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	<title>Comments on: Senator Kerry: Looking for Tales of Hardship</title>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-3136</link>
		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, heard on tv yesterday that GM is in such bad straights, there is talk they may ask for a government bail-out like the airlines got..well just talk right now but if it happens, I will personally get involved in protesting this one..I can&#039;t even imagine the justification for the U.S. taxpayer, yeah, including those who work at Walmart, to pay for the sensational wage and benefit package of the GM worker.

On the flip side, your assailment of Walmart as a freeloader is unjustified.   How many companies do you know that even &quot;offer&quot; health insurance to part-time workers?  If you work part-time for my city, you don&#039;t get benefits.  If you work part-time for the drug company I worked for, you don&#039;t get benefits.   I bet the number of employers who don&#039;t provide benefits to part-time workers far outnumber those that do. That&#039;s where the majority of uninsureds come from at Walmart. They CHOOSE to work part-time and have to wait 2 years for benefits.  Furthermore, Walmart pays 2/3 of the premium of its workers.  That&#039;s pretty dang good Preston.  Yeah some companies pay more of the premium, but a heck of a lot don&#039;t and a lot of small companies don&#039;t even offer health insurance to full-time employees.  Furthermore, take a look at what retirees pay for medicare and supplemental medicare policies..I&#039;d bet you my last dollar on a comparison basis they pay a bigger percentage out of their SS income for  health insurance premiums than the guy who works at Walmart. 

I have no particular reason to care about Walmart or GM.  I pay $2160 a year for my health insurance offered via my former company (a drug company at that). I&#039;m glad to get it.  It&#039;s not cheap, but my company doesn&#039;t even have to offer it to their retirees, especially their early retirees.  

None of this solves the health care insurance crisis in this country.  I just think you better take a broader look at the &quot;system&quot; and who you condemn before you bite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, heard on tv yesterday that GM is in such bad straights, there is talk they may ask for a government bail-out like the airlines got..well just talk right now but if it happens, I will personally get involved in protesting this one..I can&#8217;t even imagine the justification for the U.S. taxpayer, yeah, including those who work at Walmart, to pay for the sensational wage and benefit package of the GM worker.</p>
<p>On the flip side, your assailment of Walmart as a freeloader is unjustified.   How many companies do you know that even &#8220;offer&#8221; health insurance to part-time workers?  If you work part-time for my city, you don&#8217;t get benefits.  If you work part-time for the drug company I worked for, you don&#8217;t get benefits.   I bet the number of employers who don&#8217;t provide benefits to part-time workers far outnumber those that do. That&#8217;s where the majority of uninsureds come from at Walmart. They CHOOSE to work part-time and have to wait 2 years for benefits.  Furthermore, Walmart pays 2/3 of the premium of its workers.  That&#8217;s pretty dang good Preston.  Yeah some companies pay more of the premium, but a heck of a lot don&#8217;t and a lot of small companies don&#8217;t even offer health insurance to full-time employees.  Furthermore, take a look at what retirees pay for medicare and supplemental medicare policies..I&#8217;d bet you my last dollar on a comparison basis they pay a bigger percentage out of their SS income for  health insurance premiums than the guy who works at Walmart. </p>
<p>I have no particular reason to care about Walmart or GM.  I pay $2160 a year for my health insurance offered via my former company (a drug company at that). I&#8217;m glad to get it.  It&#8217;s not cheap, but my company doesn&#8217;t even have to offer it to their retirees, especially their early retirees.  </p>
<p>None of this solves the health care insurance crisis in this country.  I just think you better take a broader look at the &#8220;system&#8221; and who you condemn before you bite.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-3119</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I agree, I&#039;d rather have a system that is individually financed- it feels right to make people pay their own ways.  However, I refuse to remain tethered to a broken system simply because of ideological rigidity.  

We used to fund our fire protection individually: you would pay a fire company and they would come to your rescue if your house caught fire (and you had paid your dues...).  Eventually, we realized it was not only immoral to stand there and watch your neighbor&#039;s house burn down- it actually threatened the whole community.  So now each community shares the burden.

Similarly, our current system is expensive and ineffective judging by life expectancy and infant mortality.  People who can&#039;t afford insurance and have jobs that don&#039;t provide it (1 million Wal-Mart employees, for example) then get sick more frequently and burden emergency rooms that are not intended for that use- expenses the rest of us pay both monetarily and through increased disease in our communities.

I don&#039;t think the French model or the Canadian model are necessary best for the US- let us figure out what works.  Maybe each state is allowed to experiment.  But I feel that companies like GM that are doing right by their employees are being punished by the current system while freeloaders like Wal-Mart are subsidized by Medicaid and your local hospital emergency room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I agree, I&#8217;d rather have a system that is individually financed- it feels right to make people pay their own ways.  However, I refuse to remain tethered to a broken system simply because of ideological rigidity.  </p>
<p>We used to fund our fire protection individually: you would pay a fire company and they would come to your rescue if your house caught fire (and you had paid your dues&#8230;).  Eventually, we realized it was not only immoral to stand there and watch your neighbor&#8217;s house burn down- it actually threatened the whole community.  So now each community shares the burden.</p>
<p>Similarly, our current system is expensive and ineffective judging by life expectancy and infant mortality.  People who can&#8217;t afford insurance and have jobs that don&#8217;t provide it (1 million Wal-Mart employees, for example) then get sick more frequently and burden emergency rooms that are not intended for that use- expenses the rest of us pay both monetarily and through increased disease in our communities.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the French model or the Canadian model are necessary best for the US- let us figure out what works.  Maybe each state is allowed to experiment.  But I feel that companies like GM that are doing right by their employees are being punished by the current system while freeloaders like Wal-Mart are subsidized by Medicaid and your local hospital emergency room.</p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-3114</link>
		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what do you suggest Preston?  A multi-billion dollar system that&#039;s a lead weight on the taxpayer...or perhaps just a multi-billion dollar system on the taxpayer who works his guts out and everybody else gets a free ride? That&#039;s what socialists want...they want the system to take care of them..course their definition of system is everybody but me.  I will never support a system like that.  I support a national health care system but one that covers everybody who is willing and able to roll up their sleeves and put in a decent day&#039;s work, pays taxes and contributes to society.  And for those who can&#039;t, well we already take care of them and for those who won&#039;t, well then too damn bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what do you suggest Preston?  A multi-billion dollar system that&#8217;s a lead weight on the taxpayer&#8230;or perhaps just a multi-billion dollar system on the taxpayer who works his guts out and everybody else gets a free ride? That&#8217;s what socialists want&#8230;they want the system to take care of them..course their definition of system is everybody but me.  I will never support a system like that.  I support a national health care system but one that covers everybody who is willing and able to roll up their sleeves and put in a decent day&#8217;s work, pays taxes and contributes to society.  And for those who can&#8217;t, well we already take care of them and for those who won&#8217;t, well then too damn bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-3103</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wrong- GM spends over 5 Billion on health care for it&#039;s employees.  
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20050419-1351-earns-gm.html

The current system is like a lead weight on American companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wrong- GM spends over 5 Billion on health care for it&#8217;s employees.<br />
<a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20050419-1351-earns-gm.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20050419-1351-earns-gm.html</a></p>
<p>The current system is like a lead weight on American companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-3085</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously?  That&#039;s exactly what we have now!  The fact is that despite the &quot;best healthcare in the world&quot; we rank at around 15 of 20 industrialized nations in terms of life expectancy and infant mortality despite paying far more than other countries.  Furthermore, people are just happier with their healthcare service in other countries.  (and people in this country with some form of centralized care: VA, Medicare, Medicaid are happier with their care than the rest of us.)  I&#039;m not sure why we&#039;re so afraid that we&#039;re unwilling to experiement with other systems.

Something has to be done about a system that allows 40 million people to roll the dice with their health and go without health insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously?  That&#8217;s exactly what we have now!  The fact is that despite the &#8220;best healthcare in the world&#8221; we rank at around 15 of 20 industrialized nations in terms of life expectancy and infant mortality despite paying far more than other countries.  Furthermore, people are just happier with their healthcare service in other countries.  (and people in this country with some form of centralized care: VA, Medicare, Medicaid are happier with their care than the rest of us.)  I&#8217;m not sure why we&#8217;re so afraid that we&#8217;re unwilling to experiement with other systems.</p>
<p>Something has to be done about a system that allows 40 million people to roll the dice with their health and go without health insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-3082</link>
		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gm&#039;s plan is the best of the best.  VA is not even close.  Look at the plan Congress has.  This is what Kerry was proposing but not for everybody. He knew it was not affordable for everybody but he wouldn&#039;t say that.  If we go to National Health Insurance in this country, some people are going to get inferior care.   Survival of the fittest will be the rule.  Maybe that&#039;s just what we should accept.  Nobody lives forever.  But if it&#039;s your kid?  Let&#039;s face it...nothing will be good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gm&#8217;s plan is the best of the best.  VA is not even close.  Look at the plan Congress has.  This is what Kerry was proposing but not for everybody. He knew it was not affordable for everybody but he wouldn&#8217;t say that.  If we go to National Health Insurance in this country, some people are going to get inferior care.   Survival of the fittest will be the rule.  Maybe that&#8217;s just what we should accept.  Nobody lives forever.  But if it&#8217;s your kid?  Let&#8217;s face it&#8230;nothing will be good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-2716</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see if the VA is able to help provide greater wellness care.  The problem with the current insurance system is that any investment they make in improving the health of their customers is likely to benefit another- lower overhead- insurance company.   

I&#039;m as nervous as you about allowing a single governmental agency run health services but the VA could provide an interesting example about a better way to run health care in this country.  It&#039;s clear that our current system is allowing millions to fall through the cracks while putting an unsustainable burden on American companies (GM reportedly spends over 1 Billion dollars on health care).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see if the VA is able to help provide greater wellness care.  The problem with the current insurance system is that any investment they make in improving the health of their customers is likely to benefit another- lower overhead- insurance company.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m as nervous as you about allowing a single governmental agency run health services but the VA could provide an interesting example about a better way to run health care in this country.  It&#8217;s clear that our current system is allowing millions to fall through the cracks while putting an unsustainable burden on American companies (GM reportedly spends over 1 Billion dollars on health care).</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-2710</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can count me in that 80% of satisfied VA customers.

The VA does move slowly; much more slowly than similar services in the private sector.

But I&#039;v always received great service, care, and treatment from every sector of the VA system I&#039;ve worked through (medical treatment, disability benefits, educational benefits, and insurance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can count me in that 80% of satisfied VA customers.</p>
<p>The VA does move slowly; much more slowly than similar services in the private sector.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;v always received great service, care, and treatment from every sector of the VA system I&#8217;ve worked through (medical treatment, disability benefits, educational benefits, and insurance).</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-2709</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry that your father had a bad experience with the VA but I&#039;m impressed by the numbers of satisfied &#039;customers&#039;- some 80%.  

I agree that we will benefit from a short window of opportunity before Vietnam Veterans begin the ends of their lives- that&#039;s why I feel that it&#039;s incumbent on the government to address these problems now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that your father had a bad experience with the VA but I&#8217;m impressed by the numbers of satisfied &#8216;customers&#8217;- some 80%.  </p>
<p>I agree that we will benefit from a short window of opportunity before Vietnam Veterans begin the ends of their lives- that&#8217;s why I feel that it&#8217;s incumbent on the government to address these problems now.</p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2005/04/kerry-hardship-tales/#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy I sounded angry last night...prolly was that 3rd glass of wine..sorry...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy I sounded angry last night&#8230;prolly was that 3rd glass of wine..sorry&#8230;lol</p>
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