David Martinez is the next inmate scheduled for execution in Texas, on July 28th, 2005.
Martinez is being executed for the July 1997 murder of 24-year-old Kiersa Paul in Austin, TX. Paul’s body was found on a hike and bike trail in a park in Austin. She had been sexually assaulted, strangled, and her throat had been cut with a pocket knife.
Amnesty International is, of course, opposing the execution. And, as they usually do, they are acting as Chief-Apologist for Martinez’s murderous behavior.
On what grounds does Amnesty oppose the execution of Martinez? Well, because it’s not his fault. In Amnesty’s world, Martinez is the victim (of his upbringing):
According to his lawyers, David Martinez suffered abuse and neglect as a child: his parents divorced after his father announced that he was gay, and David went to live with his mother.
Oh, now I get it—because his parents were divorced and one of them was gay, he can’t possibly be held accountable for his actions.
All he really needs is a big hug and for Dr. Sean Maguire to tell him, “It’s not your fault”, and then send him on his way.
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MORE:
- The NCADP also thinks Martinez should be spared because he comes from a “troubled background”.
- And the moonbats at Progressive Austin are planning a Protest at the Governor’s mansion on the night of the execution. What excuse for murder does Progressive Austin offer? Dire poverty and homelessness.
Afterwards, the “progressives” will make a quarter-mile protest march to the Texas Chili Parlor for a large XX-Frito pie and some cold Shiner beer whilst they discuss the next “outrage” they can picket.
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I was David Martinez’s high school algebra teacher. He was a jovial, big-hearted teddy bear of a young man during the fall semester. He brought so much joy and humor to my class. He had lots of charisma. And then things changed: He showed signs of increasing fatigue and moodiness. His girlfriend broke up with him. I asked him what was wrong and he told me that his dad, Ray Martinez had become gay and taken a gay lover, Evan Muller. The two engaged more and more in an increasingly violent S&M lifestyle. David would say he lost sleep due to his two dads’ loud sex, their screaming from pain, and their violent and bloody fighting. Many were the nights that his dad Ray or the lover, Evan, would have to be taken to the E.R. because the injuries became too serious to be handled at home. The two lovers then opened a business in their home that made leather S&M clothing and torture items and wooden torture beds.
But an even bigger change came over David a few months into that trying time. He became angry, bitter, and rebelious. He shaved his head. He started going by the name “Wolf.” When I asked him what had happened, he told me the most horrific story. His father, Ray Martinez, and Ray’s lover, Evan Muller had savagedly raped him. David was 16 years old.
So what? He was abused horribly as a kid. That’s sad and tragic. It is not an excuse or a get out of jail free card to kill someone else. Life is not a trade-off where, if something evil happens to you, you get to inflict an equal or greater evil on someone else just to “even things out”.
I am sad for David that he had to endure those things. I truly am. I’m not sorry that he will be put to death tomorrow for killing 24-year-old Kiersa Paul.
David should have killed his father, not my friend…
Hey Robbie. In Texas, aren’t teachers required by law to report any evidence of child abuse to the police? Hell, even if I weren’t required to do so, I would do it immediately. Yet, this person who claims to be his teacher makes no mention about it at all. When are these anti death penalty people ever going to learn that lying does not help their cause?
I can’t begin to imagine what was going on in David’s head when he brutally killed Kiersa. It is beyond my comprehension because all I see when I think of David is his big bear hugs and smiles as we met in the halls of Johnston H.S. I think of the cruelty in his own family, a victim himself, how it must have felt to be hurt by those who said they loved him. Maybe he played out his own life story when he destroyed the life of another. Will we ever know?
I believe that in execution we are saying we have given up hope and that there is nothing else we can do for/with/to this individual except get them permanently out of our sight. Execution is the fast and easy way to end it all, hoping I guess, to also quickly and easily forget that he ever exsisted, that Kiersa’s life ended so tragically, and maybe to help us feel safe again. But none of that will happen.
Kiersa’s memory will never end that easily, nor the pain associated with her death. Neither will the memory of David and the pain associated with his life. Two people’s lives destroyed because we couldn’t think of anything else to do for/with/ or to David, except to kill him.
And we won’t feel safer! There will be another David and Kiersa tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, because we can’t think of anything else to do for/with/or to him…except kill him.
In reaching out to David, perhaps both lives would have been spared.
We will never know. For most who read about the horrific event, they will probably say “good riddance to him” and/or “my prayers go out to Kiersa’s family and friends”, or both.
My parting response: I’m so sorry I couldn’t have reached David. I’m sorry for him, for Kiersa, and for myself. Everyone looses. No good memories here…well, except for the smiles and hugs from David, and the huge heart and radiating joy from Kiersa, and promises of what might have been if we could have found something to do for/with/to that troubled youth, besides waiting for him to kill someone else, and then we kill him.
Do you see a pattern? 1-4-David
I’ve been a proponent of the death penalty for years. I knew Kiersa in high school and didn’t know until now that she had been murdered.
I’m glad I was on the proper side of capital punishment from the get go.
The abuse charges were never substantiated. Except by our anonymous poster, who never reported them, and never testified at trial. How odd. So odd, I would dare say it is, cough, a lie.
And, Ms. Paul “reached out” to him, remember? And for her act of kindness she was raped, strangled, her throat cut 8 times, and an X carved in her chest. And knock off the “we†crap. It’s you, not we. The majority of people will feel no pain over the execution of Martinez.
Robbie,
I just ran across your site and wanted to congradulate you on your success with it- catchy layout, friendly to navigate – nice work.
Before continuing, I want to point out that I am not some liberal pacifist type…hell, I am not even non violent. I would like to think that if I had been there that night and had the oppurtunity, I personally would have killed David Martinez, IF it would have saved the life of Kiersa Paul. But that isnt the case. In fact, no one was there to save her.
And I would also like to point out, that no matter how screwed up of a childhood or how kind Mr. Martinez was in math class, he is a convicted rapist and a killer. And I think he no longer has a place in our non-incarcerated (I hesitate to use the word “free”) society.
Now having said this, I must also say that I can find no purpose in killing Martinez today. Why let him off that easy for one, but secondly, what is gained?
IF in 1997 they would have sentenced him to “from now on”- the family of Ms. Paul could have gained some sort of closure then, instead of having to wait 8 years for another chapter to play out.
ALSO I find it odd that so many people here are so PRO capital punishment in every instance. I mean do any of you ever see a case where you “woa…. this one looks a little seketchy in light of …..”?
And then, do you all just think Texans need to be killed at a wildly higher rate than other states? Or is it just a case of all those other states are not doing enough killing? Is it possible that our laws and practices here are a little out of step with, ….well the rest of the globe. Do any of you see this?
Have any of you ever witnessed a TDCJ execution?
Too bad Texas didnt invest all this time and energy into being number one in education. Oh well, at least we have the “Walls” Unit.
By all means , Sound Off!
Eric S. Thompson
Red…nice to hear from you, buddy! Long time no see or hear…
Thanks for your insights, too. I can appreciate what you’re saying and where you’re coming from.
You asked:
Not only do I acknowledge that the rate and practice of executions in Texas is increasingly out-of-step with the common practices of the rest of the world—but I fully expect that Texas is not too far from abandoning the Death Penalty all together.
I support the harshest punishment legally allowable for all capital crimes. Currently, the harshest penalty allowed by our state is the death penalty, so I support it.
But I would also support even harsher penalties than a needle to the arm. If we were allowed to beat child rapers to death with a baseball bat…that’s what I would support.
When the death penalty is eventually abandoned, I’ll support whatever the ‘harshest’ penalty that is then allowed.
But I’ll continue to hope that these men—the truly evil amongst us—are living in hell while they are incarcerated, and that sooner — rather than later — they’ll be stabbed or beaten to death by another inmate.
. . . I want to point out that I am not some liberal pacifist type…
Okay.
, I must also say that I can find no purpose in killing Martinez today. Why let him off that easy for one, but secondly , What is gained?
First, if execution was “let[ting] him off easy†there wouldn’t be so much effort in fighting the death penalty. Second, what is gained is justice and the enforcement of our laws.
IF in 1997 they would have sentenced him to “from now onâ€- the family of Ms. Paul could have gained some sort of closure then, instead of having to wait 8 years for another chapter to play out.
If the system wasn’t abused by the anti-dp crowd, they wouldn’t have to have waited eight years. Furthermore, it’s a bit offensive for you to presume what the family of a victim will or will not feel.
ALSO I find it odd that so many people here are so PRO capital punishment in every instance. I mean do any of you ever see a case where you “woa…. this one looks a little sketchy in light of …..�
There are a lot less people pro capital punishment in every instance here than there are people who are totally opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances. By the time execution is imminent there is nothing sketchy at all. It may appear that way to people who have done nothing but read some blurb off the internet by those who oppose to capital punishment. However, those who have taken the time to read and understand the opinions, the briefs, the writs, and Texas criminal procedure no it is not “sketchy” at all.
And then, do you all just think Texans need to be killed at a wildly higher rate than other states? or is it jsu t a case of all those other states are not doing enough killing? Is it possible that our laws and practices here are a little out of step with, ….well the rest of the globe.
It’s a combination of several factors. One, Texas is a large state, therefore, proportionally it should have more executions. Two, the other states are not carrying out their laws. If Texas is out of step with other states, it does not make Texas wrong. The fact that you write out of step with, ….well the rest of the globe belies your previous statement that you are not a liberal pacifist type.
Have any of you ever witnessed a TDCJ execution ?
Have you witnessed a brutal rape and murder?
Too bad Texas didnt invest all this time and energy into being number one in education.
Well every one has their way of bettering the world. Good luck with improving the education system. I salute you.
You say:
One, Texas is a large state, therefore, proportionally it should have more executions. Two, the other states are not carrying out their laws. If Texas is out of step with other states, it does not make Texas wrong.
First, there are other states with populations larger than Texas. Therefore proportionately Texas should not have more executions. Second, there are a lot of states which have abolished the death penalty – as have most democratic countries in the world. How can you claim that they “are not carrying out their laws” by refusing to kill offenders? Third, if Texas is out of step with other states, then either Texas is wrong or it is undemocratic.
Oh, brother. This is what I hate about these arguments, one side is either lying or ignorant (you) and the other side ends up doing all the work (me).
1. Go look up the census and get back to me.
2. Did I really have to distinguish for you the states that do have capital punishment are not enforcing their laws as opposed to the states that do not have capital punishment are not enforcing capital punishment?
3. Texas is not out of step with other states, other states are out of step with Texas. Nevertheless, I do believe the citizens of states have the right to pass their own laws. IOW, those states that have abolished capital punishment have the right to do so and Texas, who has not, also has the right to do so. That is democracy – not your lame comparison to other states and, gasp, other countries.
Thank you, 2. Well said, and on-point.
Thanks, JM. It’s over now.
I did not know Mr. Martinez, nor did I know Ms. Paul. I do have a dear friend that knew them both. I feel for her, as I feel for Mr. Martinez, Ms. Paul and their families. I feel for the people who believe in an eye for an eye, for a government that believes death is a viable punishment and for those that believe a life should never be the price paid.
I cannot sit here with any confidence and state that Mr. Martinez acted because of trauma experienced in his youth. However, obviously there are those that knew him and saw drastic changes occur as he grew to young adulthood. As a therapist, I can assure you those changes don’t happen without fuel. Statistics will show with certainty, an astounding number of cases in which children were physically, psychologically or emotionally abused and traumatized. Sadly, this still occurs on a daily basis across this nation. To some degree, their actions as adults have a direct correlation to what happened to them as children.
I see this all the time, and it never gets easier to work with these individuals whom have sustained such emotional and psychological abuse. The human psyche can only endur so much, before it breaks. I understand that Mr. Martinez must be held responsible for his actions, however I also believe that one cannot negate the possibility that he truly was a victim himself. This is not to excuse, but perhaps provide some explanation of how he got to the point of committing murder and rape.
Many children punish themselves. Many children commit suicide. Many children are pushed beyond the realm of sanity and for whatever reason punish others for their victimization. Is it right? Is it excusable? No. However neither is glorifying his death.
1-4-David – I understand your turmoil my friend, and I understand your sorrow.
Misch
1-4-David – I understand your turmoil my friend, and I understand your sorrow.
Misch
Allow me to play the teeniest weeniest violin for you both.
No a la pena de muerte. Es cosa de monstruos. Es otro asesinato.
No — la pena de muerte no es otro asesinato. La pena de muerte es justicia. Y la única cosa monsterous sobre la pena de muerte, es que quita a monstruo verdadero de sociedad.
En este caso, David Martinez.
[...] David Martinez was pronounced dead at 6:17 p.m. last night, eight minutes after the lethal drugs began flowing into his veins. [...]
I had a “horrific” childhood, too – including my mother’s suicide, getting tossed around the country, living in abject poverty, witnessing drug use and domestic violence. I was finally sent to live with an aunt and uncle who adopted me at the age of 11. Despite the Hollywood version of such a story, the reality wasn’t much better after my adoption. I was treated like dirt – nothing more than an indentured servant – because, you know, I “owed” them for rescuing me. There was some mild physical abuse; slapping, pushing, that sort of thing – mostly it was mental. Even after the adoption, I did 2 stints in foster care because they just “couldn’t handle me.”
Ironically, I wasn’t a “bad girl.” I made decent grades in school, didn’t do drugs, was never in trouble with the law. Hell, I didn’t even date. I simply wasn’t all that cooperative with their horrible treatment, that’s all. At 17, they sent me to an adolescent psychiatric lockdown facility – which, thank God, only lasted two weeks. Despite the fact that I was supposed to be a “long-term patient”, my uncle’s insurance refused to pay for more than two weeks stay, so I was sprung. I spent my senior year of high school in a foster home and a new school. My foster parents were fantastic (more like an older brother and sister, since they were only 10-12 years older than me), and I had ONE happy year while growing up.
I never spend another night under my aunt and uncle’s roof. I found out at the age of 26 from a relative that my aunt had claimed I pulled a knife on her and that’s why I was suddenly sent to the psychiatric facility. I never knew. I thought it was because I defended myself for the FIRST TIME during a fight and hit her back. That was the paramount no-no at their home. You got hit – you just stood there and took it.
I confronted my uncle and told him that I hadn’t pulled any knife on my aunt. For heaven’s sake, that final fight took place outside of a bathroom I had been cleaning! The worse that happened was that I threw a bottle of Soft Scrub at her. My uncle didn’t believe me, of course. I drove away and never looked back.
It’s been 15 years since that conversation with my uncle and I’ve never spoken another word to him or my aunt. They are dead to me.
Sorry for the long-winded story, but my point is that millions of people have endured a horrible childhood. An anomalous few go on to vent their murderous rage on innocent people. There can be NO excuse for what they do. The damage they cause is so hideous that they MUST pay the ultimate price. Frankly, I don’t particularly care if it’s the death penalty or life in prison w/o parole – but they can NEVER be free again. Society cannot be the testing ground for these people – or, I should say, monsters.
Instead of studying murderers like Martinez, how about studying those who had equally abusive childhoods and DON’T become deviants? Why don’t they go on to rape and kill? Maybe we’d be better off identifying the characteristics of THOSE people instead.
I also advocate re-establishing a government-sponsored Boys & Girls Town-like system for children/adolescents of homes such as Martinez’s. It would be a system where the emphasis is on calm and order, establishing coping- and life skills, and completing one’s education. After-care would have to be a massive part of such a system. (For those of you concerned about the cost – I believe it would PALE in comparison to what we spend now in foster care, social services, and subsequent societal damage.)
As for David Martinez? I shed no tears on his behalf. He took an innocent’s life and he paid with his own. C’est la vie. My heart breaks for the family/friends of his victim, however.
I would love, though, to have a word with BOTH of Martinez’s parents – and I don’t think they would like what I’d have to say.
I knew David from working at Johnston Hight School> I will always remember as what the others have described him as…a big teddy bear always ready with a smile and hug. I will miss him and am so sorry that we lost two young people in 1997. My heart and prayers to both families.
Why don’t you remember him the way Kiersa Paul will remember him through out eternity? You know, knocking her down, dragging her into the bushes, and punching her repeatedly in the head, face, breasts and stomach.
Maybe, while he was brutally raping and sodomizing her, he gave her one of those famous smiles you people like to talk about. I know he gave her one of those great big teddy bear hugs, you people remember so fondly, around her neck. But, not so much as to actually kill her. Oh, no, he wanted her alive so he could both prolong her suffering and to experience how it felt when he slit her throat. Afterwards, he carved an X in her chest and then rode home on her bike.
He didn’t even have the decency to apologize for murdering Kiersa Paul and to her family for causing their endless suffering before he died.
So, please, don’t tell me about your sorrow for his lost. His execution only prevented other women from being tortured, raped and murdered.
I went to Johnston High School with David (Dallas we all called him), and knew him. He used to share music with me and we acted together in theater class. I did not know Kiersa. Dallas was an incredibly troubled kid, I remember, but no degree of abuse can excuse or explain murder.
Yet, for forgiveness to have meaning, I think we have to extend it to the unforgivable. Dallas could have been incarcerated without parole for the rest of his life; as a matter of policy, that would have protected women just as well as his death. To be a compassionate society, we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard, and extend compassion to all, even those who violate everything we hold dear.
Uh, who was talking about forgiving Martinez? Not, I. If he wants forgiveness, he can ask Kiersa Paul. And no, we do not have to extend compassion to those who do not deserve it. And what I hold dear is the life of Kiersa Paul and other victims who did not deserve to die in such a horrible horrible manner. Any time you and others get teary eyed over Martinez, think about the last 30 minutes of Kiersa Paul’s life and what was going through her mind. Put yourself or your love ones in her place. Feel her pain, feel her fear. Unlike Martinez, she was not given a sedative and general anesthesia. And, if you are suggesting that his sentence be reduced to lwop, as a matter of law that could not happen.
One more thing, enough of this we business. We shd have done this, we shd of done that, we as a society, blah blah blah. The only “we” are people who claim to have known him, claim to have seen signs of trouble, and did nothing. It was YOU, not we, who did nothing. You want to blame somebody, look right in the mirror.
Well said 2. Its so easy for people to say oh you should let him go, he doesn’t deserve the death penalty, etc, when it doesn’t happen to a loved one. The people who think he is a “teddy bear” and shouldn’t have been executed should think about how they would feel had he done that to their mother, wife, sister, etc.
I think we as a society are already being very kind by using lethal injection (and prior sedation) as punishment. If it were truly an eye for an eye, he would’ve been raped and sodomized with a stick and then had his throat slit as well. So it is already a lesser punishment than what they deserve.
Good riddance.
To those who wanted to reach out to David…
I was in the same cell block with him in 1997-1998, in Travis County.
We talked at length. And rest assured, he was incorrigible.
He expressed no remorse for his crime, and really couldn’t wait to get back out into society.
He had supposedly worked out a deal with Satan and was not worried about execution.
So…no need to feel sorry for him!
That said, maybe we can all think about the poor girl he raped, tortured, and killed, and her family, and reach out to THEM.
I come from the uk,Here we have a amazing legal system,Firstly their are 432 support groups for those that commit any offence,And just one for the victims.
I was bullied as child,lived with no affection from my mother,went through childhood feeling unwanted,unloved,Had a son who died at 6 months of age who died.I am now also disabled,And been fighting depression for over 10yrs.
Do i have pent up frustration,anger,hatred-You bet i do,Do i go and kill,rape some1,no.But in america you know the puishment before you commit the crime,sO once you have been found guilty,their should be no argument-Also David Martinez has actully waived his rights to his appeals.
My main reason also for posting on this site is,Their are many who are on death row,who are not guilty,And whats worrying the states no this,Yet in the last 10years the us has executed 29 people who they knew to be innocent.Their is a classic case at the moment troy davis,Since being found guilty, the police have since admitted the forced a confession out of him,That 7 of the witnessness were bullied to find him guilty,No evidence,weapon,dna of troy davis at the scene been found,Another man who has since confessed,and who dna evidence is at the scene,And despite all that,And global support,looks like the state still going to execute him.Its to late to save those who were innocent and have been executed,but trust me their are many on death row-If any of you want more info email me at [email protected] might be pro death pen,but surly not the exection of the innocent.
Rip David
Wrong Martinez; this guy didn’t wave his appeals.
No, there are not many on death row who are not guilty. No, we have not executed 29 people who we knew were innocent. What a bunch of crap! We haven’t excuted anyone who was innocent.
Troy Davis is as guilty as sin. No one else confessed. There were no forced confessions and no bullied witnesses. And no exculpatory dna evidence.
Paul, you are either a liar or stupid. Either way, find a new hobby.
Yes you are right to point out that this site make reference to an earlier execution of a man with the same name,And only after posting it did i realise
But to call me a lier or stupid,Lets get a few things straight, im of the opinion that if you know what the punishment is before you commit the murder, then u pay the price of the state as long as they get a fair trial
4 executions this year had media blackout until after the execution,why? because the state in question knew what an outcry there would be
Take the case of a scottish national, 20years on death row, exonerated,take the recent case of larry swearinghan, again stopped at the last minute, why? because the police had actully withheld evidence at his trial,and what was that evidence, that on the date of the murder he was already in prison on another offence.
I can go on and list you many-But lets answer the case of the one you make reference to Troy Davis, its not my opionion but facts.
That if you research the official documentation you will see it to be factual,1/ Another Man has confessed to the crime,Whos Dna is on the weapon and at the scene,No Dna of Troy Davis is their,7 of the 9 witnesses have since said they were bullied to say it was Troy who they saw
Their was a case in texas 2 years ago Kenneth foster,altough not an angel he was hours away from being executed for a none capital offence, yes fact none capital,_isnt that slighly illeagal.
You are probably one of those people, who say as long as some1 pays for the crime, not bothered if they are innocent.
while you have a judicial system that clearly favours the state, ie the state can have a top solicitor, and the accused a back street 1 with nowhere near as much money as the state has to defend,And cases like a white man on trial, judge black, jury all black, and the opposite for a black man.
This is not a rant, but can prove all that i have wrote and if you take the time to research any of the above you will find them factual.
yes the vast majority on death row deserve to be their and pay the price, but for those that are innocent, or biased trial the system is an ass,And it will contine to be so until their is an outcry for reform.
As i can prove what i have wrote,To call me a lier or stupid on a public message board is liable and will await your reply or email
Richey and Swearingen are both guilty. Richey was not exonerated, you fool, and he will end up killing a brit next. Good. Not our problem. Swearingen’s execution date will be reset. And, no, he was not in jail at the time of the murder. You can go on and on but all you are doing is copying and pasting crap you’ve read on antideath penalty sites. You immediately grasp onto what ever the defense says without reading and comprehending the the facts and the law. You antidp fools think reasonable doubt is merely a conflict in the evidence. It is not.
And you are the one who brought up that punk murderer Troy Davis, not me. Jeesh! These same stalling techniques are pulled out by the defense attys on almost every case. No one is impressed except the stupid people. Kenneth Foster’s sentence was commuted based on the argument his trial should have been severed from the codefendant – not because he was any less guilty of capital murder.
You are probably one of those people, who say as long as some1 pays for the crime, not bothered if they are innocent. Blow me. You are someone who doesn’t know shit from shinola. The public defenders are the most qualified and dedicated attys around. The defense bar is well organized and funded to aid in indigent defense.
Apparently you are a racist, too. We don’t pick jurors by race. The jury pool that the jurors are selected from must be representative of the racial makeup of that particular community. If a minority is excused from the jury it is because they are not qualified to serve.
You don’t know jack shit but are so arrogant you think you are qualified to lecture people. You are not. You’re callous, a liar, and stupid – stupidier than I originally thought, too.
To call me a lier or stupid on a public message board is liable and will await your reply or email
No, it’s not. And even if it were, as they say: the truth is the perfect defense.
Richey and Swearingen are both guilty. Richey was not exonerated, you fool. Swearingen’s execution date will be reset. And, no, he was not in jail at the time of the murder. You can go on and on but all you are doing is copying and pasting crap you’ve read on antideath penalty sites. You immediately grasp onto what ever the defense says without reading and comprehending the the facts and the law. You antidp fools think reasonable doubt is merely a conflict in the evidence. It is not.
And you are the one who brought up that punk murderer Troy Davis, not me. Jeesh! These same stalling techniques are pulled out by the defense attys on almost every case. No one is impressed except the stupid people. Kenneth Foster’s sentence was commuted based on the argument his trial should have been severed from the codefendant – not because he was any less guilty of capital murder.
You are probably one of those people, who say as long as some1 pays for the crime, not bothered if they are innocent. Blow me. You are someone who doesn’t know shit from shinola. The public defenders are the most qualified and dedicated attys around. The defense bar is well organized and funded to aid in indigent defense.
Apparently you are a racist, too. We don’t pick jurors by race. The jury pool that the jurors are selected from must be representative of the racial makeup of that particular community. If a minority is excused from the jury it is because they are not qualified to serve.
You don’t know jack shit but are so arrogant you think you are qualified to lecture people. You are not. You’re callous, a liar, and stupid – stupidier than I originally thought, too.
To call me a lier or stupid on a public message board is liable and will await your reply or email
No, it’s not. And even if it were, as they say: the truth is the perfect defense.
This is an example of making it up as you go along.
What could possibly exceed this as the epitome of idiocy?
I deign to ask.
I thought webboards were their for constructive comments-And if a person who sends in a post is wrong-To inform them of their error, not to send them a personal email slagging them off.
I am far from callous,nor im i a racist.And no i do not read or copy and paste things i have read on as you call biased of anti death pen sites.As i clearly stated in my last post i am in favour of the death pen,Not sure how clear i need to make that point. nobody is disputing the depth of legal representation is to all inclusive of prosecution and defence.
Since the reintroduction of the death pen in 1976, their has been well over one thousand executions,out of that large figure, only 3,yes three, have had a whole coloured judge/jury opposite to the accused, so i am agreeing with you over 1,200 and only 3, but my point is even if it was only 1,still should not have been allowed.
When i was making reference to kenneth foster, i clearly made the point he was no angel,the point i was trying to get across as being unfare is two others involved one of those the shooter,Got life,He got death pen,for being the least involved,so should have all recieved the same punishment weather that was life or death,not one punishment for 1 and another punishment for another
I totally agree with you their are many defence att who stall for time, looking at the slightest thing that may delay an execution. I never said that larry that larry swearingham was innocent,but by their over zelous actions of building a cast iron case against him entered wrong details of the approx time/date of the death of the victim.That does not mean he is innocent, in total agreement with you,just goes to show though that lets say he is guilty, they will not kill him, because of what the police did,They can use a resonable argument,that they have proved some of the police evidence is fictious, how can a judge relay on the other evidence,even if its trully genuine.
And the only put about foriegn nationals i was trying to make was, The us signed and international treaty agrreing that any forgien national in the us would be tried under us law,but be granted visits/advice from the counel of their birth,So you have a man rightly conviced of a brutal crime, and rightly given the death pen,But the state went against its own agreement to allow him his rights,So was all of europe causing an international lobby against the us, was canada,mexico and others and i mean their respective govenments, were they all wrong,were they all reading anti death pen sites,were they all callous or liers or stupid,No and why, because they had access to the official evidence, that the likes of myself nor you have access toBut did any of those respective govenments try 2 stop his execution,no they didnt they were just disgusted the us signed an agreement and didnt adhere to it,And suprise suprise was their a media blackout on the night of his execution yes, And read the statment that the representative read out, the part in question he states”The state took the view of a media blackout for fear of reprials and international intervention”.
You really are somthing arnt you,The whole dam world is wrong and you are right.
I make it up as i go along do i? so writing somthing that is wrong isnt liable is it not, or to write down somthing that defamates a persons character isnt liable is it not,Well, lets see whos the idiot shall we.
If you know your are correct in what you have written,Then you will have no objection to forwarding me your home address,So i can take legal action against you-Ofcourse if you are right,you will have nothing to worry about will you.
wonder what excuse you will use not to send it to me,so no more ranting,stand by your beliefs,as i am,Lets see who the idiot is.
We already have.
I don’t know what the liable laws are in Great Britain, but your idea that calling someone a liar on the web is somehow liable, shows you are an idiot when it comes to U.S. law.
While some of your comments showed some reasoning ability, claiming you have been a victim of liable exceeds audience comprehension.
I know I am correct, and will not divulge my personal info to a petty, litigious minded sop like you.
How can you be defamed, when you aren’t identified?
/idiot
I can be defamed,Because I know it refers to me,And certain people who know me have read these blogs,And they know it referes to me,You dont need to know a persons name to defamate them.
Are you running a temprature or feeling a little unwell,Thought i detected just a hint in your last post of you mellowing slightly,but my opimisum was short lived-Well one can live in hope.
So dont post your address on a public weboard,understand your reasons,because i wouldnt to,But you could have emailed them, as you are correct,far superiour and far greater inteligence(apparently) what have you to worry about when dealing with a petty litigious minded sop like me.
lol you will be running out of names to call me soon lol.
Well allow me to get your address for myself,Just called my neighbour to view the blogs who is a trainee solicitor,Is that not funny that a solicitor appears to be of the same opinion as this idiotic,racist,callous,sop,Then some1 of your far superiour inteligence-Yes you are correct we know have decided whos the idiot.
well im of 2 the pub-I will look forward to your reply with glee
You are unable to grasp the notion, that I am not the person known as “anonymous.”
A trainee solicitor? Oh my! That should strike fear into you, not I.
You truly are an idiot, of the lowest order.
I have friends who are judges, prosecutors, criminal and civil lawyers, and I won’t even bother asking them about your claim, they generally view me as a serious person, and not one who would ask an asinine question about internet liable.
Lol i decided to get a few cans in than go out-Yes your mellowing was short lived-If i had an ego as big as yours, id fall over it every time i walked,Lol the people you say you know, lol says it all to me really.
The us legal system needs a dam overhaul,And thats the view of many many including 1 0r 2 posts on this site, so dont worry your contacts on such a trivial matter,And they take you as serious, lol id hate to be accused and have the likes of you as a judge/jury or defending me,guilty and executed for a jay walking.
And yes i did graps that the replies that have been postested by 2 others excluding yourself, unless 1 of the others were indeed the same person using different addy,So you presumed yet again oh yea sorry your allowed to.Well you will be hearing from me in the future, And not just via this site,Go on smile
I have met all sorts of idiots on the web. You are unique, but unremarkable.
Look at your own inept legal system first, before you look here. We don’t allow Sharia, dickhead.
There was nothing constructive about your comments. You come hear and insult us and then act all huffy when it is thrown back at you. You are callous because you are willing to lie for the murderers. And you are a racist because you were whining about all black juries. And yeah, you do copy and paste. We see the same b.s. arguments from the murder fan clubs ad nauseum.
You are one of the most unclear posters here. Don’t get offended if people can’t understand you and don’t get offended if people don’t believe you. We weren’t born yesterday.
I have no idea what you are trying to say about race and juries. You make no sense. Probably cause you don’t know what you are talking about to begin with. And the use of the term “coloured” is considered a slur in this country.
Foster was guilty of capital murder under our laws. Don’t like it, don’t come to the US and murder our people. There is nothing unfair about the law of parties/felony murder rule. He chose to engage in an activity where death was a foreseeable uncome.
And get off your high horse about Swearingen. There was no misconduct and no error. Beside the overwhelming amount of evidence of guilt, the body was placed in the woods before he was arrested. If you had even a rudimentary understanding of the law, facts, and logic, and did not jump at every defense misrepresentation, you would know this. He will be executed.
The feds signed a treaty that had no force or effect on the individual states. It is no secret how the law of treaties works in this country. And Texas did not agree to it. That’s our constitution. That’s our laws. If euroweenies don’t like it, tough. And no one was denied the right to contact counsel. Everyone gets free phone calls. Anyone could have contacted their counsel on their own. The whole thing was just another ruse to prevent a creep from facing justice.
And yes, according to the US Supreme Court all the other nations were wrong. No country was arguing that their creep was innocent. They were arguing the states were bound by the treaty. They were wrong. And, they could not prove that any defendant was prejudiced by not being told they had the right to contact council when they could have done it on their own or had their free atty do it for them.
And yes they tried to stop the executions. We are the ones disgusted with the international community.
And no, there was not a media black out the night of his execution. Are you on drugs?
One, like I said, you are an idiot and a liar. Therefore, the truth is a defense.
Two, even if you weren’t an idiot and a liar (and for the record, you are), you have no cause of action for defamation.
Three, you say, The us legal system needs a dam overhaul. You are the one who is in need of a dam [sic] overhaul. You don’t know what you are talking about and you can barely communicate in what I assume is your native language. I don’t know what it is about you Brits but you absolutely slaughter the English language.
Lol this site has just proved to me,After my previous post, I came back online and their were several posts proving facts-Where have the gone-Oh they have been removed,Why might that be i wonder,Because the truth hurts in a few cases-And you cannot have the truth on here can you.
Their you go again being presumious, about looking at the uk legal system before slating yours,We knew it needed addressing and why because 2 men got executed and were found to be innocent.
you can call me anything you want,by you removing those factual posts speaks so much louder than words.
So your motto is execute anyone who is accused weather innocent or not-And if i dont agree with a post I will remove it-And im the idiot im i,You have made my day now- And i will be laughing louder even still watch this space and enjoy the website while you can-Lol i cannot stop laughing,such blinded and vindictive people around.
Have a good life and enjoy your site
Nothing has been removed, as far as I can tell.
Your imagined posts are probably still being held in moderation in the recesses of what you have resembling a mind.
Just checked the spam filter, and no posts for the latest UK idiot were found, even though I did find one from the old UK idiot, and even one from anonymous.
One of the reasons we appreciate free speech in this country, even if they are sniveling little ankle biters from the UK, is that we want to hear what they have to say, so they can be revealed for what they truly are. In the case of paul/john/elo, it is his idiocy, and his desire to meddle in other people’s affairs, that do not concern him, while his own pathetic country crumbles around him.
None of your posts were removed. Additionally, no one said what you claimed they said. Thanks for proving us correct.
Seriously, stay away from adult discussions. You can’t handle them.
Lol-Who is the Idiot now-Did i say my post were removed-Lol why dont you go and edit it to prove you are correct.Saying that no posts is a simple lie-Because i Know the people who sent them-And your site is not fully copyright protected so was able to print all the entries of.Is that not strange that the copy that has been printed of has more entries than is on the site now-Call me a lier all you want-But trust me this little so called Idiotic,callous, sop, To name a few will have this site shut down,And thats a promise,So post all you want about me -You have proved how biased and blinded you trully are with your biggoted and rather selectiveness on what you want to know or post.
Dont bother,emailing again,Because i will not be replying or wasting my time,But mark my words i will have you shut down-Thats a fact and a promise.
Someone emailed you?
Why?
A promise from a madman is a lie.
I didn’t email the liar.
Lol-Who is the Idiot now- You.
Did i say my post were removed-Lol why dont you go and edit it to prove you are correct.Saying that no posts is a simple lie-Because i Know the people who sent them- You implied your posts were removed. Either way, it was a lie that any posts were removed. Why would any rational person lie the way you do? Then again, the fact that you think you are going to sue us all and shut the blog down is not rational, either. Go take your meds.