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		<title>By: Blue Star Chronicles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Final Salute</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2006/04/ucsc-domestic-enemies/#comment-28179</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Star Chronicles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Final Salute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Others posting about the Silly Santa Cruz Student Seditionists: Law &amp; Ordinance; California Conservative; Solomonia; chez Diva; Outside the Beltway; Urban Grounds; The Right State; Sister Toldjah;    &#160; Trackback&#160;  Permalink &#160;  Filed under: Our Soldiers, War on Terror, Battle of Iraq, Soldier Families [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: chez diva</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2006/04/ucsc-domestic-enemies/#comment-15980</link>
		<dc:creator>chez diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FledTheAsylum  wrote:  &quot;those UCSC students are the militaryâ€™s boss.&quot; 

Then someone better start filing a lawsuit against job place harassment because those pathetic anarchists are &quot;harassing&quot; their employees. 

and  you also wrote: &quot;The military doesnâ€™t have enemies&quot; -  let me refer you to exhibit A- the first image at this post - the sign the protestor is holding reads &quot;Fuck the Army&quot;.  So I would have to say wrong answer - those twits hate the army and are the enemies of men like my husband and my father who have laid their lifes on the line so that that little piece of shit can hold that sign up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FledTheAsylum  wrote:  &#8220;those UCSC students are the militaryâ€™s boss.&#8221; </p>
<p>Then someone better start filing a lawsuit against job place harassment because those pathetic anarchists are &#8220;harassing&#8221; their employees. </p>
<p>and  you also wrote: &#8220;The military doesnâ€™t have enemies&#8221; &#8211;  let me refer you to exhibit A- the first image at this post &#8211; the sign the protestor is holding reads &#8220;Fuck the Army&#8221;.  So I would have to say wrong answer &#8211; those twits hate the army and are the enemies of men like my husband and my father who have laid their lifes on the line so that that little piece of shit can hold that sign up.</p>
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		<title>By: FledTheAsylum</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2006/04/ucsc-domestic-enemies/#comment-15977</link>
		<dc:creator>FledTheAsylum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;domestic enemies of the United States Military.&quot;

The military doesn&#039;t have enemies. The nation has enemies, both foreign and domestic, that the military is directed to combat.  

The authority of the military emanates from the authority of the Federal government, which is empowered through the consent of the governed. Regardless of how you feel about their opinions or actions, those UCSC students are the military&#039;s boss.

Your inability, or your choice, not to grasp this is both troubling and I&#039;m afraid, common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;domestic enemies of the United States Military.&#8221;</p>
<p>The military doesn&#8217;t have enemies. The nation has enemies, both foreign and domestic, that the military is directed to combat.  </p>
<p>The authority of the military emanates from the authority of the Federal government, which is empowered through the consent of the governed. Regardless of how you feel about their opinions or actions, those UCSC students are the military&#8217;s boss.</p>
<p>Your inability, or your choice, not to grasp this is both troubling and I&#8217;m afraid, common.</p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2006/04/ucsc-domestic-enemies/#comment-15976</link>
		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life must be very hard for Lauren and her family.  Although not as severe,  we had a similar battle with the VA regarding benefits for my father.  He fought for benefits on and off again  for nearly 50 years as a WWII veteran and died the same month they finally increased  his disability to 30% from 10%.   He spent 4 years in the Army, including a long stint in the Philippines during WWII and came home sick with malaria and hepatitis.  The VA continually rejected his claims, blaming his liver problems on alcoholism, but I&#039;m certain even his alcoholism was a result of the stress he had during WWII.  He nearly died a couple of times from liver failure when I was a little kid.  My dad was the only son of a widowed mother and they still drafted him.  He came home to no home because his mother lost the farm while he was fighting in the Philippines.    The VA isn&#039;t always fair.

That aside, the UCSC students you wrote about are ignorant,  spoiled   brats, typical of those who have the privilege of living in a free and safe country but have no appreciation for  those who give their lives  so they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life must be very hard for Lauren and her family.  Although not as severe,  we had a similar battle with the VA regarding benefits for my father.  He fought for benefits on and off again  for nearly 50 years as a WWII veteran and died the same month they finally increased  his disability to 30% from 10%.   He spent 4 years in the Army, including a long stint in the Philippines during WWII and came home sick with malaria and hepatitis.  The VA continually rejected his claims, blaming his liver problems on alcoholism, but I&#8217;m certain even his alcoholism was a result of the stress he had during WWII.  He nearly died a couple of times from liver failure when I was a little kid.  My dad was the only son of a widowed mother and they still drafted him.  He came home to no home because his mother lost the farm while he was fighting in the Philippines.    The VA isn&#8217;t always fair.</p>
<p>That aside, the UCSC students you wrote about are ignorant,  spoiled   brats, typical of those who have the privilege of living in a free and safe country but have no appreciation for  those who give their lives  so they can.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Star Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2006/04/ucsc-domestic-enemies/#comment-15967</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Star Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Final Salute&lt;/strong&gt;

The dichotomy between the misguided useful idiots and the disciplined protective warriors is glaring. The students storm a group of recruiters they know will not strike them back. The Warriors go willingly and bravely facing an enemy determined to ki...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Final Salute</strong></p>
<p>The dichotomy between the misguided useful idiots and the disciplined protective warriors is glaring. The students storm a group of recruiters they know will not strike them back. The Warriors go willingly and bravely facing an enemy determined to ki&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2006/04/ucsc-domestic-enemies/#comment-15946</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie- your link doesn&#039;t work but reading the cached version it seems just another incarnation of the Red Menace/ Yellow Peril fears without any particular basis in reality.

Regarding the protester.  I disagree with her but I&#039;m not sure if anger is misplaced if you feel that your government is not only engaged in a policy which is killing thousands of innocent people but possibly increasing the vulnerability of Americans to attack.  The war in Iraq is damaging the US military- we are losing capable officers that will be need at a time when the US faces a war not of our choosing.   So, sure the Army is the vehicle of this policy but she&#039;s an idiot for displacing her vitriol from the instigators of these policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie- your link doesn&#8217;t work but reading the cached version it seems just another incarnation of the Red Menace/ Yellow Peril fears without any particular basis in reality.</p>
<p>Regarding the protester.  I disagree with her but I&#8217;m not sure if anger is misplaced if you feel that your government is not only engaged in a policy which is killing thousands of innocent people but possibly increasing the vulnerability of Americans to attack.  The war in Iraq is damaging the US military- we are losing capable officers that will be need at a time when the US faces a war not of our choosing.   So, sure the Army is the vehicle of this policy but she&#8217;s an idiot for displacing her vitriol from the instigators of these policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2006/04/ucsc-domestic-enemies/#comment-15943</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job assuming I get my talking points from DailyKos or the DNC.  My words aren&#039;t anyone&#039;s talking points, but rather come from real life experiences of my loved ones.  

Have I served in the Army? Marines? AirForce?  No and  I&#039;m greatful that I haven&#039;t had to.  But, I am also greatful for those who have chosen to serve and dedicate their time and lives to the service and our Country.

I am glad to hear that you havent felt the crunch of Veteran&#039;s benefits and the cuts to VA hospitals.  Everyone has not had the same experience.

Last year, my father was in the VA getting his legs amputated (some Dr.s and caseworkers  will say it is service related, some won&#039;t).  Our family was given a timeline of how long he would be in the hospital including recovery and rehabilitation that amound to something like 5 weeks.  In that time my mom planned to rework the house and get prepared to better care for a double amputee.  Needless to say, budget cuts went into effect, and after less than two weeks, my mom recieved a call and said he no longer qualified for rehabilitation and and certain portions of the extra recovery period and she had to come pick him up from the hospital the next day.  The house wasnt completely prepared nor were his  completely healed, but that just didnt matter.  Not to mention, no one was prepared to get him in and out of my my mom&#039;s car when he didnt have legs to stand on to get into a wheelchair.  But, hey they were supporting our troops!

Whether a veteran serves for 3 years or retires from the military, whether or not during their time of service they were sent into combat, they signed up ready to serve in combat if they were so called (maybe those 3 years the country did not send any many into combat) .  They were willing to put their lives on the line so that people like me did not have to, and they deserve to be treated with the utmost respect and deserve the benefits that will keep them healthy and comforable for the rest of their lives.  As a taxpayer, I am 100% ready to support that (whether or not they served in a war I thought was necessary, because I know they follow they orders of the commander in chief -- not me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job assuming I get my talking points from DailyKos or the DNC.  My words aren&#8217;t anyone&#8217;s talking points, but rather come from real life experiences of my loved ones.  </p>
<p>Have I served in the Army? Marines? AirForce?  No and  I&#8217;m greatful that I haven&#8217;t had to.  But, I am also greatful for those who have chosen to serve and dedicate their time and lives to the service and our Country.</p>
<p>I am glad to hear that you havent felt the crunch of Veteran&#8217;s benefits and the cuts to VA hospitals.  Everyone has not had the same experience.</p>
<p>Last year, my father was in the VA getting his legs amputated (some Dr.s and caseworkers  will say it is service related, some won&#8217;t).  Our family was given a timeline of how long he would be in the hospital including recovery and rehabilitation that amound to something like 5 weeks.  In that time my mom planned to rework the house and get prepared to better care for a double amputee.  Needless to say, budget cuts went into effect, and after less than two weeks, my mom recieved a call and said he no longer qualified for rehabilitation and and certain portions of the extra recovery period and she had to come pick him up from the hospital the next day.  The house wasnt completely prepared nor were his  completely healed, but that just didnt matter.  Not to mention, no one was prepared to get him in and out of my my mom&#8217;s car when he didnt have legs to stand on to get into a wheelchair.  But, hey they were supporting our troops!</p>
<p>Whether a veteran serves for 3 years or retires from the military, whether or not during their time of service they were sent into combat, they signed up ready to serve in combat if they were so called (maybe those 3 years the country did not send any many into combat) .  They were willing to put their lives on the line so that people like me did not have to, and they deserve to be treated with the utmost respect and deserve the benefits that will keep them healthy and comforable for the rest of their lives.  As a taxpayer, I am 100% ready to support that (whether or not they served in a war I thought was necessary, because I know they follow they orders of the commander in chief &#8212; not me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren, it&#039;s sad and apparent that you don&#039;t know the truth about the body armor issue ---  that Left-talking pont has been well debunked.

I don&#039;t support reducing Veteran&#039;s benefits, either. I didn&#039;t support it under President Clinton, either. But since becoming a disabled veteran back in 1993, my service-connected disability benefits have done nothing but gone up.

I don&#039;t have a yellow ribbon on the back of my car, either. I have a US Army Veteran license plate instead.

So, the &quot;chicken hawk&quot; meme doesn&#039;t really fly around here. I&#039;ve raised my hand. I&#039;ve worn the uniform. I&#039;ve done my time in the sand, so that you and your ilk can continue to abuse your &quot;freedoms&quot; without having ever done a damned thing to have earned them (other than having the fortune to be born in this great country).

But I still find those little yellow ribbons that you so despise to be infinitely more patriotic than signs that say &quot;Fuck the Army&quot;. But hey, that&#039;s just me.

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Oh, and an FYI, Lauren --- those talking points you&#039;re reading from? They&#039;re &lt;em&gt;months &lt;/em&gt;old. You should run (don&#039;t walk) to the DNC or DailyKos for your updated list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren, it&#8217;s sad and apparent that you don&#8217;t know the truth about the body armor issue &#8212;  that Left-talking pont has been well debunked.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support reducing Veteran&#8217;s benefits, either. I didn&#8217;t support it under President Clinton, either. But since becoming a disabled veteran back in 1993, my service-connected disability benefits have done nothing but gone up.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a yellow ribbon on the back of my car, either. I have a US Army Veteran license plate instead.</p>
<p>So, the &#8220;chicken hawk&#8221; meme doesn&#8217;t really fly around here. I&#8217;ve raised my hand. I&#8217;ve worn the uniform. I&#8217;ve done my time in the sand, so that you and your ilk can continue to abuse your &#8220;freedoms&#8221; without having ever done a damned thing to have earned them (other than having the fortune to be born in this great country).</p>
<p>But I still find those little yellow ribbons that you so despise to be infinitely more patriotic than signs that say &#8220;Fuck the Army&#8221;. But hey, that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<p>***<br />
Oh, and an FYI, Lauren &#8212; those talking points you&#8217;re reading from? They&#8217;re <em>months </em>old. You should run (don&#8217;t walk) to the DNC or DailyKos for your updated list.</p>
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