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	<title>Comments on: Whose Pay Does Illegal Immigration Raise?</title>
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	<description>Sometimes the truth hurts</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/pay-and-prisons/#comment-49802</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whose afraid of immigrants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whose afraid of immigrants?</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/pay-and-prisons/#comment-49540</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why America went broke in 1879 and never accepted another immigrant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why America went broke in 1879 and never accepted another immigrant.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/pay-and-prisons/#comment-49535</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When you go out to your favorite sushi restaurant I imagine there are illegal immigrants in the kitchen. If they are getting paid at a lower rate than natives that is likely just money in your pocket. &quot;

the few dollars we save when we go out to eat once a week will be lost when we pay for their medical bill or when we pay to keep them fed in OUR prison. somehow, i feel that going to the dentist costs more than cooking some kung pao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When you go out to your favorite sushi restaurant I imagine there are illegal immigrants in the kitchen. If they are getting paid at a lower rate than natives that is likely just money in your pocket. &#8221;</p>
<p>the few dollars we save when we go out to eat once a week will be lost when we pay for their medical bill or when we pay to keep them fed in OUR prison. somehow, i feel that going to the dentist costs more than cooking some kung pao.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/pay-and-prisons/#comment-49510</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So low wages add up to enough savings so that agribusiness and the meat packers and every restaurant in the country is willing to risk fines, business shutdowns, and public embarrassment yet- there really aren&#039;t any labor savings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So low wages add up to enough savings so that agribusiness and the meat packers and every restaurant in the country is willing to risk fines, business shutdowns, and public embarrassment yet- there really aren&#8217;t any labor savings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/pay-and-prisons/#comment-49486</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure you&#039;d &lt;em&gt;rather&lt;/em&gt;.  But you don&#039;t. 

The fact is that Americans above the lowest income levels generally benefit from immigration- you get cheaper food from the migrant farmers, cheap labor from day workers, and a little bonus to your Social Security from unclaimed contributions.  

Like I say, I think we have reasons to enforce immigration law but it will probably cost us to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure you&#8217;d <em>rather</em>.  But you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The fact is that Americans above the lowest income levels generally benefit from immigration- you get cheaper food from the migrant farmers, cheap labor from day workers, and a little bonus to your Social Security from unclaimed contributions.  </p>
<p>Like I say, I think we have reasons to enforce immigration law but it will probably cost us to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/pay-and-prisons/#comment-49476</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the question whose pay does an illegal immigrant raise?  Probably yours.  When you go out to your favorite sushi restaurant I imagine there are illegal immigrants in the kitchen.  If they are getting paid at a lower rate than natives that is likely just money in your pocket.  

There are of course a thousand examples like that.  

Does that mean we should have illegal immigration?  No.  But don&#039;t pretend you don&#039;t benefit from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the question whose pay does an illegal immigrant raise?  Probably yours.  When you go out to your favorite sushi restaurant I imagine there are illegal immigrants in the kitchen.  If they are getting paid at a lower rate than natives that is likely just money in your pocket.  </p>
<p>There are of course a thousand examples like that.  </p>
<p>Does that mean we should have illegal immigration?  No.  But don&#8217;t pretend you don&#8217;t benefit from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/03/pay-and-prisons/#comment-49475</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of what you&#039;re saying contradicts the notion that immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than natives.

So, the average illegal immigrant in prison has been arrested 8 times per person.  What&#039;s the average for native convicts?  Is that really the key statistic anyway?  I&#039;m more interested in number of convictions per 1000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of what you&#8217;re saying contradicts the notion that immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than natives.</p>
<p>So, the average illegal immigrant in prison has been arrested 8 times per person.  What&#8217;s the average for native convicts?  Is that really the key statistic anyway?  I&#8217;m more interested in number of convictions per 1000.</p>
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