats are listening! 

Keep up the good work!
T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope some of Austin&#8217;s academic aristocrats are listening! </p>
<p>Keep up the good work!<br />
T</p>
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