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Not “Undocumented workers”, but ILLEGAL aliens

Scott Johnson at Powerline on the massive ILLEGAL alien rally in LA and others around the country:

I can’t think of many things more likely to increase support for enforcing existing immigration law than the march of the illegals that took place in Los Angeles and elsewhere in the United States yesterday.

Seriously.

Living in Texas almost my entire life, and having lived in El Paso, Texas (you can literally throw rocks across the border and hit Juarez, it’s so close to Mexico) for 12 years, I have a pretty good feel for the ridiculous number of ILLEGAL aliens from Mexico and Central American countries. But the rallies in Los Angeles and elsewhere will probably only serve as a reminder to those not living in border states as to the overwhelming number of ILLEGALs in this country, and the tremendous tax burden that they are to those of us who are here LEGALLY.

I would have loved nothing more than if Immigration officers, backed by several thousand Marines and National Guardsmen, had rolled through LA checking the immigration status of all present, and promptly detained then immediately shipped ALL of the ILLEGAL aliens back to where they came from. Immediate as in that same day.

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The ILLEGAL alien rally prompted Uncle J at Blackfive to ask a question that I’ve been pondering for quite some time:

When was the last time the right got all up in arms and flooded the streets with chanting protesters? I mean beside the 4th of July, seriously, why is this such a staple of the left?

This has been on my mind quite a bit after attending the funerals of two Soldiers and one Marine as part of the Patriot Guard Riders. We’re a protest group of sorts — or, more accurately, a “counter-protest” group. But instead of hate-filled signs, we hoist American flags. Instead of poorly rhymed chants about blood and oil, we stand in silent respect.

So, I’d add a follow-up question to the one posed by Uncle J: When was the last time that the Left flooded the streets in support of something, rather than to attack or oppose?

Uncle J continues:

The problem now is that the left marches mostly about issues that the rest of America doesn’t agree with them about, or certainly that there is no consensus on. [with the then being the Civil Rights marches]…

…More and more Americans look at street marchers as a perpetually riled bunch of aging hippies, looking for their last great hurrah before they head to that collective in Vermont to meditate for world peace. Of course that is an unfair generalization, but it represents the view of many Americans.

It’s my view, too. Although, living in a young, über-liberal college town, many of our protestors are perpetually riled young hippies, looking to follow in the footsteps of their aging hippie professors.

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I think James Kirchick, an ediotrial columnist at the Yale Daily News hits the nail on the head as to the answer to Uncle J’s question, though:

Our politics have become so polarized that many are willing to take positions based on the inverse of their opponents’. This abandonment of classical liberal values at the expense of political gamesmanship has consequences that reach far beyond Yale; it hurts our national discourse.

I challenge you to this: attend the next gathering of Patriot Guard Riders and one of their “counter-protests”. Observe their signs (US Flags) and their silent show of respect for their cause and beliefs. Then attend a Liberal protest — for anything: anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-border control, anti-whatever — and observe their signs (the ones comparing our soldiers and our President to Nazis), listen to their loud and angry yelling. Watch them physically attack those who dare hold a different opinion.

After you’ve done both of these things, tell me that there’s not something very, very wrong with Liberal activism today.

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John Hawkins at RightWingNews asks another question:

Another Question: How did we get to the point where we have people who aren’t even in this country legally, walking around in broad daylight, waving Mexican flags, and demanding that our government cater to them?

The answer? Liberalism.

31 Responses to “March of the ILLEGALS”

I was wondering when you were going to address this Robbie ….

Here is my latest e-mail to my Republican senators. I will be watching C-span this week!

“As the Senate debates illegal immigration this week, think of the costs on legal citizens in this country. Think of the illegals that use emergency rooms like free health care clinics, driving up costs for the legal citizens who are struggling to make it. Think of the employers who know they are breaking the law, yet hire illegals anyhow because they can get cheap labor, lowering the wages for legal citizens. Think of the Mexican gangs who are comitting serious crimes. Think of the Katrina victims who have no place to live because there is not enough federal funding for assistance and then think of the large numbers of illegals who will go on welfare. Think of the education costs for illegals on school systems that are already at the breaking point, and the resulting higher and higher taxes on legal citizens. And, finally, think of border security..remember 9-11.

Yes, mass demonstrations this weekend, walkouts, etc. with most being illegals which were quite spectacular, but don’t forget those of us who are your legal constituents and don’t forget who you work for.

Are we a nation of laws or are we not?”

Our politicians are so afraid of losing votes, I predict they will cave on this issue, both republicans and democrats. Everybody write to your senators, or forever hold your peace when you suffer the consequences!

We should definitely try to secure our borders and reduce illegal immigration. It seems to me the easiest means of doing this is increasing legal immigration.

The reason nothing has been done about this yet is the important role that immigration plays in the economy- particularly agriculture. Cutting the rates of immigration would have negative effects on the economy and in many cities where their presence has reversed historic population declines.

Regarding protest marches:

If you look it’s not hard to find progressives like Marcos Moulitas of Daily Kos (and myself, for that matter) expressing skepticism of marches.

But to take your question seriously: liberals protest more frequently because of their ideology of providing a voice for the under-represented. Do intemperate things sometimes get said at a protest march? Probably. So? Ultimately I put a higher value on social justice than on ‘politeness’: white society of the Jim Crow South was very well-mannered I’m led to believe…

With regards to today’s protest-anything mentality vs.the protests of the Civil Rights Movement, Grim, commenting at Blackfive wrote:

“…the Civil Rights Movement was so obviously correct (in retrospect) that we can’t as a nation condemn either its goals or its methods. Yet its issue was not just any issue: the treatment of blacks in American history was a unique and special kind of inequality. There is nothing, elsewhere, to compare to slavery and Jim Crow.

The problem, then, is that we have precedent for radical social movements that use mass marches and forced judicial solutions — but those tools, which were appropriate to the one terrible issue, are inappropriate to every other issue. There is nothing else on the scale of slavery, the 3/5ths compromise, and Jim Crow. But we are now treating all issues as if they were the same, from gay marriage to abortion.”

Who says?

Like I say, I’m not a big fan of protest marches but why should someone wanting fair labor laws or abortion rights or a ban on abortion have to obey “Grim’s” sense of propriety? Once again it’s the right telling others what is the proper way to go about their lives: from who they have sex with to whether they must live on a respirator indefinitely to who is allowed to speak at your funeral.

Just mind your own business, please!

Those ingrates. It’s not like hispanics got beaten in LA high schools for speaking spanish or anything like that … what? … they did? … Oh, that’s quite different … Never Mind!

“I’m ‘illegal’ too because I once got a speeding ticket.”
Emily Litella

Next time Cindy Sheehan is up in Crawford, do what I did and attend the counter-rally.

It was close, but I think Cindy’s people were outnumbers last August. I expect they’ll be back again this summer.

Be careful though. It’s really, really, hot in Crawford in August. I mean surface of Venus hot. People who say “Bush isn’t a real Texan” have never been to Crawford in August. Only a true Texan loves Texas to spend August in Crawford.

I have some pictures on my flickr page:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimntexas/sets/847158/

Careful, Jim, a counter-rally might also offend “Grim’s” sensibilities… You’re better off if you make sure your civic action is limited the voting booth (and writing checks).

Dear Emily — driving illegally is not the same thing as being here in this country illegally. Although, numerous ILLEGAL aliens in this country do both (which is always nice to be hit by an uninsured ILLEGAL alien, as I was in 1988).

But out of curiosity, Emily — what happened when you were caught driving illegally? Did you have to pay a fine? Appear in court? Where there legal reprecussions? Don’t bother — it’s a rhetorical question. Now, why shouldn’t being here in this country illegally not also have legal ramifications? (that one’s not rhetorical).

The last time a stunt like this was pulled, the result was the overwhelming passage of an anti-illegal immigration bill in California. Of course, our governor and the Ninth Circuit sold us out on it. And not, it was not unconstitutional.

95% of the homicide warrants in LA County are for Mexican nationals. It is estimated that 35% of those in prison in California for violent felonies are for Mexican nationals. So much for law abiding.

Hmm. I’m tired. Make that, And, no, it was not unconstitutional. And, It is estimated that 35% of those in prison in California for violent felonies are Mexican nationals.

Reading all the responses, one thing comes to mind. I live in Az. A few months ago, a pregnant woman crossed the border into AZ from Mexico. While going through the desert, she went into labor and was taken to a hospital in Tuscon. There, she gave birth to a little boy. Afterwards, they shipped her back to Mexico. Im pretty sure that this is quite common, considering the amount of people trying to cross over. She got free care at a hospital here… and then she goes back to mexico. Someone will be paying that bill for sure.

The child is now a US citizen and is entitled to all rights and benefits.

2- you’ll have to take it up with the 14th Amendment…
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/

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Chris- immigration issues aside, are you really taking the position of advocating the denial of hospital care for pregnant women who have spent days in the desert? I doubt that falls under the ‘compassionate conservative’ umbrella.

” Once again it’s the right telling others what is the proper way to go about their lives: from who they have sex with to whether they must live on a respirator indefinitely to who is allowed to speak at your funeral.

Just mind your own business, please!”

No, it’s the LEFT trying to force their perverted, twisted sense of personal freedom on everybody else! Let them march in a parade with NAMBLA and the rest of the freaks. I don’t give a damn, but

Stay away from MY business, please.

STAY AWAY FROM MY BUSINESS, PLEASE.

Uh, who’s in NAMBLA?

I gave three real examples from the last 2 years that affected real people’s lives. Yours is some strawman that liberals want to sleep with boys.

Really, you’re going to base your vote on that kind of fictitious idea while Republicans… (oh pick something)- would rather pander to chemical companies, nuclear plants, and seaports than invest in protecting them from terrorist attacks?

Wow. Preston can link to the Wiki aritcle on the 14th Amendment. We are so unimpressed! So, Preston, how many years have you been marching in the annual gay rights parade with the nambla contingent?

Please try to refrain from out-and-out personal attacks against each other. Remember: attack ideas, not people (unless they are public figures who do stupid things — then attack away).

There are so many more deserving people to personally attack: for us, we have Sean Penn (who likes to rape barbie dolls), John Kerry, Howard “Aggghghghghghghgh” Dean, and Ruth “Snooze” Bader-Ginsburg. Preston has the President and his elocution problems, Dick Cheney being the second most notorious Vice President of all time, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter (when her likeness isn’t being violated by Sean Penn), and Rush “Damn, but I can be a giant hypocrite, can’t I?” Limbaugh.

Wow- 2, strong rebuttal. I was expecting maybe something more along the lines of how the 14th Amendment didn’t apply to the offspring of women who had illegally entered the country… or how you supported an amendment to the Constitution overruling the 14th- But whatever works.

You and Zacharias Moussaoui must have gone to the same debate school.

2, im just basically showing how poor our border is protected. I dont care if this kid has the same rights now that he is american. But just think of some terrorist coming across and blowing up your family. I doubt that you will feel the same way then. It is quite easy to simply catch a plane to someplace in mexico, then go across the border and do some damage. My point was that our border security is a joke. If a pregnant woman is able to cross without getting caught, think of what can happen when a few people with bombs come over.

2, im just basically showing how poor our border is protected.

Chris, perhaps you underestimate the wiliness of pregnant women…

Chris, it means they are entitled to welfare benefits. My point is that we have to pay for people coming here illegally. The thread is about illegal immigration, isn’t it? If I am seriously injured and can’t find an emergency room open because so many have been forced to close, I may not be alive for terrorists to blow me up. If I can’t afford my own insurance premiums because they are astronomical because of the costs of treating illegal aliens, again, I’m screwed. Housing is unaffordable. The infrastructure is falling apart. All because of illegal immigration. Granting an another amnesty is not going to solve the problem.

Please try to refrain from out-and-out personal attacks against each other.

Since preston likes to make up things about other posters, I thought turnabout was fair play.

Wow- 2, strong rebuttal.

It was. Sorry you missed the point. There is no right to state welfare benefits in the 14th amendment.

You and Zacharias Moussaoui must have gone to the same debate school.

And you’re too engrossed in your latest issue of Jack & Jill Magazine.

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All because of illegal immigration.
You have a link for that one?

Since preston likes to make up things about other posters,
Examples?

There is no right to state welfare benefits in the 14th amendment.
They have the rights of any other American citizen.

Want stats? Here are reliable stats. Bottom line…Legalization will dramatically increase costs. The operative term is “dramatically”.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html

I am so furious at the moment, I best keep my mouth shut beyond this reference.

Furious?

Well, I suppose I’m going to disagree with what an organization says whose mission is to promote low immigration (funded by Richard Mellon Scaife, no less- ick). I believe immigration affirms who we are as Americans in addition to keeping this a growing, vital country. (I feel happy to report I reap the cultural benefits of living adjacent to West Indian, Central American, Pakistani, Polish, and Russian neighborhoods. They’ve made my city a more interesting place as well a more prosperous place.)

But, yeah, it probably does cost money to legalize millions of immigrants in one lump group. But your stats point out that these immigrants have an immidiate rise in income that will translate into reduced government expentitures and increased tax collection over time.

I’ll repeat that I hope we can find a way to reduce illegal immigration- I think that it has some negatives for both the migrants and the US. But I would be happy to see legal immigration increase. If conservatives are interested in the US maintaining its global status they will have to get behind this as well.

Dianne- maybe you’ve already come to a conclusion on the isuse and are using a resource to back up that position but CIS is only going to provide data that back up their goal of a low rate of immigration.

If you look to organizations that purport to be neutral and pro-immigration organizations you might find a different analysis of the pros and cons of immigration into the US.

http://tinyurl.com/ry44g

This is exactly how I feel. Looks like I am in the majority.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060328-102545-2371r.htm

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