I’ve been openly supportive of Rep. Ron Paul’s (R-TX) campaign for President.
I was willing to overlook his strong opposition to the war because of his positions on immigration (especially where he stands on “anchor babies [against]), taxation, and government spending. I applaud much of his restrictive views on the legitimate scope of Federal power.
But after watching last night’s GOP debates, I’m done supporting this man in way or fashion. In fact, I’ll actively work against him — not just in this campaign, but any additional re-election campaigns he might pursue here in Texas.
Why the sudden shift?
Because until last night I had no idea that Paul had joined the “blame America for 9-11″ crowd. When asked about his comments on non-interventionist policies, he responded:
Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attacked us because we’ve been over there, we’ve been bombing Iraq for ten years.
Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. They didn’t attack us because we are “over there”. They attacked us because we’re not them. And it’s the same reason that they’ll continue to attack us even after we’ve left Iraq. Because they hate us; because we’re not them.
The moderator then asked “Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attacks?â€, and Paul said,
I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it.
Uh huh. Let’s listen to and try to reason with these barbaric animals. That’ll work. As long as you’re willing to concede dhimmitude.
Iowahawk gets it:
They hate us for who we are, what we are, and everything we represent. Unless we’re willing to push the self-destruct button on America, there’s not a damn thing we can do to turn off their hatred, and it’s silly AND dangerous to think otherwise.
Much kudos and respect to Mayor Giuliani for sticking his foot up Ron’s ass, though.
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I’m not quite as mad as Ace — but close:
Fuck Ron Paul.
If I ever see this cocksucker in person, I’ll take a swing at him.
Giuliani called him out and invited him to withdraw the remark. He refused.
Brave maverick?
It’s pretty easy to vote against everything when you’ve decided to not actually be part of an actual working, governing majority.
The minority party always has the most fun because it gets to do nothing but posture. Ron Paul has made a career of being a minority party of one.
America,” said author Michael Scheuer, who used to head the CIA’s bin Laden unit. “Our foreign policy is doing the opposite.” A Giuliani campaign official could not confirm whether he had read any of the books on Paul’s list. Since an assortment of lunatics on the right fringe were incensed by Paul’s insinuations after last week’s Republican pukefest debate, I’ll look forward to more sputtering indignation from over there in short order.
Ron Paul is CORRECT. It’s Giuliani that just doesn’t get it.
Just read Osama bin Lden’s 1996 & 1998 fatwas. he spells it out: America is our enemy because America is meddling on Middle Eastern affairs.
Our country is lost as long as people in the US are unwilling to question the motives of their government and the consequences of their actions. And yes, we do bear some responsibility for what happend on 9-11 because we allowed our government to occupy and intimidate other countries. No one appointed the United States to be the world’s police. We are not physically or financially capable of stopping the violence in our own country, much less the rest of the world. Ron Paul was right – how would YOU feel if China set up shop in Washington, DC?
When is that idiot, Ron Paul’s seat, up for reelection? How did he get elected in the first place in Texas of all places? He should not be allowed in any more debates.
Furthermore, to all the tin foil hat nutcase George Soros bought and paid for Democratic Party sheep, we’ve got your number. We know you were the ones who fixed the Fox News poll last night and we also know you’re the ones who flooded C-Span this morning citing the virtues of Ron Paul and claiming you were a Republican. Assholes.
If Muslims hate us for our freedoms, why are there absolutely no attacks on the United States by Muslim terrorists prior to 1948?
We were more free then than we are now. And they were even less modern. So if they hate us for our freedom, they should have hated us EVEN MORE then.
It’s funny, but I can’t find anything in the history books about the Coolidge and Harding administrations having to fight off Islamic terrorists.
Diane, you’re wrong. The Democrats hate Paul even more than you do.
You might not like it, but there is still a substantial quasi-libertarian element in the Republican party. Those people tend to be political obsessives and have not had a candidate to support in quite some time. Paul is getting votes in online polls and the like because his supporters [though limited in number] are actually paying attention. The broad middle of the party – natural supporters of McCain and Guiliani – aren’t, and probably won’t be for a while.
And always remember – the libertarians are the actual right wing. Not social collectivists like that pinhead Brownback, and not pseudoDemocrats like McCain and Guiliani. Paul is so far to the right that you are really not distinguishable from Michael Moore from his vantage point. So spare me the George Soros crap.
Why did not terrorist attack New Zealand, Switzerland, Sweden etc. See the way we reacted on 9-11 to defend America, imagine what middle eastern people be thinking for years.
As long as Israel exists, we will be targets of terrorists. Inasmuch as it is not likely that Israel will disappear from the map in the near future, terrorism will not disappear either.
I stand by my statement on the polls. I don’t know one Republican who thought Ron Paul was the winner last night. Guiliani said it all for me.
“If Muslims hate us for our freedoms, why are there absolutely no attacks on the United States by Muslim terrorists prior to 1948?”
Fluffy, are you aware of why the words ‘The Shores of Tripoli’ are in the Marine Corps hymn?
It’s because back in the early 1800s Islamic fanatics were capturing American merchant ships in the Mediterranean. They would steal the ship and its cargo, and murder or enslave the crew. This they justified on the basis that their faith requires them to subjugate infidels.
The Pasha of Tripoli demanded protection payments from President Jefferson in 1801. When President Jefferson refused the Pasha declared war on the United States.
President Jefferson sent the Navy and Marines to subdue Tripoli and other Isamic states engaged in piracy.
A state of war existed between these Islamic states and the United States through about 1830.
Jim-
Around the same time, Americans were also enslaving Muslims and others with the justification that they were not Christians.
But, hell, if it makes your point go ahead and use it.
preston,
you’re hilarious. us americans are a barbaric bunch, aren’t we?
Ok, so we are not THEM…. but neither are Germans, Austrians, Swiss, and Russians, yet you dont really hear about Al Qaeda attacking those people. With our foreign policy, we obviousely touched a nerve among them and that is most likely why they dont like us. they dont care about Austrians or Germans, but at least they leave them alone. We need to change out foreign policy. Stop supporting Israel or any other country in the middle east. Stop Supporting every other country that has not supported us in the war. In cutting back on foreign aid, we will save enough money to pay for the war.
Ron Paul? Is that you?
Why hello.
Holy shit, I thought conservatives had long since abandoned the idiotic, tired “THE TERRORISTS HATE OUR FREEDOM” bullshit long ago.
John-
Why would they give up a belief that permits us to permit any act conceivable in the name of fighting al Qaeda? Pre-emptively invade a country unrelated to the September 11 attacks? Suspend habeas corpus? Extraordinary renditions facilitating torture? All American as George Washington thanks to the belief that al Qaeda hates us for loving baseball, apple pie, and mom.
i’ve never heard of al qaeda playing or watching baseball, only casing shea stadium. i wasn’t aware that apple pie was considered such a delicasy by jihadists. oh that’s right; they’re gonna take hostages at tastycake next to kill 2 birds with one stone.
wahabist feelings for mom include: don’t let me see you or cover up, make my dinner, give me children, and the ever popular “i’ll tell you when to talk”!
saying al qaeda hates us for our freedom is a bit simple for me too. i prefer to say that al qaeda hates us because historically western cultures develop while cultures that comprise their origins fall behind. it’s natural for losers to embrace the suffering of winners.
i nominate preston to negotiate with our misunderstood brothers in al quaeda and to help bring their noble cause into the modern era!
That’s hilarious, Adam. Of course if I were President I would be working to destroy al Qaeda- not run a recruitment center in Iraq for them.
Rather than holding hands on walks in the garden I would be forcing Saudi Arabia to discontinue its support for pro-al Qaeda Madrasahs. I’d tell them if they want to call us their ally they better start acting like one.
He didn’t blame America for the attacks; he merely said that our foreign policy actions in the past have given folks like Osama B political capital. It’s the same as when Hitler used the harsh terms of the Versailles Treaty to gather political support for the Nazis. This is not the same as saying that America deserved the attacks. The man blames Osama B and voted to go after him, but that does not mean that he isn’t right to look at why such a islamofascist nutjob has the political capital that he does.
So what do you suggest? We wipe out all Islamic Muslims? Sounds that way reading many posts here. In your ignorance you must have missed Congressman Paul’s suggestion that even the private sector and a true free and open market would be much more capable of eliminating the Jihadist Terrorists, then what we refer to now as “Military Intelligence”. If all out war on countries where many innocent citizens become collateral damage is acceptable to you, then why would putting an open bounty on them and allowing professional mercenaries to conduct their “business” with far fewer casualties, more repellent to us? Do you fail to understand how much more effeciency our “war chest” could have purchased? For than several hundred trillion dollars…..let’s see, how much per head would that come to? A well-armed, free citizenry is a great deterrant to criminals. Guiliani? Hillary? I prefer to set a much higher standard of character in the leadership I choose to represent me. I find sacrificing my principles and lowering my standards repellent. I am voting for Ron Paul, and honored to do it.
Chris Peden is running a strong campaign for the Republican nomination to Texas CD 14, the seat Ron Paul currently holds in the US Congress.
Go to http://www.chrispeden.org to help retire Ron Paul from the US Congress.
Peden will only cause the republicans to lose a seat. He was also dumb enough to support the marriage amendment.
As Jack Nicholson put it “… you (Americans) can’t handle the truth”.
First of all, how and why would Giuliani have ANY REAL IDEA why 9/11 happened? Has he interviewed a lot of Muslim Extremists? Because he was there when the buildings fell down, he knows that the United States did absolutely NOTHING to bring the horror of 9/11 on itself?
I think the morons are #1 Giuliani and #2 all the drooling (we are the greatest people in the world … no matter what we do to anyone else) idiots who applauded his simple minded “I know all about it” remark.
Ron Paul won’t get elected because his message is the truth and nothing but the truth. And, America the (once) beautiful is occupied by folks whose knuckles still drag on the ground. They do NOTHING but search for someone to blame for everything.
Ron Paul will not be elected because he has run an ineffective campaign that started off with him putting his foot in his mouth.
To Robbie Cooper, who exactly do you mean when you say “barbaric animals?” All Muslim’s in general? Because if you’re going to say that then you might as well expand it to all religious people, Christians, Muslims, and Jews. I’m a Christian so I wouldn’t agree with you if that was your opinion. However, if I were to use as harsh a term as “barbaric animals” it would be to all religious fanatics who would justify acts of atrocities in the name of whatever God they worship. Modern-day terrorists are very similar to the Crusaders of the Middle Ages not only because religion is their driving force but in their narrowness of mind. They may have bigger weapons than the Crusaders, but their society is nonetheless stuck in the Middle Ages. I’m not a supporter of Ron Paul, but I have to admire him for allowing for some responsibility on our part for 9-11. There’s obviously a reason why America was picked out for terrorist-attacks over other Western countries though that doesn’t change the fact that we cannot passively stand by in the face of it. However, acknowledging our own errors is absolutely imperative because it is what separates us from them!! Their narrow-minded cultures will not allow for anything but conformist opinions about America, Western Culture, etc. We, on the other hand, come from a free society that condones a more thorough and rational analysis of our actions as well as those of others (even when it puts us in a bad light). You undermine this American tradition with your use of propaganda and outrage to promote blind hatred against these people and with your unwillingness to even want to know the facts. If Americans, in general, are making this shift towards a more conformist society then how much longer till democracy is so undermined that we are reduced to a militaristic society like that of our enemies? Don’t grow so blind with panic and rage that you lose sight of what you’re trying to protect!
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1003-09.htm
This article written 9/29/2001 “The Algebra of Infinite Justice” by Arundhati Roy, an Indian writer and activist, puts the war on terror into perspective.
Here’s an excerpt that I found particularly interesting:
“In America there has been rough talk of “bombing Afghanistan back to the stone age”. Someone please break the news that Afghanistan is already there. And if it’s any consolation, America played no small part in helping it on its way. The American people may be a little fuzzy about where exactly Afghanistan is (we hear reports that there’s a run on maps of the country), but the US government and Afghanistan are old friends.
In 1979, after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) launched the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA. Their purpose was to harness the energy of Afghan resistance to the Soviets and expand it into a holy war, an Islamic jihad, which would turn Muslim countries within the Soviet Union against the communist regime and eventually destabilize it. When it began, it was meant to be the Soviet Union’s Vietnam. It turned out to be much more than that. Over the years, through the ISI, the CIA funded and recruited almost 100,000 radical mojahedin from 40 Islamic countries as soldiers for America’s proxy war. The rank and file of the mojahedin were unaware that their jihad was actually being fought on behalf of Uncle Sam. (The irony is that America was equally unaware that it was financing a future war against itself.)”
FOR ALL AMERICAN, LOOK AT DAVID DUKE WEBSITE. THERE YOU WILL FIND THAT IT WAS ISRAEL(WHO AMERICA ALWAYS SUPPORT WITH LIVES INCLUDING USS LIBERTY CREW LIVES IN 1964) WHO BEHIND WTC TRAGEDY. DOES IT REASONABLE FOR 4000 JEWS WORKER DID NOT GO TO WORK IN WTC IN 9/11? THEY MUST HAD KNOWN THAT THERE WILL BE A TRAGEDY BUT THEY DIDN’T TOLD US GOVERNMENT. EVEN THEY DANCE IN TOP OF BULIDING SEEING WTC COLLAPSED. IF AFTER THIS, AMERICAN DID NOT RISE UP FIGHT AGAINST ISRAEL, THEN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS JUST AN ISRAEL DOG SLAVE WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO PLEASE ISRAEL, THE MASTERS.
So, mark, is that the kind of foolishness you learn by living in Indonesia?
The only people that were dancing with joy, and handing out candy, were the filthy muslim pigs that call themselves palestinians.
no2liverules, you pathetic filth, everything you animals call anyone, anything you ill-wish for others, and any punishment you seek for your ‘enemies’, is exactly what your conscience (yes, you have one) is demanding for yourselves. Keep wishing, your karma is beginning to overflow, like a latrine that was crapped unrestrained to the brim.
You paulbots aren’t fit to be around humans. Go back to stormfront, jackass.
Ron Paul spoke the truth.
America is so arrogant that is did invite the 911 attack.
richard, notice, Ron Paul is not following the thread of ALL his followers, the truth that it was israhell and the jews who demolished to towers, because he doesn’t want to get ALL the jew media on his neck, BEFORE an official PEOPLE’s investigation.
He KNOWS, but he cannot be attacked as a ‘conspiracy loonie’ by the homosexual Media Whores. Yet, he is after the paw of the jew Beast, the FED, and its IRS and UNCONSTITUTIONAL Federal Income Tax RANSOM for the jew Rothschild, which is used to feed the parasite terrorist squatters in the Middle East. Ron Paul and The People will starve the Beast to death!
Ever wonder why no one takes you seriously? It’s because your ranting is a sign that you are seriously mentally ill.
The American government are murderers!
Richard, you’re a fucking idiot. Now, run off and find something else to blame for your miserable, pathetic life.
Which shouldn’t take long there in the UK where you live, as Sharia is quickly becoming the law of your land.
robbercop, tell you who to blame, and not only in the UK, but worldwide: the demented parasite jew ashkenazi-khazar-turk-mongol from shinar babyloonies. Their master’s paws, the Rothschilds, are everywhere with their paper bloodmoney, messing up anything that stands upright. But the end is coming. The Prophesy will be fulfilled. Soon.
We killed a bunch of nazis 1941-1945 and we can do it again. Go back to stormfront, creep.
Why Is It, That When A person Does not have the same Ideals As yourself,They Are “Fucking Idiots”?.
Are Rightwingers(Extreme) That those on this site are-All so Shallow or Narrow Minded In their attitudes,From the evidence shown It appears so-Does not matter what the Subject Is.
So stop Believing everything your Biased Media tells you,-Sharia Is becomming Law In the uk Is it Robbie?.
Thats News to Us In the Uk,Yes Its being debated-And Thats as far As it will get.
Jews/Christians have their own laws, Incoperated Into British Law-So why carnt Muslims?-Does not mean sharia Law Is becomming the law of the land.
Queen And country decides our laws, Not muslims or Jews or Christians etc, Or Blacks, Whites etc.
Believe what you want to,Yes we might have tension,Conflict beween etnic groups/Religons etc, As Any other country does-But to Believe what you do on this matter Is nothing short of Walt Disney.
You clearly state, That this Site does not Discrimate-Are you fucking Blind?Religon,Origin,Educational Background-Stands out a Mile as being A major Issue with This site.
With Reference to the 9/11, Firstly my toughts are with all those who lost theirs lifes-But The Us where aware of A pending Attack-The threats were not specific, And agree, that Without Knowing exactly, It was Impossible to defend Against.
However, Who Armed Iraq/Afganistan? I wonder who-Yes Uk Aswell,Who Is up Isreals Arse, And Is so biased towards Isreal-Isreal can have Nuclear Weapons but Iran cannot-Why Is that?.
America spins the world, With such crap, To gain support and understanding for its Intentions.
To put in a nutshell-Your Foriegn policy-As that of the Uk, Is the result of what we have now, We cannot blame anyone other than ourselfs.
And the one thing that really stands out on this site Is,Does not matter, If we believe In the wars or the policys imposed, But Uk soliders stand side to side with the Us-And many have paid the ultimate price, And you call The Uk, And those In it trash-So Its great to know the Us class our supportive troops As Trash.
“Uk soliders stand side to side with the Us-And many have paid the ultimate price, And you call The Uk, And those In it trash-So Its great to know the Us class our supportive troops As Trash.”
The US does not class the UK’s supportive troops, nor any of the supportive troops from other countries, as trash. Yes, the UK has also lost many troops who have paid the ultimate price in the fight against terrorism, but their sacrifices are not taken lightly nor disvalued.
I guess being a retard and anti-Semitic aren’t mutually exclusive.
sammywammy, this is Historee: being a retard and a jew is an exclusive trait, IQ70 retard. Why you try to pass on to others your pathetic idioticsynchraziness… get it?
Get it? Yeah, you’re mentally ill. Seek help.
Well, Secretary Clinton might not think small unmanned drones firing missiles into villages is terrorism, but it is pretty damned clear a lot of people in Pakistan would disagree with that assessment.
And I’m pretty damned sure if predator drones were flying over American cities firing missiles into populated areas and killing a bunch of innocents, Secretary Clinton and everyone else in the country would pretty quickly label it terrorism. Hell, if someone mails an unnamed white powder to someone, we freak out for a couple months. Let alone blowing up dozens of people every week.
When terrorists hide amongst the civilian population and as a result civilians are killed, it is the terrorists who are responsible for the civilian deaths.
pat, don’t hang around the bushes. Just pay attention to ALL the scumbag politicos in the USA, and realize they are JEWS! Working for the destruction of the country, while cynically bending over for israHell. Hitlary is a crypto jew.
Debalazo: Take ronpaul’s dick out of your mouth. And stop beating off to old photos of adolph, hermann, & heinie.
If this were happening in America, would you then blame the people responsible for killing innocent citizens in the attackers’ country of origin?
I’m gonna guess no, because it’s only considered terrorism when Americans die.
Go educate yourself, dumbass. You can’t use civilians to hide behind and then claim foul when they are killed because you are the legal target.
annoyingmouse, only the coward mossad are allowed to hide behind children, before their terrorist attacks?
How much do they pay you for being ron paul’s fluffer?
The US government are murderers.
You idiots invited 911.
You will stop dominating the world, or you’ll be attacked. It is as simple as that.
You pieces of shit, need to give back the illegal US state of Hawaii.
Another blame-the-victims idiot from the UK. I remember once when your country used to be great. Now? Not so much.
Idiots like you invited the 7-7 subway bombings with your out of control immigration policies.
Remain weak and powerless, and you will be attacked.
no2liverules, idiots like you were present at the crime site: the mossad, Chertoff, MI6, and Zionic accolite Blair. The bomb exploded UNDER the car, not inside. The system cameras ‘failed’ to record any suspicious activity since the hit cars were diverted to specific destination for rigging. Update your pathetic ignorant self.
Only a muslim or dhimmi would spout such nonsense as yours.
El Paso, eh?
You’re a long way from moon goddess land.
Hey, Debalazo! Last night when you were sleeping we planted a chip in your brain.
Can you hear us now?
How appropriate, chip and dip.
richard, you are aiding the enemy. The 911 caper was executed by the jew israeli mossad, only such criminals could create such massacre and destruction of goys. The Bushes only allowed it by looking the other way. Marvin Bush was executive of a ’security’ that controlled the airports and the towers, but was owned by jews in Amsterdamned. Watch ‘911 Mysteries’, wonder no more.
That’s right, jackass. We own everything. What jew going to do about it?
Free Hawaii!
America will not always be 50 states in opinion.
Alaska, Hawaii and vermont will leave the American union. May be texas if Ron Paul can’t change the American government by muderering innocent people across the world.
You pathetic George W Bush lovers, war mongering bastards.
Take your meds, Richard.
Go ahead and leave the union you stupid bastard, one less walking turd for taxpayers to support…
pkpost, the ones to leave the US eventually, as have done for the last one thousand years, it’s the jews. The instigators-financiers of all wars worldwide, ever since their Prince-Master Rothschild stole enough to bribe-blackmail every scumbag kinglet and tyrant down the road.
Jeesh! I hope your local police keep tabs on you. You’re grade A crazee.