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		<title>By: miket</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-64975</link>
		<dc:creator>miket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>24 months ago in a small Minnesota town, a mentally unstable student murdered and wounded 14 students before killing himself (my April 2005 weblog posting www.invisiblechildren.org/weblog)



Jeff Weise also kept an outrageous website openly referencing homicide and suicide. Jeff was also denied treatment and prescribed Prozac*. After the carnage, Red Lake community found the money for a mental health family center to counsel troubled youth. 




At that time in Minnesota there were 15 child psychiatrists in the entire state (population about 4 million) and the student to counsellor ratio in MN high schools was 900 to 1.



As a child advocate (long time guardian ad Litem) I strongly feel the need for mental health therapy for those who need it. The children I work with have been severely traumatized and need adequate attention paid to their needs. 






In my many years as a guardian ad-Litem it has been my experience that at risk children don&#039;t get help until after their behaviors have become unmanageable and dangerous. Often the help they get comes in the form of a pill and not the personal professional counselling that they really need.





A Hennepin county judge has shared with me the psychotropic drug medications being taken by children in her courtroom. It is truely unbelievable how many disturbed and undertreated youth walk among us.





When attention to mental health services comes earlier, our communities can save themselves from the immense suffering that follows these horrific events.

* Not too many years from now it is my hope that we will recognize the repercussions of legally drugging people (especially children)  with psychotropic medications without adequate mental health services. Today we can only read about these consequences in the newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24 months ago in a small Minnesota town, a mentally unstable student murdered and wounded 14 students before killing himself (my April 2005 weblog posting <a href="http://www.invisiblechildren.org/weblog" rel="nofollow">http://www.invisiblechildren.org/weblog</a>)</p>
<p>Jeff Weise also kept an outrageous website openly referencing homicide and suicide. Jeff was also denied treatment and prescribed Prozac*. After the carnage, Red Lake community found the money for a mental health family center to counsel troubled youth. </p>
<p>At that time in Minnesota there were 15 child psychiatrists in the entire state (population about 4 million) and the student to counsellor ratio in MN high schools was 900 to 1.</p>
<p>As a child advocate (long time guardian ad Litem) I strongly feel the need for mental health therapy for those who need it. The children I work with have been severely traumatized and need adequate attention paid to their needs. </p>
<p>In my many years as a guardian ad-Litem it has been my experience that at risk children don&#8217;t get help until after their behaviors have become unmanageable and dangerous. Often the help they get comes in the form of a pill and not the personal professional counselling that they really need.</p>
<p>A Hennepin county judge has shared with me the psychotropic drug medications being taken by children in her courtroom. It is truely unbelievable how many disturbed and undertreated youth walk among us.</p>
<p>When attention to mental health services comes earlier, our communities can save themselves from the immense suffering that follows these horrific events.</p>
<p>* Not too many years from now it is my hope that we will recognize the repercussions of legally drugging people (especially children)  with psychotropic medications without adequate mental health services. Today we can only read about these consequences in the newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63943</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another psychotic, narcisstic rant from Cho-mal.  No surprise there.  Note how everyone avoids you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another psychotic, narcisstic rant from Cho-mal.  No surprise there.  Note how everyone avoids you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63915</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok anon, you are absolutely no good to any one.  Assuming you support the pro-gun lobby, you do them no favours.  You are quite immature, I don&#039;t know whether this is due to your actual age or your mental age.  Either way you offer nothing to this argument

Anyone supporting current U.S. gun legislation should feel guilty the next time anyone is shot in your country.  I admit it&#039;s a long road to travel yet, but you are not even taking the first step.

Please, for the sake of humanity, push for greater gun control!  32 dead students is not a thing to be forgotten; Columbine was not a thing to forget... what is next?  It will happen again and many of you clearly couldn&#039;t care less; making you almost as guilty as the perpetrators.  Any  shooting is unacceptable, 32 shot dead in a college is just unfathomable!  It is pure madness, but what is worse is that so many of you, through your dumb ignorance, effectively create grounds for it to happen again.  Please, for the sake of humanity, push for greater gun control - you have nothing to fear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok anon, you are absolutely no good to any one.  Assuming you support the pro-gun lobby, you do them no favours.  You are quite immature, I don&#8217;t know whether this is due to your actual age or your mental age.  Either way you offer nothing to this argument</p>
<p>Anyone supporting current U.S. gun legislation should feel guilty the next time anyone is shot in your country.  I admit it&#8217;s a long road to travel yet, but you are not even taking the first step.</p>
<p>Please, for the sake of humanity, push for greater gun control!  32 dead students is not a thing to be forgotten; Columbine was not a thing to forget&#8230; what is next?  It will happen again and many of you clearly couldn&#8217;t care less; making you almost as guilty as the perpetrators.  Any  shooting is unacceptable, 32 shot dead in a college is just unfathomable!  It is pure madness, but what is worse is that so many of you, through your dumb ignorance, effectively create grounds for it to happen again.  Please, for the sake of humanity, push for greater gun control &#8211; you have nothing to fear!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63836</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cho-mal, no one has to push you into a state of mental unbalance -- you&#039;re already there, as evidenced by your anti-American, narcisstic,   Cho-like rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cho-mal, no one has to push you into a state of mental unbalance &#8212; you&#8217;re already there, as evidenced by your anti-American, narcisstic,   Cho-like rants.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the various true anti-northamerican ravings I have, I&#039;ve basically stuck to your gun laws.  I&#039;ll repeat that at times when college kids are shot (that&#039;s any, not neccessarily 32) then it&#039;s time you did something.  Nothing is done time and again; consequently more people die.

What is going to be done about your gun laws which clearly are to lax as it was ridiculously easy for this psychopath and others like him to get guns?
Anon, if you are trying to push me into a state of unballanced mentality, you&#039;ll have a hard time.  Your evident lack of education betrays you inexperience in this world and suggests that not one person should take you seriously.

Please anon, answer one question for me, can you do this?  Do you want to own a gun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the various true anti-northamerican ravings I have, I&#8217;ve basically stuck to your gun laws.  I&#8217;ll repeat that at times when college kids are shot (that&#8217;s any, not neccessarily 32) then it&#8217;s time you did something.  Nothing is done time and again; consequently more people die.</p>
<p>What is going to be done about your gun laws which clearly are to lax as it was ridiculously easy for this psychopath and others like him to get guns?<br />
Anon, if you are trying to push me into a state of unballanced mentality, you&#8217;ll have a hard time.  Your evident lack of education betrays you inexperience in this world and suggests that not one person should take you seriously.</p>
<p>Please anon, answer one question for me, can you do this?  Do you want to own a gun?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63823</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cho-mal:   The only one ranting and raving about guns is you. Which, is secondary to your ranting and ravings about the US.  You are condenscencing and contrary to your narcisstic belief,  clearly have no understanding of our culture, politics, and history. You read Thomas Paine in high school and are stuck in a 200 year old rut. The more you try to expound on how much you think you know, the more stupid you look.  Again, your anti-American rantings betray your mental instability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cho-mal:   The only one ranting and raving about guns is you. Which, is secondary to your ranting and ravings about the US.  You are condenscencing and contrary to your narcisstic belief,  clearly have no understanding of our culture, politics, and history. You read Thomas Paine in high school and are stuck in a 200 year old rut. The more you try to expound on how much you think you know, the more stupid you look.  Again, your anti-American rantings betray your mental instability.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63819</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon: I fail to see where cowardice comes into this; except in your odd desire to own a gun, presumably because you fear something.

I have no particular desire to catch a bus in Birmingham.  I have found myself wandering the Gorbals which is generally not a good idea.  Thankfully they give you a sporting chance as knives (Chibs) are the weapon of choice.  I am glad they don&#039;t have many guns in our cities, although this is on the increase - it&#039;s quite easy to ship them over from the U.S. among other rogue states.

I believe you should be more concerned about your own bizarre ravings.  I&#039;m interested to know if you own a gun... fancy progressing this some, weirdo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon: I fail to see where cowardice comes into this; except in your odd desire to own a gun, presumably because you fear something.</p>
<p>I have no particular desire to catch a bus in Birmingham.  I have found myself wandering the Gorbals which is generally not a good idea.  Thankfully they give you a sporting chance as knives (Chibs) are the weapon of choice.  I am glad they don&#8217;t have many guns in our cities, although this is on the increase &#8211; it&#8217;s quite easy to ship them over from the U.S. among other rogue states.</p>
<p>I believe you should be more concerned about your own bizarre ravings.  I&#8217;m interested to know if you own a gun&#8230; fancy progressing this some, weirdo?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63818</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cho-mal:  Euroweenie is a common word in American english and you are a prime example of it.   Euroweenie&#039;s are characterized by their cowardice and irrelevance.  Again, your continued whining about Thomas Paine is an example. 

As to comparing your rants to Cho&#039;s -- yes, they are just as deranged. Anybody can read them.  Thank you for showing your true colors.  If I were you, I would worry more about riding the bus in Birmingham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cho-mal:  Euroweenie is a common word in American english and you are a prime example of it.   Euroweenie&#8217;s are characterized by their cowardice and irrelevance.  Again, your continued whining about Thomas Paine is an example. </p>
<p>As to comparing your rants to Cho&#8217;s &#8212; yes, they are just as deranged. Anybody can read them.  Thank you for showing your true colors.  If I were you, I would worry more about riding the bus in Birmingham.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmal</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63808</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t just brush off the Thomas Paine argument and the fact that a great number of U.S. citizens are of European ancestry.  It&#039;s true many are proud of the fact.  Most of your cities are named after European cities... all this to serve that dismissing my opinions as coming from a &#039;Euroweenie&#039; is quite ridiculous.

You have still offered no practical solution.  I suggest that Gun Laws are tightened so that people have limited access to guns.

The solution you offer leaves me in a country that will only lose out from your gun policy.  The whole world has suffered from this awful episode; your promoting this deadly violence will cause it to spread.  A few weeks ago, countless children had no concept that this kind of thing could happen; now, via U.S. gun policy, these children have it in their heads that this can happen, and maybe one of them might end up doing it for themselves.

Comparing my rants to Cho&#039;s?  Honestly, you do yourself no favours, you&#039;re an embarrasment to yourself and to humanity as a whole.  Educate yourself anon, activate that thing in your head that hurts when you try to push on the pull sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t just brush off the Thomas Paine argument and the fact that a great number of U.S. citizens are of European ancestry.  It&#8217;s true many are proud of the fact.  Most of your cities are named after European cities&#8230; all this to serve that dismissing my opinions as coming from a &#8216;Euroweenie&#8217; is quite ridiculous.</p>
<p>You have still offered no practical solution.  I suggest that Gun Laws are tightened so that people have limited access to guns.</p>
<p>The solution you offer leaves me in a country that will only lose out from your gun policy.  The whole world has suffered from this awful episode; your promoting this deadly violence will cause it to spread.  A few weeks ago, countless children had no concept that this kind of thing could happen; now, via U.S. gun policy, these children have it in their heads that this can happen, and maybe one of them might end up doing it for themselves.</p>
<p>Comparing my rants to Cho&#8217;s?  Honestly, you do yourself no favours, you&#8217;re an embarrasment to yourself and to humanity as a whole.  Educate yourself anon, activate that thing in your head that hurts when you try to push on the pull sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/04/shooting-in-viginia/#comment-63786</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, jeesh, not that Thomas Paine crap again!  

&lt;em&gt;You seem unconcerned by this tragedy as you offer no practical solution for preventing similar incidents from re-occuring; which surely we all are certain they will!&lt;/em&gt;

Here&#039;s one solution:  Stay in the UK.  There are no differences between your psychotic rants and the rants of Cho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, jeesh, not that Thomas Paine crap again!  </p>
<p><em>You seem unconcerned by this tragedy as you offer no practical solution for preventing similar incidents from re-occuring; which surely we all are certain they will!</em></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one solution:  Stay in the UK.  There are no differences between your psychotic rants and the rants of Cho.</p>
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