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	<title>Comments on: Explaining &#8220;The Surge&#8221; to You as if You Were a 5-year Old</title>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American fears:
1. WMD (scud off)?
2. Anthrax in the post (be careful now)?
3. Contaminated crop sprayers (clever buggers)?
4. Red neck panic that would result in a global nuclear war...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American fears:<br />
1. WMD (scud off)?<br />
2. Anthrax in the post (be careful now)?<br />
3. Contaminated crop sprayers (clever buggers)?<br />
4. Red neck panic that would result in a global nuclear war&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38291</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear for us! In that you will return from your job and subject us to more of your weenie drivel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear for us! In that you will return from your job and subject us to more of your weenie drivel!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we get out, are we really faced with Death or Slavery under Islam?

Who has more to fear?
The Middle East suffers daily, from the aggressive, capitalist, Christian US stronghold that is Israel.  We have made clear intentions to control vast swathes of the Middle East, almost entirely encompassing Iran (see why they want a bomb?).
I&#039;m going to work in 5 minutes with no fear at all - our brothers and sisters in Iraq may well be blown up by a stray US bomb today... I fear for them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we get out, are we really faced with Death or Slavery under Islam?</p>
<p>Who has more to fear?<br />
The Middle East suffers daily, from the aggressive, capitalist, Christian US stronghold that is Israel.  We have made clear intentions to control vast swathes of the Middle East, almost entirely encompassing Iran (see why they want a bomb?).<br />
I&#8217;m going to work in 5 minutes with no fear at all &#8211; our brothers and sisters in Iraq may well be blown up by a stray US bomb today&#8230; I fear for them!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kelley</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38127</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, IF we are going to stay there, we should go all out to win it, with the understanding that this will result in collateral damage. War without it is impossible. Otherwise, we should get out of there. It&#039;s this middle ground that is killing us, staying over there and &quot;fighting&quot;, i.e., turning our soldiers into targets. We should never conduct a war like that, I will never support a war that is fought the way the Iraqi war has been fought. I will support any necessary war that is fought correctly, which as Robbie said, looks like Hiroshima. If not Hiroshima, then at least Dresden.

Otherwise, bottom line-prepare for death or dhimmitude (if not the Muslim version,  then some other form of slavery).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, IF we are going to stay there, we should go all out to win it, with the understanding that this will result in collateral damage. War without it is impossible. Otherwise, we should get out of there. It&#8217;s this middle ground that is killing us, staying over there and &#8220;fighting&#8221;, i.e., turning our soldiers into targets. We should never conduct a war like that, I will never support a war that is fought the way the Iraqi war has been fought. I will support any necessary war that is fought correctly, which as Robbie said, looks like Hiroshima. If not Hiroshima, then at least Dresden.</p>
<p>Otherwise, bottom line-prepare for death or dhimmitude (if not the Muslim version,  then some other form of slavery).</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38103</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think that we are at war with an ideology (Islam) that is incapable of peaceful coexistance with the entire world.&quot;

Christianity and Islam have both been used as tremendous weapons, in establishing the concept of a spiritual cohesion in times of war.  The US is not short of Christian Fundamentalists; George Bush jnr actually used the rallying call and declared that God had spoken to him.
Robbie, I am absolutely opposed to moderate religion also; it is at the very root of the problem in my mind.  However, the problem is not unique to Islam; Christianity is equally to blame.

Iraq as a base for Global Islamic Terrorism?
Under Saddam, very few Iraqi people were actually Muslim Terrorists, plotting to destroy America.

Since the invasion of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of these non-terrorist, peaceful Iraqi&#039;s have died as a direct result of US intervention - how do you imagine their families feel?  How would you feel?

For every day we stay in Iraq, we establish a greater reason for Iraqi&#039;s to actually hate us.
Jesus and Mohammed would be wishing they&#039;d never bothered but that&#039;s another kettle of fish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that we are at war with an ideology (Islam) that is incapable of peaceful coexistance with the entire world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Christianity and Islam have both been used as tremendous weapons, in establishing the concept of a spiritual cohesion in times of war.  The US is not short of Christian Fundamentalists; George Bush jnr actually used the rallying call and declared that God had spoken to him.<br />
Robbie, I am absolutely opposed to moderate religion also; it is at the very root of the problem in my mind.  However, the problem is not unique to Islam; Christianity is equally to blame.</p>
<p>Iraq as a base for Global Islamic Terrorism?<br />
Under Saddam, very few Iraqi people were actually Muslim Terrorists, plotting to destroy America.</p>
<p>Since the invasion of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of these non-terrorist, peaceful Iraqi&#8217;s have died as a direct result of US intervention &#8211; how do you imagine their families feel?  How would you feel?</p>
<p>For every day we stay in Iraq, we establish a greater reason for Iraqi&#8217;s to actually hate us.<br />
Jesus and Mohammed would be wishing they&#8217;d never bothered but that&#8217;s another kettle of fish.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38085</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick note on one question:
&lt;em&gt;
Unless, of course, your belief is that Iraqi life is less valuable than US life, which opens up a whole new can of worms.&lt;/em&gt;

Well...sort of, yes. I believe that the life of &lt;em&gt;me and my family&lt;/em&gt; is more important and valuable than that of anybody else. But especially more so than the Muslim terrorists who are hell bent on converting or killing me and my family, as well as their numerous &quot;moderate&quot; apologists and enablers.

I think that we are at war with an ideology (Islam) that is incapable of peaceful coexistance with the entire world.

I&#039;m not prepared to submit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick note on one question:<br />
<em><br />
Unless, of course, your belief is that Iraqi life is less valuable than US life, which opens up a whole new can of worms.</em></p>
<p>Well&#8230;sort of, yes. I believe that the life of <em>me and my family</em> is more important and valuable than that of anybody else. But especially more so than the Muslim terrorists who are hell bent on converting or killing me and my family, as well as their numerous &#8220;moderate&#8221; apologists and enablers.</p>
<p>I think that we are at war with an ideology (Islam) that is incapable of peaceful coexistance with the entire world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not prepared to submit.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Shakespeare</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38072</link>
		<dc:creator>JC Shakespeare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Victory looks like Hiroshima.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s harsh, Robbie. But thanks for putting your cards on the table. I guess that&#039;s really what it comes down to, isn&#039;t it? Either we get out, or we hit them with our biggest weapons. I hope I&#039;m not being naive in my belief that the vast majority of Americans find the use of nuclear obliteration morally untenable. If we&#039;re willing to nuke a country toward which we have been the aggressor, how are we morally superior to Saddam? One of the essential beliefs of our country is the sanctity of life. Bush talks about it all the time. Do we believe that, or do we believe that all must die in the name of democracy?

&lt;blockquote&gt;The immediate response to acts of War such as the 9/11 attacks should be to make the countries responsible into glazed-over parking lots.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In that case, seems like we should be nuking Saudi Arabia instead of having their royal highnesses over here to traipse through the bluebonnets holding hands with Bush. I still don&#039;t understand how attacking Iraq is supposed to be retribution for 9/11. Iraq posed no viable threat to the US; there were no WMD, and the sanctions and inspections had reduced the country to a shell of its former power. That&#039;s why it only took us a few weeks to oust Saddam. I&#039;m still unclear about why we&#039;re there. So, we should use nuclear weapons to end a war we started? I can&#039;t buy that. Unless, of course, your belief is that Iraqi life is less valuable than US life, which opens up a whole new can of worms.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It never ceases to amaze me how people cry and whine about how we should avoid killing innocent civilians, and then turn right around and promote policies and strategies that in the long run cause even more death and destruction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mr. Kelley, your baseless assertions smack of a steady diet of Fox News and spiteful talk radio. &quot;Cry and whine&quot; about killing innocent civilians? I&#039;m sorry, I was led to believe we were there to give them freedom, not nuke them. What policies and strategies have I promoted that cause more death and destruction than the 3,000 + American lives and several hundred thousand Iraqi lives caused by this war, a war which I have never supported or believed in? None. What evidence do you have for that claim? 

For the record, peace, in my opinion, is not the mere cessation of war. Sustainable peace will be possible when we begin to use our talents, resources, and moral fiber to create a more fair and balanced world. Robbie, you keep saying that peace isn&#039;t realistic. As long as we believe that, then you&#039;re right. But I think our archaic ideas are no longer viable in a crowded and anxious world. We need to start thinking like global citizens instead of world cops protecting our, and only our, interests. 

Discuss . . . (hopefully in a peaceful manner!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Victory looks like Hiroshima.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s harsh, Robbie. But thanks for putting your cards on the table. I guess that&#8217;s really what it comes down to, isn&#8217;t it? Either we get out, or we hit them with our biggest weapons. I hope I&#8217;m not being naive in my belief that the vast majority of Americans find the use of nuclear obliteration morally untenable. If we&#8217;re willing to nuke a country toward which we have been the aggressor, how are we morally superior to Saddam? One of the essential beliefs of our country is the sanctity of life. Bush talks about it all the time. Do we believe that, or do we believe that all must die in the name of democracy?</p>
<blockquote><p>The immediate response to acts of War such as the 9/11 attacks should be to make the countries responsible into glazed-over parking lots.</p></blockquote>
<p>In that case, seems like we should be nuking Saudi Arabia instead of having their royal highnesses over here to traipse through the bluebonnets holding hands with Bush. I still don&#8217;t understand how attacking Iraq is supposed to be retribution for 9/11. Iraq posed no viable threat to the US; there were no WMD, and the sanctions and inspections had reduced the country to a shell of its former power. That&#8217;s why it only took us a few weeks to oust Saddam. I&#8217;m still unclear about why we&#8217;re there. So, we should use nuclear weapons to end a war we started? I can&#8217;t buy that. Unless, of course, your belief is that Iraqi life is less valuable than US life, which opens up a whole new can of worms.</p>
<blockquote><p>It never ceases to amaze me how people cry and whine about how we should avoid killing innocent civilians, and then turn right around and promote policies and strategies that in the long run cause even more death and destruction.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mr. Kelley, your baseless assertions smack of a steady diet of Fox News and spiteful talk radio. &#8220;Cry and whine&#8221; about killing innocent civilians? I&#8217;m sorry, I was led to believe we were there to give them freedom, not nuke them. What policies and strategies have I promoted that cause more death and destruction than the 3,000 + American lives and several hundred thousand Iraqi lives caused by this war, a war which I have never supported or believed in? None. What evidence do you have for that claim? </p>
<p>For the record, peace, in my opinion, is not the mere cessation of war. Sustainable peace will be possible when we begin to use our talents, resources, and moral fiber to create a more fair and balanced world. Robbie, you keep saying that peace isn&#8217;t realistic. As long as we believe that, then you&#8217;re right. But I think our archaic ideas are no longer viable in a crowded and anxious world. We need to start thinking like global citizens instead of world cops protecting our, and only our, interests. </p>
<p>Discuss . . . (hopefully in a peaceful manner!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick answer 2:  Am I prepared to be a Muslim?
The Muslims are not coming to get us Robbie.  
If they smell your fear, then maybe they&#039;ll come and get you!
What are you so scared of?
I&#039;ll see you for morning prayers big fella ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick answer 2:  Am I prepared to be a Muslim?<br />
The Muslims are not coming to get us Robbie.<br />
If they smell your fear, then maybe they&#8217;ll come and get you!<br />
What are you so scared of?<br />
I&#8217;ll see you for morning prayers big fella <img src='http://urbangrounds.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, that&#039;s good and I hear what you&#039;re saying.

Quick Answer:
No Robbie, I follow no religion and as such I do not appreciate the &#039;Western World&#039; being associated with Christianity and the &#039;Middle-East&#039; being associated with Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, that&#8217;s good and I hear what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>Quick Answer:<br />
No Robbie, I follow no religion and as such I do not appreciate the &#8216;Western World&#8217; being associated with Christianity and the &#8216;Middle-East&#8217; being associated with Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/01/troop-surge-explained/#comment-38048</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a couple of quick questions for you Jimmal: Are you a Muslim?

If not, are you prepared to be one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple of quick questions for you Jimmal: Are you a Muslim?</p>
<p>If not, are you prepared to be one?</p>
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