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	<title>Comments on: Are Dems Losing Control of Their Own Party?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Howard</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/losing-control/#comment-55133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preston, are you really proud that Murtha is saying that his bills are designed to &#039;slow bleed&#039; the deployed military in Iraq and Afganistan?

Troops that Murtha voted to send in the first place.

I can respect a Democrat Congressman who just votes for immediate pullout. That would be terrible for the country, but its a mistake an honest person could make.  

It wouldn&#039;t be honest to be asking for a troop surge, and then when the President gives you what you asked  for then turning on him and trying to pull out the rug.  Which many Democrat congressmen did.

The thing that gets my goat about the Murtha/Pelosi/Nutroots elements currently ruling the Democrat party is that they are not honest about what they are trying to do.  They don&#039;t care a fig about &#039;supporting the troops&#039;.  Their actions show that they want to maximize U.S. casulties in order to score political points.  

The goals of the nutroot wing of the Democrat party are identical with those of Al Queada. 

Since they can&#039;t persade enough of their own members to vote out an immediate surrender bill they are resorting to these dishonest &#039;slow bleed&#039; bills designed to cause defeat and increase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preston, are you really proud that Murtha is saying that his bills are designed to &#8216;slow bleed&#8217; the deployed military in Iraq and Afganistan?</p>
<p>Troops that Murtha voted to send in the first place.</p>
<p>I can respect a Democrat Congressman who just votes for immediate pullout. That would be terrible for the country, but its a mistake an honest person could make.  </p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be honest to be asking for a troop surge, and then when the President gives you what you asked  for then turning on him and trying to pull out the rug.  Which many Democrat congressmen did.</p>
<p>The thing that gets my goat about the Murtha/Pelosi/Nutroots elements currently ruling the Democrat party is that they are not honest about what they are trying to do.  They don&#8217;t care a fig about &#8216;supporting the troops&#8217;.  Their actions show that they want to maximize U.S. casulties in order to score political points.  </p>
<p>The goals of the nutroot wing of the Democrat party are identical with those of Al Queada. </p>
<p>Since they can&#8217;t persade enough of their own members to vote out an immediate surrender bill they are resorting to these dishonest &#8216;slow bleed&#8217; bills designed to cause defeat and increase</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/losing-control/#comment-55054</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preston, if you consider adding &quot;pork &quot; spending projects to members&#039; districts in an effort to &quot;buy &quot; their vote on the supplemental war funding bill, i.e.&quot;the cut run and surrender&quot;bill. If you consider that as debate, maybe you should go read the definition of that word  one more time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preston, if you consider adding &#8220;pork &#8221; spending projects to members&#8217; districts in an effort to &#8220;buy &#8221; their vote on the supplemental war funding bill, i.e.&#8221;the cut run and surrender&#8221;bill. If you consider that as debate, maybe you should go read the definition of that word  one more time.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/losing-control/#comment-55050</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, look at what you quoted from Red State.  Once you take out all of the speculation this is what you are left with:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strike&gt;The unflappable&lt;/strike&gt; Steny Hoyer was seen/heard yelling at staff on the floor of the House. Pelosi, according to our source, wasnâ€™t even on the floor. &lt;strike&gt;Presumably she was cloistered somewhere with John Murtha thinking up new ways to ensure our defeat in Iraq. Poor &lt;/strike&gt;Eleanor Holmes-Norton was seen standing silently. &lt;strike&gt;We donâ€™t know what she was thinking but we can guess we couldnâ€™t print it on a family website&lt;/strike&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;

I guess I&#039;d better avoid standing silently if I want to avoid giving a bad impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, look at what you quoted from Red State.  Once you take out all of the speculation this is what you are left with:</p>
<p><em><strike>The unflappable</strike> Steny Hoyer was seen/heard yelling at staff on the floor of the House. Pelosi, according to our source, wasnâ€™t even on the floor. <strike>Presumably she was cloistered somewhere with John Murtha thinking up new ways to ensure our defeat in Iraq. Poor </strike>Eleanor Holmes-Norton was seen standing silently. <strike>We donâ€™t know what she was thinking but we can guess we couldnâ€™t print it on a family website</strike>.</em></p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;d better avoid standing silently if I want to avoid giving a bad impression.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/losing-control/#comment-55049</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool- democracy- where the opinions of the party&#039;s representatives actually matter.  We missed you!

It&#039;s refreshing to see actual ideas and debate coming from Capital Hill rather than outsourcing all the &lt;em&gt;thinkin&#039;&lt;/em&gt; to the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool- democracy- where the opinions of the party&#8217;s representatives actually matter.  We missed you!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s refreshing to see actual ideas and debate coming from Capital Hill rather than outsourcing all the <em>thinkin&#8217;</em> to the White House.</p>
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