Comments on: Air Marshals Shoot Passenger

By: DeaWelsh

DeaWelsh — Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:44:22 +0000

I’m just glad an Air Marshall was on board. It’s unfortunate that a mentally ill man was killed, of course, but it was a very good indication of how we can now defend our planes better in case of future incidents.

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:51:28 +0000

BRSH – Victory for the Bush administration? Wow. It takes a rare sort to try to take a tragedy like this and spin it into political gain. If you have any shame, now would be the time to feel it.

By: Brsh

Brsh — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:05:30 +0000

It was very sad, but today was a victory for the Bush Administration, the country, and the men and women of Law Enforcement. I feel much more secure today then I felt yesterday about getting on a plane.

By: inmypajamas

inmypajamas — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:36:16 +0000

I have a family member who suffers from this and have to agree completely with Jeff (she is an artist who feels she can only really paint off meds and her compliance is abyssmal). It takes more than just one missed dose for the patient to decline into a full manic phase. My family member has landed in the hospital several times in manic mode so I find it hard to understand why the wife was willing to travel with this guy (an additional stress) knowing he was off his meds.

My heart goes out to the air marshal who was forced to make such a difficult choice with little time and less information. I hope to God that common sense prevails and this man will be left alone. The armchair quarter backs who never have had to make instant life or death decisions have no idea what it takes. As an RN, I have been involved in medical emergencies where the wrong decision means a life lost and that is really nothing compared to what firemen, policemen and soldiers and all the others commissioned with our protection go through on a routine basis. The people we serve and protect sometimes forget the awesome responsibility we carry on our shoulders and I wish they would remember that we are human just like they are before whipping out their lawyer’s business card.

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By: Jeff H

Jeff H — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:14:13 +0000

Quick fact: if someone is bipolar and simply misses a dose or 2 of their meds, they’ll not go over the edge. It takes at the very least several days, perhaps a couple of weeks, of not taking the meds, for any full-blown manic or depressive phase to kick in. So, if the “wife” wants to claim it’s because he hadn’t taken his meds, then Esbiem has a point: hold her at least partially accountable for not seeing that the guy stay on his meds.

By: Esbiem

Esbiem — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:04:01 +0000

The man’s “wife” should be held accountable, if indeed he was a non-medicated bi-polar and she was aware of it prior to his death inviting actions, for his (1.) not taking his meds and (2.) his subsequent terroristic threats which resulted in (1.) the death of her husband and (2.) the mental pain and suffering and loss of time on the job by the air marshall in the aftermath of the shooting.

By: Mark in Mexico

Mark in Mexico — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:54:37 +0000

Take your medication on time, all the time.

I blame Al . . . no . . . Jeff . . . Jeff Goldstein and his rabid armadillo. I suspect his monkey but it’s not Friday. Only almost Friday, so the monkey probably skates on this one.

By: Dan

Dan — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:14:53 +0000

Sad story. I agree with you that, based on the facts presented thus far, it was almost certainly a justified shooting. Now, since you saw fit to mouth off about the ACLU, do you want to put some money where your mouth is? Do you really think the ACLU will sue on this? If so, let’s have a friendly bet on it.

If, on the other, hand, you were just smearing the ACLU without understanding what they stand for, then just dodge my offer of a bet.

By: Jeff H

Jeff H — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 01:49:31 +0000

“If this turns out to be true, then it is a tragedy.”

True, but not as much as you might think. Bipolar patients are some of the worst at medication compliance, and some of the worst to have to put up with. They are grandiose, manipulative, and many purposefully stop taking their medication when they sense a manic phase coming on–because they love the sense of limitless energy (that’s how they perceive their manic phases–while those around them experience them [in the patient] as periods of fitful or non-existent sleep; incoherently pressured speech; out of control sprees of every ilk; including sex, spending money, wild schemes of all sorts; in short, a living hell).

So, yes, it would be tragedy, but one that to some extent was almost certainly foreseeable and not completely devoid of the patient’s responsibility.

BTW, I’ve voted for you in the Weblog Awards–every chance I’ve had.