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Ryan Heath DicksonOn 11/27/1994, Ryan Heath Dickson and three others (Dane Dickson, Freddie Medina and Jeremy Brown) robbed an Amarillo grocery store run by Marie Surace, 60, and her 61-year-old husband Carmelo Surace.

During the course of the robbery, Ryan Dickson, just 17 days past his 18th birthday, shot Mr. Surace once in the chest. His wife was then shot in the face even though she had placed all the money from the store register on the counter for the robbers to take. The robbery netted $52 in cash and an undetermined amount of beer.

In both a taped and written statement, Ryan Dickson admitted to shooting both victims. All three of the others involved in the burglary also testified to that fact that Ryan was the shooter.

There is no doubt about Ryan’s guilt.

And yet it has still taken nearly 13 years for justice to be served.

If the crime had been committed 17 days earlier, he would now be serving a life sentence, despite the fact that he would have known right-from-wrong and the consequences of his actions just as clearly 17 days earlier.

From the Texas Attorney General of Texas:

Ryan also has an extensive juvenile record, including burglary and an aggravated assault when he attacked one of his caretakers with a knife.

Some people are just no good, and the world is a better place without them. Ryan Dickson is one of those people.

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UPDATEHe’s dead:

His final words:

I am sorry for what I did and I take responsibility for what I did. I am responsible for them losing their mother, their father, their grandfather and grandmother,” he said from the gurney. “I never meant for them to be taken.

Never “meant for them to be taken” [killed]? What did he “mean to happen” when he shot Marie Surace in the face?

131 Responses to “Ryan Dickson: Scheduled for Execution Tonight in Texas”

I’m opposed to the death penalty, but I heard something interesting today. Can’t remember the exact figures, but in a recent poll, a pretty good majority of Americans believe Bin Laden should be executed if he’s caught. In same poll, Europeans would not execute him.

In this particular case, I also think he should be executed, because I believe there would be no end to the terrorist attacks if he was sitting in some U.S. prison. As a matter of fact, I heard the former head of the CIA Bin Laden group (can’t remember his name) say that we should never capture him..we should kill him on the spot if we ever get the chance again. I agree.

Michael Scheuer. Killed while trying to escape works for me. And the europeans were even too weenie to execute Franz Stangl, the commandant of the Sobibór and Treblinka death camps, and murderer of millions of innocent men, women, and children.

As a European (and proud of it) can I say in reply to the earlier e mail from KMA that most of us here in the UK and elsewhere in Europe are pleased and proud of the fact that we’ve manage to eliminate the death penalty - with all its horrors, blatent unfairness and ever present risk of miscarriage of justice - whilst STILL having rates of murder, gun crime and violence well below the high rates evident in the US. The US (and other such fine examples of death penalty countries like Iran and Iraq - what company!) provides no example to follow. We’ll do things our way, thanks.
MD, April 26th 2007

Right. You’re pleased and proud that you allowed a mass murderer of Jews to escape justice.

We’ll do things our way, thanks.

And we’ll do things ours. You don’t see Americans trolling european forums demanding that you change your laws and telling lies.

I was friends with Ryan when we were young and he did have a past but he didn’t deserve the miss treatment he got from friends and famly. He spent the best yeears of his life paying for a crime that he committed no on edenies that. But what I want to know is why is Jeremy Brown and Freddie Medinia still walking around living day to day lives. Ryans brother was also sent to prison for this crime and committed suicide. I think that the other two guys should serve time just as ryan and Dane did. Ryan deserves a little more respect than what he is getting. Most murderes get away with it and neverpay for what they do.At least he admits to his crime and is remorsful for what he did. I am sorry for the families of the victims but I am also sorry for Ryan and the friends that love him. He will be missed as he has been for all these years. He has crossed our minds everyday!!!

Most murderes get away with it and neverpay for what they do

Which means that those who do get caught should not be punished?? He brutally murdered two elderly people just to enter a gang. What makes you think that he would have any qualms about murdering you? As to the other two, it is my understanding they did not plan the robbery and murder, did not go into the store, and certainly didn’t shoot the old man in the chest and his wife in the face.

So the Europeans let a mass murderer escape did they? We could of course mention the blatent protection and support given by past US governments to Chile’s Pinochet and other mass murderers and torturers in Latin America and elsewhere. Slightly hypocritical I’d say.
There are of course numerous Americans who make comments on European websites. I think you’ll find that’s called free speech. As for ‘telling lies’, I think you’ll find that all I’ve said is completley true. It’s not my fault if you have problems finding answers when confronted by the truth.
MD

So the Europeans let a mass murderer escape did they?

You didn’t execute him. And the hypocrisy is all yours. I’m not defending any S.A. dictators. You on the other hand, are here defending a Nazi who murdered millions of Jews. The fact that you feel Pinochet’s crimes are equivalent to Stangl’s tells me your nuts. As to free speech, we have it. Europe – not so much. Again, I’m not trolling european forums demanding you reinstate the death penalty. You on the other hand, are on an American forum demanding that we abolish the DP and deluding yourself into believing we care what you and other weenies think.

Defienden la pena de muerte,justifican que estos criminales no merecen vivir. Nos recuerdan el dolor de las familias ,las victimas, ¿pero los ejecutados no tienen familia que siente el mismo dolor que ellos ? , ¿los ejecutados no son tambien victimas? . Ahi preso que se llevan una veintena de años en la carcel esperando la muerte, dia a dia pensando en ella para que al final le pongan una inyenccion letal como si fuera un perro qºue tubiera la rabia, me pregunto como la familia de las vistimas pueden precensiar las ejecuciones, ver morir a una persona ,ver el dolor y sufrimiento de la familia del preso y pensar que se ha hecho justicia . Un asesinato es el peor delito que una persona puede cometer , la justicia no puede castigalo con otro asesinato porque si hacen esto no son mejores que ellos ,aunque tengan la ley de su parte,si una persona mata a otra que lo metan en la carcel de por vida ,que piense dia a dia si merecio´la pena de destruir dos vidas , la suya yla de su victima .

He says he is taking responsibility yet in his interview with Michael Graczyk he blames the old man he shot.

He was executed today. Is the world a better place? No. Why bother.

He was executed yesterday. And yes, less murderers = world a better place.

well hell yes, the world is a better place.

Anytime we eliminate killers via execution, our world is a better place. If the United State of Texas could only encourage other liberal states in our great country to commence and frequent this final concequence of murder, our country would be much less violent.

LR

I was Ryan Dickson’s friend in 1994. He wasnt the monster all of you think he was. He was a liitle boy that all he knew was violence. When you are raised on the streets and are dealed that cards we where. you sometimes do things just to feel accepted and wanted when nobody eles wants you. Ryan was my friend and I dont beleive that he should have died. He had to live everyday with what he had done. I know he did not mean to kill these two people that night because he came to my house after it happened. He never ment to kill anybody. He may be dead but, in my heart he is never gone. I Love You Ryan Heath Dickson. Rest in peace………

no he did not do this crime to be entered into a gang, he said he was a member to a gang. he did the beer run that night and he had a gun that he was showing off to all “the homies” that night. He never ment to shoot anybody. Just like he said “he wanted to get drunk he had no money and they wanted to do a beer run.” Everyone of us have done something that went terribly wrong. This is Ryan’s. So for those of you that think he was walking around wanting to walk in and kill someone thats not even the case. He is the one who called the police the next morning after being scared all night, and turned his own self in. as far as killing YOU no he wouldnt this wasnt a plained crime.

Ryan was deeply sorry for what he did anyone of us that knew him can see that in his eyes when he talks about the case and anyone who doesn’t know him could see it too if they weren’t so blindsighted on the crime and killing someone. I am a criminal justice major in college and this is a topic that we discuss alot an dif someone is raised in an enviroment it is a fact that they are more likely to comitt a crime of these sorts because it is the norm for them. Violence was an everyday thing in Ryan and Danes life so this was normal for him. Jeremy and Freddie are just as guilty as Ryan they were there and they left with Ryan after it happened. So they fled the scene of the crime instead of staying and calling the cops. Yes, he needed to be in prison for this crime, maybe even for the rest of his life but to be put to death and die alone for a crime that four boys comitted in some way is ot fair. All of the boys should be doing some kind of time. The only reason they are not is because they said what the DA and the police wanted them to say. Yes Ryan will always live in the hearts of his TRUE friends the ones who belive him and remember the guy he was before his life ended. Now Ryan it is over and you can rest your head. RIP Sleepy your nickname fits good now!!

He wasnt the monster all of you think he was.

Didn’t say he was a monster. Said he was a cold blooded multiple murderer.

He had to live everyday with what he had done.

Only because he was caught and was forced to pay the consequences of his actions.

He never ment to kill anybody.

Buy a clue. Sawing off a rifle to make in concealable, entering a store to rob it, shooting the owner in the chest, and the wife in the face means he meant to kill the Suraces.

no he did not do this crime to be entered into a gang, he said he was a member to a gang.

Right. He murdered two people to impress his fellow gangbangers. Is that you’re idea of mitigation?

Everyone of us have done something that went terribly wrong.

I’ve never committed armed robbery or murder.

So for those of you that think he was walking around wanting to walk in and kill someone thats not even the case.

See above. Plus, the jury and numerous appelate courts ruled otherwise.

I am a criminal justice major in college and this is a topic that we discuss alot an dif someone is raised in an enviroment it is a fact that they are more likely to comitt a crime of these sorts because it is the norm for them.

Millions of people grow up in the same or worse environment and do not commit crimes, let alone murder.

I have never been able to understand how civilized, supposedly intelligent people can spout such sentiments of support for the purposeful murder of a fellow human. Do they not ponder the nature of vengence and the teachings about compassion and forgiveness at the heart of most religions? I am always horrified by appearance of delight and approval displayed by these indivduals. Socially approved method of releasing the lowest forms of aggression for those you refuse to think So easy for them to judge. They display the crudest forms of behavior and are happy and proud of it. These fundamentalist down there represent the opposite of anything Christian ignoring the teachings of Christ and feeling self-righteous and proud about their state of ignorance. God save us from these people so eager to judge and kill their fellow humans.

to the guy above (bruce fisher) thank you for saying what you did, ive been trying to think of what to say and you have already say it!

KMA - your comments baffle me!

“He had to live everyday with what he had done.

Only because he was caught and was forced to pay the consequences of his actions. ”

he didn’t get caught, as his friend said he handed himself in the day after and yes he did pay the consequences!

i totally understand what ryan did was undeniably wrong but how can you condone the murder of him, surely in some ways that can make you a murder?? your saying its ok for someone’s life to be taken away!

for such a forward country some of your ways are backwards…

i don’t understand how such a christian country can allow the death penalty.

Hey, Bruce! If we were so eager to judge and execute murderers, we wouldn’t give them 10-30 years of appeals. God save us from people like you who deny the truth.

KMA - your comments baffle me!

I expect logic and facts to baffle most antis.

he didn’t get caught, as his friend said he handed himself in the day after. . .

A woman saw them run from the store and the police were able to track him down. If he did turn himself in, I would have been more impressed if he did so before he murdered to innocent elderly people.

Prosecutors said Ryan Dickson told authorities he hoped the killing would earn him a teardrop tattoo to impress his colleagues in a gang known as the Varrio 16 Locos. Sort of defeats the meme that the didn’t go into the store to murderer.

i totally understand what ryan did was undeniably wrong but how can you condone the murder of him, surely in some ways that can make you a murder?? your saying its ok for someone’s life to be taken away!

Murder is an unlawful killing. I condone the lawful execution of him after he was afforded a fair trial and ten years of appeals.

for such a forward country some of your ways are backwards…

Same to you, euroweenie!

i don’t understand how such a christian country can allow the death penalty.

No, you understand it. You just don’t agree with it. Not our problem.

While in a group home, the little $hithead assaulted a female counselor, stabbed a male counselor in the stomach and goes on to murder Marie and Carmelo Surace. According to the DA who tried him, at the time of the murderers he already had 100 criminal offenses to his name. And in December 2006, he stabbed a correctional officer in the eye. What a sweetheart.

Ryan was my homie til death. And through him I seen first hand what a bad decision may do to a person .And he felt guilty because conviction is in all our concious but only comes out when you know you done wrong.God put conviction in us all .I am happy that his suffering is over. We may shed a tear for him but lets be fair and keep the victims in our hearts too. After all they were minding their own”business” when the demons steered my friends to the crime scene. I agree that those other 2 punks that walked away from the scene without letting authorities know what just occured. They to0 shall face god in the higher court. to me he served a purpose, and that was to learn from his mistake. Let me get the record straight he didnt need a tatoo tear ,for his tears were shed deep in his heart. How would you feel if you went to hug your mom, instead of a hug he got slapped and told i dont care where you sleep 2nite just not here.R.I.P homie love always, tu camarada Thrucha. Ill see you in heaven cause knowing you I know you prepared your self for the one way trip. chingos de amor y respecto homeboy.

For his bro Dane . Be strong little homie for you hurt most of all.We will never understand why , but at least the worst is over .For all you people W/ little brains that are happy my homie is no longer here.Your time will come too.For the families of the victims I understand why your feeling the way you are, but lets forgive and move on. RYAN HEATH DICKSON aka SLEEPY.Your sentence has been carried out .We shall remain strong and through you, we will be who we are ,and you know who we are. Love you bro. On behalf of the REAL HOMIES who would never pass you up or “snitch ” on you. we all will remember you may you be with god almighty.

To all those who lie and say Dickson turned himself in, after murdering two people, he felt so bad he went out and got something to eat and was partying when he was arrested by the police.

First you berate the other two present for “walking away from the scene without letting authorities know what just occurred.” Then you commend those who would never “snitch.”

You need to get your bull$hit bada$$ schtick straight. lol!

That jail cell was freedom from the pain in your home.Hatred passed on, and passed on, and passed on. Its a world of violent rage but its rage that you recognized. Having never seen the color of your fathers eyes.Yes you dwelled in hell, but it was hell that you could gripyou tried to grip your family but you slipped. “Rage Against The Machine”Now lets move on and let god handle up.You were a tool that god used to bring the Suraces to their eternal paradise. And for that everyone involved is in a better place.Dane still mourns your loss so do I . but its time to let god. I will forever miss you . Its still hard to believe your gone. Aye te Watcho Gavacho Macho BKA homieAKA SLEEPY

Im not saying they should have snitched . im just saying why they re walking without being charged.

Charged with what? They didn’t brag about murdering anyone before the murders. They didn’t obtain a weapon. They didn’t enter the store. They didn’t shoot anyone. They didn’t aid and abet the murders before, during, nor after the fact.

You were a tool that god used to bring the Suraces to their eternal paradise.

That’s sick. Guess you never heard the concept of free will, huh?

i guess you set me straight . god loves you huh.

I love living in the reddest of states! :)

WAY TO GO, TEXAS!!!

I have been involved in a Christian prison ministry for almost 2 years. I have been so blessed by some of the inmates testimonies. People who end up prison obviously have issues and need help the most. Maybe childhood abuse as Ryan suffered, or drug problems. Teenagers do stupid things that when they become adults and have grown up, they regret and have remorse for. Like every single one of us who were teenagers once, we have all made poor choices. I can tell you pro death penalty people that only Jesus Christ has the right to take a life, not the courts. What if Ryan became a Christian while he was locked up and was able to help someone else find the lord? That future inmate will have missed that oportunity with Ryan because Texas loves to kill. KDOL radio in livingston Texas is near the Polunsky Prison, and did a special show the night before Ryans murder just for Ryan to hear on his radio. I called in and gave Ryan a little message as I cried. I told him I, a stranger from California had been praying for him for a long time, and God can forgive any sin. Criminals do deserve punishment, but we have no right to kill the criminals. I had an abortion when i was 16 that I have always regreted, am I not a murderer? I paid a hit man ( an abortion Dr) to kill my unborn child. Am I any better than Ryan because the courts said it was legal? no I am not! We need to focus on rehabilitating these children who commit crimes and know no other life but violence and pain, instead of locking them up and throwing them away. Obviously if Ryan had a long juvenile crime filled history, than Ryan had family issues as his friends can testify about. They knew him better than anyone. Ryan was a beautiful child that God loved as much as the poor victims that died. If it had been my parents murdered that night, I would want justice, and I would find more happiness in my heart knowing the killer had changed his heart and found Jesus, than for him to die with a demon in his heart. God Bless you all and please try and find it in your hearts to have compassion. All life is precious.

Like every single one of us who were teenagers once, we have all made poor choices.

You mean choices like: Punching a counselor? Stabbing another counselor? Murdering two defenseless people? Nope, we have not all made poor choices. Your moral relativism is sickening.

I guess your “beautiful child” was doing Christian outreach when he stabbed the correctional officer in the eye a few months ago. You taught him so well. Get a new hobby.

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hey kma youve been bashing everyone, for their comments . maybe your the one that needs to be strapped to the gurney so you can show some heart.

Noone: Thanks for demonstrating your low intelligence. It’s just too damn easy poking holes in the arguments of you thug lovers who come here after every execution and try to make it a tribute site to murderers. Try not to murder anyone today, okay?

I have never seen such a bunch of bleeding heart liberals in my life. This little earth sack got just what he deserved, and it’s just too bad that he couldn’t have gotten it they way he did those two people.

He and his friends just left them there to bleed to death on the floor of that store. Imagine if that was your grand parents and what their final thoughts must have been before leaving this world.

And all this over a couple of twelve packs of beer.

Ya, this looser is in a better place where the worms will eat his rotting flesh. Imagine what the worms are doing to rotting decaying corpse right now.

Good riddence to the violent, murdering, looser piece of fecies.

The Judge from Houston County

i cant believe that some of you americans can actually think the death penalty is ok

That’s patently untrue. The majority of Americans think the death penalty is great!

i by chance on wednesday came across the ryan dickson case in texas andwas really shocked that as a young boy he did this and yet he was stillkilled.

Young boy??? He was an adult when he murdered two innocent people. And he was 30 when he stabbed a correctional officer in the eye.

it is terrible for the families of the poeple that he killedbut why an eye for an eye.

It makes it even. Also, it ensures that they never murder or assault anyone again.

for anexample it is said that poeople who are mentally ill are not executedbut i now know that this is not true-

I don’t know what you know except that you don’t know our laws:

A person who cannot distinguish between right and wrong at the time of the commission of a crime lacks the necessary mental intent for conviction and cannot be found guilty.

A person who can not understand the nature of the proceedings or assist his atty in his defense cannot stand trial.

A person cannot be executed unless he knows why he is on deathrow and the punishment he faces.

Jeesh, Natalie! Knock off using all caps. And especially stop with the “we all agree” crap. We don’t agree. As to Dickson’s age, the jury was allowed to consider it. Obviously, they felt it did not outweigh the aggravating factors of his crimes.

OH AND PS I AM SURPRISED THAT THE OWNER OF THIS BLOG HAS ALLOWED THAT HORRIBLE COMMENT ABOUT THE WORMS WHAT A NASTY THING TO SAY!

I would be more concerned about the blog owner allowing your all caps off topic posts if I were you. As far as worms go, unless you choose to be cremated, the worms will get us all.

You sound anti-semetic, Natalie. No surprise there. The government and private insurance spends billions every year on mental health services. But, since Ryan Dickson was not mentally ill, the issue is irrelevant. You should try to stay on topic.

EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION

But they are not entitled to their own facts.

First of all those of you who claim that MY BROTHER turned himself in the next day don’t know what the hell you are talking about. He turned himself in that night a few hours after the crime.

As for Dane, whichever one of you said he committed suicide is wrong, he did not. And that night he was taken into custody at one o’clock in the morning because our mother had to wake me up so the police could search my room for any evidence.

If you want the real facts try asking someone who was there, someone who actually lived through this. Instead of spreading a bunch of lies and rumors and talking smack, learn the truth. For those of you who supported his execution know that two wrongs don’t make a right and that our family has suffered as much through this as the other family has.

As for Freddy and Jeremy they should have spent time in prison too but they were given a free ride because they gave the DA what they wanted. If any of you actually followed the case then you would know that they both said in the beginning that Ryan had no intention of shooting them. It wasn’t until they were promised by the DA that they weren’t going to be charged that they started saying that crap about him planning to shoot them.

Let me tell you something, KILLING THE KILLER WON’T BRING THE VICTIM BACK. I may or may not have met some of you who call my brother Homie, but let me tell you all something about my brother and his real story.

Yes growing up in violence can make a person violent, but Ryan and Dane were not. They were troubled, they got in with gangs and drugs and made a mistake. Drugs did not make them violent, it made them lose their senses and drift into distortion. That’s what drugs do. And if you want to talk about murderers being punished then why don’t you talk to the state about arresting all of those real gang bangers who do drivebys and sell drugs or put guns in the hands of more and more children every day.

As for the person who they say my brother stabbed at the youth home, what they neglected to mention was the fact that the man was trying to molest my brother and he defended himself. Once again get the real facts from someone who was there before you start talking or typing. I don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for the situation but I would appreciate a little common courtesy as my brother is gone. You would all expect the same thing were is someone you loved that was dead.

For those of you who were true friends I want to say thank you for being there for him.

Once again get the real facts from someone who was there before you start talking or typing.

But you weren’t there when he stabbed the counselor. I obtained my facts from the court opinions. You are relying on what your brother told you. And Dickson has an excuse for everything:

He stabbed the guy because he was trying to molest him.
He blamed Carmelo Surace for getting shot.
Marie Surace was shot by accident.

Notice a pattern here? Nothing is ever his fault. As to testimony by the co-defendants, it was his own brother who gave the most damaging testimony.

euro weenie?? haha thats a good one KMA!

but im a rather proud brit, but there are things that my country do and laws i don’t totally agree with so im not totally blinkerd to think that my country is perfect…so bring on the negative comments!

to jasmin, you have had it rough and my heart does totally go out to you and your family! thanks for pointing out the true facts which will hopefully silence a few people!

my thoughts are with the victims family cos they have lost there parents and i can’t think of anything as worse, some horrible decisions were made that day which not ended two lifes and made one family suffer but took another and another family suffered two…and ryan had to live with this and that must have been hell, the whole situation is just unthinkable.

ryan has been punished and i hope all the people involved have found some kind of peace…

thanks for pointing out the true facts which will hopefully silence a few people!

Oh, jeesh! The “true facts” are those given under oath and subject to cross examination and reported in the court opinions – not the statements of family and penpals who are biased, ill-informed, and were not there.

and ryan had to live with this and that must have been hell,

Yeah, because nothing that happened was ever his fault. He still blamed the victims for their own deaths.

You people should take a clue from what the blog owner wrote: Some people are just no good, and the world is a better place without them. Ryan Dickson is one of those people. This is not a murderer tribute website.

Hi Jazz - I am friends with your aunt, De, and we have corresponded extensively about Ryan and his case. I want to say I am sorry for your loss as I believe, despite his record, that Ryan was a good person. He grew up in an awful environment and, although I do not condone his behavior or actions, I understand them. Ryan would probably tell you himself that he deserved to punished for what he did to the Suraces, but the death penalty? Texas has a long history of manipulating witnesses and facts to get a death penalty verdict, including sending innocent men to death row (see ‘The Thin Blue Line’ , or read Adams v Texas sometime). I am not saying Ryan was innocent (neither would he), but I do believe Ryan got caught up in the Texas death machine process, which explains why Freddy and Jeremy walked, and Dane got 15 years after testifying against his brother. This case clearly is not the worst of the worst (as the death penalty is supposed to be reserved for) and I don’t believe he intended to kill anyone when he went into the store (as Dane, Jeremy and Freddy testified initially to the cops before being threatened with capital murder by the DA).

The people on this board are a DAs wet dream because they do not research cases, locate actual case facts, analyze them, and determine their value in relation to the big picture. The death penalty is the brain surgery of the law because it is highly complex. Nobody, including lawyers like me, who have been around for years focused solely on these cases can understand why this case was not deserving of the death penalty. Rather, they hear sound bytes and swallow them hook-line-and-sinker as if it were the gospel. Nevermind looking to other death penalty cases and comparing facts to determine whether the punishment was appropriate. If they had heard the testimony from your family in the mitigation phase regarding Ryan’s childhood, I am confident their tune would change. In fact, they trial jury themselves asked the judge what the minimum amount of time Ryan would be in prison if they gave him life (which the judge refused to answer). They then came back with death … which tells me they wanted Ryan locked up for a long time, but did not want to give him death either. It was more of a last resort.

The people on this board are a DAs wet dream because they do not research cases, locate actual case facts, analyze them, and determine their value in relation to the big picture.

But, if we were stupid we would be a defense attorney’s wet dream. And, to you the big picture is that you don’t believe the death penalty should be imposed under any circumstances. So, all the case research, case facts, analysis is irrelevant to you.

The jury heard the testimony about his crappy home life and did not feel it outweighed the aggravating factors. For you to stretch an improper question to the court into the jury didn’t want to recommend death is quite a speculative argument and one guaranteed to fail.

Defense attorneys always like to say the dp is reserved for the worse of the worse. However, they never seem to come across one. Regardless, there are those of us who view the murder of two elderly people as the worse of the worse, as did the jury.

As to Dickson’s intent, his actions and words speak loudest. Two people ended up dead and he told the police he hoped the murders would earn him a gang tattoo.

KMA - Nice conclusory analysis. You make my point(s) for me. Thank you.

1. “But, if we were stupid we would be a defense attorney’s wet dream. ” Really, how is that?
2. “And, to you the big picture is that you don’t believe the death penalty should be imposed under any circumstances.” Really, where did I say that?
3. “So, all the case research, case facts, analysis is irrelevant to you.” Really, where do I say that? I was there. Were you?
4. “The jury heard the testimony about his crappy home life and did not feel it outweighed the aggravating factors. ” Really, were you on the jury? Were you present for the trial? Please tell us all how you know what the jury felt. Did you poll the jurors?
5. “For you to stretch an improper question to the court into the jury didn’t want to recommend death is quite a speculative argument and one guaranteed to fail.” LMAO, what?????????????????
6. “Defense attorneys always like to say the dp is reserved for the worse of the worse. However, they never seem to come across one. Regardless, there are those of us who view the murder of two elderly people as the worse of the worse, as did the jury.” Actually, people like you view everything in a vacuum. There are cases that deserve the death penalty, this is not one of them and a polling of jurors revealed that (but you already knew that because you know how they felt since you were there).
7. “As to Dickson’s intent, his actions and words speak loudest. Two people ended up dead and he told the police he hoped the murders would earn him a gang tattoo. ” Really, how do you know he said he hoped the murders would get him a tattoo? Were you there when he was interrogated? Better yet, maybe you would like to tell us what the cops said at trial about the veracity of that statement. The reality is the state had to manufacture intent by coercing eyewitness testimony from Dane, Freddy and Jeremy.

KMA - on his last statement did he blame the victims? no i don’t think he did.

i never actually said it wasn’t his fault and again from his last statement he did say it was his fault…

you don’t know what happened yourself as you wasn’t there either!

what ryan did was wrong and no body is saying that it wasn’t but we don’t believe that the DP is the right way of punishing!

you clearly do but i don’t…simple as.

i think his sister knew him alot better than you do, she is going to be hurting and speak out for her brother and how can you argue against what she said about the incident where he was getting molested? do you know any reason against it? if it is true then why should he not fight against this person.

KMA - Nice conclusory analysis. You make my point(s) for me. Thank you.

No, you made my point(s) for me. Thank you!

1. Oh come on! You know it’s true. The defense always wants the jurors who believe that martians can come down and eat the cherry pie; that there is another explanation for snow on the ground other than it snowed, etc. lol!

2. “And, to you the big picture is that you don’t believe the death penalty should be imposed under any circumstances.” Really, where did I say that?

It’s in the subtext of your fantasy about DA wetdreams. Are you stating that you do not oppose the death penatly? In which cases have you advocated for its imposition?

3. “So, all the case research, case facts, analysis is irrelevant to you.” Really, where do I say that? I was there. Were you?

No matter what the facts, law, analysis you think it should not be imposed. Be man enough to admit it.

4. “The jury heard the testimony about his crappy home life and did not feel it outweighed the aggravating factors. ” Really, were you on the jury? Were you present for the trial? Please tell us all how you know what the jury felt. Did you poll the jurors?

The jury came back guilty and a recommendation for death. Live with it.

5. “For you to stretch an improper question to the court into the jury didn’t want to recommend death is quite a speculative argument and one guaranteed to fail.” LMAO, what?????????????????

LMAO. Now, you are just playing dumb.

6. “Defense attorneys always like to say the dp is reserved for the worse of the worse. However, they never seem to come across one. Regardless, there are those of us who view the murder of two elderly people as the worse of the worse, as did the jury.” Actually, people like you view everything in a vacuum. There are cases that deserve the death penalty, this is not one of them and a polling of jurors revealed that (but you already knew that because you know how they felt since you were there).

Oh, this is one of them, alright. He murdered two innocent people. The jurors recommended death. The sentence was upheld on appeal. Live with it.

7. “As to Dickson’s intent, his actions and words speak loudest. Two people ended up dead and he told the police he hoped the murders would earn him a gang tattoo. ” Really, how do you know he said he hoped the murders would get him a tattoo? Were you there when he was interrogated? Better yet, maybe you would like to tell us what the cops said at trial about the veracity of that statement. The reality is the state had to manufacture intent by coercing eyewitness testimony from Dane, Freddy and Jeremy.

Right everybody is lying. The gun accidently went off - not once, but twice! And you wonder why defense attys have some a bad reputation for veracity.

KMA - on his last statement did he blame the victims? no i don’t think he did.

After the IV was started. A little late, don’t you think? Prior to that and in his interview with Michael Grazyck (sp) he blamed the victims.

you don’t know what happened yourself as you wasn’t there either!

Nope, but I make the effort to read the opinions which contain facts from the trial and his own statements.

what ryan did was wrong and no body is saying that it wasn’t but we don’t believe that the DP is the right way of punishing!

Read this thread. A lot of people are making lame excuses for his conduct or blaming the victims. (a number of posts have been deleted because of this.)

you clearly do but i don’t…simple as.

That’s right. So for anti-dp people to argue that this case didn’t deserve the dp when they believe no case deserves the dp is disingenuous at best.

i think his sister knew him alot better than you do, she is going to be hurting and speak out for her brother and how can you argue against what she said about the incident where he was getting molested? do you know any reason against it? if it is true then why should he not fight against this person.

Well, that’s debatable. He was in jail most of his life. The stabbing was used as an aggravating circumstance. There is no evidence except his sister’s say so which I assume she got from Dickson that this occurred. The counselor was never charged with molestation. Considering that Dickson already assaulted another counselor and that he blamed the Surace’s for their own murderer, there is no reason to believe anything he said. He was a sociopath, plain and simple.

1. “Oh come on! You know it’s true. The defense always wants the jurors who believe that martians can come down and eat the cherry pie; that there is another explanation for snow on the ground other than it snowed, etc. lol!”

Yeah, okay. That is what I am advocating. My questions was: “why would a stupid jury be a wet dream for the defense?”

2. “And, to you the big picture is that you don’t believe the death penalty should be imposed under any circumstances.” Really, where did I say that?

It’s in the subtext of your fantasy about DA wetdreams. Are you stating that you do not oppose the death penatly? In which cases have you advocated for its imposition?

I do not oppose the DP. In fact there are cases where it may be appropriate (e.g. John Couey). However, if you are going to let a jury decide, don’t apply it randomly and arbitrarily across the country. There should be a clear set of criteria, instead of having everyone in the DP system guessing what the criteria is in applying it, including the jury.

3. “So, all the case research, case facts, analysis is irrelevant to you.” Really, where do I say that? I was there. Were you?

No matter what the facts, law, analysis you think it should not be imposed. Be man enough to admit it.

Again, my question was: “Really, where do I say that? I was there. Were you?”

4. “The jury heard the testimony about his crappy home life and did not feel it outweighed the aggravating factors. ” Really, were you on the jury? Were you present for the trial? Please tell us all how you know what the jury felt. Did you poll the jurors?

The jury came back guilty and a recommendation for death. Live with it.

Again, my question was: “Really, were you on the jury? Were you present for the trial? Please tell us all how you know what the jury felt. Did you poll the jurors?”

5. “For you to stretch an improper question to the court into the jury didn’t want to recommend death is quite a speculative argument and one guaranteed to fail.” LMAO, what?????????????????

LMAO. Now, you are just playing dumb.

Again, my question was: “What?” What are you trying to say here?

6. “Defense attorneys always like to say the dp is reserved for the worse of the worse. However, they never seem to come across one. Regardless, there are those of us who view the murder of two elderly people as the worse of the worse, as did the jury.” Actually, people like you view everything in a vacuum. There are cases that deserve the death penalty, this is not one of them and a polling of jurors revealed that (but you already knew that because you know how they felt since you were there).

Oh, this is one of them, alright. He murdered two innocent people. The jurors recommended death. The sentence was upheld on appeal. Live with it.

Yeah, you don’t view anything in a vacuum do you?

7. “As to Dickson’s intent, his actions and words speak loudest. Two people ended up dead and he told the police he hoped the murders would earn him a gang tattoo. ” Really, how do you know he said he hoped the murders would get him a tattoo? Were you there when he was interrogated? Better yet, maybe you would like to tell us what the cops said at trial about the veracity of that statement. The reality is the state had to manufacture intent by coercing eyewitness testimony from Dane, Freddy and Jeremy.

Right everybody is lying. The gun accidently went off - not once, but twice! And you wonder why defense attys have some a bad reputation for veracity.

My questions was: “Really, how do you know he said he hoped the murders would get him a tattoo? Were you there when he was interrogated? Better yet, maybe you would like to tell us what the cops said at trial about the veracity of that statement. The reality is the state had to manufacture intent by coercing eyewitness testimony from Dane, Freddy and Jeremy. “

I cant believe their are so many people , who sit around and talk about other people.If you care so much why dont yall get off your fat rumps and start doing.Much respect to Jasmin I knew your bro well. [rest of comment deleted by Robbie]

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1. Because they can’t apply the law and facts and you only need one to hang the jury. You know that. Don’t make me state the obvious.

2. Let the jury decide? We have to let the jury decide, you know that. And there are a clear set of criteria, you know that, too. Both are the results of defense atty advocacy. But since you don’t really believe the dp should ever be imposed, it is never enough.

3. Were you? Was the court of appeal? Was the 5th District? Was the ussc?

4. Did the jury not recommend death? Did they have their fingers cross when they came back and the verdict was read? Before they were released by the court were they asked if this was their verdict and said no? Didn’t think so.

5. Reread my answer. It is in plain english.

6. Yeah, you don’t view anything in a vacuum do you? I choose not to forget the Suraces. Something, antis only pay lipservice to.

7. Is he denying that statement? Just add it to the other whoppers he has told. Everybody is lying. The gun went off accidently - twice ! The jury heard the evidence, they found him guilty of the crime and found the aggravating factors outweighed the mitigating factors. The reviewing courts upheld the verdicts. Live with it.

Micah,

Dane Dickson (ryan’s brother) did not commit suicide, he’s still in prison and is scheduled to be released in Nov. 2009.

KMA - We have a diet plan for you. Come see us today. Don’t walk, RUN!!!!!

There should be a clear set of criteria, instead of having everyone in the DP system guessing what the criteria is in applying it, including the jury.

Dean — as a lawyer you probably know that there is a clear set of criteria as to when the death penalty is appropriate.

Currently, only the crime of “capital murder” is eligible for the death penalty in Texas.

The following crimes (all of which involve murder in some form) are considered capital offenses under Texas state law:

* Murder of an on-duty public safety officer or firefighter
* Murder in the course of committing or attempting to commit a felony offense (such as kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or retaliation, or terroristic threat)
* Murder for remuneration (both the person who does the actual murder and the person who hired them)
* Murder during prison escape
* Murder of a correctional employee
* Murder by a state prison inmate who is serving a life sentence for any of five offenses — murder, capital murder, aggravated kidnapping, aggravated sexual assault, aggravated robbery
* Murder while incarcerated with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination
* Multiple murders (at least two or more murders during the same “criminal act”, which can involve a series of events not taking place at the same time)
* Murder of an individual under six years of age
* Murder of a person in retaliation for or on account of the service or status of the other person as a judge or justice of the supreme court, the court of criminal appeals, a court of appeals, a district court, a criminal district court, a constitutional county court, a statutory county court, a justice court, or a municipal court.

Any person found guilty of these offenses will receive (for offenses in 2005 or thereafter) a minimum sentence of life imprisonment without parole (for offenses prior to 2005, the minimum sentence is life with the possibility of parole after 40 calendar years).

It’s pretty clear that Ryan was guilty of 1) Murder in the course of committing or attempting to commit a felony offense (armed robbery is a felony, by the way), and 2) Multiple murders (at least two or more murders during the same “criminal act”, which can involve a series of events not taking place at the same time).

It seems like the biggest reason for not executing Ryan is based on the fact that there is some question as to Ryan’s “intent” to murder prior to entering the store.

As you can see, there is no definition of capital murder which involves “intent”.

That Ryan is guilty of capital murder is unquestioned and undeniable. The penalty for capital murder in this state is death. I’m not sure how you are confused that it was aplied “randomly and arbitrarily” in this case.

Robbie, thanks. The previous comment with my name was not made by me but by someone using my name.

Dean:

1. Because they can’t apply the law to the facts and you only need one to hang. You know that. Don’t make me state the obvious.

2. Let the jury decide? We have to let the jury decide, you know that. And there are a clear set of criteria, you know that, too. Both are the results of defense atty advocacy. But since you don’t really believe the dp should ever be imposed, it is never enough.

3. Were you? Was the court of appeal? Was the 5th District? Was the ussc?

4. Did the jury not recommend death? Did they have their fingers cross when they came back and the verdict was read? Before they were released by the court were they asked if this was their verdict and said no? Didn’t think so.

5. Reread my answer. It is in plain english.

6. Yeah, you don’t view anything in a vacuum do you? I choose not to forget the Suraces. Something, antis only pay lipservice to.

7. Is he denying that statement? Just add it to the other whoppers he has told. Everybody is lying. The gun went off accidently - twice ! The jury heard the evidence, they found him guilty of the crime and found the aggravating factors outweighed the mitigating factors. The reviewing courts upheld the verdicts. Live with it.

Robbie - I do not dispute that your list of crimes makes a defendant eligible for the death penalty. What I dispute is the arbitrariness with which prosecutors decide to seek the death penalty, as well as the juries that determine whether a defendant should get the ulitmate punishment, that is random and arbitrary.

Intent in this case was the linchpin for the prosecution to seek the DP against Ryan. Unfortunately, the facts did not fit their theory of intent to kill when he entered the store so they coerced Freddy, Dane and Jeremy with a charge to capital murder to secure the neccesary testimony to establish intent to pursue their capital case. This is not an aberration in Texas or any other state. DNA in proving a capital case is one thing, coercing false eyewitness testimony is another. Apparently, nothing has been learned since Adams v Texas.

So, how you come to the conclusion that “the penalty for capital murder in this state is death” confuses me. Defendants charged with capital crimes get life all the time. It is not a summarily, pre-determined event that guilt equals death in a capital case. There are many procedural and mitigation factors that are glossed over on a case-by-case basis. If we are going apply the DP, lets at least make the application in imposing such punishment consistent across the board.

As to those who say he turned himself in, he was arrested in a car with his girlfriend and both had planned to leave immediately for California. It’s in the d*mn defense briefs, for crissakes.

Unfortunately, the facts did not fit their theory of intent to kill when he entered the store so they coerced Freddy, Dane and Jeremy with a charge to capital murder to secure the neccesary testimony to establish intent to pursue their capital case.

The defense had the opportunity to cross-examine on and argue this issue to the jury in both trials. Yet, both jurys rejected the argument and came back with guilty verdicts.

As you know, a prosecutors duty is to seek justice, not guilty verdicts. Engaging in prosecutorial misconduct to secure a conviction is never appropriate.

In any event, the issue here is not guilt, it is punishment. And had the judge answered the jurors’ question regarding how long Ryan would have spent in prison if given a life sentence (as is required by federal law), the jury poll indicated he would not have been given death.

As you know, the jury did not buy the defense story that the witnesses were coerced. No matter how many times you state or imply it, it does not make it true. It certainly didn’t convince either jury.

Even if defense attys tracked down jurors after the fact and browbeat them into making statements they thought would aid on review, it did not convince the appellate courts.

I find it difficult to believe that any sane juror, upon hearing that a life sentence does not really mean life, would want a Ryan Dickson on the streets ever again after he committed double homicide and stabbed a counselor. Also, after stabbing a prison guard, Dickson demonstrated he was a continuning threat.

Ryan’s crimes were committed prior to 2005, which meant that “Life” meant 40 years.

I too don’t believe that a jury would have thought, “oh, gee…he can be out and roaming the streets again…well, hell, I’d have voted for that instead if I had only known”.

Robbie - The jurors were polled and interviewed and that is exactly what they would have recommended, if they were told what “life” meant by the trial judge.

Once again, what you believe and what is fact are markedly different.

Dean — do you have a link or cite for that claim? It’d be interesting to read it in its full context.

Robbie, life means alot less than 40 years because they are eligible for early release. In fact that is what initially got me interested in the death penalty. A man inTexas murdered a teenage couple, raping the girl. He was sentenced to life, served 20 years, and upon release moved to where I lived and raped and murdered two women.

Again, I don’t believe for a second if the jury was told that after murdering two people and with his criminal history that they would have voted for Dickman to walk the streets again.

I am amazed by the short mindedness of people such as KMA.

MD gave you FACTS that you guys (the USA) have the death penalty, and you have a higher per capita violent crime (let alone homicide) record than us in the UK. The death penalty doesn’t work. Your maths of death penalty = less murders is ridiculous. You’re breeding them quicker than you can kill them!

Its your society that is at fault, and your a fool if you can’t see that.
The USA has the biggest class ridden society on earth. Some people are born poor to parents who are still children, they are given next to no education and then expected to earn a living to support themselves - they use drugs for an escape, or to puch to get more cash and the only way to do that is to get money - money that isn’t theres.
You have an almost laughable situation with your gun policy so what you are actually doing when you put the whole thing together, is producing killers even before they are born.

You idea that we should keep our noses out as we aren’t from this USA shows your absolute lack of education.
Whereas we in the UK can tell you another countries name outside of where we live, you people like you seem to the the USA IS the world! We can have a debate about your country as much as you can have a debate about ours - it is our right as citizens of this planet we call earth.

The major problem we have is people like KMA think that if we have an attitude where we are against the death penalty, we must be left wing wimps. Its a shame things have to be so black and white with some of these rednecks.
I am actually in favour of hard labour. That way, the criminal is paying back a debt. What debt are they paying back by costing you guys over £50 a day for over 15 years of there lives?

You need to open your eyes a bit KMA, your attitude causes this situation to happen in the first place!

Jonny

Another day; another euronut.

What an educated response!

I’m glad we came back when we did.

Jonny

What an educated response!

Thanks!

I’m glad we came back when we did.

If you are referring to leaving the US, we’re glad you left, too.

Jon — the death penalty is not intended to be deterrent to violent crime. It’s a punishment for violent crime.

Your logic implies that if we eliminated the death penalty, violent crime would decrease as a result. That conclusion doesn’t follow.

Your maths of death penalty = less murders is ridiculous. You’re breeding them quicker than you can kill them!

Your “maths” of no death penalty = less murders is even more ridiculous.

You’re breeding them quicker than you can kill them!

Its your society that is at fault, and your a fool if you can’t see that.

Many of our violent killers are not “breed” here, but rather cross our borders illegally. It’s not society’s fault — it’s the fault of the individual killers.

And despite all those evil, aweful, things about the US, we are still the greatest nation on this planet.

And people from all over the planet will go to extrordinary lenthgs, risking death, deportation, and jail time to get here.

Sounds like a horrible society to me.

You guys please! Ryan has paid his debt to society, let the man rest in peace!! It’s over, he’s paid the ultimate price, why are we even talking about this??? LET HIM REST IN PEACE!!!

why are we even talking about this???

Because the topic is the death penalty and he was executed. No one is forcing you to read this — and Dickson sure isn’t.

To any of you that say Ryan Dickson did not deserve to die; ask yourself this; have you ever cleaned your mothers blood from the floor ?? She was 60 years old and he shot her execution style.
Think about it; could you have the smell of the blood in your head every night and think he should live??
A sawed off shotgun for a beer run?? That’s the idea, get the beer and run…..
This was a needless tradgedy for all involved.

Hi Robbie,
I see your points, which are valid, and you have every right to be proud of your country.
I’m not suggesting that getting rid of the death penalty will reduce crime figures - if you want the honest truth, I think your country is too far gone in terms of having a solution to such an epidemic problem.

If your supporting the death penalty because you simply want to get rid of murderers, then go ahead. But your not solving the real problem are you? For every murderer you kill, ten will take their place.
Texas killed one person in 1982 - last year they killed 24. Does that tell you that the death penalty is working?
Your just killing more people.

Are you not interested in stopping murderers before they murder?

Jonny

And Im sorry, the US is certainly not the greatest nation on this planet.

Patriotism is one thing, but blind stupidity is a whole different ball game.

Jonny

Are you not interested in stopping murderers before they murder?

Who wouldn’t be? But in the history of mankind, nobody has yet to figure out a way to do this.

Just out of curiosity, what nation do you think is the greatest?

Why do you think that Texas is so harsh because of the death penalty??It is a punishment .

Do you know how much it costs to maintain a crimminal each year? They live better than the bulk of most americans. It is a sad place when we will educate, provide proper nutrition, clothing and housing for an individual who made a choice to kill. And we are leaving our elderly and children without medical care, housing and other necessities?

Maybe there are more people killed each year by the death penalty, but we also are a growing nation. Does it make more sense to spend millions of dollars each year to accomodate someone who would kill you if they wanted something you had? Sure lets try to rehabilitate them instead so that they can be set free to kill again and again, think about that it could be your loved one next time.

Fact is that no one really knows what happens in the mind of a killer. The truth is only known to them. What? Do you think that just because a murderer is on his way to the gurney that he is going to start telling the truth?? In the case of Ryan Dickson, only 4 people know the truth, 3 of them are now dead and Dane I am sure does not know how to tell the truth either. He turned on his brother to save himself.

Well said TM.

I’ve always maintained that whatever evil and unimaginable darkness is within a person that would allows them to look into the eyes of an innocent and harmless victim and then rape/torture/murder them in the most horrific manner — whatever it is within a person that allows them to do that, is something that doesn’t “go away”, or can be “rehabilitated” out of somebody.

In Ryan’s case, whatever sickness inside of him allowed him to look down the sawed-off barrell of a gun and then shoot an old lady in the face, was still in him the day he died. And that heartlessness would still have been within him if he would have ever been released from prison.

Whatever darkness in his soul allowed him to kill those two people that night would have allowed him to kill someone else, too.

Thankfully we’ll never have to find out if I was right.

It certainly allowed him to stab someone in the eye 12 years later.

I appreciate your comments KMA. You have certainly studied the facts of this case. It is good to see that someone gives the victims of this crime some compassion.

What the media failed to tell everyone is that Ryan left money all over the counter and floor that Mrs. Surace had thrown for him to take. Then money he did grab was used to buy snacks for he and his friends while they went and partied and “socialized ” with a girlfriend for the hours up until he was finally arrested. They also did not stress that when she was found, it was not a gun in her hand. She was clutching the telephone when he shot her in the head on her knees.

I saw an interview with him the day he was executed still placing blame on the store owner for confronting him. When you have a sawed off rifle in your chest you have no choice now do you?

As I see it there is no other choice but to sentence death upon those who choose death.

Right, because there continue to be no issues convicting defendants based solely on eyewitness testimony are there?

——

From the Houston Chronicle

A little more:

Since 2001, the board has recommended 13 pardons based on actual innocence, according to agency records. Perry has followed the recommendation in each case.

If he grants the request, it would be only the third pardon that was based on actual innocence but did not involve DNA evidence. Instead, the review of the Amezquita case hinges on the victim’s testimony.

Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal wrote to the board that he now is convinced that Amezquita “is actually innocent of the offense for which he was convicted” and asked the board to recommend a pardon to the governor.

Amezquita, a U.S. Army reservist with no prior criminal record, was arrested in 1998 and accused of severely beating Bingham at the Houston plumbing company where he worked, and which her family owned. His conviction was based primarily on her testimony.

Read the entire article here.

[comment edited by Robbie --- only to add a link to the story that Dean is citing. Also, I shortened the amount of what was copy and pasted here. If you want to read the entire story, follow the link.]

Let’s see: According to the news article another guy named gilbert that worked at the business had her phone number and subsequently was convicted of burglary, therefore, Amezquita should be pardoned? While, apparantly, the victim knew both of them, she identified Amezquita as the man who assaulted her.

Hi Robbie,
The greatest nation on earth? No such thing. Every nation is capable of some extraordinary brilliance at one time or another, but they more often not counter that with meaningless violence against other human beings.

And again, just because I am against the death penalty doesn’t mean I am against justice. Rehabilitation should be a goal one day but not before the murderer/criminal has paid his/her debt back to society.

I am personally in favour of the old style chain gangs. I know lots of manual jobs that need doing here in the UK that criminals could easily achieve WITHOUT PAY!
I have no time for this human right crap. Yes, we all have human rights, as long as we abide to live within the rules of what constitutes a human being. Killing another for greed is NOT human and therefore human rights should be put to onside for a while.

To be honest, my punishment for such criminals would possibly be harsher than the death penalty you guys are supporting!

Jonny

I love how the know it alls always make suggestions that we legally can’t implement. Smart.

Rehabilitation should be a goal one day but not before the murderer/criminal has paid his/her debt back to society.

Translation: He’s against lwop, too.

TM your comment about Dane turning or Ryan is complete bull. For you information Dane was told that he would get the maximum sentence of 40 years unless he testified for the DA. He said no. His attorneys spoke with Ryan about it and Ryan told them that Dane should take the deal because he didn’t want Dane to spend 40 years in prison. He wanted Dane to serve the least amount of time as possible since he didn’t commit the crime.

I’m so sick and tired of people calling Ryan a monster and saying that the world is so much better without him; his passing didn’t change the world any.

The only thing it changed was that his family lost him and the other family got their so called justice. Who’s justice. Who are any of us to judge anyone else. We aren’t a higher power who should get to say who lives or dies.

You say that Dane turned on Ryan to save himself and the truth of the matter is that Ryan, knowing that he was never going to be free again, told Dane that he wanted him to at least have some of his life left because he was the reason Dane was there in the first place.

Any of you who have younger brothers and sisters know that they like to hang out with you and do what you do.

In my brothers case Ryan was the only male role model Dane had and they have always been closer to each other than anyone else. They stuck together.

You all say Ryan was a monster but let me tell you about some real monsters, the men our mother had around. Every man our mother ever brought home was a monster. They were drunks and used drugs. They beat the crap out of our mom and us and she kept them around telling herself that it would change and it never did. The cycle just repeated with every man. One of them tried to kill all of us and then stalked us, now tell me who the monsters are. None of those men are in prison for beating, or molesting or any of the other things they’ve done to people in their lives. One man my mother was involved with molested his own daughter and accused Ryan of doing it to save himself. He was a monster, almost all the people she has brought around us were monsters. Ryan was not.

He made a mistake and mistake that, whether any of you believe it, could have happened to anyone. ANYONE!!!!.

He apologized for what he did and he paid the ultimate price for it. I’ve read all of these comments on here and each time I read one that says Ryan was a monster makes me want to scream. Have any of you thought about what this did to our family? NO. The only thing anyone ever thought about during this entire ordeal was his victims. No one wants to believe that our family has suffered too. We have.

Imagine for a moment that someone you love has committed this horrible crime, and just because you are related to them you are spit on and called the family of a psycho, you have to rearrange your entire life because it’s whats best for your family members victims. You and your life don’t matter anymore because someone in your family, someone you love does something wrong, your entire family is punished just to make them feel better. Imagine that.

Would you want that to happen to you? Would you like to hear people whisper about you, try to break into your house, do a drive by at your house or throw rocks at you because you’re related to that person. No you wouldn’t. I knew those people, and I’ve been sorry for what Ryan did since it happened because they were good people and no they didn’t deserve that but you can’t change the past all you can do is take it, learn from it, move on and do the best that you can to make sure that doesn’t happen again.

I’ve talked to people about how bad drugs and alchohol are all my life and more so since this happened. I’ve told people about the dangers of guns. I’ve talked to actual gang members, I’ve used my life’s experiences including this one to try and help other people not make the same mistakes. It’s sad to me that our society can’t or won’t do anything to get the drugs and guns out but it’s too important that people have the right to bare arms.

Tragedies like this can be avoided, they can be stopped, our society just won’t do anything. There are some who try but they are all put out. I have never liked guns and I don’t believe that people should be allowed to have guns in their homes, now I know people are going to say well how are we supposed to protect our families. I say it’s simple, it people weren’t allowed to own guns then criminals couldn’t get the guns to commit crimes with. Then you might say oh well what about cops guns, simple too, enforce a law that all their weapons are to be left at the station in an extremely high security locker that only the chief of that p0lice department knows. Yeah it may seem like an inconvience to those people but it would help to keep more people safe. Oh yeah they still can have knives and other things, we all have knives in our homes but the likelyhood of surviving a knife wound is far better than a gunshot wound.

I don’t care if people call me stupid or whatever they want to call me. I’ve been there, I’ve seen first hand what guns do and so have the other family, and so have so many others. I mean look at all the school shootings and all the murders. Just think about it people. You know there was a time when people were friendly and didn’t tell everyone to go f themselves and such. A time when people actually cared about other people and I don’t just mean caring about your family. I mean actually cared. Said hello to someone you didn’t know and asked them how their doing, held the door for someone as you walk out. Actually said thank you to a waitress or your doctor.

People think that those types of things don’t matter but they do, they really do.

If you walk past a person and you smile and say hello with no intentions except to say hello, whether they say hello back or anything, they will remember later and it will make them feel better. But don’t take my word for it, try it yourselves.

My brothers made their mistakes and they have both paid for them, Dane is still paying for it, but we and the other family have paid for it too. I tried once to speak with the other family and tell them I was sorry and they wouldn’t even speak to me, instead they called their attorney and told him that they were scared of me, a 13 year old girl, and that they didn’t want me to ever come near them again. I never spoke to them again and I never will because they wouldn’t even let me offer my condolences and don’t get me wrong I fully understand why but sicking the lawyer on a 13 year old girl was not appropriate.

And in case any of you are wondering why I haven’t said their name it’s because I’m not supposed to.

I love how the know it alls always make suggestions that we legally can’t implement. Smart.

What do you mean? I hope your not taking me literally KMA - I am saying that we must be able to find a happy medium. What’s wrong with hard labour? IF there is ever found to be a miscarriage of justice, then at least the sentence can be reversed. What you gonna do when they pardon a guy who’s just been executed?

Your system is PAYING for these guys to be on death row - that is ridiculous! Why can’t we impliment a system where the criminal pays back his debt to society? I know you have a lot of border jumpers in the USA, so why don’t you get the criminals doing the jobs that all the mexicans jump the border for? You’ll have solved two problems in one. There won’t be a need for the illegal mexicans and the criminals will be paying a debt back to society.

I find it funny that you think the death penalty is morally more legal than a modern day chain gang!

Jonny

You all say Ryan was a monster but let me tell you about some real monsters, the men our mother had around. Every man our mother ever brought home was a monster. They were drunks and used drugs. They beat the crap out of our mom and us and she kept them around telling herself that it would change and it never did. The cycle just repeated with every man.

This is my entire point.

In any case, a murder is a murder, but you will never get anywhere close to solving the problem unless you look at ‘why’ these young men turn to killing. You learn from your parents and your peers, and if you haven’t got good suroundings, you face an up hill struggle.

I was lucky enough to have a very good upbringing, and I look at kids today who are violent or are commiting crime and I think ‘Do you not know that this is wrong?’.

What is it that stops me from doing what these kids take great joy in doing?

That is the question.

And as long as you have a system where poor underprivileged families conitinue the circle of seeing hate and teaching hate, you will never get to the bottom of it. You’ll just continue to kill those who kill.

Jonny

I have never liked guns and I don’t believe that people should be allowed to have guns in their homes, now I know people are going to say well how are we supposed to protect our families. I say it’s simple, it people weren’t allowed to own guns then criminals couldn’t get the guns to commit crimes with.

This is a good point.
We have gun law here (the UK) that is sensible.
Yes, every now and again, someone gets killed by a gun (although VERY rare) and when it does happen, its is headline news throughout the country for weeks.
The problem with the USA is that it is simply accepted now. Its part of society. It isn’t a major news story.
That is incredible. To be so relaxed about gun crime and to make it a possibility that kids cango into schools and kill their fellow students is a society I am glad I left behind.

What is need in any situation like this is compassion.
In Ryan’s case, he accepted what he had done which is a good start, although he still owed a debt to society, and that debt should have been hard labour - and with every second of the day that passes, he can truely remorse about what he had done. Lets not forget the victims families here - they need to gain their justice also.

Jonny

Jasmin no one ever said you have not suffered. The topic here is the death penalty.

The fact of the matter is that your brother made a choice; two juries (24) different people sentenced him to death. The family had nothing to do with it, they did not want to be there either. Let’s leave the victims and their families out of this.

You are speculating that they wanted”justice”.You make them sound like a lynch mob, PLEASE do not do that. Your brother gave no warning, did not ask them if they wanted to be a party to this crime, he made his decision and it has devastated everyone invovled. Until you have walked in their shoes you cannot comment on how they feel.

As for the remark about the attorney and the family initiating him or anyone else saying anything to you about it; understand this- the victims family are instructed not to talk either. They are also told not to react to anything they hear or see in court. They can’t cry, they can’t get angry, they are told to be emotionless and keep their mouth shut.

You seriously need to understand that this crime has changed everyone’s lives for the worse. Blaming your mother does not work here. Have you killed anyone yet?? You lived in the same household, lived under the same conditions. Are you implying your mother should have been executed becuase she made poor decisions that made her son commit capital murder??

That is what you need to ask yourself. What else could the jury have decided ?He did it, he confessed and he continued to prove himself dangerous even while incarcerated. The death penalty has been put in place as a punishment for the most horrendous offenses. What should we do, put them in timeout??
The subject is the death penalty .

TO JASMINE…… Please read

Ryan was my husbands half brother, they have the same dad… 10 years ago Allen Hendricks( ryans dad) whom he never met told me of my husbands half brother and asked me to find him, not knowing he was on death row in Texas, not knowing where he was at all… After 2 years of searching by accident I found Ryan, but in the last place I exspected, I talked to a girl on the phone just by accident fait you might say, a phone number I got from information in texas with the last name dickson, no realtion to Ryan and she said she knew who he was and he was on death row, from there I ended up getting Ryans address in prision and my husband finally got to talk to his brother, we sent pictures of us and pictures of his father whom he never met. By the grace of God, Scotty was able to talk to Ryan on the phone for the first time ever 10 minutes before he was executed while he was already on the gurny. Jasmine please contact us we would love to hear from you and hear about Ryan, My email is momie_2bee@yahoo.com OR churchfest@yahoo.com

I also want to say from the moment we communticated with Ryan he addmitted to the crime, I truly believe he was sorry for what he had done. While I agree that being abused at a young age is no excuse for taking someones life I do believe it can lead a person ecspecially males to lead a life less desired, the irony here as well is that Ryans father, allan was also sent to prison for robbery of a convient store about the same age…

Here’s a reply to TM’s last statement, it’s kind of late, but I was busy taking care of my brother:

You have got to be retarded telling me I need to understand this case. There isn’t anyone on this blog who understands it more than I do. And no this hasn’t changed everyone’s lives, just their family and mine.

They did want justice; I was there the day one of the children said it. Yes I grew up in the same house being beaten nearly every day and no I’ve not committed any crimes. You have to realize some people are different and I’m one of them. First of all Ryan and Dane took care of me when they were home. They protected me as much as they could and told me it was okay. They are a large part of why I didn’t turn to gangs and crime. That was their outlet, their way of finding someone to love and love them back. Having just their little sister wasn’t enough.

You see it’s commonly known that girls mature faster and that boys need a male role model more than a girl does. Ryan and Dane didn’t have that. They were my male role models and I learned from their mistakes. I didn’t run the streets as they did, I was a little girl and I wasn’t about to become one of those kids on the missing posters just to get away from our mother.

As for those 24 different people, one person from the first jury knew who Ryan was before the trial and that one person just happened to sit there and talk to a few of the people from the second jury about the case. That’s called a biased jury yet the judges didn’t do anything about it. Although one judge did say that Ryan should not only get a new trial but a venue change although it was never done.

As for their lawyer, when I tried to speak to them, it was more than a year before the court proceedings ever started so that don’t talk to anyone shit didn’t apply.

As to the abuse suffered in our household and the type of mother we have, don’t make assumptions because you have no clue whatsoever. For instance I’m sure that none of you know that when Ryan was 10 our mother stabbed him in the head with a butcher’s knife and then dragged him by his hair to the bathroom and threw him into a tub full of boiling water, I was four at the time but I remember it vividly, the water in the tub turning completely red a few seconds after she threw him in there. Or that she tried to boil him in a pot when he was a baby. Just like I’m sure you didn’t know that she was the main reason none of us had our fathers, because they all saw first hand how psycho she really is.

She tried to strangle Dane when he was 12, stabbed me in the arm with a steak knife when I was 9, beat me all over my body with a broom until it broke.

Now you just try and tell me that Ryan didn’t have mental problems, oh but wait I have reports from SCAN in Arkansas and from school counselors stating that his mental state was unstable and that is part of the reason he was put in that home when he was 14.

Oh and as to Ryan’s juvenile record, yes he stole the babysitters car, why?, to get away from the lunatic because he was beating Ryan and Dane. The bikes he was accused of stealing, his friend Chris and his little brother Cody were the ones who came up with the idea and they all took them; I was there when they planned it, Chris and Cody’s mother was one of our other lunatic drug addict babysitters.

Gee I could go on and on but I think maybe you got the point. As for that crap about the tear tattoo, that was bull too because if any of you had read up on this, according to some people Ryan had killed someone in Houston while living on the streets which would have earned him his tear drop, if it were true.

As for the Death Penalty, I DO and DON’T support it. I do not believe that every case in which the death penalty has been given is deserved. For people who are sociopathic, psychopathic, homicidal maniacs, like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson YES, but not for people who were under the influence of narcotics, or alcohol because their senses are impaired.

And I believe that people who are truly insane should face their crimes, not just get sent to mental hospitals because they aren’t paying for the things they’ve done. Ryan paid for what he did and whether any of you can see past the lies and bullshit, it was horrible mistake that changed a lot of lives.

Now wrap your mind around this, if the LAW had done anything to help any of us get away from our psycho mother then this wouldn’t have happened. My brothers could have got the help they needed and things would be different now but NO the LAW did nothing. They left us there even after TEXAS SOCIAL SERVICES came to my school and took pictures of my body with bruises from head to toe. They did nothing. My mother was arrested more than a year after she had beat me with that broom.

Dane is the one who told the school counselors what our mother had done. It took more than a year for the LAW to do anything, they didn’t even try to prevent the abuse. They say they want to stop kids from doing bad things like killing people and yet when those kids need them they don’t do a damn thing. They didn’t do anything in Arkansas and they didn’t do anything in Texas.

I got myself out of Texas and away from our mom when I was 15, with some help from Ryan’s first attorney and his P.I. They drew up custody papers for my mom to sign me over to another family member and I told my mother that she could either sign them or I would sue her for child abuse and get myself emancipated and she signed them and her exact words as she signed them, “I knew I should have gotten the abortion with all you kids, then my life wouldn’t have been so fucked up and I’ll be damned if I’ll let you sue me for MY MONEY!!!”

Then she told me to get the fuck out. So now you all have some real sense of what we grew up with. They got in trouble to get away from her because the LAW wouldn’t do anything to help us with that unless we got into trouble. What a picture perfect piece of crap Justice System Texas really has huh?

Now back to the Death Penalty, it should just be done away with. It doesn’t solve any crime