UPDATE (Feb 8, 2009) — The comments section of this post has been closed. It was simply getting too long with nearly 400 comments.
I have created a new thread here to continue the debate (replete with a copy of the same image as below).
Go here to continue the comments from this post:
Flushing a Quran Down the Toilet: Part Deux
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At least it shouldn’t be…

If you go to Wal-Mart and buy a 3′ x 5′ American flag, take it home, and set it on fire in your driveway — there is no crime.
And — while it irrefutably shows that you hate America — it definitely isn’t a hate crime.
But if you come into my driveway, take down the flag flying above my garage, and set it on fire — well, if I don’t shoot you first, you should be arrested for committing a crime.
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Now, if I go to the Koran store, buy the latest edition of the Muslim holy book, take it home, and shove it down my toilet — that shouldn’t be labeled as a hate crime. A waste of money? Definitely. But a crime? No.
And it should still fall under the same guise of “protected speech” as burning an American flag.
Which makes this headline and lede from the AP misleading and dishonest:
Hate-crime arrests in Quran desecrations at Pace University
NEW YORK (AP) _ A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday on hate-crime charges after he threw a Quran in a toilet at Pace University on two separate occasions, police said.
In AP’s story, if you didn’t know any better, the story would be that Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested for simply throwing a Koran down the toilet.
Which, while offensive to Muslims, should not be a crime.
So why was Mr. Shmulevich really arrested? As Dan Riehl points out — it’s because the Koran he flushed down the toilet didn’t belong to him.
Flag burners hate America. But it’s not a hate crime to burn a flag.
Koran flushers hate Muslims. But it’s not a hate crime to flush a Koran.
Are you following me so far?
What Mr. Shmulevich should have been arrested for is theft and destruction of property.
But not for a hate crime. I wonder why the AP didn’t bother to report that small detail of who owned the Koran in question?
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Tom Maquire at Just One Minute adds, “If he had put a crucifix in a glass of urine, it would have been art.”




Crime Yes, “Hate Crime”, No…
Tom Maguire has a post up about an arrest at Pace University. A man was arrested for the "hate crime" of throwing a koran down a toilet.
I Guess He Should Have Just Burned A Flag
This will make for a fascinating prosecutio…
I agree totally.
Any kind of hate crime legislation is bullshit because it supposes that the motivation for a crime should, for some reason, have a bearing on the punishment. Why should somebody who shoots a man because he hates black people be locked up longer than somebody who shoots a man because he slept with his wife?
If you really look at the ethos of a “hate crime” argument, it hinges on the conviction that you can make beliefs, however racist or intolerable they may be, illegal.
One thing I’ll never understand is how people can be so selective in what types of censorship they oppose. For me, it’s all or nothing.
For once, Robbie, I’m 100% with you on this.
Response to John Jarzemsky’ post:
“any kind of hate crime legislation is bullshit because it supposes that the motivation for a crime should, for some reason, have a bearing on the punishment.
Of course, this is the case. This is how our criminal justice system works….and rightly so. If I am convicted of a murder that I spent weeks planning, the presumption is that I am a greater danger to society then your guy that walks in on and shoots the dude sleeping with his wife. Therefore, I get sentenced more harshly. That is why we have degrees of murder and, even, manslaughter. In all cases, dead is dead. But in sentencing we take into account extenuating circumstances, one of which is motivation. The hate crime laws were enacted to explicitly force judges and juries to examine motivation. If I am a Black Muslim who has stated my hatred for Whites and then guns down a white dude execution-style in the middle of the street, I can be charged under hate-crime laws, while the dude who kills someone in a liquor store robbery shouldn’t. This is so because the Black Muslim is presumably a greater menace to society.
A better argument for you to make that hate crime laws are bullshit is that they are redundant; that is, examining motivation is already built into the system, therefore, we don’t need laws that take the decision making process out of the hands of judges and juries. There is some justification for this argument. In this regard, hate crime laws are analogous to mandatory sentencing guidelines. In some cases they work but we also know of cases that are manifestly unjust. This Koran case may be one of those, although there is not enough info from the brief (and poorly written) AP story to make that judgement.
“If you really look at the ethos of a “hate crime†argument, it hinges on the conviction that you can make beliefs, however racist or intolerable they may be, illegal.”
They don’t make beliefs illegal. You are free to believe what you like. Hate crime laws can make your beliefs a factor in how you are sentenced if you are convicted of a crime. There is a big difference in those 2 things. Again, if you are a neo-Nazi who butchers a gay man because “he is a mongrel, who is subhuman”, hate crime laws give us a mechanism to keep an eye on you in prison longer because your chances of killing again are presumably greater than the liquor store robber.
Why should somebody who shoots a man because he hates black people be locked up longer than somebody who shoots a man because he slept with his wife?”
This statement by you is actually a good argument for hate crime legislation. It indicates that you would be a racially biased (or at least poor) juror because you see no difference in these 2 scenarios.
“One thing I’ll never understand is how people can be so selective in what types of censorship they oppose. For me, it’s all or nothing.”
Hate crime laws aren’t censorship. I assume that you are proposing that the law may indirectly censor free speech in this Koran case. However, not revealed in the AP report is that the accused was videotaped stealing from the Muslim Student Assn the Korans he presumably flushed. In that case, flushing the Korans per se is not the crime and shouldn’t be. If that is the case, I agree that we have a big problem. Again, remember this is a badly written article concerning an arrest. The case hasn’t been abjudicated. Indeed, charges against the guy can be dropped or added as new facts emerge. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
I support hate crime legislation. The analogy using murder is wrong in that anyone who guns down anyone and kills them execution style deserves the death penalty and no higher punishment can be imposed with or without hate crime legislation.
Which leaves one to wonder why the leftards aired all those ads with James Byrd’s daughter complaining that Bush wouldn’t sign a federal hate crime bill and invoking her father’s murder when three of her father’s murderers received the death penalty and the fourth life for testifying against the other three.
The Qur’an that was flushed down the toilet – whoever owned it – was distributed to the public. And if you open it up you can find plenty of threatening and hateful passages, many of which are aimed at another religious minority, Jews. It specifically says, in many passages, to kill unbelievers wherever they may be found, and in some instances specifically to kill Jews. It says whom to kill, why, when, where and even how to kill them!
Isn’t THAT hate speech? How can it NOT be a hate crime to disseminate a book that promotes killing people but a hate crime to desecrate that book? If I’d flushed a copy of the Mein Kampf, a similarly hateful and evil book, down my toilet, would that be a hate crime?
Ur dumb….get educated and then talk shit.
What a bul shit man he was.I if was there then i can kill this man that nasty creeper.He has made a big mistake God cannot lethim live happy.He will be in problems in the rest of whole life Insha Allah
[Editor --- I see from your IP address that you're from Pakistan, eh? So you really think that flushing a book down the toilet warrants death? Really?
Well, fuck you, your goat, your camel, and your barbaric Muhammad, too.]
I think you are making an incorrect comparison between the flag of America and a religious symbol. America is just America whereas a religious symbol is universal and held dearly by peoples of many nations.
Religious symbols have a special place in peoples hearts and the law makers decided that if a person publicly disrespcts a religious symbol then they will be dealt with accordingly.
If you don’t like the Qur’an then just don’t read it but to start talking about desecrating it is taking it to another level.
You will never hear a muslim saying they want to desecrate the bible or the torah because muslims are taught to respect the holy books of other religions even though they don’t believe in it. So can you not return the same type of courtesy.
May I take two or three minute of your valuable time to clarify something:
First, kindly note that Quran does not call for killing people of other religions or unbelievers unless those people attack Muslims and the Islamic state. On the country, Islam calls for respecting the Christians or Jews living in the Islamic state peacefully. Islam does not push human beings to be muslims, but highly calls for Islam.. So what is Islam?
Islam is not a philosophical theory, it is the way of life that has been placed by Allah (GOD) the creator of this universe, the creator of the humankinds and the creator of everything…Islam is a monotheistic religion that calls to believe and worship the only GOD in this universe (Allah).
Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the prophet and the last massager of Allah to the whole human beings and he is dictated by Allah , particularly in Quran, to show and teach the human beings (Arabs, Danish, Americans, Chinese…etc,) how to adopt that Islam approach (i.e. the way of life: business dealings, marriage, travelling, eating, worship Allah)… why, because people are worshipers to ALLAH involuntary (think of your eyes, your mind, body functions, the sun, the galaxy …: were those things created on their own or is it not right that the creator (Allah) created them and make them function perfectly for your own benefit. In this sense you are worshiper to that creator) and in other sense you should worship him voluntarily by following the way of life that HE placed it to you as a human being through Qurant and as suggested to his prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). Deep inside you (you do feel that there is a creator to this universe that you should worship… don’t lie to your self).
Besides, it is not only that your body needs feeding, but also your soul needs feeding; the feeding of your soul is by worshiping and constantly remembering the only god in this universe (Allah , the merciful and compassionate)…
The result to come: those people who follow Islam rules and stick to this religion (policy) will be rewarded with Paradise after this worldly life ends. Those who disbelieve it, they will go to hell.
So do not insult Islam, do not Insult the prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), do not Insult Quran
With respect,
Abdullah Al Shami
Total pig shit, Abdullah. Save your dawa for those who don’t know any better. Sixty five percent of the Koran, Sura, and Hadith speak against kafirs, which I am proud to say I am. Also, there are 109 verses in that tome, that encourage violence against kafirs.
I agree, it is a pathetic tome, for a political movement.
A few quotes from the pathetic tome that Mohammed(piss be upon him), an epileptic pedophile, had to say.
I’ll give you credit for making a nice effort at dawa, though. Either you know it is a lie, and have practiced, or you are one of those muslims who has been told the lies you attempt to spread here.
Tell you what, Abdullah, I’ll respect the koran if it gets revised, and the 65% that speaks badly about the kafirs is removed. But then, the book would lose it’s punch, right?
Perhaps you should look into Christianity, as it truly is a religion of peace, redemption, and salvation. Then you could join your five million brothers and sisters that convert from islam to Christianity each year.
u will be very sorry for that soon we will do what the other couldn’t do……………………….
Nour,
Sorry for what, calling islam what it is, a dysfunctional cult, based on the musings of a epileptic, pedophiliac, homicidal maniac?(piss be upon him)
I’m shaking and quaking, with the veiled threat you are making. You are just hoping some one, some where, does something to a kafir, so you will have an excuse to get some free candy. In Dar Al Harb, we can freely get candy, anytime we want.
whay u do that u don’t respect other relegion so u will see in the finish day
Wait a bit, please
This guy who sent a reply to my comments above (on LEFT BY NO2LIBERALS ON AUGUST 9TH, 2008 AT 10:10 AM( , I wish to respond to him as follows:
It seems that your concept of Islam and life is very narrow. So, correct your information : Those “suras of Quran” address the enemies of Islam particularly in the early stage of establishing the Islamic state (14 centuries ago). As you may well know that when the Islamic state started at that time, many tribes and folks wanted to destroy the new religion which is Islam (the last religion sent by Allah to humankind in replacement of Christianity and Judaism). As such those suras are NOT a general rule, they speak about special cases i.e. attacking those who want to kill Muslims and ruin the Islam state. This is a natural reason because when criminals attack you or your home, you legally have the right to defend your selves and retaliate…Is it right? Understand….
The other suras which you recited do NOT call for not taking Jews or Christians as friends. YOU ARE WRONG. Because we, as Muslims, have many friends of other religions, no problem with that. In fact those suras call for not taking Jews or Christians as masters. This is right, simply because Jews and Christians have different way of life and concept of things. SO CORRECT YOUR INFORMATION. Islam calls for respecting Christians or Jews living in the Islamic state peacefully. Islam does NOT push human beings to be Muslims, but highly calls for Islam accession peacefully, but when Muslims are being attacked by others, they have the right to defend themselves… Didn’t you know that the last prophet to the humankinds “Mohammed peach be upon him” had a Jewish neighbor in Al- Madina and that the Jewish neighbor’s son accessed to Islam. So please correct your information about Islam, and learn before you speak. I wish to tell you something, if want to learn facts, then you should first put your arrogance and uppishness aside in order to grasp those facts..
Please also correct your information that Islam is the fastest religion. which is being accessed by many people across the world especially in USA. Please look up the records in this respect…
Last but not the least, the source of Islam is the same source of Christianity and Judaism which is ALLAH (the creator or universe and human beings). All religions call for monotheistic concept which is worshipping Allah the only god across the universe, but when Jews and Christians changed the monotheistic concept, Allah sent Mohammed “peace be upon him” with Islam to all humankinds. Believe or not, this is the truth…
Abdullah Al Shami
To whom this message is concerned
Please that Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the prophet and the last massager of Allah to the whole human beings and he is dictated by Allah , particularly in Quran, to show and learn the human beings how to adopt that Islam approach (way of life and to worship Allah)…
Believe or not, this is the truth. We, as Muslims, will remind other nations of this fact, when we’ll meet in the future in the resurrection day…. So I call to Islam before it is too late…
Abulkarim
Abdullah,
My name was clearly stamped on my comment.
Do you consider yourself a Medinan muslim or a Meccan muslim?
No, sir, I believe it is you who needs to correct his information. First of all, you can’t even question islam, or the life of Mohammed(piss be upon him).
If you honestly believe that Mohammed is the perfect model of man, then no wonder raping and beheading is such a common practice among some of your practitioners. Have you ever actually taken to the time to question some of the bizarre things that man said? Is a perfect man one who marries six year old girls, and takes their virginity at the age of nine?
And what about Ol Moh’s Jewish friends when he was Medina, like those at Banu Quraiza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qainuqa? Those he didn’t have murdered and dumped in a pit, he had exiled. Yeah, nice man, the Moh.
The Suras I mentioned only refer to self-defense? Then why did he conduct so many raids on caravans traveling from Syria to Mecca? He attacked, and killed any who resisted. Doesn’t sound like self-defense at all. As for his dying words, which did not come soon enough for this world, “Let there be no other religion except Islam,” he meant what he said, and Abu Bakar and Omar were glad to comply. Islam was spread by the sword without halt, for hundreds of years in the first great jihad, then the second great jihad by the Ottomans was spreading into Europe, but fortunately for the civilized world, Christian Europe rose up and stopped them at the gates of Vienna. We are now in the third great jihad, and islam will be stopped once again.
Inform yourself Abdullah, or if you chose not to, don’t bother me with your da’wa, I will not submit, I will not pay a jizya, and I will take many with me, if they want my head.
I’m a devout Christian, and know it to be the way, and the light.
As for hearing that line, about islam being the fastest growing religion, yes, I’ve heard it, and am not impressed, as it is being done by very high birth rates, in impoverished countries, not by conversion. On the other hand, there on average, five million muslims who convert to Christianity each year, most in muslims countries, where the fear of being murdered for apostasy is real.
Why is islam afraid of competing head to head with other religions? Why is islam so afraid of it’s followers questioning it?
Islam is very insecure about itself, as a critical examination of it’s founding, and it’s founder, would mean a complete collapse of it.
I don’t know if he was the last massager of Allah or not, but he certainly was the first massager of Aisha.
Simple clarifcation about Islam:
There is the one almighty God, ALLAH, who is infinitely superior to and transcendent from humankind. Allah is the creator of the universe and the source of all good and all evil. Everything that happens is Allah’s will. He is a powerful and strict judge, who will be merciful toward followers depending on the sufficiency of their life’s good works and religious devotion. A follower’s relationship with Allah is as a servant to Allah.
Muslim honors all prophets. Muhammad (PEACE BE UPON HIM) who is the messenger of Allah for Islam is considered the last prophet and his words and lifestyle are that person’s authority.
To be a Muslim, one has to follow five religious duties:
1. Repeat a creed about Allah and Muhammad;
2. Recite certain prayers in Arabic five times a day;
3. Give to the needy;
4. One month each year, fast from food, drink, sex and smoking from sunrise to sunset;
5. Pilgrimage once in one’s lifetime to worship at a holy shrine in Mecca.
At death — based on one’s faithfulness to these duties — a Muslim hopes to enter Paradise, a place of sensual pleasure. If not, they will be eternally punished in hell.
Islam matches the people’s expectations about religion and deity. Islam teaches that there is ONE supreme God, who is worshiped through good deeds and disciplined religious rituals. After death a person is rewarded or punished according to their religious devotion.
will nilly, this is the truth….
Unh…hunh…I see, but the only problem with the above definition of islam is that it comes from the dysfunctional creature known as Mohammed.
If islam is so concerned with good deeds, and is so peaceful, then explain why this photo should make anyone believe that is true.
Do you speak Arabic or just recite it, and rely on a cleric to tell you what the koran says?
Here is the translation of the Arabic on the Saudi Flag, which is being carried by the male only Saudi Olympic team.
It’s from the Shahada, and notice the sword at the bottom of the flag.
“There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger”
I reiterate, islam is spread by the sword, it is a fascistic religious cult, started by a pervert and a homicidal maniac.
Welcome to Dar Al Harb, mofo!
To: No2Liberals
First, you say that you are “a devout Christian”, However, your attitude tone contradicts the Christianity teachings, i.e. when you wrongly swear Mohammed (PBUH) who is the last messenger and prophet of Allah (Almighty) to creatures, So behave yourself if you claim that you represent a divine religion…(shame one you with such vulgar words)…
We, as Muslims, respect all the previous prophets and Allah messengers. We deeply respect Jesus Christ and Moses (peace be upon them)…
Please note that I pertain to an Islamic society which does not differentiate between Medinan muslim or a Meccan Muslim, because Islam is an international universal religion that stretched across the world, which calls to submit to ALLAH… This the fact, willy nilly..
Your information need total correction, you must have obtained such information from fabricated books or your are fabricating the events from your end. At any rate, I will correct your information and you should convey such correct information to your colleagues, if you claim that you are honest devout Christian:
Mohammed (PBUH) was engaged to one of his wives (Ayisha) when she was six- year old, and married her when she was nine. Now, such a matter was a kind of tradition) in that society(14 centuries ago taking into account that their physical buildings defer from the physical buildings of ours now in the 21st century, noting that all the tribes around did not criticize this matter at that time, so you cannot standardize such a matter with our times….Understand…
As regards your inquiry about exiling the Jewish folks Banu Quraiza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qainuqa? If you think He exiled wrongfully, then YOU ARE MISTAKEN, because those folks were trying to corrupt the immature Islamic society in Al-Madina and tried to wage and arouse seditions between the inhabitants. Furthermore they were looking at the Islamic society with contempt, since earlier they were dominating Al-Madina economically by bribes and usuries. Nevertheless the direct exiling reasons were: Banu Qainuqa: were exiled because they assaulted a Muslim woman and killed a Muslim man. Banu Nadir: were exiled because they conspired to throw a big stone on the messenger of Allah Mohammed (PBUH) to kill him. Banu Quraiza: they conspired with outside tribes against Muslims in Al-Quandaq Battle… SO, CORRECT YOUR INFORMATION….AGAIN
Islam calls all the people across the world for worshipping ALLAH as the creator of the universe (the one supreme God) who is worshiped through good deeds and disciplined Islamic religious rituals. Mohammed (PBUH) is the last massager of ALLAH. This is the message for which Islam stretched west and east, but without compelling other folks to be Muslims…
Last but not the least, Islam will never fade because it is NOT the religion of Mohammed (PBUH), it is the religion of ALLAH, the creator of the universe. It is the religion that conforms with the human beings instinct and needs… believe it or not, this is the fact… If you still do not believe in this fact, then you will find it one day, probably not this life, but on the resurrection day, which will be too late for you….
SO, CORRECT YOUR INFORMATION AND YOUR COLLEAGUES…
Abdullah
Abdullah, once again, it is you who needs to correct your information, but you can’t because you aren’t allowed to critically examine your belief system or Ol Moh.
Yes I am a Christian, and I recognize other people’s right to believe whatever they want, as long as they aren’t forcing themselves on me. I don’t care if someone believes a pile of cow manure is sacred, as long as they aren’t threatening to chop off my head or tax me, if I don’t believe the same way.
Religious minorities have not “flourished” under Islam. In fact, they have dwindled to mere shadows after centuries of persecution and discrimination. Some were converted from their native religion by brute force, others under the agonizing strain of dhimmitude.
What Muslims call “tolerance,” others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission.
A non-muslim isn’t even allowed in Mecca or Medina, but anyone and everyone is welcome at the Vatican.
I will never accept that Ol Moh is the messenger of God, based on his treachery and murder for his own gain, as well as his general poor qualities and perversions.
Don’t deviate from the truth: Jesus Christ, Moses, Mohammed (peace be upon them) and all the massagers call for ISLAM (the monotheistic concept) in the sense of submission to and worshipping the creator ALLAH, the only god in the universe who is worshiped through good deeds and disciplined religious rituals.
After death a person is rewarded or punished according to his monotheistic religious devotion. You will discover the truth then…
orospu ?ocuklar?
Yes, Jesus Christ (peace be upon them) is a worshiper and messenger of Allah Just like Mohammed (PBUH), and he was not crucified. He was lifted to heaven, and he is still alive now. He will come down to earth before the resurrection day supporting the Islamic monotheistic doctrine…This is the truth that everybody will realize later…
Jesus Christ (PBUH) is a human being and a worshiper/messenger of Allah. He called for worshipping ALLA, the creator of the universe (the one supreme God) who is worshiped through good deeds and disciplined religious rituals.
So in one way or other Jesus Christ is messenage of Allah who called for the Islamic monotheistic doctrine ..
AbdulKarim
TO: NO2LIBERAL,
Still you are short of understanding things…
If you think that Islam and its jurisprudences were enacted by Mohammed PBUH, then you are WRONG…
Islam was enacted by the creator of the universe WHO is the same god of every creature i.e. ALMIGHTY (ALLAH)… Look how Allah arranged this universe to function systematically, look at your physical body how it is systematically ordered (and how you grow from infant to child to young man to old man and then a dead body…) look at each creature how it functions in the way which ALLAH wants…. similarly, Islam being enacted by Allah (as the last religion on earth), is also a group of systematic codes standing first and foremost on the monotheistic basis (i.e. worshipping Allah the only god across the universe).
The commands of Islam were set by that ALLAH, not by Mohammed PBUH… Mohammed PBUH is just a messenger and prophet from the creator and his job is to notify all the people worldwide with Islam as the last international religion on earth, and to route the people’s belief towards the monotheistic belief… and how to worship ALMIGHTY (ALLAH)…
Islam does not compel others to be Muslims, but in the same time others should not resist the notification of Islam to the people. If you do not want to be Muslim, you are free now in this world, but you should NOT prevent the Islam international message notification to reach other people… understand…
So fighting was enacted for those who do not want the Islam religion notification to reach other people. So fighting is not to compel you to be Muslim… One important thing is that during fighting, (if the folk prevent reaching the Islam message to others) the true Islam forbids hurting women, old men or children, or even making corruption ….
Why, because Islam is enacted by Allah (as the last religion on earth) in replacement of other religions… CORRECT YOUR INFORMATION. Islam is not a religion set by a free lance people, rather it is the region set by Allah and was put into practiced by Mohammed PBUH teaching others the Islamic codes. It is religion preserved by Allah that will NOT fade away… Look at Al-Quran which is the speech of Allah addressed to all human beings, it has never changed since 14 centuries ago and it will not…
There are no differences in the monotheistic belief in Islam (unlike Christianity). The Islamic belief is that ALLAH is the creator and the only god in the universe HE is an infinitely superior to and transcendent from humankinds, and that Mohammad and Jesus Christ are worshipers and massagers of ALLAH..
Correct your information
Abdullah
Yes Mohammad and Jesus Christ PBU them are just worshipers and massagers of ALLAH..
Your attention, please
“There is none worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is the messenger of God.
Islam basis is monotheism, i.e. belief in one God. Islam is a way of life that highlights willful and voluntary submission of one’s heart and desires to God and a commitment to his guidance. Literally, Islam means to make safe and secure and free from evil.
Islam is derived from the Arabic word for peace, and it is harmony and submission to the laws of Allah and thus the teachings of Islam are based on the nature of mankind. Islam is a set of teachings that has been revealed by Allah to mankind. The revelation of Islam has taken place, at various times, through different messengers of Allah such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and finally Muhammad peace be upon them.
Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;
Thanks for your attention..
Iman
Abdullah, telling someone to correct themselves, when it is you who are incorrect, is very telling.
Mohammed made all of his shit up, he just made it up out of thin air, after his epileptic seizures, he was never a messenger of God.
Here is a little comparison between a true prophet, Jesus, and a false prophet, Mohammed.
* Jesus was a religious leader.
* Muhammad was religious leader and a military leader.
* Jesus never killed anyone.
* Muhammad killed an estimated 3,000 people, including beheading 700 Jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina, A.D. 627:
“The Jews surrendered and the apostle confined them in Medina. … Then the apostle went out to the market … and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. … There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka’b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, ‘Will you never understand? Don’t you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!’ This went on until the apostle made an end of them.” (Sirat Rasul Allah)
* Jesus never owned slaves.
* Muhammad received a fifth of the prisoners taken in battle, including women. (Sura 8:41)
“Muhammad gave command and the heads of the two chiefs were severed from their bodies. The scene of torture and bloodshed was hardly ended when Muhammad sent Bilal to fetch the wife of Kinana. … He cast his mantle around her in token that she was to be his own.” (Conquest of Khaybar, A.D. 628, Sirat Rasul Allah)
“The apostle occupied the Jewish forts … taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana. … The apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims.” (Sirat Rasul Allah)
“Married women are forbidden unto you, except those whom your right hands possess (taken in battle.)” (Sura 4:24)
* Jesus never married.
* Muhammad had many wives.
“Anas said, ‘The prophet used to visit all his wives in an hour round, during the day and night and they were 11 in number.’ I asked Anas, ‘Had the prophet the strength for it?’ Anas replied, ‘We used to say that the prophet was given the strength of 30 (men).’” (Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 1, Bk. 5, No. 268)
“Muhammad said: ‘Woman can be married for religion, her fortune, or her beauty. So marry one for the religion.’” (Abu Issa al-Tarmidi, Sunan al-Tarmidi, Medina n.d., p.275, B: 4, H:1092)
“The apostle occupied the Jewish forts … taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana. … The apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims.” (Sirat Rasul Allah)
“Married women are forbidden unto you, except those whom your right hands possess (taken in battle.)” (Sura 4:24)
* Jesus never married.
* Muhammad had many wives.
“Anas said, ‘The prophet used to visit all his wives in an hour round, during the day and night and they were 11 in number.’ I asked Anas, ‘Had the prophet the strength for it?’ Anas replied, ‘We used to say that the prophet was given the strength of 30 (men).’” (Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 1, Bk. 5, No. 268)
“Muhammad said: ‘Woman can be married for religion, her fortune, or her beauty. So marry one for the religion.’” (Abu Issa al-Tarmidi, Sunan al-Tarmidi, Medina n.d., p.275, B: 4, H:1092)
“Prophet, we have made lawful to you … the slave girls whom Allah has given you as booty.” (Sura 33:50)
* Jesus never forced followers to continue believing. After Jesus made a difficult saying, “many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. Then Jesus said to the twelve, ‘Will ye also go away?’ Then Simon Peter answered him, ‘Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.’” (John 6:31-69)
* Muhammad forced followers to continue believing, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” (Hadith al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Bk. 84, No. 57)
* Jesus taught God was our Father (Matthew 6:10).
* Muhammad taught it was blasphemy to call Allah your father (Sura 5:18)
* Jesus taught man was made in God’s image. (Matthew 22:20, ref. Gen. 1:26-27, 9:6)
* Muhammad taught Allah has no image. (Sura 42:11, Sura 112:4)
* Jesus taught “forgive those who trespass against you.” (Matthew 6:10-15)
* Muhammad taught to avenge trespasses against your honor, family or religion.
“Narrated Anas bin Malik: ‘On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, “Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka’ba.” The Prophet said, “Kill him.”‘” (Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 5, Book 59, No. 582)
“Ibn Khatal … had two slave girls who used to sing for him and for his companions songs full of abuse of the Prophet. The Prophet’s instructions specified that the two slave girls should also be killed. … Another (to be killed) was al-Huwayrith Nuqaydh Wahb Qusayy, one of those who used to insult him in Mecca.” (Sirat Rasul Allah)
* Jesus did not retaliate when violence was committed against him, saying “Father, forgive them.” (Luke 23:34)
*Muhammad retaliated when violence was committed against him, ordering the death of his enemies.
“Muhammad sent Abdullah to use diplomacy to gain an opportunity to assassinate Sofyan. Abdullah went forth, pretending to be on his Sofyan’s side, and when the moment was right, cut off his head. He carried it to Muhammad, who was in the Mosque in Medina. Muhammad was so gratified, he gave the assassin his staff, saying: ‘This shall be a token betwixt you and me on the day of resurrection. Verily, few on that day shall have anything to lean upon.’” (Sirat Rasul Allah).
“Ibn Sa’d Tabaqat reported: ‘The apostle of Allah entered through Adhakhir into Mecca. … He ordered six men and four women to be killed.” (Kitab al-Tabaqat, written by Ibn Sa’d (A.D. 745-845), Vol. 2, p. 168.)
* Following Jesus was voluntary, from the inside out.
* Following Muhammad could be coerced, from the outside in.
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Sura 9:29)
* A martyr in Christian and Jewish thought is one who dies for his faith.
* A martyr in Islamic thought is one who dies for his faith while killing infidels.
“Narrated Abu Huraira: ‘The Prophet said, “The person who participates in (holy battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr).”‘” (Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 1, Bk. 2, No. 35)
* Christianity teaches God wants a personal relationship with each individual.
* Islam teaches individuals cannot have a personal relationship with Allah, as he is transcendent and unknowable.
* Jesus’ religion is known for forgiveness and love.
* Muhammad’s religion is known for obedience and fear.
* None of Jesus’ Apostles led armies. A village did not receive Jesus “and when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, ‘Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elias did?’ But he turned and rebuked them, and said, ‘Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.’” (Luke 9:52-56)
* All of the caliphs who followed Muhammad led armies. (Caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Muawiyya, the Umayyads, the Abbasids, etc.)
* In the first 300 years of Christianity, there were 10 major Roman persecutions, and Christians were fed to lions in the Colosseum. Never did Christians lead an armed resistance against those who attacked them.
* In the first 300 years of Islam, Muslim armies conquered Arabia, Persia, the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain, Southern France, Central Africa, and invaded vast areas of Asia and Asia Minor.
Fighting is inconsistent with Jesus’ example but not Muhammad’s, as the Sirat Rasul Allah records Muhammad personally led 27 raids, including Battle of Badr, 624 AD; Battle of Uhud and expulsion of Banu Nadir, 625 AD; Attack on Banu Mustaliq, 626 AD; Battle of the Trench and killing Banu Qurayza, 627 AD; Battle of Khaybar, 628 AD; Battle of Mu’tah, 629 AD; Conquest of Mecca, Battle of Hunayn, Battle of Auras and Siege of al-Ta’if, where Mohammed used a catapult, 630 AD; Battle of Tabouk, Subjugation of Banu Thaqif (Yemen) and subjugation of Ghassanids (Arab Christians), 631 AD.
Jesus’s teaching on how to treat enemies:
* Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, pray for them which despitefully use you (Matthew 5:44).
* If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to them the other (Matthew 5:39).
* If someone takes your coat, give them your shirt (Matthew 5:40).
* If someone make you carry something one mile, carry it two (Matthew 5:41).
* Forgive and you shall be forgiven (Matthew 6:14).
* Judge not, that ye be not judged (Matthew 7:1).
* Blessed are the peacemakers (Matthew 5:9).
* Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy (Matthew 5:7).
* Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not kill, but I say who ever is angry with his brother is in danger of the judgment (Matthew 5:21-22).
* Treat others the same way you want them to treat you (Luke 6:27-36).
* Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick, whatever you do to the very least you have done unto me (Matthew 25:40).
Muhammad’s teaching on how to treat enemies:
* Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
* Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
* Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
* Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
* Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
* If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
* Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
* Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
* Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
* No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).
* The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).
Where Jesus was a religious leader, Muhammad was a religious leader and a military leader, thus the effort to separate the militant aspect of Islam from the religious aspect is an attempt to split Muhammad.
The closer one follows the example of Jesus, the more peaceful is one’s motivation.
The closer one follows example of Muhammad, the more militant is one’s motivation.
I hope this fills in some of your incorrect knowledge, Abdullah.
ONE DAY WE WILL MEET ME AND U AND ALL PEOPLE AND GOD WILL KNOW ALL WHAT U DO U TOLD BAD WORDS ABOUT ISLAM AND MOUHAMED BUT NO PROBLEM I HOPE U CHNAGE UR THINK OR U WILL GOT SUPER PUNICH FROM GREAT GOD AND MOUHAMED TOO THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID JUST I LIK EHELP U BEFOR U DIE
I LIKE SAY SOME THINK FOR WHO MAKE FOTO .
I THINK ITS BAD IDEA U MAKE IT …BECAUSE NOW U ARE HAPPY AND U PLAY AND U ENJOY UR SELF ….. ARE U THINK ABOUT FUTUR WHEN U WILL DIE ????????
WHEN U WILL MEET WITH GOD .?????
WHEN NO PERSONE CAN DEFEND U ONLY GOD???
MY FRIEND THINK MORE BEFOR U MAKE FOTO GOD VERY LOVELY BUT VERY HARD ARE U HEARED SOME ONE MUSLIM MAKE BAD FOTO FOR JESSUS OR UR BOOK ?????? NEVER BECAUSE IN ISLAM MUST RESPECT ALL RELIGION BECAUSE ITS ALL FOR GOD ONE GOD FOR ALL WORLD JEHOVA KRITEN ISLAM
SO MY FRIEND THINK MANY U PLAY WITH GOD ????AND ONE DAY U WILL DIE AND NO PERSONE CAN PROTECT U ONLY UR SELF SO DO GOOD NOW BEFOR U DIEEEEEEEEEEEEE REMEMBER THIS ALWYES BEFOR U DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOW U ARE FREE U CAN DO WHAT U LIKE BUT FOR ALL START U MUST FIND THE END AND THE END IT IS WHEN U DIE SO MAKE UR SELF READY OK I HOPE U UNDERESTUND WHAT I LIKE MEANNNNNNNNN GOOD LUCK
WE ARE PEOPLE IN ONE WORLD WE HAVE ONE GOD SO THINK MY FRIEND ?????
ANSWER TO No2Liberals
JESUS TOLD HIS PEOPLE THAT THERE WILL BE A MESSENGER AFTER ME THE FINAL MESSENGER ALL THE PROPHETS WANTED TO BE IN THIS MESSNGERS TIME BUT ALLAH ACCEPTED ONLY ONE PROPHETS PLEA. THIS WAS THE PLEA OF HADRAT ISA ALSO KNOWN AS JESUS WHO WILL DESCEND FROM THE SKIES AFTER THE 2000 ERA AND WILL FIGHT AGAINST THE DAJJAL THE ONE EYED BEAST. HE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TWO EYES BUT ONE WILL BE SCUASHED LIKE A GRAPE HE WILL GET MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN
You have recited wrong information, jerk Liberal2,
I do not know where you got your false analysis and information. You have to read the correct biography of Mohammad PBUH, and not fabricated analysis and stories prepared in the west world…
Mohammad PBUH was sent as mercy to all humankinds to take them out from the dark side of time to light side of time, which is the monotheistic belief (this is the true pure religion).
Those who were killed were criminals and traitors..
Your comparison between two messengers of Allah is out of place, because they came from the very same source and called for the monotheistic belief, but with different aspects in behaviors according to the era.
Islam encourages for marriage to foster human relationships and to avoid adultery. Adultery is now rampant in the western society, which led to AIDS…. It is now proved that marriage is the high citadel against AIDS… UNDERSTAND.
Preventing marriage is a false Christian code, because it is in conflict with the human nature..
Then, your belief system is false, because Jesus Christ PBUH, in the first place, called for monotheism, i.e. belief in one God.( the same present Islam doctrine). Jesus Christ is only a messenger and prophet of Allah. He was NOT crucified and he is NEVER son of Allah. Allah does not need a son. He has an infinite power. He who needs a son is a human being like me and you, who are punctuated with incapability… understand…
There are many paradoxical bibles, whereas it is only one monotheistic Quran. The true ONE monotheistic bible was distorted, and replaced, by earthly people, with paradoxical distorted bibles.
Jesus Christ is innocent of such corrupted fabricated stories. Jesus also told his people that there will be a messenger after him who is Mohammad PBUH.. so how it comes that a guy like you denies Mohammad’s divine message…. If you still think so, then you are still on the dark side of time….
After Jesus Christ’s lift-off to Heaven, Christianity deviated from the true religious pillar which is monotheism, that’s why Islam came to restore the monotheism… Allah Almighty will not accept but Islam as religious belief and a way of life that highlights the willful and voluntary submission of one’s heart and desires to Allah and a commitment to his guidance…
Correct your information
Abdullah
IN ISLAM MUST BELIVE JESUS AND JEHOVA
GOD SAID IN QOREN MUST BELIVE WAS JESUS AND JEHOVA AND THEY ARE 3 PROFETTA FROM GOD THEY LIKE HELP PEOPLE WITH SMS FOR PEOPLE THIS SMS HAVE ONE RESSON ITS GIVE LIGHT FOR POEPEL AND PEACE AND LOVE IN WORLD
Abdullah,
It’s unfortunate for you that you are not only misinformed, but refuse to see the truth.
Ol’Moh was not a messenger of God, he was a sexual pervert, a homicidal maniac, that suffered with delusions induced by his epilepsy. That some in the 7th century might believe his epileptic induced visions is not that surprising, but that any thinking man in this century would, is just disturbing.
Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.
One Must be a Christian to be Saved! References for this are found in John 14:6; Acts 4:12, and 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16. One cannot be a Christian without verbally confessing the deity of Jesus the Christ. One cannot even pray to God, let alone have sins remitted by Him, without approaching Him through Jesus (John 14:6 and 13, 15:16; 16:23-24; Romans 5:2, and Ephesians 2:18).
The Bible declares that Jesus was the FINAL revelation of God to man. There have been no others.
Jesus told us, there would only be one more revelation of truth that would come after Him; and He was not speaking about Muhammad. John 14:17, 16:7 & 13 tell us that Jesus said a “Spirit of Truth” (not a man – a Spirit), ‘the Comforter’ would come after He Himself departed. This Comforter was to guide us “into all truth”. So there would then be no truth remaining which would be sealed or hidden. This was Jesus’ way of saying there would be only one more revelation of Truth after him. We know, that this was the Comforter who descended on the apostles gathered together on Pentecost. There have been no others.
The Muslim Qur’an (Koran) is literally dripping in evil! This demonically inspired document goes out of its way to lie about Jesus; thus negating the salvation Jesus made possible. Islam is uniquely at odds with Christianity in all its major dogmas. As an example, the “god” of Islam created and inspired sin. The Quran (Koran) says that this “god of vengeance”, Allah both created and inspires sin, right there in the Quran. Whereas the real holy God who cannot sin, took our sins on Himself. Islam says if you believe God came to earth as a man, as Jesus did, then you will go to Hell. Doctrinally, wouldn’t the one who created sin be an unholy sinner himself?
Islam is the religion of anger and hatred. It is an anti-freedom system, which seeks to ultimately control the entire world.
Additionally, only a demon or fallen angel would insist its followers make never ending war on non-believers, as this impersonal “god” Allah does. One in every fifty-five verses in the Quran incites Muslims to make war on non-Muslims. The Quran, is in fact a satanic blueprint for the art of deception, double-talk, double-dealing and treachery. The word love is conspicuously missing from the Quran.
It is interesting to compare Jesus and Muhammad according to the Quran. Jesus did miracles (Surah 3:49; 5:110), but Muhammad did not (Surah 13:8: “thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only”; also 6:37; 6:109; 17:59 and 17:90-93).
Jesus was sinless (Surah 3:46), but Muhammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Surah 40:55: “Ask forgiveness of thy sin”; 42:5: “Ask forgiveness for those on the Earth”; 47:19: “Ask forgiveness for thy sin” ; 48:2: “that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin”).
Jesus was called “the Messiah” by Allah in the Quran. And Jesus was even born of a virgin (Surah 3:45-57)! Yet Muhammad who had 12 wives, 2 concubines, sex with captured slave girls, and participated in many attacks on innocent caravans and villages, and insisted on 20% of all the booty from these raids — is supposed to be the greatest of the prophets. History tells us that one of the major reasons the Jews in Arabia refused to believe Muhammad was a prophet at all, was because of Muhammad’s harem. No prophet of God ever had this sort of sexual appetite that Muhammad had.
Both Muslim holy books (Quran and Hadith) contain commands for Muslims to subjugate the world, militarily. Muhammad commanded Muslims to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad; or conquest of non-Muslim lands. Muslims are also commanded to take back any land that was formerly Muslim, such as Israel.
The biggest threat to Islam is without a doubt the teachings of the true “Prophet of Peace” Jesus Christ. Islamic leaders go to extraordinary means to hide the Gospel of Jesus from Muslims.
The fact that Muslims do not read and study the New Testament, the Gospel of Jesus, is yet another contradiction in Islam. Question the “dark side” – the Islamic Fear of Christianity. Just as Satan wails at a crucifix at an exorcism – the Islamic cult member normally wails at the sight of the Christian Bible. A false prophet can always be recognized, because he attacks the true prophet. A false Bible can be recognized, because it contradicts the true Bible.
The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by more than 575 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 – 3,000 years. Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for “Guidance and Light.” For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it.
Educate yourself, and wise up, before it is too late.
Five million muslims convert to Christianity each year…join them, and save your eternal soul.
I agree that placing the Quran in a toilet is not a hate crime. It is offensive, but not illegal. I also agree that the the headline was misleading (but sensationalism sells papers).
I think Steve Perrett’s articulation on hate crimes was well done.
Lastly, I’ve noticed that mindset of Muslims who commit terrorism and who support terrorism have a lot in common with the vitriolic, hateful Islamophobes who are all over the blogosphere. Both see things in black and white, right and wrong, and both make absolutely no room for dialogue with those with whom they disagree.
Both frame the ideas, beliefs and actions of their perceived enemies in ways that best suit their own arguments while making no allowance for other interpretations or understanding.
It seems like these minorities within our societies are hell-bent on forcing confrontation.
To No2Liberals,
I do not know why you keep repeating the same things, which I already clarified to you in my previous exchanged messages. As I advised you earlier that if you want to understand things correctly and subjectively , you should put your arrogance and presumption aside. Your arguments are mere malicious accusations against Mohammad PBUH. Please refer to my previous messages..
Then, it is clear that you always avert discussing your mistaken belief system, which is ” Christianity’s deviation from the true religious pillar which is monotheism after Jesus Christ’s lift-off to heaven.
Let me convey to your kind attention translations of verses from Quran about your mistaken belief system:
In the name of Allah the Compassionate, the Merciful
“O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.”
“The Messiah does by no means disdain that he should be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoever disdains His service and is proud, He will gather them all together to Himself.”
“But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.”
(sura Nissa 171-173)
When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?
Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.”
Sura: Maidah 117
“They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Sura: Maidah 73
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!”
“Sura Maedah 75″
And to warn those who say that Allah has a son…No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!
(sura: Kahef 5)
This what the creator of Jesus-Mohammad (PBU them), you, me and the whole universe said and prejudge. These are not not fabricated words, these are the truth….
So, again and just from humanity sharing point of view, I do advise you and your colleagues to seriously reconsider your belief system. and to adopt Islam as early as possible for your salvation in the future… The matter is very perilous..Allah Almighty will not accept but Islam as religious belief and a way of life that highlights the willful and voluntary submission of one’s heart and desires to Allah and a commitment to his guidance…
This is my last word…. farewell…
Abdullah
Yes, I wish to add these other translations of verses from Sura Nissa
“but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-”
“Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power”
There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them –
Sura Nissah…
What makes us believe in those facts are simply because Quran is the last holy book from Allah and has not changed since 14 centuries,. i.e. there is only ONE Quran ( as holidy guided-by divine book) which contains scientific facts that are being proved correct, unlike other books..
Abulkarim Shami
correct: as holy guided-by divine book)
Quran is the final and everlasting guided-by divine book, which has not undergone any change (unlike the bible and Torah)…
Another evidence, in Sura ALSAF, the following was mentioned:
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.”
Adopt Islam before it is too late….
The truth: is that Jesus Christ, Moses, Mohammed (peace be upon them) and all the massagers call for ISLAM (the monotheistic concept) in the sense of submission to and worshipping the creator ALLAH, the only god in the universe who is worshiped through good deeds and disciplined religious rituals.
After death a person is rewarded or punished according to his monotheistic religious devotion. You will discover the truth then…The destiny will be either Paradise or Hell..
Abdul Karim
this’s not funny_u have to remove it
To all who said bad thinks about saydna Mohamad then shut up and fuck you’re mice.He’s the the greatest man in the world
the qur’an is the words of GOD sub7an w ta3ala_and Adeel u can fuck youre mom’s ass but don’t talk about saydna mohamad sala allah 3alayh w sallam
wow.this is definatly a crime.who ever has done this has no respect-yes i understand that person that took your flag and burnt is wrong.BUT 2WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT.this is crazy.
okay.im muslim but all the other muslims that are cursing out to others.this isnt our deen.the glorious prophet muhammad[saw]WOULD NEVER DO THAT.we should stay calm and fight back by saying nice words to make the non believers convert.remeber islam isnt only a religion BUT A WAY OF LIFE.
OOH!
A blog swarm of Mohammedans, how typical.
First of all, to Omar, Ol’Moh is dead, so he is not the greatest man alive. Since you clearly aren’t Persian, you don’t get to share the pride of the slave girl that poisoned that sick in the head false prophet.
If Ol’Moh were alive today, and I am eternally grateful to God that he isn’t, Moh would be in prison, sitting on death row for being such a mass murderer, he would also be tried for pedophilia, and would be medicated for his epileptic seizures.
If you guys want to believe that the pathetic tome Ol’Moh is responsible for cursing the world with, fine, go ahead and believe it. If you want to believe purple monkeys shot out of his sorry ass, that’s fine with me too.
But don’t you dare tell me or anyone, that they have to believe the same ridiculous pig shit you do.
If Ol’Moh spoke to any angels, it was most likely the fallen angel, Satan.
Piss off. If I saw that absurd book in my toilet, I would remove it, and use the pages to wipe my ass. That’s the only value it has, because the words printed on the paper are a waste of ink, they are nonsense.
Of course, No2Liberals cannot reply to what Abdullah said above regarding the present Christianity’s mistaken belief , which is ” deviation from the true religious pillar which is monotheism after Jesus Christ’s lift-off to heaven….
Deep inside him, the stinky, No2Liberals, realizes that he is a worshiper of Allah according to what Islam dictates i.e. the monotheism and that Christ (peace be upon him) is only the son of Mary WITHOUT a father. Christ was no more than a messenger of Allah who called for monotheism like Mohammad PBUH…
That jerk , No2Liberals, will realize his erroneous belief later…. But it will be far too late because after death a person is rewarded or punished according to his monotheistic religious devotion in this life. The destiny of disbelievers in Islam will be everlasting Hell..
He will realize the truth one day…. His uppishness and arrogance will do him no good then….
Abdul Karim
That’s “2No Liberal” lacks the simplest rule of dialogue and discussion…
Did you not know that if you want to discuss something with others, you should avert vulgar words, nor attacking the counter party, rather you should be wise and civilized in choosing your phrasing in putting through your ideas to others, in order to persuade them with your point of view in a “producing knowledge”…
In fact, your way of putting ideas reflects that you are unsteady in your belief system ( the backbone of life)…
I believe that Islam is the closer religion to the human nature in term of the doctrine or belief that there is only one God in this universe, who should be worshipped. He is the creator of everything in this world, and that Jesus Christ and Mohammad pbu them are no more than messengers of Allah
A.SH.B.M
Two more Moh butt sniffers appear.
I have explained the error of your beliefs in a sick, murderous man, who slept with little girls, and that no one that twisted could ever be the messenger of my God. Anything Moh said was delusional, and for any to follow what he says is just as deluded, and even more stupid, considering the fact that this is the 21st century, not the 7th.
The Real Truth About Moh.
Save yourselves, followers of the false prophet, and accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
dude or who eva u r u r soooooooo effin stupid! that is insult 2 muslims u little………………. nvr mind stupid dumbass!
Figured that out all by yourself, did you?
But then, it doesn’t take much to insult muslims, considering their belief system is based on a lie, from a lying, murdering, child raper.
Have a fried pork chop, you’ll feel better.
Religion of Peace my firm, ample, hairy ass!
There have been 11,768 deadly Islamic terrorist attacks since 9-11.
Religion of Pieces is more accurate.
Yep, the tradition of Ol’Moh is alive and well, for his ignorant followers.
whoever did this one day they will get punished.please remove this picture.
Moh?
Is that you?
I thought that Persian slave girl poisoned you, and you were drinking cocktails on the banks of the river Styx.
Or do they have the internet in Hell, now?
Still that rotten “No2Liberals” is unable to retort about the corrupted doctrine of the current Christianity
“Jesus Christ PBUH, in the first place, called for monotheism, i.e. belief in one God.( the same present Islam doctrine). Jesus Christ is only a messenger and prophet of Allah. He was NOT crucified and he is NEVER son of Allah. Allah does not need a son. He has an infinite power. He who needs a son is a human being like me and you, who are punctuated with incapability…”
We believe in this fact because it is dictated in Quran by the ALLAH as ONE creator (of universe, humankinds, trees, sun, moon….etc) which has now subsisted so far for 14 centuries and NEVER CHANGED (unlike the many bibles, which were falsified by earthly people).
Look at the Darwin’s theory of evolution how it failed and faded now, because it is false…
Look at the current several Bibles which contained paradoxical information, which made many Christians deviate into secularization…
Look at the atheistic theories how it subsided and declined, because they were false….
The only holy book reference which persists without change is Quran simply becuase it is a true reference addressed to human beings through Mohammad PBUH
Furthermore, the matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the words of Allah. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
Of course the Qur’an is not a book of science. However, many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the words of God addressed to human beings through Mohammad PBUH
I just want to convey to you how the origin of the universe is described in the Qur’an in the following verse:
He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. (Surat al-An’am: 101)
This information given in the Qur’an is in full agreement with the findings of contemporary science. The conclusion that astrophysics has reached today is that the entire universe, together with the dimensions of matter and time, came into existence as a result of a great explosion that occurred in no time. This event, known as “The Big Bang” proved that the universe was created from nothingness as the result of the explosion of a single point. Modern scientific circles are in agreement that the Big Bang is a rational and provable explanation of the beginning of the universe and of how the universe came into being.
Before the Big Bang, there was no such thing as matter. From a condition of non-existence in which neither matter, nor energy, nor even time existed, and which can only be described metaphysically, matter, energy, and time were all created. This fact, only recently discovered by modern physics, was announced to us in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
So, No2Liberals” stop all your spiteful thinking and false information about Islam and our Mohammad PBUH, because you are wrong…
Abdul Karim
In addition to the aforesaid scientific revelation: Mohammad PBUH does NOT instruct people to worship him. He rather called for worshipping Allah as the only god in this universe. So when he conveyed the aforesaid verse:
“He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. (Surat al-An’am: 101)
Certainly he has not fabricated this scientific fact from his own, rather he is a messenger of Allah like Jesus Christ..
The accusations against Mohammad PBUH are all mistaken and spiteful…
His true biography is an exemplar for everybody..
Willy Nilly, Mohammad PBUH is the master of human beings. You will realize this fact one day.. But it will be too late for your salvation, then…
No2Liberals: Damn You!..seriously!!
btw that flag u posted earlier was that flag of saudi arabia not for muslims the sword is something aal-saud decided to put in not prof muhammad..and u got something to say bout saudi say it right here..oh and go buy urself another brain cuz u seriously seem to have lost urs..
PMG,
Isn’t Saudi Arabia the keeper of the Kaaba? Isn’t it considered a Holy place? Aren’t infidels prohibited from setting foot in Mecca or Medina?
Listen toots, islam was spread by the sword, and some say it still is, so seeing the Saudi flag with words from the shahada and a sword on it, shouldn’t surprise any one. It may be the only honest attempt at truth in advertising I’ve seen come from islam.
BTW, loved your video, you girls rock.
fuck you
Syed, look elsewhere for your homosexual interests, I don’t do or get done by guys. I only do girls, and unlike Ol Moh, girls that are fully matured.
No2Liberals :wow ur so ignorant…i mean u dont even think about the stuff we’re saying ur just bashing it…..
Ummik, I have already given the crap posted about Ol Moh serious thought, that is why I bash it.
It’s crap!
That he was the messenger of God=Crap!
He was a vile, mentally unstable psychopath, that had sex with small children. If he is the perfect example for all muslims, it is little wonder that islam is such a perverted, murderous cult.
Believe what you will, but don’t tell me I’m ignorant, when you won’t even examine critically, who it was that came up the Koran, Hadith, and Sura.
It most certainly wasn’t God.
I feel certain that Moh’s pathetic tome, his life and actions, were directed by Satan.
what is “sura”?
its only hadith and quran..stop making ur own crap up..
Mohammad(PBUH) was the massenger of Allah and we didnt ask for ur opinion..
Right back at you, dick head.
Once again, you display your total ignorance of the belief system you bang your head on the ground for, five times a day.
I can’t believe that people can be as dumb as those who believe all the hoo-haa that the murderous bastard mohammed came up with. It defies logic, but then we are talking about islam, so I repeat myself.
You stupid..
Your information are not correct.
Mohammad PBUH did not call for worshshipping himeself, rather he called for Faith or belief in the Oneness of God i.e. to worship Allah ONLY.
“There is none worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is the messenger of God”
Then, if you claim that your currently Christian, your belief system is false, because Jesus Christ PBUH, in the first place, called for monotheism, i.e. belief in one God.( the same present Islam doctrine). Jesus Christ is only a messenger and prophet of Allah. He was NOT crucified and he is NEVER son of Allah. Allah does not need a son. He has an infinite power. He one who needs a son is a human being like me and you, who is punctuated with incapability…
There are many paradoxical bibles, whereas it is only one monotheistic Quran. The true ONE bible was distorted, and replaced, by earthly people, with paradoxical distorted bibles.
Jesus Christ is innocent of such corrupted fabricated stories. Jesus also told his people that there will be a messenger after him who is Mohammad PBUH.
Read and Listen well to what Allah says in Sura Maeda
“They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them”
So get out of here….you are lier to yourself…stop deceiving your badself with a wrong belief system
ur a real stupid jackass 4 doing that u b****!!!!!!!!!
its so so so sorry >>>so bad that we (muslim)
respect all relegions but others no
its reflect that islam is the best which call us to respect all people in different relegion until unimal we should respect you but you cant be good people because you at least have not a arelegion and you proud that you not beleave in god
so who create you???
yes islam is the best and which prove that >>.that every day every year and all the time many of people enter in it and become muslim and proud of that and thanks god for islame
why you dont at least test islam know & know all thing about it then if you found it bad come back
what prevent you????to make test >>you will not lose any thing onle y test it>>>
& i am sure that you will be very happy
you talk also about
killing people
come come to palestine (my country) and see those israeliean who kill us and we want pease with them and they kill and kill children
come & see
beleave me i hope to you a good live realy
Hala, I know y0u are asked to do da’wa, but it is wasted here.
So you are a muslim occupier of Jewish land, eh?
Yeah, I know all about the peace you wish to have, once the Jews are driven into the sea.
When you animals stop doing this, then we might be able to talk about peace, in a few generations.
You really need to pick up a Holy Bible, and save your soul.
pitin lah inalkom alhmir
tum sub ki ma ki cuod samne aa jao tumhari maa ko coud ta hn
if u against muslim that your sister and mother fucking at main raod check it…..
ISLAM is very very very very very very very very nice and very carefull religious.
so dont show again this picture…….otherwise your mother and sister fucking….at my bad room.
Zeeshan Faisal
Pakistan Hyd.
Zeeshan_sirf@hotmail.com
Kamran ali khan zai.
first its not a crime in any law of the U.S but its very sad some one would something like this i dought this man Mr. Shmulevich would like it if i were to flush his holy book. Not a crime but very much hateful thing to do this kind of people need alot of help, if not out of hate why ?
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FUCK YOU
im back if i ever saw this guy i would smile at him and shake his hand because i would be happy to know Allah will punish him in many ways for all of his sins.
To the ROTTEN old-mistaken school: No2Liberals
Wakeup:
“There is none worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is the messenger of God”
Then, if you claim that your currently Christian, your belief system is false, because Jesus Christ PBUH, in the first place, called for monotheism, i.e. belief in one God.( the same present Islam doctrine). Jesus Christ is only a messenger and prophet of Allah. He was NOT crucified and he is NEVER son of Allah. Allah does not need a son. He has an infinite power. He one who needs a son is a human being like me and you, who is punctuated with incapability…
There are many paradoxical bibles, whereas it is only one monotheistic Quran. The true ONE bible was distorted, and replaced, by earthly people, with paradoxical distorted bibles.
Jesus Christ is innocent of such corrupted fabricated stories. Jesus also told his people that there will be a messenger after him who is Mohammad PBUH.
Listen well to what Allah says in Sura Maeda
“They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them”
Beleive it or not… this is truth that you will realize one day… but it will be extremly too late for you.. stop deceiving your badself with a wrong belief system
Islam is Satan’s grand plan.
Mohammed is Satan pretending to be a prophet of God.
Honestly, you followers of Ol’Moh actually believe the crap that came out of his stupid mouth?
WTF is that all about? Do you know what yawning is?
So, according to Ol’Moh, Satan is small enough to hide in your nose, but big enough for Ol’Moh to choke him? Ol’Moh must have had small hands to choke a snot wad.
Uhh…riiiiiiiight!
Dang, Ol’Moh must have been terrified of the dark, to be so fearful of what Satan was up to while he slept.
That’s the funniest one of all. A giant snot wad, running while farting, so he can’t hear the adhan. Everytime I hear the adhan, it makes think of this absurd quote from Ol’Moh, and I bust out laughing.
You will find after the resurrection day that Satan has deceived you in your wrong belief system. You will realize that Satan could be able to deviate your folks and made you diverge from the TRUE MONOTHEISM i.e. worship and believe in one GOD (ALLAH), which 1) corresponds to the human nature and 2) for which Islam calls and 3) for which previously Jesus Christ called. Listen to the following verses:
In the name of Allah the Compassionate, the Merciful
“O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.”
““The Messiah does by no means disdain that he should be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoever disdains His service and is proud, He will gather them all together to Himself.”
“But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.”
(sura Nissa 171-173)
When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?
Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.”
Sura: Maidah 117
“They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Sura: Maidah 73
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!”
“Sura Maedah 75?
And to warn those who say that Allah has a son…No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!
(sura: Kahef 5)
No need to reply, just think of your present life and your future
Farewell…
Farewell to you, and your absurd belief system, that such a wretched person as Ol’Moh could have been a messenger of God.
See, anything that comes from Ol’Moh is a lie, so making references to the koran is citing a book of lies.
Save your soul, and accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
THIS 2LIBRAL HAS A WRONG WAY OF THINKING
BECAUSE MOHAMMAD PBUH DOES NOT CALL FOR WORSHIPPING HIMSELF. HE CALLS FOR WORSHIPPING THE ALLAH CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, CREATOR OF HUMAN BEINGS, THE CREATOR OF NATURE…..
IF ISLAM WAS SET FORTH BY A HUMAN BEING, THEN IT WOULD NOT HAVE LASTED UP TILL NOW SINCE 14 CENTURIES (LOOK AT DARWIN THEORY HOW IT FADED AND SUBSIDED, BECAUSE IT IS A WRONG THEORY SET A HUMAN BEING). YOU SHOULD ANALYZE THIS FACT..
ISLAM IS THE FINAL RELIGION FROM ALLAH SENT TO ALL PEOPLE ON EARTH THROUGH MOHAMMAD PBUH ( IN REPLACEMENT OF THE DISTORTED CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM). IT WILL LAST UNTIL THE RESURRECTION DAY….
ON A QUESTION PUT TO A WELL-LITERATE JAPANESE MAN (WHO IS BUDDHIST) ON THE CURRENT RELIGIONS, HE REPLIED THAT ISLAM IS THE MOST CORRESPONDING RELIGION TO HUMAN NATURE AND HUMAN MENTALITY SINCE IT CALLS FOR WORSHIPPING ONE GOD (ALLAH: THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, CREATOR OF HUMAN BEINGS, THE CREATOR OF NATURE…
Ramadan 15, 2008 – Sept 15, 2008
Abul, you illustrate how damaging banging your head on the ground five times a day truly is.
I have the honour to kneel to my creator (ALLAH – ONE god)..
“There is none worthy of worship except ALLAH and Muhammad is the messenger of God”
But you are at a loss with a false belief system…
FAREWELL
Can you please circulate this exciting peice of newsm whic came from a neutral judging man:
ON A QUESTION PUT TO A WELL-LITERATE JAPANESE MAN (WHO IS BUDDHIST) ON THE RELIGIONS, HE REPLIED THAT ISLAM IS THE MOST CORRESPONDING RELIGION TO HUMAN NATURE AND HUMAN MENTALITY SINCE IT CALLS FOR WORSHIPPING ONE GOD (ALLAH: THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, CREATOR OF HUMAN BEINGS, THE CREATOR OF NATURE…
This is the truth…This is the truth…
H.SH.
now……i have been reading alotof the coments people here left OK AND AM SOOOOOOOOOO MAD!!!!Y CANT U JUST LISTEN !!! Y CANT U ….OK (OH AND I DONT CARE WAT COMMENT U SAY ABOUT ME OR ABOUT ANY OF US ,WE’LL SEE WHO’LL BURN,OH YEAH WE’LL SEE…).listen every year or so some people produce new bibles !!OK now lets see whose fake our quraan never changed OK!! .. i mean wat kind of people do THAT !!FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET!! THAT SHOWS ABSOLUTE NO RESPECT …IS HE DAFT ,THOSE ARE ALLAH’S WORDS AND HE JUST FLUSHES THE QURAAN DOWN THE TOILET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!how could anyone DO that.its just plain ugly..really.and i really dont care wat any of the OTHERS say,i said wat i thot ,which was right.
ok u want proof ,ok i’ll give u proof.in the days of the prophet mohammed (pbu) allah split the moon in half for prophet mohammed’s people to belive him so when allah did it they thot our prophet was a sorcerer ,and now the geologists say that there was a crack and that the moon DID split in half and that happened at the same time prophet mohammed was alive !!wat more proof do u want.
Allah will show him anyway and our prophet mohammed (pbu) was no maniac he is wiser than u 100000000000000000 times.Allah will show him he shouldnt have done that …i mean y?y?y?y?y?y?y?
if he wasnt locked away many people would think it is easy to do wat he did ,well it is not easy and it is most definetly not ok and havent u thot about y there are terrorists well its because of SOME GIANT CONTENANT !!U KILL ,U.TERRORISTS ARENT RIGHT OR GOOD THEY KILL INOCCENT PEOPLE!!but havent u thot wat made them like that its U GIANT CONTINANT ,U.OH AND AN AMERICAN FLAG IS NOT AT THE TEENSIESTPOINT COMPARED TO THE HOLLY QURAN.
feefee,
Honestly, allah split the moon in half, and you claim this is proof because of what? Ol’Moh said so?
He was a murderous, lying, pedophile, nothing he said or has been written down can be believed, except by a mindless drone.
Tell you what, dig around on some astrological websites, and show me proof that what you claim Ol’Moh said about the moon being split is a scientific fact, and I will listen. Until then, which will never come, you are a waste of time.
Ol’Moh was full of crap, ergo, the koran is crap.
So what was the excuse for Ol’Moh and the Arab/Muslim invasions terrorizing much of the world, from the seventh century til now?
This continent or country had nothing to do with Islam being spread by the sword, when it terrorized all the countries in the middle east, and Europe. The first great jihad was defeated at Tours, France in 732, and the second great jihad was defeated at Vienna, Austria in 1685. Those were all invasions by islam. Muslims have been terrorizing peaceful nations since the seventh century, and what upsets them now, and their supporters, like you is, we fight back, because we believe in freedom and liberty, and human rights for all.
We will not submit, we will not convert, and we will not pay the jizya. We will fight islamofascism at every turn, and the founder of islam, Ol’Moh, will still be roasting in hell when his followers arrive to join him.
This “No2Liberals” is very desperate. “You cannot distort the truth… ”
QURAN does not call for killing people of other religions or unbelievers unless those people attack Muslims and the Islamic state. On the country, Islam calls for respecting the Christians or Jews living in the Islamic state peacefully. Islam does not push human beings to be Muslims, but highly calls for Islam.
When Islam came to Syria, for example, which inhabitants were Christians, those Christians embraced Islam voluntarily. Why? Because they realized the truth that MOHAMMAD PBUH does not call for worshipping himself. Rather, he calls for worshipping ALLAH the creator of the universe, creator of human beings, the creator of nature and that Islam is the final religion from ALLAH sent to human beings on earth. They realized the justice of Islam between all peoples…
They realized the truth that Jesus Christ PBUH, in the first place, called for monotheism, i.e. belief in one God.( the same present Islam doctrine). Jesus Christ is only a messenger and prophet of Allah. He was NOT crucified and he is NEVER son of Allah. Allah does not need a son. He has an infinite power. He one who needs a son is a human being like me and you, who is punctuated with incapability…
Then, you should know that MOHAMMAD PBUH is free from all the spiteful, furious accusations you said. If you read his biography from correct sources, then you would understand that he is a merciful man and called for salvation of human beings by worshipping the ONE god (ALLAH)… He is the last prophet to the humankinds.
He had a Jewish neighbor in Al- Madina, and that the Jewish neighbor’s son accessed to Islam.
If your accusations against him are correct, then Islam would NOT have lasted up till now… If Islam is a philosophical theory, then it would NOT have lasted up to the 21 century…
This a clear conclusion..
FAREWELL….
Really? That’s what you have been told?
How pathetic!
Read that ridiculous tome yourself, and stop relying on lying imams.
As for Syria, you make it sound like they welcomed Umar and his islamic army. Quite the contrary, as Syria was attacked and defeated, it was not a case of self defense. Christians in Syria were forced to submit, and pay the kharaj and jizya, as Umar needed the money. While his army was attacking Syria, he already had an army enroute to Persia. After Syria was defeated, Umar attacked Egypt.
I call bullshit on the false claims that any of the countries that were conquered by the arab/islamic invasions, gladly and willingly welcomed the murderous system called islam. As a Christian, I am proud to know that it was a Christian Persian that assassinated the blood thirsty Umar.
I am glad to see some muslims are willing to join the 21st century, by updating the burka.
The said “suras of Quran” address the enemies of Islam particularly in the early stage of establishing the Islamic state (14 centuries ago). As you may well know that when the Islamic state started at that time, many tribes and folks wanted to destroy the new religion which is Islam (the last religion sent by Allah to humankind in replacement of Christianity and Judaism). As such those suras are NOT a general rule, they speak about special cases i.e. attacking those who want to kill Muslims and ruin the Islam state. This is a natural reason because when criminals attack you or your home, you legally have the right to defend your selves and retaliate…
Your other information are false , because I am Syrian and know well how Islam entered to this country i.e. not forcing our people to embrace Islam, rather by calling for Islam. The people realized the truth of Isalm which called for monotheism, i.e. belief in one God.( the same present Islam doctrine) and they embraced this true relgion
which corresponds TO HUMAN NATURE AND HUMAN MENTALITY SINCE IT CALLS FOR WORSHIPPING ONE GOD (ALLAH: THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, CREATOR OF HUMAN BEINGS, THE CREATOR OF NATURE…
So correct your data and belief system..
Arrogant bullshit. This is a perfect example of why islam and it’s adherents are dysfunctional.
So which is it, dumb-ass, self-defense or preemption? That’s another problem with islam, it wants to have it both ways, and gets upset when it gets called on it’s bullshit.
Islam was spread by the sword. Syria was conquered, Iraq was conquered, Persia was conquered, Egypt was conquered, ad nauseum.
The arrogance of islam is breathtaking.
That anyone could actually believe the bullshit it promotes is a classic example of brain washing.
well wat do you know i have been wasting my time trying to let u see!
well i have things to be getting on with so good riddens
you know i dont think i should be wasting my time writting this to you just to make u understand butt listen we all know that miracles doo exist they dont just come out of no where , god is not there for nothing and you knoww that space, earth moon and everything wasnt just there soo yaa god made all of thatt and yess he did make the moon into half and i know if i got you a proof u wont believe so ill tell u one thing believe it or not its true u can google it , some might say its nt true bt i hate to brake this down for u IT DID HAPPEN AND ITS TRUE DEAL WITH IT!!!!
i feel sorry for some people. -.-
and who ever wrote the comment above. dude your soo write they dont have to believe but one day i swear some people will be very sorry for this! and everyone will know the turth.
who ever did this page needs to get a life ASAP all this person wants is ppl fighting! fuck you, yousack of pig shit
Yes, reading all the dialogues boxes above, it is clear that it is waste of time to keep the dialogue with that “No2Liberals”.After all the evidences discussed, he is still obstinate with his wrong belief system. So I suggest to end all this.
ISLAM and MOHAMMAD PBUH do not an advocate to defend…
If the accusations against Islam are correct, then Islam would NOT have lasted up till now… If Islam is a philosophical theory, then it would NOT have lasted up to the 21 century…
This is the simple conclusion that “No2Liberals” will realize sooner or later. So let’s end this…
To: 2Liberals:
The other truth is that Jesus Christ PBUH, in the first place, called for monotheism, i.e. belief in one God.( the same present Islam doctrine). Jesus Christ is only a messenger and prophet of Allah. He was NOT crucified and he is NEVER son of Allah. Allah does not need a son.
So after you get out of here, reconsider your wrong belief system, get rid of this psycho-spasm that you have… If you go back to your self and your instinct , you will find that it is structured with the etched belief in one God who is ALLAH. i.e. the Monotheism:- Allah is the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy supreme being, the source of the highest good. Mohammad and Jesus Christ PBU them are only a worshipers, messengers and prophets of Allah.
This is the last advice….. Think before it is too late…
LOL…Nice long joke, flush Quran how many times you want and i know you will regret that for sure one day. it doesn’t neither hurt God or Muslims.
I just want to saw…
OPEN YOUR EYES!!
look at what you’re writing and then look at what my brothrers and sisters are writing.
You again and again bash Mohammad (peace be upon him) and the Quran…
However look at us we didn’t lift a finger agaist Jesus (peace be upon him) or your bible.
You are showing weakness by not showing us your strengths but rather attepmting to attack us.
Lets assume we are wrong (which we are definitely NOT) then if you claim to be christian where does it say in your Bible that cursing is okay? or degrading other people and their beliefs is acceptable…? IT DOESN’T!
I also want you to notice another thing…there are so many of us because we know what’s RIGHT and we aren’t afraid to say it…How many other anti-islamic people do you see? one because the other correct christians know there is nothing to argue about…
Im not asking you to convert or anything I just want you to see how loving us Muslims are. that we come to the help of a brother or sister we don’t even know…
That is all…
And I wish you good luck…
Salam to all my brothers and sisters…
fear of god. in the dayall religons gather infront of god and moslims are the top religon.and juish peaple know that finaly Eslam win so they try so be their first enemy.but all muslims are the one AND MUSLIMS WILL WIN .don’t for get WE DISTORY ISRAEL.
ALI ALI
[Editor --- I will not submit. Not now, not ever. And I'll stand with Israel and fight you to your death to preserve Israel and its right to exist.
I see from your IP address that you are in Iran. Speaking of a country that needs to be destroyed...]
guess wat? this is a waste of time AND whoever did this page wants trouble.you dont have to be muslims if u dont want but dont insult it i mean thats sooo low .why wuld anyone do that ?i mean.
and really u should all leave this place it’s just trouble.
you did a wrong shooce all muslims will fuck you bitch dont you dear to do that god will do bad thigs on you becasuse of doing that thas haram for muslims and not gest form muslims for every other religion why did you do that we dont do something about your religion book because we respect all other religions like cristions, budism, jewish and more,also we respect all religions because ALLAH(God) made all of the religions that we should respect all of them but not doing stipid thigs about other religions when you die you will burn up for doing this if you are muslim but if you not something will happen with you bad in your religions so please remove this picture and fill sorry for doing this. ALLAH(God) sees everything what you than
Hi and welcome everybody am so proud that all the muslims who commented in this blog didnt say a bad word on jesus or the bible ,, and ofcourse am so proud to be one of them who will or would never say any bad about the christians , prophet jesus or the bible because my prophet mohammed PBUH told us never to say any thing about any prophet before him .. and to treat other reliegons people like your brothers until they prove the opposite dont matter if they’re black or white , just brothers …
Proud Being Muslim
Peace
another thing , how could u bring a FLAG to a HOLYBOOK ..
you seems to be nut , and u writes anything on anything just to have fame ,, haha so funny
i dunno why many people hates islam , is it just because it tells us not to have sex until mirrage ,, or it tells us not to drink ALCOHOL which causes a lot of accidents ,, ur nutss people u let people drink then fine them on high ways cuz of speeding loool ,, what a funny
peace
how can u compare an american flag to the quran??? the flag is not an equivalent of a religious symbol but the quran is. the words of god are written in a holy book and not a flag! therfore flushing a holy book down the toilet is a crime that should be punishable. and if humanity doesnt correct this wrong doing then God definately will!!!
But honor belongs to Allah and His Messenger, and to the Believers
Fack you you are the bitch…..
Hey, remember in next two days you website is off rember ……….
If this piece of news is correct, then there is no need for such a fabricated image …
Quran is a holy divine book of the creator of this universe ALLAH…
Torment is anticipated for the stupid person who done this behaviour, and for the guy who fabricated this ugly image.
Please remove the said image . This is not a democratic behaviour nor is it a free-thinking. It is a brutal behaviour, which will be punished, sooner of later, bythe creator of this universe ALLAH Almighty
Listen to your instinct, don’t you feel shamed from your creator ALLAH…
Please remove this image…
how dare u pple do this to our holy book…..u scaundralls,basterds u kamina kutta zallil suwar haramzada suwar ka bacha…….kaminon,allah tumlogon ko zarur saza de ga……..jahannum ki aag me sado
didnt i tell u that the writer of this passage is DEAD now !!
why would you do that if you are a muslim
Please remove this image now… Thank u.
[Editor --- No. I won't take it down. We enjoy this little thing here in America that Islamic countries under Sharia would never allow. We like to call it freedom of speech. Hell or just "freedom" for that matter, since Sharia doesn't allow for that either.
Islam is nothing more than a death cult, and I'll continue to voice that opinion until you fuckers quit blowing shit up and beheading people simply because they "insulted" your faux-religion.]
Whoever flushes the holy quran down the toliet or disrespects it in anyway then they are living in true error and I truly wish that God forgives them.
To Editor: one last few words
If the accusations against Islam are correct, then Islam would NOT have lasted up till now… If Islam is a philosophical theory, then it would NOT have lasted up to the 21 century… Read correct references on Islam…
You wil realize the truth one day, but it will be too late for you to repent or ask foreginess from your creator ALLAH, becuase you have particpated in showing this fabricated page intentionally, which harm Allah’s holy book (the Holy Koran). So, anticipate torture for your self if have have already taken a decision not to repent….
Farewell…
To the Editor of the site,
First and foremost, i fail to comprehend how a man of religion, a devout christian- as you claim to be, would use such vulgar and offensive language. It’s acceptable not believe in a certain religion, or accept it’s belief system; but its another thing to attack it.Your comments about Prophet Muhammed were uncalled for.
Secondly, i wish to advise you NOT to haphazardly aquire snippets of information and ‘alleged’ hadeeths about Allah (S.W.T),Islam, or the Prophet Muhammed (May Peace be upon him) and copy them here, that is unresponsible. While the word of Allah, the Quran is completely authentic (In the revealed Arabic form- translations by man are not always infallible); Hadiths (sayings of the prophet) are aquired from narrations by companions and people around the prophet at the time. Naturally this means that unlike the Quran, not ALL hadiths are authentic; that is not say we refute hadiths, only that we are wary as to the authenticity of a hadith before we use that as a basis for religious studies- and there are scholars and the like who verify the authenticity of Hadeeths.
HENCE, you can not go pasting every hadith you find (Especially from Anti-islam sites) you have no right to do this, and do NOT have the credentials , in the same way a pastor or preist would be more knowledgable in matters of christainity, than a man on the street.
Thirdly, since you keep on mentioning the marriage of Aisha to prophet Muhammed, i’d like to address it. One important matter to understand is that the prophet NEVER marrried to satisfy his own sexual desires. In fact his first marriage was to Khadija a wealthy business woman, who was 15 years older than him and who asked for HIS hand in marriage, because she was so pleased with his behaviour, kindness, respect and morals NOT the other way around. And for the record the prophet did NOT re-marry again until AFTER Khadija passed away. Furthermore, yes the prophet did marry Aisha at a young age, but you must understand that this was socially and culturally acceptable at that time. Hence you need not take things out of context, for example sacarring of the face and body is revered and found as a symbol of beauty in some african tribes, whereas in the west it is looked down upon- so please refrain from defaming the prophet.
The rest of the prophet’s wives, i wont go into detail here,but i’ll tell you this: the majority of them were either destitute or widows and thus he prophet married them to HELP them and not to satisfy himself, in fact many were in old age.
I hope that you will reconsider your ways despite your religion, if Jesus (May peace be upon him) was a man that encouraged kindness, no doubt, and you follow him, i’m sure he wouldn’t approve of your actions, so renounce your hateful ways and remove this picture.
Sincerely,
Proud Muslimah
this is offences to the islamic people of the world. who ever published this picture is f**ked out of there head. all hater will be punished by the one and only !!!!!!ALLAH!!!!!!
hey just make peace around here
peace
please romove this pic
is very bad what you are doing this is not a way !
we all believe on god and every one has his way to do it
Salam = peace
if you uanderstand the quran f good you willbileve in the gad but iwish you how is but this photo like this reely uanderstand you salf but thank abut your bady look for your hand and your lig& all of thank arauned you from wher they come , if you can read the quran
you will like . and if you dont like ……….? lifed and dont dont dont
hrad the ether …………………………………
aye “EDITOR”
It may be enjoyable moment for you to get views from others showing this crap, but listen whoever enjoy in the favor of this picture, there life will be flushed same way and others people will laugh as same way as they did here, that will be God Judgment.
You believe or not it will happen.
u fucking moron, there is no latest edition of quran, it’s the same book nothing changed since the beginig, but i don’t blame u, i suppose u’re familiar with the “holly” bible that can be changed by any fool that sits in vatican or wherever, call me whatever u like but that picture bothers me big time! u’re right that is not crime that’s a public insult!!
My freind, much has been said.
All the above solutions will never help if you can’t just leave other people’s business alone. What is the problem with the man who bought then threw the Quraan in the toilet? What does he gain from that. That will never bring Islam down. Quraan is in the heart of 100 million muslims worldwide having memorized the whole 1000 pages of the Holy Book of God.
If you don’t want Islam, you don’t want the Koran(Quraan) just it leave alone. Leave Muslims alone, Leave other people to do what they want. If they are disturbing you, you can tell them politely. It is not wise to throw the Holy books of other religions in the toilet like shit as if you are saying the whole 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, of all nations on earth, USA, UK, Canada, Australia, Africa, Asia, Europe, as far as North Pole, South Pole are stupid and ignorant of what they are doing.
If you need to know more about Islam and Christianity, do not hesitate to read this, http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html
Thank you,
to : No2Liberal
jab kayaamat ka din aaye gaa tou tumhe pata chale ke Allah Azwajjal tumhe kya saza de ga! jab jahannam ki aag mein sado ge tou tab pachtaana!!!!!! lekin tum par rahem nahi keeya jaaye ga! agar izzat nahi kar sakte tou hamaare pyaare nabi karim sallallaahu alayhi waalayhi wa sallim ke baare mein haraam lafz tou istamal mat karo!!!!! taras aata hai mujhe tum par! pata nahi kab khulengi tumari aankhe! tum kaafiroun ko sakth se sakht saza deh ga Allah Azwajjal. meri baat par ghor karna…us aakhri din ke aane sey pehle.
to: No2Liberal
WHY DON’T U JUST SHUT UP?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHATS UR PROBLEM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND SOMEONE…PLEASE REMOVE THAT PIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I)
Fever muslim, make me shut up, pig’s-ass.
My problem?
Why…are you a doctor?
Are you aware that the honorable way to dispose of an American flag after it is no longer suitable for display is to burn it? It’s in the US code, look it up.
Why anybody would feel the need to flush a Qur’an down the toilet is beyond me…maybe read it first. I’m not in any way justifying burning an American flag nor am I justifying flushing a Qur’an down the toilet, but doing these in the name of discontent or whatever is counter-productive at best.
There is a difference between burning a flag and burning a Holy book. You cannot compare burning a flag with the Muslim’s Holy book. You can compare burning the Muslim’s Holy book with another religion’s Holy book. I don’t know what your religion is, but how would you feel if i say that i want to burn the Holly book of your religion. I’m sure no one will be happy about someone saying that he/she wishes to burn some one else’s religion’s Holly book and no one has the right to say so. I guess we all need to put ourselves in people’s shoes before making any comments or offending their religion because we would not like any one doing it to us.
Ruby, God Bless You, but you are a dhimmi.
If you paid any attention at all, you would know the koran isn’t holy. It is words taken down by a man who married six year old girls, for heavens sake. If he were alive today, he wouldn’t be alive at all. He would be executed for murder and pedophilia.
God doesn’t chose such men to spread his message.
Comparing a flag and a holy scripture is something totally different. The proper comparison would be a Bible or a Torah. I’m sure flushing those down the toilet would be major hate crimes! Therefore, likewise, flushing the Quran down the toilet IS a hate crime. Believe it or not!
Flag and Quran DONT match!!!
Flushing Quran in toilet hahahahaha keep it up
Well.May be you don’t know What is Qur-an.The Book that has only the words of The God.Not only flushing but even throwing the Holy Qur-an is very Dangerous you can get crazy,play with people and don’t play with God.Im not blaming you ? blame your parents who have not taught the manners of Humanity.You seem to be like an animal.If I could find you doing that you could be dead.Try to realize the foolishness of your thought,and change the ideas from negative to positive.
[Editor --- Bring it you death-cult-worshiping bitch. After the barbaric, sub-human acts committed by your fellow Muslim goat fuckers in Mumbai, you have the nerve to call someone who merely posts a fake image of a Qa ran being flushed an animal? Go fuck yourself. Come and find me, if you'd like. I promise you I'm much better armed and trained then a bunch of tourists in a hotel. I'll shoot you in both legs and then bury you alive up to your neck in a pig sty.]
you sad sad man, uneducated unintelligent disgrace to mankind
Now I know your problem.And may be you are getting crazy without knowing yourself.Go and see a doctor for more help on you psychology problem.Which kind of religion are you in?I want to help you?
[Editor --- Help me with my religion? Is this where you invite me to join Islam (as instructed by the Qu ran) before you try to cut my infidel head off?]
Ok!Solve your own problems with your Cracked brain.
Can you give me address of your location,?f you are in America tell me which city are you in and your location.I want to talk with you before leaving the country if you don’t mind.
Uh huh. Sure think, Hadjis.
How about you tell me exactly where you are?
After seeing this picture i was appalled because it is not something a human being would do, even if it is a fake picture. After reading the article i was further shocked by the ignorance of its writer. How could someone compare a flag to a a holy book? A flag is just a flag and it’s nothing more than cloth. Also, as someone mentioned here according to the US Code: The honourable way to dispose of an American flag is to burn it and that’s what many American heros did in times of war. I am ashed if the author of this article is a Christian because this is not what Christianity teaches me in my opinion. This is a disgrace to all Christians and Humans. I would take anyone who does that for the Bible as an animals and I sure do not have a better opinion of this writer.
And you dare say that Jesus said to love your enemy? I am sure he would not like this.
Sadly some Christians and their own selfrighteousness and ignorance is what made Christianity the most regressing of all religions of the world, according to the Pope and the Vatican.
Surprisingly Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world by conversion especially in the West.
If only my fellow Christian would act like what Jesus said then we would be better of than doing what this disgraceful person who wrote this article did.
For the sake of honesty that Jesus preached, i hope my comment wont get censured and that people start doing what Jesus said.
NOW ,U SHOULD REMOVE THIS PIC. OR SERIOUSLY I WILL PUT U URSELF IN THE TOILET AND FLUSH U….
Wow ignorence to the MAX!!!
Well im only 15 an im kind of a”new musim”and i find that islam is the religion for me.I whould just like to say a few things.
1.Thos ayyah (verses) say to kill or fight the disbealvers ONLY if they threaten you o if there is a war…not randomly kill them
2.The prophetP.B.U.H was th most merciful if you whould read about him get informed.
3.All predictions in ahadith(narrations of propet)and quran have come true.
4.YOU(even I)have No Idea how many muslims are converting EVRY day.
And also please take of this picture peopl are yelling at you a cusin but please it is vry insulting I know you might not give a crap but please.
Please Please do not say or blames us on the day of resurection for not talking to you about islam.
[Editor --- I see from your IP address that you live in Canada. It's not too late for you to escape the death cult grip of Islam. You're young and not living in an Islamic country. Unlike some of those countries, the Canadians won't put you to death for becoming an apostate.
Oh, and while you're distancing yourself from the lunatic ravings of muhammed (piece not upon him), you look like you're in dire need of an actual education. Look into that too.]
May Allah(God) forgive you and everyone..and bestow you Hidaya(guidance).
Ive been reading everything around here about Islam, and I am Very disappointed of what i used to be.
El Hamdlilah God has opened my heart, to Islam.
The only reason i accepted Islam is because someone that i really trusted in which whom was my priest embraced Islam, and he took his time to explain to me everything. I was crying and moaning after a few minutes of what i heard, and couldn’t help it but i not only embraced Islam but my christian wife left me and took all 3 kids with her.
I kept asking God for his mercy, and after 3 years, i’m living with my Muslim wife and all my 3 kids. ALL of them embraced Islam.
And please for you people that translate the quran, you have to read the whole Surah and not cut ayat from it.
Inshallah (If God wills) He will open your hearts to what is right and what is wrong.
Please remember that if their was one American terrorist doesn’t mean we are all terrorists, same goes for the Muslims that i have faulted in my early lives.
May God open the hearts of all you people, wither Christians Muslims or even Jews.
P.S
We don’t have versions of the Quran like we used to for the bible. Quran is only one version.
And all 3 main holy books we have to believe in. The one for the Christians, the Jews and Muslims, for all are words of god before they started having versions for the bible and Jew book.
P.S.S
Don’t try to track my ip
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pero sabesque nos esperamos un dia hhhhhhh
Porque que -que hacia eso- tienes miendo de muerte hhhhhhh
ACHHADO AN LA ILAHA ILA LAH.
WA ACHHADO ANA MOHAMED RASOLO LAH.
I’d like to ask you a question. Are you a Christian? If you are then would you like it if i threw your bible into the toilet because I hated Christians? (By the way I’ve never heard of any muslim that has done such a thing, but i’ll just say that a true,practicing, and devout muslim would never throw some other religion’s holy book down the toilet.)Would you like it if I insulted your holy prophet? (Either way muslims can’t insult Jesus because he is one of their prophets as well.)
I don’t think so.
If you are not a christian: Burning the American flag is not as near as bad as flushing the quran down the toilet. it may be nothing to you, but to us muslims its an insult. The quran is the holy book of the reglion Islam. Whereas the american flag is just the flag of a country, it is not associated in any way to a religion. Maybe patriotism, but not religion.
Ifyou think that the prophet Muhammad is so bad a person listen to this:
When he went to look for a city in Arabia that would convert to islam and let him and his followers live there, he went to the village of Taif, and asked the head of the village if they could assist him, but they refused. When he was walking out of the village with a companion of his, when the children of the village started running after him and threw stones at him. When he finally ran out of the village he was bleeding. An angel came to him and asked him if he would want God to destroy the village. But he did not choose so, he chose to forgive them.
If you think Christianity is THE religion, why don’t you speak respectfully of it? Why does Saint Mary have to cover her hair and not other women? {In every church i’ve been to there is a picture of her with a veil on her head} When God asked us muslims to not eat pork, he said it for a reason. Pigs are not clean animals that you can eat. (Muslims are only allowed to eat pork when it is the only thing available.) Have you watched the pork and coke experiment? Coke is poured over a slab of pork and after a while worms start squirming out of the meat. Christians are allowed to eat that? If Christianity is really a religion of peace and fairness, then why was Jesus crucified for all your sins? Is that fair? Its like this; A child stole candy from the store, and his mother instead of punishing him punishes her other son, for the boy’s mistake. IS THAT FAIR? idont think so.
if you think u have so much knowledge about islam by reading parts of the quran, and not the whole truth, by studying muslim extremists rather than the true devout muslims. then youre wrong cuz you got a lot more to learn.
be openminded and research islam from different point of views. Have you ever heard of how Cat Stevens became muslim? It’s a beautiful story! If you dont want to do these things its not unexpected, because arrogance takes over after a while, but I suggest it, because if you want to display the truth that is what you have to do. If you think Islam is such a bad religion, then why do you think its the fastest spreading religion? Why do you think every day Christians convert to Islam? Would you think 1.5 billion people could be wrong about a belief?
AF,
First off, the blog owner is an agnostic, but I’m a Christian.
I’m not going to address all that you wrote, just the last parts.
First off, I’m not interested in your dawa.
No, I don’t consider islam a religion, anymore than I consider environmentalism a religion. I think islam is a death cult. It is not the fastest spreading, it is the fastest growing, because of very high birth rates.
Because there are idiots, no matter where you go.
A better question is, why do six million muslims convert to Christianity every year, including in countries where they can get their heads chopped off?
Of course, especially when they are raised into, don’t know any different, because any true religion isn’t allowed in muslim countries, or are abused, and they are made to fear becoming an apostate or heretic.
Islam is a retrograde force on the dignity of men. It stifles achievement and success.
Here’s a question for you. If islam is such a great benefit to mankind, then why, out of all the muslim countries, there isn’t even one university in the top five hundred universities in the world? As tiny as Israel is, they have five.
You need to do a thorough reexamination of your belief in such a backward and violent cult.
Hey Libby boy:
I will not waste my time to dignify answers to your false, misinformed, manufactured statements above, because no matter what anyone says, you are determined to stay ignorant. As to versus you mentioned you know what you are trying to do, there are many verses in the bible and the old testament that I can take out of context make the same stupid remarks you are making about Quran’s verses.
Just a couple of points and then I will let you drawn in your own ignorance:
I suggest you take your head out of your……and go and research the miracles of Quran and ask how could anyone come up with concepts in baby’s birth, Embryology, Cosmology, the origin of life and universe, Evolution, Geology,… 1400 years ago other than the creator (God) himself.
You keep making a idiotic statement as most uninformed mainstream biased media -followers believe which is “Islam was won by sword”, force, and Jezya etc…Tell me what about Far East in China, Indonesia (largest Muslim country), Malaysia, where no Muslim army ever set foot on? Where they forced by Sword? What about in USA, less than 30 years ago there were hardly half a million Muslims, and now at least 6millions live in US, are these all by Sword? What about France and UK?
Another thing, if you read your own Christian history, you would know that when a manmade ideology is forced on people, they will rebel, much like your buddies did when Europe was finally liberated from the Church (who as you recall burned books and burned people at stakes, etc…) then Europe became completely secular and still remains so today.
BTW, Jezya was taken from non-Muslims as Tax in order to pay for the Muslim army to defend the country from maniacs like crusaders, Romans, etc… Ask any Jew before the Spanish inquisition; Jews (as well as Christians) lived in peace and harmony under Muslim flag in Spain as well as other Muslim-controlled countries.
There is more but why should I waste my time with you
To all of you who have emailed and responded to Libby boy, please stop and don’t waste your time
Lil Nicky boy,
I see you trying the idiots approach, of calling others ignorant, in an attempt to impress others with how bright you are.
I am unimpressed.
There would have never been the crusades, had there not first been almost four hundred years of the Arab-Islamic invasions, and the desecrating of the Holy Land.
The miracles of the koran? You mean the ridiculous bullshit spouted off by Ol Moh, the homicidal murderer and pedophile?
I do agree with you on one thing, and that is to stop wasting your time with me. The koran is not the word of God, it is from a very sick and troubled man, that was able to fool enough ignorant desert dwellers to go to war for him, and spread his vile and disgusting beliefs. That so many believe his crap, and call it the word of God, defies not only logic, but the best interest of man on God’s creation.
Speaking of Ol Moh, here is a link that describes how he received one of his made up messages from God.
Sex with Slave-girl: How Prophet Muhammad Cheated Wife Hafsa to Sleep with Maria?
Click on the link, it has an excellent illustration.
For the muslims that read this, I don’t care if you are Sunni, Shia, or even Wahhabi, Sufi, or Salsfist, to me all islam is derived from the same vile source, the koran. Written from the words and deeds of a vile and reprehensible creature, deceivingly called the word of God, and believed by far too many.
Here is a quote from Khomeini for those who are in denial or Dhimmis:
I don’t care if any muslims say they disagree with Khomeini, what he has said about the koran is the truth, and as stupid and radical as he was, he was at least honest about the koran.
You fucking prick Islam and Christianity are basically the same u fucking bloak
Jamil,
What you smoking?
Since when has Christianity ever preached this bull-shit?
Be gone, dumb-ass.
I wonder why cant you adress ALL that i said? is it cuz you got no answer? LOL .
PS were do you get a ll this “If you dont become muslim they’ll chop your head”off crap? how dare you call me AGNOSTIC when believing in god is my #1 priority? Do you wanna know the real reason to why muslims that were raised muslim stay6 muslim? its cuz they have ALL their questions answered. whereas more and more christians convert to islam cuz their priests/ preachers cant answer any of their questions. an answer to your question of universtities. Hve you ever heard of Al Azhar university in Cairo Egypt?
AF,
It’s not that I can’t, I refuse to.
You aren’t worth the effort.
Yeah, islam has all the answers…blah…blah…blah.
Your bullshit notion that Christians are converting to islam, is without evidence. Whereas, the fact that six million muslims convert to Christianity is fact, one that concerns islamic leaders.
Six Million African Muslims Convert to Christianity Each Year
Al-Jazeerah Website
Here is the list of the top five hundred from 2007.
Actually, Cairo University made it to 403 in the world(huzzah), but only third in it’s region, with no other muslim countries in the list.
Just because al azhar is old doesn’t mean it is worth a damn.
The rankings prove that overall, Muslims continue to suck at higher education.
Islam abhors free, critical, and rational thought that is at the heart of education. Islam is the very antithesis of progress.
Glad to help inform you of the disservice islam performs for it’s adherents.
layna3l waldin mok yarabi t3teh chi marda limaymoutche fiha
mohamed,
Ouyay areway ellingyay, osay ouyay ustmay ebay oneway ofway
osethay Ohammedmay uttbay issingkay idiotsway.
Eatway itshay andway ieday, ivefay imestay away ayday
eadbangerhay.
ohh my god who ever in this page as insultaed islam they need to get a fuckin lyf coz i dont c anyone in this page thats a muslim insultain a christian.thats the problem wid u guys u dont think u just com out wid som random shit,so stop ur fukin talks about islam coz allah will not forgive you and i no u dont belive in islam but islam is the only religion and at the end of this world i hope all of u that hate allah,the holy quran and muhammed(s.a.w) go to hell and never have happyness in this world and the other.
islam rules lol
so fuck u haters
you realy enjoying this mother fucker . all what i wana say is watch out. no realy watch out for your life it will turn misserable.
Suzan, I’m sorry you found out I was a mother-fucker, you weren’t supposed to know.
But since she told you, remind her she still owes me fifty cents change on the dollar I paid her.
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well floshing kuran is not like floshing amirica falag it is more than that .Quran is every thing to us ‘muslims’ and you can not flosh everything belong to us we respect other religions and asking you guys to respect us. No effence but imagne that somebody is floshing bible or any thing you beleave in it what will your resbond be ?? we never ever heard that muslims did any thing to bible .As a muslim i whant to say that if i was chousen to shot quran or shot my self i would chose to shot my self because quran is better than the entier world i can not stand and watch people effencing quran and shut my mouth .YOU HAVE TO STOP DOING THAT DISRESPECFUL THING
stupid conservatives. do us all a favor and go die.
There is a huge difference between flushing a Quran and burning a flag. A flag is a representation of a country, the Quran is GOD’s words, its the same God of the Jews, the Christians, it was sent with his final messenger Mohammed(pbuh), and it should be shown the same respect as the Gospel (Bible) and Torah are shown. Maybe if we knew a little more about each other there would be little more kindness and a little more respect shown. Just remember this, people say give respect to get it… How about giving a little first, its amazing what a little bit of kindness can do.
Oh good grief!
Mary, your weak “can’t we all just get along” bullshit is tired and old.
The koran is not God’s word, it is the incoherent ramblings of a tortured soul, who murdered thousands, and married a six year old girl.
You need to get a clue before you spout your bleeding heart crap.
Maybe you haven’t seen the FBI list for the top twenty most wanted terrorists. Notice anything, Mary?
ERC, I almost didn’t notice you.
So you want conservatives to die?
Thanks for demonstrating, yet again, the kind, compassionate, and tolerant left.
You’re a credit to your mentally challenged ideologues.
the next person who fukin insults islam and says the Quran is not the words of allah needs to get there facts right befor chattin shit u bitches need to learn about islam first then chat coz u dont know shit about it.first of all islam means peace and its america and all u other shit contries that make us muslims have a bad name secondly muhammed s.a.w didnt marry a six years old he only married all those girls because they were poor and they needed hel and theirdly dont fukin aquse and insult muslims coz we will rule once again!!!!!!!
Dumb-ass!
Where did you learn that, at friday prayers? Islam means “submission.”
Actually, it is islam that gives you muslims a bad name, as it has kept it’s followers ignorant and backward.
If muslim countries are so wonderful, then tell me, how many computers, software, airplanes, or large ships are designed or manufactured in those countries?
Oh no? So you deny Aisha was his last and most favorite wife?
You’re dumber than I thought.
Mohammed(piss be upon him) was a sexual deviant, not a messenger of God.
Really? When have you ever ruled anything other than countries that you could force to submit, die, or pay the jizya, by the sword?
Islam knows no other way, it is an outdated, and retrograde force on mankind.
u really are a fukin a racist bitch u basterd ur da really was a bastered he needs to starteachin u some manner u ignorant 100 years old man ,u fukin bitch i hope u rot in hell and hever have a happy life well i can tell u dont really have a happy life as ur being soo fukin rude about others religion u son of a bitch, u need to get ur facts right befor u start insulting other peoples religion.one thing tell me which religion u are???????? plz dont tell me ur a cristian coz then i couldnt say anything about jesus coz he our prophet as well but if u are plz tell me coz i could think of another 5478 things that are discusting,hurtful,ugly and shamefull about u cristians!!!!!!!!and i hope piss will be upon u when u die and i hope its a muslim that does it u dikhead! ohhh and by the way this ia girl whos only 14 years old chattin to u!! and if u tell me where u live i will cum up there and beat the shit out of u then piss on ur grave myself! u bitch.
A fourteen year old girl, eh?
Nice potty mouth you have there.
But being so young, you have a chance to turn your life around, and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, and save your soul.
Remaining on the path you’re on will only lead to a life of misery, and an eternity in Hell.
Mohammed is/was a false prophet, and if you are intelligent enough to use a computer, you should already know that is the truth.
ohhhh finaly u speek wid some manners,see u can be nice if u tryed!yeah i no jesus saved us coz hes our prophet aswell but you cant say hes lord well u can but i cant,because theres only one god.and iam sure i wont be livin in hell later on,well thats what we all say dont we if ur a christian u say everyone is going to hell exept christians if ur a muslim u say the same thing,we all have our rights to our opinion and if this is ur way of converting or changing peoples mind about there religion sorry but it will never work coz ur talking to people lyk u own them.sorry for beein so mean to u earlier on but u need too start actin lyk an adult and stop screaming at everyone!!!!!!!!!and plz stop trying to give muslims a bad name coz muslims will never change there minds on there religion(at least i wont) and plz stop saying bad things about prophet muhammed s.a.w coz how would u fell if people went around saying things like that about jeseus?i hope u stop givin muslims a bad name in the future !! :p
How could I possibly give muslims a bad name?
They do such a good job of that all by themselves.
If you could step out of your takfir and actually condemn the mufsideen for their evil ways, I might have a different opinion. All I hear are muslims say they condemn the deaths of innocents, not a condemnation of muslim mufsideen.
There have been more than 12,500 deadly terrorist attacks, by muslims, since 9-11. As long as that continues to be the case, and as long as islam doesn’t remove the 109 violent verses in the koran, I will persist in pointing out how dysfunctional islam is, and what a pathetic example for mankind mohammed is.
Respect and gain Respect mate….why did you use a flag as an example? try using a statue of jesus or mother mary, and take a pic like how u did on the quran….you would not see sunlight…
OOMMGG U FUKIN BASTARD U WANT SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT MUSLIMS THEN U CAN FUCK OFF U FUCKIN TWAT
1ST THING U SHOULD ALWAYS REMEBER IS TO BE RESPECTIVE TO ALL RELEGIONS !!!AND ESPECIALLY MUSLIMS U BASTARD !!!!!
JUST TO LET U KNOW ALOT MORE MUSLIMS ARE AVALIABLE TO SEE THIS PICTURE AND IF U DONT TAKE IT OUT I AM PLANNIN TO CALL THE POLICE ON U
SO TAKE THAT PICTURE OFF THE SITE U TWAT !!!
P.S FUK U
thank you the person that wrote all that at the top someones bakin me up !!!!!!!!
O ye who believe remember the Grace of God, (bestowed) on you, when there came down on you hosts (to overwhelm you): but We sent against them a hurricane and forces that ye saw not: but God sees (clearly) all that ye do.
Al Ahzab – 9
Say: Who is it that can screen you from God if it be His wish to give you Punishment or to give you Mercy? nor will they find for themselves, besides God, any protector or helper.
Al Ahzab – 17
And those of the people of the Book who aided them God did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.
Al Ahzab – 26
But if ye seek God and His Apostle, and the Home of the Hereafter, Verily God has prepared for the well doers amongst you a great reward.
Al Ahzab – 29
U know ur a Twat,Idiout,Bitch, Bastard and a RETARD
Allah is gonna punish u as soon as u die because IDOUTS like u bad things happen to them and enshala u die
FUKIN TWAT GET A LIFE U BASTARD
P.S FUK U !!!!!!!! :@
i dont see you sayin shit know when evryones tellin u satin u no its right!!!!!!!!!!!
yO WHO DO U THINK YOU ARE .. U BETTER REMOVE THIS PIC U HAVE NO EFFIN RIGHT TO PUT A PICTURE LIKE THIS.. I DONT THINK U KNW BUH IF A MUSLIM PERSON FINDS WHO U R. THEY GNNA SET U ON FIRE JSU LIKE UR DUMB FLAG!
AS A OFFENDED MUSLIM.. ALL I SAY IS THT I HOPE U HAVE NO HAPPINESS IN UR LIFE. I HOPE U BURN IN HELL WHICH U R GOIN TO B DOIN ANYWAYS.. I SWEAR I EVER FIND OUT WHO U R.. IT AINT GNNA B GOOD … SO GET RID OF THIS PIC.. LEARN TO RESPECT OTHER RELIGIOUS BOOKS LIKE U RESPECT UR W.E U BELIEVE IN ASSHOLE!MOFO
that scared the shit out u didnt it u basterd!the guys right if a muslim finds out who u are then woooooooow u wont live another second u fukin asshole!!!!!!!!
Robbie, I see more members of the muslim version of MENSA have graced your page.
Calling them idiots, is an insult to idiots, everywhere.
That’s what happens when you are required to bang your head on the ground, five times a day, everyday. It never ceases to amaze me, that a space rock, and a moon goddess, can warp so many minds.
this is offensive and rude
i dont really no that much about islam but i cant believe someone would put up racist and offensive stuff when millions of people believe in this religeon… i may not no much about muslims and stuff but i srsly think this is OUT OF ORDER
a flag is a flag … people dont worship them
a religeon means much more to people
i think this whole article and the people supporting it are one of the kinds of people that i hate…. they make issues about religeon when a) it means little to them and b) it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM . i’ll bet if someone did something to a different religeon’s holy book then all hell would brake loose . stop upsetting other people when you dont know them… your putting a massive amount of people under one word when you dont know all of them and its so NARROW MINDED ….. i pray for the time when Messiah shall come again and make the world a better place , i hope i can live to see it .. i agree with u Adam .
WoW, honestly no one expects you to have to read teh Quran, nor does anyone force you to convert, but there is sumthign in life called RESPECT, and clearly you have none!, This is so disrespectful, and would it be okay to put the Torah in teh toilet, the bibles in the toilet?! ofcourse not i’m not jewish nor am i christian, but i would consider that as a crime and SO SHOULD YOU!, Grow up!
you are a yanki
ok
ahmagh
if you do not to clear the first picture in your site i hack your site ok
[Editor --- From your IP address (78.157.51.229) I see you are writing from Amsterdam. No wonder the Dutch are considering dropping their much abused "tolerance to Muslims" policies. Go ahead and try to hack the site, you third-world pig fucker. If you knew how, you would have already done it.]
you are just plain ignorant of yourself and honestly speaking you brain is just like a size of a peanut.
why should it be a flag? not the bible? or others? should i tell you that they’re different? or, idk if you’re an atheist.
i hate people who are racist and throw holy books on the floor it makes me fuckin mad.it is a racist crime to throw the quran in the toilet those people will go to hell.Fuck all religions except for islam.long live islam.fyck jews!! fuck smelly snow white christians they are pornos and sex machines!!!!fuck fat basterd americans!!!fuck smelly hindus om jay chagdee i shagged your mom and i had anal sex with your dad.and fuck those big turban headed smelly nit eating nits the sikhs or sikh kebabs guru fitti.
LONG LIVE ISLAM THE BEST RELIGION.MAY ALLAH GIVE JANNAH TO ALL THE PROPHETS MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH THEM ALL
Khan, your self-hatred is duly noted, after such an intelligent and loquacious comment.
Firstly (in principle) burning a flag is not only stupid, it’s wrong and offensive too. So is burning religious text from any religion; any religious person considers that the word of God. The point most people seem to be missing is that instead of sayin ”flushing a Quran shouldn’t be made a hate crime” we should say ”burning the american flag SHOULD be made a hate crime” -what I mean is is that they are both hate crimes. Because if anyone ever flushed a Quran they would do it because they hate muslims. Also, if anyone burnt the american flag it should be made a hate crime for the same reason; anyone who ever burns an american flag would only do it because they hate america. This should solve this dudes problem!
Secondly, I find it disgusting how (as I presume some of you are adults) grown men and women can say such sick, offensive things to each other instead of dealing with that dudes (understandably) annoyed point of view in a mature way.
No religion (especially Islam seeing as I’ve studied it for years) encourages hatred of any other race/religion – I know that it is against Islam to insult other people/their religion in the way that I have seen some people do on this page- it’s wrong and an anti-islamic thing to do.
For those who don’t know; Islam means peace. Unfotunately some muslims don’t behave in a peaceful way and they are similar to many non-muslims who also behave in hateful ways.
I’m a 19 year old muslim from Enlgand and as a good muslim should; I respect, and DO NOT HATE Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists etc. and I do not, and will not hate Americans as a Muslim (even though I think England is cooler).
Thank you to anyone who is trying to bring maturity and respect onto this page; and shame on those people who are being hateful toward each other. We are all one race – please remember that. And if anyone has any questions about Islam please write on this page and I’ll be happy to answer appropriate questions (please don’t swear/insult me)!
…once again, England is well cool ; )
Shabih
England, hunh?
Yeah, I understand it is a very welcoming country, to muslims.
to no2brains,
ur just plain ignorant.
can’t u c dat u have bin makin enemies, u jerk!
by speakin bad about our religion, u have 4gotten all about the bad things christians have dun.
have u no idea who ADOLF HITLER is? the christian man who has killed more people in da world than anyone else, most of them bein JEWS!
72,941,900 innocent lives lost all because of some ruthless FAITHFUL christian.
if thats wat cristians teach, then how can u possibly talk bad about us?!
if u say he wasnt a good cristian, than we will say terrorists are not good muslims; islam teaches peace.
i have got friends who are christian, sikh, atheist and hindu. i manage to get along with them bcause i have a little thing called respect.
maybe u should learn to grow up and get some too?
of course then there are the attacks against the palestinians from the israelis huh?
but i wont go on about that since u r almost certain to make up some crap about the palestinians attacking them first. but every1 knows that the jews started the first ever unreasonable fight moons ago.
im off to pray now for my mum to survive but b sure to write in responce( without any swear words, since i like many muslims don’t)
PS i was disgusted at how disrespectful, ignorant and bad- mannered you are and i personally as a 13 year old cannot believe any1 can be anything like u. i am glad every1 isn’t like u in the world.
all faiths should be respected because at the end of the day, we will believe what we want to and at the end of life justice will be served by Allah.( and no spottyfaced, bigheaded teenager is gonna change that!)
This fukin eidiot has no idea who hes messin wid!!!!u fukin basterd how dare u say anything about muslims when u no for a fact that christians have done more bad things then anyone u bitch!!know u cant say shit when all these muslims are here u assshole!!!!fuk u!!!!! i hate usin bad words buh this fukin dikheads so fukin rasist ive never met anyone like him befor!hope u rot in hell!
Stupid Jerk, you live up to your name.
Making enemies? Oh, you mean with the followers of a death cult, founded by a mad man, that liked to have sex with girls younger than you are? Yeah, I guess I have…tough noogies.
So you think Hitler was a devout Christian? Who told you that?
Hitler was obsessed with the Occult, and was a member of the Thule Society from 1919, until his death, eventhough he had been Christened in the Catholic church as a child.
Questioning other peoples intelligence and historical knowledge, while in possession of none, makes you an easy target for ridicule. Why on earth would I respect you, or anyone like that?
I don’t have to make up crap about the Palestinians attacking Israel, they have never stopped, even during the
cease firehudna. Talk about people with no respect, the murderous cretins in Gaza use schools, apartment buildings, mosques, and hospitals to store their weapons, and launch rockets and mortars, using innocent civilians as shields, then their dead bodies for propaganda for useless idiotic tools like you.Since you brought up both Hitler and Palestine, have you, in your obvious lack of reading or studying of history, ever read up on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem? He was Hitler’s BFF in WWII, because he shared the same desire of Hitler to wipe all Jews from the earth, just like his descendants in Palestine still do.
Don’t preach to me about respect. It is earned, not given, and certainly not given to those who show an unthinking obedience to a death cult founded fourteen hundred years ago, by murdering, epileptic, pedophile, called mohammed. I curse his name.
Anonymous, yes I do know exactly who I am messing with.
Brainless, illiterate Mohbots, who dutifully bang their head five times a day, because some filthy old man, that liked to have sex with nine year old girls, told you too.
Where is your facts, that I supposedly know about, that Christians have done so much bad? Scroll back up, and see the difference between Jesus and Ol Moh’ that I posted, those are the facts.
How is it, exactly, that I am a racist?
Are muslims only one race? Hunh…better not tell Barack Obama, or Adam Gedahn.
/dumb-ass
Good Afternoon
I am a Muslim and belongs to Ahmadiy Muslim Association. We really condemn that one should bun the flags of any country.
But As a muslim we really respect all the religions, all the holy books, (Hindus, Sikh, Christian’s , Budhism, JewsWe really respect all the messangers.
Why other religions dont give the respect to other religions?
Fazal — every single word you just wrote is a bald faced lie. Muslims just so happen to be the very least tolerant people on the planet. Ever.
i m a really dumb person. i don’t no hu i m messin wiv and i fink cristians r stupid nd muslims r GREAT! i m sorry for startin dis rguement over 6 months ago.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH :s
by da way i may trn bak 2 my normal stupid self hu will act like i nevr rote dis but dis is how i rlly m.
by den, i m gonna go dip my hed in honey and play with a beehive.
see ya!
2 no2brains,
ur dum
ur stupid
ur senseless
ur ignorant
ur childish
ur immature
ur disrespectful
i could go on and on and on and on but wat i really want to say is i don’t hate you because if u read the quran, instead of makin mumbo jumbo stuff about it, u would find more good than bad about it, which is more than i can say fr da bible. u r shaytaaaaaaaaaaaan! which means devil!
SANTA=
SATAN=
SHAYTAN
i don’t hate u bcause even tho i am a muslim i respect other religions instead of raving about how “bad” it is and nitpikin
SO THERE.
HAH!
by the way, have u evr watched peace tv?
if u live in america then Galaxy 25 or world tv i think it is 65 but if u have sky and live in england then its on 820.
OI NO2LIBERAL
WHERE DA HELL DO YA GET YOR INFO ABOUT ISLAM FROM BECAUSE ANY1 ND EVERY1 CAN TLL DAT IT IS WROOOOOOOOOOOOONG!
SOUND LIKE U R EIDA MAKIN DIS UP OR R DUM ENUFF TO BELIEVE IT!
HOW OLD R U ANYWAYS SHOOTIN UR MOUF OFF LIKE DAT?
UR PROBABLY A MALE THO SEEIN AS U SWEAR A LOT.
OBVIOSLY U R FROM AMERICA SEEIN AS EVERY1 THERE IS RACIST.
AT LEEST U GOTTA GOOD PRESIDENT NOW THOUGH, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
BUT I NO U R NOT HAPPY THAT MCCAIN DID
NOT WIN, I M GLAD!
More Mohbot mental midgets, I see.
The following quote is found in the hadith, not the Holy Bible.
Yeah, the religion of peace, in a pig’s ass.
You want respect as a muslim? Earn it! Reform your religion, and remove all the verses from the koran and the hadith that preach violence. Til then, come back here, and I will taunt you some more.
u r soooooooooooooooo gulible no2liberals
do u even no wat liberals means u dumb-ass?!
and don’t go shooting your mouth off at me since u r makin such a fool of urself already! by da way have u seen peace TV?
Unlike you, yes I do.
Do you know what a pedophile looks like?
Peace TV? I have seen Hamas TV. Ain’t they peaceful!
You should listen to this woman, she understands.
believe me now when l say this if l took a bible,MEN, or any other religous book and shoved it in a toilet ( which l wouldnt because its extremely disrespectful ) l bet you that all these agreers would say that im a racist pig and be deeply agreeing with this hate crime thing
ok no2liberals were not going to take anything out of the hadith or koran firstly,
and secondly the koran and hadith have been re-written with added stuff well over a 500,000 its like a really bad chinese whispers game the story keeps changing from one person to another
HAHAHA Yes, just flush that shitty piece of shit book down the toilet, they should all die!
no2liberals y can’t u reply 2 evrythin u read that is addressed 2 u.
is it coz we are maKin good points
HUH?
muslims r not idiots
we have invented medicines, algebra, geometry and much more
SO THERE!
Good points, eh?
Muslims did not invent algebra or geometry. The value of absolute zero was discovered by the Hindus, and claimed by Muslim, when they conquered portions of Hindu land during the Arab/Islamic invasions. The only thing that scholars have been able to prove, that was truly an Arab/Islamic invention, not stolen from any other culture/nation, was that at some point in time, someone in Egypt decided that crushing a coffee bean was a good idea.
Anything else, idiot?
ur sooooooooo dumb, believin dat.
by da way what hapened to the personality who wrote:
i m a really dumb person. i don’t no hu i m messin wiv and i fink cristians r stupid nd muslims r GREAT! i m sorry for startin dis rguement over 6 months ago.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH :s
by da way i may trn bak 2 my normal stupid self hu will act like i nevr rote dis but dis is how i rlly m.
by den, i m gonna go dip my hed in honey and play with a beehive.
see ya!
wat good things did the american invent?
NOTIN COMPARED 2 MUSLIMS.
and so wat if england welcomes muslims. atleast it isn’t racist and is doin some good 4 da worrld.
u stupid idiot, got nufin betta 2 do dan cuss muslims 4 6-7 months, saddo.
if i were an atheist, i wuld probably say ‘i hope sum1 flushes a bible’ but i m not so i won’t in order 2 keep allah happy.like most muslims.
don’t say nufin bad about muhammad (PEACE b upon him) eidah coz i no u will want 2 keep God happy, hu is Allah 2 us.
nd find sumfin betta 2 do wiv ur life.
And you call me dumb.
How do you think you could display your ignorance and illiteracy on the internet, without America?
So of all the wonderful things islam stole from other countries and cultures, when it was spreading the evil doctrine of Ol Moh by the sword, why haven’t muslim countries advanced further, instead of remaining in the 14th century, while the world has passed them by?
As to my taunting dumb-asses like you, if you will look, this thread was originally posted in the summer of ‘07. A better question is, why is it you and your dumb-ass friends only found out about it a few months ago? This blog has hundreds of posts since then, but since Mohbots like you continue to try and have the last word on this matter, I will remain to make certain that doesn’t happen.
hello And hi Plzz If you R……….Going to wrong way then tell how Like y plzzzz Delet it
plz
yeah if we come into ur fucking house and kill ur fucking family what then fucking ass–hole
don’t mess up with the muslims pal u will be sorry
[Editor --- Religion of peace strikes again, and shows their true barbaric, intolerance.
I'll tell you what, mujahid --- If you ever make it here from Amsterdam (where your IP address [80.201.163.54] resolves to) AFTER you trigger our home alarm system, you’ll have to get through three dogs who will be trying to chew your face off. Which will give me ample time to grab one of the many guns I keep throughout the house. Once I call my dogs off (wouldn’t want to accidently shoot one of my dogs), I’m going to shoot you so many time, there won’t be enough of you left over for you imaginary 72-virgins.
And when I’m done, I’ll take your dead body and dump it the nearest pig farm for the pigs to eat and shit out when their done.]
thank you for showing how mean you are
no2liberals,
duz ur mommy no u r bein dis naughty, diddums.
or has ur family committed suicide wen they first saw ur ugly face, and ever since then u have been strugglin 2 find a girlfriend and common sense
muslims r way betta than cristians for example, we don’t have homosexual imams and we are not allowed 2 show off, drink, smoke, watch dirty things and much more things that all christians do.
if u ever want 2 see a perfect bein, come over 2 england and take a good look at my daily life.
i ain’t sayin every muslim is perfect but nor is every christian.
by da way it is very good u have NOT referred 2 terrorists as a good example of a muslim, they r just idiots, seein as u r tryin 2 find evry way 2 cuss us.
r u happy wiv BARACK HUSSEYN OBAMA?
by da way all americans are not perfect eidah, good example:
YOU
No2Liberal
what is MOHBOT?
Mohammedan+Robot=Mohbot.
So, anonymous, I imagine you were in the crowd of protesters in London yesterday.
Why would anyone protest to save Hamas, when they not only try want to destroy Israel, but treat their own people so badly, and twist the minds of children so they can never be peaceful, productive citizens?
You mohbots have a lot of work to do, to become respected.
we hav seen a single jew kill a muslim your woman states wrong.
i wasn’t in the crowd of protestors, so shame
your word MOHBOT is stupid. can’t think of anythin betta 2 do wiv ur lyf
we hav seen a single jew kill a muslim your woman states wrong.
i wasn’t in the crowd of protestors, so shame
That’s why it matches those it is intended for so perfectly.
As to how I spend my time, it doesn’t concern you. I’m a voracious reader, and love to learn. You have nothing to teach me, but I’m glad I have been a valuable source of information you don’t hear anywhere else.
if u r not a muslim, den u do not no about muslims
do not st8 wot u do not no
f u r learnin dis info from skool den no surprise since america is racist.
f u r learnin dis info from da intanet, i am surprised bcoz u sound smrt enuff not 2 bleve evryfink you read on da intanet.
f u say all oh da koran s bad den u r sayin ur rligon is bad.
wen i sed MOBOT is stupid, i ment it is not necessary and childish, like u.
y did u not reply 2 everyfink i sed on JAN 11 is it coz i made sum GOOD POINTS.
PLZ bear in mind i am only 13 and i ave read all ur insults nd swearwords
IF u actually read da quran nd not a translation den u will see a lite.
if u do not no arabic den i suggest u learn it since u ‘love learning’.
can u rite da time u reply, since we have da ENGLISH time
You really need to get a better grasp of the English language, and think more clearly.
I’m not responding to all your BS, now, or in the other posts. It’s an exercise in futility, and I would be repeating what I have already said.
Translations of other languages is a common practice, widely accepted, so I don’t need to learn arabic, or want to.
What you fail to grasp, or are just unwilling to is, mohammed was a vile creature. God does not chose vile creatures as prophets. That you are unable to understand that, is because you have been conditioned to believe he was the messenger of God by others, without questioning if that was true for yourself. Look at who he was, and the things he did. God would never favor such a disgusting person to bring his word to mankind.
Look at how islam has held it’s followers back from progressing. If you do this you will be beheaded, if you do this you will be stoned, if you do this you are an apostate or heretic.
If the words of Moh are the determining factor in how you live, and going to heaven, then you are already so screwed it doesn’t matter what language the koran is written in.
Most prophets had some questionable things in their lives, before they became prophets. Moh did horrible things after he claimed to be a prophet.
Wise up. Question who he was, and the things he did, and if you have a shred of intelligence, or honesty, you will find that islam is based on a wretched creatures writings and sayings, as so many of my former muslim friends have done.
what bad things has he done, not accounting your made up facts.
i can hardly believe you had MUSLIM friends
what did you do to them, stalk them waiting for your moment to kill.
England is not so bad, i mean you speak english don’t you? HAH!
CUTE or ROCK this is S.Star speaking.
back me up.
you are very idiotic no2liberals, no wonder, coming from a continent of peadophiles and perverts.
‘No2liberals’ , u r dumb. u don’t know enything about muslims and wat they believe in so dont talk rubish. U think u know everything but you obviously dont.’No2Americans’ is so totally right, she has made some great points which u so can’t beat so in ur face and try and learn some sense from her ( since she knows more than u ) . ha ha ha
lol in school most of our class burnt some bibles for no reason. it aint shit. spite me magic jesus. christians really are die hard for shit they dont know. no2liberals you are one dumbass guy although you have the right to say anything you please. christianity used by england for no fuking reason. one minute protestant then one minute catholic. bullshit i tell you. christianity was just a way of power. religion took over so someone thought lets use it. let hippy white jesus rule with a neo-nazi fist and lets pray he save us all(the white folk that is). dont put your nose where is shouldnt be.
wow no2liberals realy is hell bent on his shit-fest. theres nothing wrong with translation but its reward to learn passages in its original form. its a beautiful language and no ones forcing you. you talk about people being conditioned to beleive in a prophet but hey how do we know mary was a virgin? how do we know he was god in human flesh? he couldve just been a really good liar and clever man to entangle people to follow him. kings behind christianity happily killed people for disagreeing the world was flat and the earth was at the center of the universe. different religions same story. the davinci code even claimed jesus’ ‘passionate love’ for his mother. he couldve been a blond haired, blue eyed pimp for all we know. wise up and see religion is about faith not logic. so go ahead and molest little children, it must be ok because your a priest. you people set yourself commandments and screw them anyway.
suzan?
how could u say that about the quran! muslims are not evil people ok? muslims arnt bad people there are people that name them selves muslims and kill people to give the muslims a bad name? for example if a christian man let there dog poo on the road and does that mean all christian men let there dogs poo on the road?/ no
first things first
1. the guy who made this is firstly going streight to hell for judging
2. the guys an asshole
3. every1 dats a muslim selaam
4. i agree wiv sall muslims this is the crapest waste of space website ever made
5. muslim bor’s and sis’s! egnore this idiotic fool
6. he just likes to argue
thats all ig otta say people
Henh.
To the imitator of my nic, imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Thank!
I’ve already explained the things Ol Moh did, no desire to repeat it all over again for someone as dense as you.
Actually, I do have some muslim friends, but if you were more astute, you would notice in my previous comment, I said “former” muslim friends, and even put it in bold so it would be easy to see. But not you, no, like all brain dead mohbots, you only see what you want to see.
Yes I speak English, doesn’t most of the world, and all of the air traffic controllers in every country? HAH!
What’s the matter pig-tail, you need to have your blog swarm friends reinforce your weak mind?
Easy!
It’s true.
No, most muslims are decent, well intentioned people, like most people in every place on Earth, they are just poorly served by following a cult founded by an evil man.
Face it, the terrorists aren’t making things up, what they believe is in black and white, from right to left, in that pathetic tome called the koran. That most muslims chose to ignore those violent passages, and focus on what they believe are the good parts isn’t difficult to understand, but takfir is inexcusable.
you know what should be in that toliet….. ? your ugly ass face for being such a hater… i really hope that you find someting better to do with your depressing life than hate on peoples beliefs. life is about being happy. whats the point of living if you cant be happy
Excellent question, anony.
I have much happiness in my life. Fooling around on the internet is one of my leisure time pleasures. Countering the lies and myths of a death cult is a valuable public service I perform, at no charge.
Happy now?
just go slash your wrists, okay no2liberals?
we would all be so much happier with you in hell
i don’t have a pigtail (you were just surprised i was a female, DUH)
i am not braindead
i am not a MOHBOT
my friends are not BLOG SWARMNG they just hate ppl like you ( doesn’t every1?)
most people do speak english but they do not criticise england.
who, apart from you, says THANK YOU without the YOU?
and what the flip is HENH?!
(england is a much better place than america; we are not obese, perverts, paedophiles,obese, racists, sexists, obese, and much more things that we are proud not to be)
yours,
S.Star
no2 liberals y u so dtermind 2 taunt MUSLIMS and make fun of MUHAMMAD SALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALLAM.
Allah is not happy wiv u, tsk tsk!
u wuld hate callin God Allah, wudn’t u?
say wat u like bro, but islam is the most peaceful religion there is
y r krischons allowed 2 drink n make demselves undignifiable?
the bible even advises it.
u r so racist u wuld fly to bangladesh 2 kill all of the ppl who are bengali
My-my.
So many anonymous mohbots.
How am I to tell them apart?
Just to summarize some of the nonsensical comments I just glanced over:
I meant to type thanks, but left off the s by mistake. Based on your illiterate comments, I’m surprised you even noticed.
England is a rare country indeed, it both blows and sucks, simultaneously. In that regard, you are correct, there is no place on Earth quite like it.
And England is all the things you say it is not. It has the highest obesity rate in the EU, and suffers from the same social ills as any country, but because of it’s high muslim population, pedophilia, rape, racism, and sexism are rampant. Not to mention England has more honor killings than any country on Earth.
Charming, indeed.
You are correct…NO.
It was silly and unworthy of a response. I’m not a Catholic, and make no excuses for what some priests did. They were prosecuted by the law and/or the Church, when they were found out. Islam doesn’t punish pedophilia, but the courts will.
Here’s more on dear old Moh.
Prophet of Doom.
Then there is this.
Islam Under Scrutiny By Ex-Muslims. There is also a hyperlink to a site where this is discussed, and shown in the koran, on a video.
If you just want to rant and spout bullshit, go ahead.
You not only don’t have the brain power or the patience for a reasonable debate, but you repeat what others have told you as fact, and have never bothered to verify if it is true or not. Check your facts before you start with your propaganda. Saying shit you heard from some sick, perverted Imam, who is only educated in the koran, does not make it a fact. That makes him a liar, and makes you a fool.
go fuck yourself . Who are to talk about what is is a crime and what not. To us (muslims) it is a crime you fucking basterd!!!!
Easy there, “killer”.
killer…what a name.
Is that your X-Box nic?
I thought muslims were peaceful and kind.
You have adopted a nic that implies criminal intent, and have hurled profanity.
Not to peaceful there, killer.
/killer
we (Muslim) Just have to say: u ppl don’t know abt one thing then why r u saying wrong things.
we are always peacefull but we can be a killer also. so mind it…….. one day u ppl will be ruined just wait and watch.
devil is devil and it had be ruined wait and watch u will see, feel and finally have to bear it all.
BAD LUCK U smal and foolish animals.
Left by,
I see you are immune to sarcasm, and without humor.
I didn’t think the /sarc tag was necessary, but you proved me wrong.
Such as?
If it’s from the koran, that’s not possible.
Wrong. As I said, “It was silly and unworthy of a response.”
I’ve traveled over much of the world, have learned many languages, and enjoyed the hospitality from people of many cultures and races.
I mean to say that most people, all over the world, are decent and well-intentioned. That includes muslims, but as I said, and as you so conveniently left off, muslims are ill-served by the koran. Muslims need to reform islam, before the majority of people will ever concede it to be a peaceful religion.
Also, get rid of the takfir BS. By not crtiticizing a muslim for his mufsid ways, just because he/she is muslim, is an indictment on all muslims. You could start by protesting Hamas, for the way they treat muslims.
Iranian Unit Destroyed In Gaza
qur’an is a good holy book.
bible is a misleading book who tells people to have alcohol.
I’ve traveled over much of the world
how could a stupid 16 year old do this?!
- if you were an adult you would be far more sensible and less childish
are you stupid?????How make image????????????Neyse .For Turkish Bunu Türkçeye çevirin.
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If you honestly believe that, knowing that it was from Ol Moh’s sick and twisted mind, then you will believe anything.
Really? Where exactly does it tell people to have alcohol? I’ll wait, but I want a specific citation with a link to the verse/s in the Holy Bible, that do what you say, and not some pigshit you heard from the stupid imam you listen to.
On the other hand, I have listed specific quotes from the koran that justify all the atrocities Ol Moh committed, and makes current terrorist actions justifiable.
Also, why are muslims so insecure about their religion, and get so outraged? Why would muslims kill another muslim if he questioned the actions of Ol Moh?
I think the fear that more would question his wretched life, and discover the koran was written by a mad man, and thus, islam as a false religion, is why men like him have to be punished, rather than ignored. Then the filthy imam’s wouldn’t get all the adoration and money from the duped followers, like you, and might actually have to get an education and work for a living, instead of living off of the money they fool people into paying.
Wine scriptures:
(Psalm 104:15) . . .And wine that makes the heart of mortal man rejoice, To make the face shine with oil, And bread that sustains the very heart of mortal man.
(Ecclesiastes 9:7) . . .Go, eat your food with rejoicing and drink your wine with a good heart, because already the [true] God has found pleasure in your works. . .
(1 Timothy 5:23) . . .Do not drink water any longer, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent cases of . . .
It was taken as a relief of stress too –
(Proverbs 31:6-7) 6 Give intoxicating liquor, YOU people, to the one about to perish and wine to those who are bitter of soul. 7 Let one drink and forget one’s poverty, and let one remember one’s own trouble no more.
happy now?
if you believe the things you read on the internet about islam, in america, then you will believe anything.
Very good!
You actually proved a point, for once, and not repeated what some one told you.
Want to know why so many people drank alcohol, in the olden days, and not water? The water was unhealthy, they didn’t know what bacteria and viruses were, or how to treat the ailments that came from contaminated water, and discovered it by accident.
Genesis 9:20; ‘Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard.’
Wine is used in many religious rituals in Christianity, but most often ‘grape’ juice, which is the same, without the fermentation process.
In any event, I don’t drink, but know many who do, and they are good people, not drunkards. Drunkards have personality problems that go much deeper than the mere presence of alcohol.
As for alcohol in islam, there seems to be some confusion, and a fartwa.
i don’t know what that man knows about islam, but we are definitely not allowed alcohol, pig or any meat that has not been killed in the name of God.
and how would you be allowed to drink anyway?
i suspect you are not old enough.
i imagine you as a teenager, on the computer all the time.
no way can i imagine you with a wife or kids
Also, forgot to add, there are citations in the Holy Bible that oppose alcohol.
Proverbs 20:1 “Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.”
Ephesians 5:18 “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.”
Anony, you keep probing and provoking, trying to know more about me personally. You don’t know anything about me, and I won’t tell you. I think your ill advised guesses are humorous.
you are american,
you are christian,
you are disrespectful,
you are hateful,
you are childish,
you are immature,
you are sick in the head,
you are arrogant,
you are irritating,
you think you are so smart but you are NOT
so i do know the main features of your wasted life
there are more verses in the bible FOR alcohol than against.
you say christianity is so good and not hateful
why do you hate so much then?
you is a perfect example of a christian, at its best.
did you or did you not call me pigtails because you are so surprised i was a female?
what is HENH?
FLUSHING A KORAN IS A HATECRIME!!!
you are also male, obviously
since males have this type of personality, except muslims
the lady you put a hyperlink on, she said ‘we have not seen a single jew kill a muslim’
WE HAVE!
we have seen a single jew kill many, many muslims.
anony, you do ignore the salient points, and focus on the inane, as well as any bot I have ever seen.
A better question for you is why do muslims hate so much, but that question is for you to answer for yourself, I already know why, they are just following the violent passages of the koran.
You need to go back and watch Wafa Sultan’s video again, and this time listen to the content and the context, of what she is saying.
Here is another video you need to see.
Now, good night. I have friends coming over to watch the Barrett-Jackson auction.
what is barrett jackson auction about, i do not get it…
And do not say that i am a stupid mohbot or whatever.
just answer nicely for the first time.
Seriously?
Did you click around on the link I posted?
OOPS!
Live coverage begins again in four minutes.
Adios!
Here’s a live stream.
your main interest?
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!
doesn’t America have anything better to do with technology?
WHAT A WASTE
at least you answered DECENTLY.
Boring to you, not to me, and millions of others.
It’s called having fun, and not having fun is the real waste.
I’m a car guy, always have been. I’ve owned many wonderful cars over the years, most were high performance cars, while many others were luxury cars. I’ve done some road racing and drag racing, and I will always enjoy the simple pleasure of driving and maintaining cars, though I have a very strong affection for sport bikes, as well.
If you lived in a place with so many wide open roads, and race tracks, you would probably feel the same way, instead of a crowded and congested island, with a nanny state government that won’t let you go fast.
Here’s one Brit that knows how to have fun with American technology. Don’t think he’s muslim.
remove this image immediately the copyright holder of this website otherwise I will put this in my Agenda in Islamic movement to prosecute and to realise that this is a disgrace to yourself. so please remove such insulting picture as this is going to cause alot of juridistinctions against you.
THANK YOU!
how are things in america?
hmmmmmmm…
what celebrations for barack obama?
wat is the most favourite clothes shop?
popular grocery shop?
never been to america…
do people say beef(means trouble/fights)
oh my daiz!(oh my gosh)
shuk(scared)
shank(knife)
next(not nice, as in’ my friend got this next jacket’)
rushed(beaten up)
what is the most popular childrens show?
would you be surprised if u saw a muslim wiv a hedscarf?
a hindu wiv a red dot?
a sikh wiv a turban?
how is it 2 u wen someone talks wiv an english accent?
do u see many celebs?
do u see a shop that sells qurans and that?
we have :
nursery- age 3
primary- age 4
secondary- age 12
college- age 17
university- age 19( i think)
job
…
i don’t get elementary and high school, aren’t they the same?!
fifth gear???
fifth gear are so desperate, didn’t you know they burnt down top gear(a car show)’s building and also copied their name, if you saw top gear, with it’s ENGLISH and occasionally american cars you wuld find it much better.
Don’t care. A great video of a Corvette Z06 getting driven like it should be.
Okay, I suppose. I live in Texas, and things here are fabulous.
what celebrations for barack obama? Don’t know..don’t care! He’s a fad, a passing fancy, and an empty suit. Those who claim to adore him, will tire of him very soon.
wat is the most favourite clothes shop? No idea.
popular grocery shop? Varies from state to state.
what is the most popular childrens show? Ask a child.
would you be surprised if u saw a muslim wiv a hedscarf? No.
a hindu wiv a red dot? No.
a sikh wiv a turban? No. Seen them all.
how is it 2 u wen someone talks wiv an english accent? Sounds horrible.
do u see many celebs? Occasionally.
do u see a shop that sells qurans and that? No. But lots of Christian book stores.
Elementary school-grades one to six.(age to start is 6;varies due to circumstances)
Middle School or Junior High-grades 7 to 10(ages 13 to 16-vary slightly, based on birth date/successfully completing all previous grades)
High School-grades 11 to 12(typically 17 and 18 years of age-some get held back for failing/some graduate early for being so advanced)
College-(I’ve known some to start as early as 14, but most are 18)
In my home town, which was small, high school was grades 9 to 12. Once again, there are some variances, based on the needs of the community. The individual states have control over education, not the federal government.
Do you know what type of government system we have?
It’s not Parliamentarian, it’s a representative republic, based on democratic principles. Unlike England, we have a Constitution, which specifies the God given rights we have as citizens, and the Constitution tells government what it may not do, not what we as citizens can do. That’s the never ending struggle, as government wants to take control of all power, and we are constantly fighting back to keep our freedoms and liberties. Elections come and go, elected officials come and go, but our Constitution is forever, and those who try and violate it and take our power away, usually get defeated in an election.
I have talked with many people from Europe, and the UK, and they are totally dismayed with how terrible the government there is, and even more worried that the Lisbon Treaty will still pass, eventhough Ireland voted no.
You have to understand how big this country is, and how different people can be from one side to the other. I really don’t give a flip about New York, but hope they like it there, so they won’t move to Texas, like so many New Yorkers have, and bring their disgusting habits with them. California? The sooner an earthquake comes, and washes that hell-hole away, the better.
God Blessed Texas With His Own Hand!
will don’t you guys shut the F*** UP???
No2Liverals, i just read most of these replies, and you started this fight in August 9th, 2008
this page is your home page right?, you wasted months from your life on this blog, they won’t surrender, why don’t you just leave them alone with an apology?, and forget about all this, if you merged all of you posts, you can make a book (Anti-Islam)..
you are useless in our life , you are not producing anything except hate, I support Christians i support Muslims i support Jews(But not Israel).
And i was really pissed off when you insulted their prophet Mohammad by typing P**s upon him, Respect your self you little idiot…
P.S: i’m not going to open this page again, i have a life to work on.
It began longer ago than that, and was ratcheted up on 911.
One of several…I don’t consider a waste…then they will be defeated…I will leave them alone when they leave me alone, and have nothing to apologize for, and I will never forget.
I must admit, that’s a great idea.
You aren’t very perceptive, or are a dhimmi. I have illustrated the hatred in islam and why it is a retrograde force on mankind.
I do support Israel, and view people like you as pussies.
And? How or why should that concern me? Better pissed off than pissed on, dingus.
sooooo you hate BARACK OBAMA?
is there anything good and useful you don’t hate?
and TEXAS???
were you forced to live there or something?!
anyways, i have got a math test to revise for and i would rather do that than waste all my energy on you…
is there any religion that you don’t hate, apart from christianity and judaism???
(giving us an example of a typical christian)
anony,
You obviously thought long and hard, to try and come up with a clever trap. Glad to disappoint you.
There is only one so-called religion that I truly despise, and that is islam, and I wouldn’t feel that way if the so-called peaceful muslims would take responsibility for the actions of it’s terrorists, and acknowledge that the violent passages are their inspiration, and then reform islam. Without that, I will always detest and loathe the dysfunctional death cult, known as islam.
As for other belief systems I have problems with: Seventh Day Adventist, Unitarians, Scientology, Snake Handlers, and Liberation Theology.
However, I don’t know of any instances where those groups have called for a caliph or a Global Hirabah, haven’t flown planes filled with people into tall buildings filled with people, set off bombs in crowded tubes, buses, or trains, or beheaded innocent people. So my concerns over their practices are just a matter of choice. Not with islam, there have been over 12,622 islamic terrorist attacks since 9-11, and therefore, islam reserves a special place as the most destructive belief system on Earth.
I HOPE UR GRANDADS MOTHER DIES A PAINFUL DEATH U SON OFA BITCH
I WILL FUCK UR SISTER IN HER GORJUS FANNY AND MAKE IT HURT U BARSTARD
UR GRANDADS GRAVESTONE HAS GOT UR SISTERS PERIOD ON IT
just coz sum stupid muslims think that Allah will reward them for slaughtering people, it dzn’t mean we r all like that, duz it?
it is not like i try 2 ill all my christian friends!
yet again, u r wrong and i didn’t spend a long time tryin 2 think of that question, it just came out because i have got soooo many bad thoughts about u.
u make up all of these things about Islam, makin it sound like facts but it is just what u think.
every1 else wiv a brain respects islam. even people i xpect 2 be much younger thn u, u shuld b ashamed of urself.
palestine is suffering and ur there, speakin bad about it, the birthplace of Jesus
hello its me the person hu u call an animal
is it me, but r animals kind and caring and respectful for other religions like mulims r.
no 2 liberals i think that before you say anthing else you should remeber that Christians are the flock of sheep trying to follow the light who believe jesus is god’s son
we muslims have noting against them
u must be so single minded and vain
Correct. That is why I have very clearly explained that the problem is in the koran, and that those muslims who don’t believe in the violence need to take responsibility, say goodbye to takfir, and reform islam by removing the violent passages that the mufsid use to justify their actions.
I haven’t made up anything about islam, it is all in the koran and hadiths. It is you who are in denial about the over 100 hundred violent verses, and all of the denigration of the kuffir.
Palestine is suffering, but you want to blame Israel, and not the real source of the problem, the Palestinians. Oh…I forgot, takfir, you could never criticize another muslim for the bad things they do, and it’s okay for muslims to kill other muslims, just not the Jews and infidels. Your silence on the thousands of rockets and mortars that Hamas fires into Israel everyday, is just fine. You are one sick and brainwashed kid. Attacking and killing innocent people is always wrong, just as self-defense is always right. It’s real simple, Hamas and their friends need to get it into their tiny brains that they must recognize the right of Israel to exist, make peace, and all will be well. Israel belongs there, the Jews have been the dominant population in that region for 3700 years.
A2,
Make me, pig’s ass.
how do you know what muslims think
jews believed god gave them israel
we believe we can get things ourselves too
we have brains nothing against jews btw
i think, no2liberals, that u r makin this stuff up because u r a dumb and pathetic idiot h has 2 find sumfin 2 do bfore he commits suicide
so u think that palestine is attakin israel???
u have got a lot 2 lear,n idiot
and shut up yourself single minded asshole
no 2liberals ur 2 scared to reply
cat got ur tongue?
or was it ur ego?
anony2 good point
liberals, y r u actin like u r a muslim.
u don’t no anyfin about mslims u idiot
go find a rope and do sumfin good wiv it like hangin urself
For the anonymous twins, you are the one’s being deluded by a book written by a false prophet, not I.
You honestly believe Israel has attacked Hamas for no reason? My God, you are a monumental moron.
Israel removed their own citizens from Gaza, and gave it to the PaliThugs, to try and meet them halfway and make peace. Within days, Hamas was firing rockets into Sderot from the area given them. Over ten thousand missiles and mortars have been fired into Israel by Hamas, in the last seven years. Hamas is as bloodthirsty as Mohammed was.
I know all I need to know about muslims, especially the MohBots that bang their heads on the ground five times a day, like dutiful idiots.
It’s because of idiots like you, that islam is viewed as incapable of reforming itself, because of your takfir, you won’t accept responsibility for the violence promoted by the pathetic tome called the koran…poop be upon it.
The bullshit “religion of peace” doesn’t work on me, nor does dawa, so now anon #1 wants me to commit suicide. Not a chance, I have a great life and a loving family, and I don’t want to be a martyr. 72 virgins? Nah, I prefer mature women with experience, not little girls like Moh, and not little boys, like your Imams.
I thank God each day for the brilliance of President Bush. By removing Saddam, the virgin seeking idiots from all over the muslim world rushed to Iraq, and about fifteen thousand got their tickets punched for paradise, and tens of thousands more are sitting in Iraqi prisons, awaiting trial. All those cowardly mufsid, blowing up Iraqi women and children, trying to kill Americans, and all they got was one last wudhu, and a shallow grave. Now there are fewer headbanging assholes to attack innocent people, in our cities.
So, y’all keep on living in a stone aged mindset, keep your women covered, beat them often, don’t give them any rights, and kill them if they dishonor you.
My God, you people are fucked in the head.
Wth is wrong with u No2Liberal?
Correct ur info be4 u talk
who put all of that b.s in ur head
get ur facts rite
watever ur religion is, it obviously didnt teach u how to respect other religions
but anywayz, we will see who suffers on Judgement Day
think be4 u talk
u cant take bak watever ur saying now when u r in hell
be careful and watch ur mouth the next time u talk
VIVE LA PALISTINE MUSULMANE, Hé LES BATTARD, VOTRE JOURS EST PAS LOIN.. ON ARRIVE POUR VOUS METTRE VOTRE SALE GUEULE DANS LA MERDE COMME UNE MERDE…
ALLAH AKBAR
Aloha Snackbar,
To be from France, your French sure is shitty.
Let me guess, your an immigrant…right?
anonymous,
Actually, when you are roasting in Hell, and you see Mohammed, swimming in the river Styx, hopefully then you will understand how you doomed yourself for believing the words of such a wretched creature.
you assholl you have no right to even say that i hope you go head ferst in
hell!!!!!!!!! You f$$$$$$$###M^^^%%$ ^^^^^^^^^^$##$##%$##@$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
No2Liberals u have noo idea wat ur talking aboput so shut your trap
I have every right, dipshit. You don’t get to determine what rights I have.
I believe the opposite is true, that you have no idea about how truly dysfunctional islam is, and no, I will not shut-up, and you can’t make me.
What now, you want to chop my head off? It is the default setting in the koran, after all.
As for Aloha Snackbar, and his wish that muslims in Palestine live long, I don’t see how that’s possible, when the cowardly Hamas uses their women and children as a weapon, instead of protecting them.
Another example of the dysfunctional nature of islam, it’s followers, and it’s apologists.
You hate me?
No you don’t, you really love me, admit it.
Come on, give us a kiss.
Aloha Snackbar works for the martyrs, as they kiss their hell-bound asses goodbye.
I mock them, why don’t you? Takfir got your tongue?
Yeah, muslims really treat their women well.
Wudhu (often translated as “ablution”) is the Muslim act of washing parts of the body, in clean water, as a part of the preparation for prayer, Salaat. Wudhu is often translated as “partial ablution,” as opposed to ghusl, or “full ablution.”
The ideal form is done with water. One first silently makes the niya or intention to perform wudhu and cleanse himself of his impurities. He begins by saying bishm’allah (“In the Name of Allah”). The actions of wudhu follow:
1. Wash the right hand up the wrist three times, then the left hand.
2. Suck water into the mouth and spit it out three times.
3.Gently put water into the nostrils with the right hand, pinch the top of the nose with the left hand to exhale the water.
4.Wash the face (from the hairline on the forehead to where facial hair begins and ear to ear).
5. Wash the entire right arm, including the hand, three times, then the left arm three times.
6.Wet hands and starting with your hands flat on the top of your head near the hairline, wipe them to the back of the head where hair ends and come forward. This is only done once.
7.With wet fingers, place thumbs at backs of ears, use index finger on curves of ear and middle finger to wash the ears. This is only done once.
8.Starting with the right foot, wash both feet including the ankles.
Theoretically one can do one wudu for fajr salaat and be okay for the rest of the day, but certain things invalidate the ablution. They are:
1. “When urine, stool, gas, blood and anything which comes out of the 2 private parts is discharged.” Don’t fart. You have to bath afterwards. We Muslims are so much cleaner than you filthy Jews who go around farting and not washing afterwards!
2.Sleep.
3. “Losing one’s mind or reason by ingesting intoxicants, drugs, or for any other reason [not including seeing a filthy Jew and getting really really angry]…”
4. “Touching, with bare hands, one’s own sexual organs with lust.”. Wear gloves when beating the bishop, infidels, and don’t let any liquid come out!
5. Touching a member of the opposite sex, according to Shafi’i, see below. Rooting members of the same sex may not break Wudhu in the absence of orgasm, praise Allah! Abu Hanifa interpreted “touched the women” to mean sexual intercourse, whereas Shafi’i interpreted it literally, meaning one must make wudu after making physical contact with a member of the opposite sex.
If water is unavailable or the amount available is insufficient, one may perform tayammum, or “dry ablution.” Basically involves “washing” yourself with sand, like chickens do, praise Allah – yet more proof of the perfection of Allah!
Consider Verse 6 of Surah 5 (al-ma’ida) of the Noble Quaran:
“O you who believe! when you rise up to prayer, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you are under an obligation to perform a total ablution, then wash (yourselves) and if you are sick or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy, or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth and wipe your faces and your hands therewith, Allah does not desire to put on you any difficulty, but He wishes to purify you and that He may complete His favor on you, so that you may be grateful.”
And Allah Ta’ala knows best!
LULULULULULULU
Liar!
You wanted me to hang myself, and made many rude remarks.
But I’m a kuffar, so it’s okay. It’s only muslims you would never do that to, no matter how many people they murdered…it’s in Ol Moh’s evil book.
This British muslim explains it all.
And of course, that would be because you are a devoted Mohbot, and anybody that isn’t doesn’t matter.
Thanks for proving my point, Shahida.
It’s takes a lot of work to get past the taqiyya, but if one is patient, the truth can be found.
I have respect for people, but not all of their beliefs, and certainly not for those who practice taqiyya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdZgojOFI
You know what we muslims treasure our holy book more than our lives and our family so flush us down the toilet as many times as you want, because guess what you don’t ever dare to even do as much as think about doing that again or guess what I’m gonna totally sue you and buddy you’re gonna owe me a big sum of money and apolagies, got it
And say what ever you want cuz Allah is watching and you’ll burn in HELL for eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just wait you freak!!
Yes…we know. We have seen that type of suicidal behavior from muslims all over the world. It truly is an evil book.
How dare you say muslims are turds that won’t flush?
I will, but free speech is antithetical to islam, so you better watch out, or Allah, the moon god that survived Ol Moh’s purge of pagan God’s at the Kaabah will get your goat.
Then you won’t have a date this weekend.
there was no point puttin dat link there because ppl no that u probably put somefink sik on.
as soon as i saw ‘warning contains very shoocking images’ i stopped watching it so u mite as well just tell us what it is about.
Coward!
So you haven’t seen Geert Wilder’s “Fitna?”
It shows exactly what I have been saying about the pathetic tome, known as the koran.
A good joke is wasted on you…and you call me thick.
i hate u foo fucking bitch nigger
iam amarican and i dont think this the shit u just did is freaking dump u should be ashamed of u r self puting that on google foo if i knew u i would beat u until u mom lol jk look men that was unprobriete
Is that what passes for literacy in Washington state these days?
No wonder things are so screwed up there.
The first clue that a person commenting is an idiot, is when they make physical threats. The second is when they do so when it concerns the evil koran.
You, sir, are a card carrying member of Idiots Anonymous.
Go to hell… stop disrespecting a holy book. You’ll never see a Muslim putting your holy books in a toilet!!! Learn some respect. People like you deserve to die and go straight to hell….which you will anyways!
This repeated lie, that the koran is a holy book is clearly pounded into the head of the MohBots.
Additionally, the claim that muslims are respectful of others, but that others aren’t respectful of them, is an excellent example of, if a lie is repeated often enough, that the liars believe them. Islam is the most insecure of all beliefs, and cannot tolerate any competition with other beliefs. If someone wants to deface the Holy Bible, so what? But when someone does anything to a koran, the MohBots want to go jihad on everybody.
Islam is a scourge on mankind.
Here are some examples of muslim respect for Christianity.
Pakistani Muslims attack church, torture Christians
BANGLADESH: PASTOR’S WIFE GANG-RAPED, HOME ROBBED
TURKEY: ANCIENT MONASTERY THREATENED(by MohBots)
Muslim Thieves Rape Girl When They Realize Victim is Christian
EGYPT: JUDGE TELLS OF DESIRE TO KILL CHRISTIAN
And then there is the way muslims respect Buddhists, Hindus, and others.
If muslims are truly interested in having respect, then you need to show self-respect, and reform islam, or leave it.
What you continue to ignore, and gloss over, is the fact that everything they do can be justified in the koran…it’s all there, they aren’t making anything up.
Reform islam/koran, so that they won’t have the more than one hundred verses that advocate violence.
They know exactly what they are doing, and the koran justifies it.
You still don’t, or refuse to get it. The problem is with the koran, not individual muslims. I do know, that the NORMAL muslim will not dare to confront the mufsid, for fear of takfir. Therefore they act with impunity. Also, when in your own country, 100,000 muslims protest in the street, some violently, tells me they are inclined toward supporting islam, and other muslims first, and not the greater society they live in.
So tell me…straight up, you condemn the muslim abu hamza for the hatred he spreads in the name of islam. Don’t say you condemn terrorism, tell me you specifically condemn him as a muslim inciting other muslims to committ violence against the kuffir, and no taqiyya.
I dare you!
All you kafirs will burn in hell .
No haji, it is the MohBots who will roasting, along with Ol Moh.
n2l
shut up all the people who think muslim are not good muslim are the must respecting poeple and im a muslim and i say i respect all reiogns i think that you should too! p.s TAKE THIS THING OF THE WEB CAS THIS IS DISRESPECTING TO MUSLIMS AND ITS NOT LIKE MUSLIMS ARE PUTTING A PIC OF THE BILE IN THE TOILET
may allah put you through what you have put through that holly book and may allah distroy you insha allah
plz move that image
DEATH TO KOFIRS. GIVE ME YOUR ADRESS YOU CONDOM!!! ILL SHOW YOU CRIME. GIVE ME YOUR ADRESS YOU LOSER!!! FULL ADRESS. ILL GO THERE AND BURN YOUR FLAG WITH YOUR MOTHER AND SISTER. JUST GIVE IT TO ME. PUBLISH IT HERE, IF YOU ARE NOT A CONDOM.
So, Anonymous (IP Address: 86.21.84.133) pig-fucker — do you mind if I call you a pig-fucker? ‘Cause you do like fucking swine, don’t you? — you’re going to fly here from London to burn me, my flag, my mother, and my sister?
Uh, huh. Sure you are. You know as well as I do that you’re probably already on a no-fly terrorist watch list.
I’ll tell you what, Muhammad, you leave me your name and full address, and the next time I’m in London, I’ll look you up. You can tell me all about how Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. That is, if you’re not busy raping your sons or beating your wives.
Oh, and just a reminder — unlike the UK, we here in the States, and especially here in Texas — are allowed to keep weapons in our home. Lots and lots of them if we choose. And we’re also allowed to shoot you dead (and then keep shooting) if you threaten our homes or families. I promise you, if you or any of your Islamic pig-fucking friends show up on my land, I’ll pull the trigger till it goes “click”.
fuck you.
r ur family as racist as u?
or r they respectful.
and r u saying that all the verses in the koran r bad?
if so, u need to think again.
I dared you, anonymous, and you haven’t replied.
Just answer the dare or effoff.
Remove that image
That speaks poorly of you, especially when you try and convince people that you are a goooood muslim, but you won’t condemn a baaaaad muslim by name.
It’s that mindset, that mentality, that demonstrates clearly for all to see that islam is incompatible with modern society, and that the murderous bastards that follow it can count on idiots like you to support them by not taking action. So when non-muslims do take action against them, gooood muslims like you call those people waaaaaythists.
Islam is the scourge of the Earth, and you are pathetic.
if u had a brain, u would know that i was implying that YOU cannot make decisions for ME.
i think you need to go back to school and learn the basics…
christianity is the scourge of the earth and YOU are pathetic.
have you noticed that i haven’t resorted to SWEARING as a last option to make someone upset?
You are not only pathetic, you are an idiotic MohBot.
Abu hamza must be proud to count you among is supporters.
Ugly Image idea,
Shame on you, please you have to be at least human
You are completely right. Freedom of opinion. Disrespect is allowed and is not a crime as long as no laws are broken. There is NO LAW against flushing books (or burning flags, in your example).
USA IS A CONTRY NOT A RELIGON IF SOME ONE HAD TO THAT TO THE BIBLE OR ANY OTHER RELIGOUS BOOK THEY SHOULD ALSO BE ARRESTED. RELIGON IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN A COUNTRY RELIGON IS YOUR BELIF IT IS WHAT GUIDES YOU
You are pathetic because you are locked into being a MohBot that claims to be a gooood muslim, but won’t condemn a baaaad muslim. So don’t look now, but your pathetic takfir is showing.
Your idiocy is further illustrated when you claim I made this forum. I did not, just a contributor.
You keep mentioning my swearing, but of course you never mention the foul things your fellow MohBots have said on this page. All muslims are goooood muslims to you.
/idiot
fuck you i love gad and i love quran
I can only smile at the way you’re trying to see and picture the things here. I am a writer myself and I know how much biased you’re being here. Firstly you’re comparing a flag of country with Holy Book of Muslims that is no comparison the comparison would have been Bible and Quran or some other Holy book. Secondly, we should learn to respect books which give us knowledge left aside the Holy Books even if they’re not of your religion. Throwing them in toiled shows the mental state of person and you’re trying to support that person. I can only offer you to re-think upon your view.
Now for some comic relief.
I’m glad to see you come to that realization.
That’s where you show you still don’t understand, or refuse to. Everything those MUSLIM TERRORISTS
do is justified in the koran.
Oh bullshit!
Muslims aren’t the victims here, they are the co-conspirators in terrorism because they don’t take responsibility for the actions of the monsters in their midst, and reform islam.
/idiot
Muslim cleric sentenced to 15-years in jail for terror plot.
Sounds like the Religion of Pieces, and not Peace, to me.
No, that’s not true, just viewed with suspicion, because they won’t do anything about the behavior that some muslim exhibit, and that they aren’t condemned by muslims for it.
You keep trying to play the victim in this, but until islam is reformed, it will be the cause of more true victims.
There have now been 12,682 deadly muslim terrorist attacks since 9-11.
No peace in sight…for non-muslims.
My first message is for you Muslim brothers and sisters, leave them, just let them hate and hate till the day they die..and then you know.. what happens next…guys..let’s pray for them.. i think every humanbeing is worth saving..
Guys.. I want you to read this..
((We have Sent down this Book to you with the truth for all mankind. So, he who comes to guidance does so for himself, and he who goes astray does so for his own loss; on you does not lie their guardianship))
To you O big Islam haters..especially those who talk about the verses which mention the killing.. it was sent from Allah in a time.. when Quraish marched an enormous army wanting to kill that man who called for one God..and seeing people are converting to Islam.. made them jeouls..
and so.. those verses…are talking about the battle..you don’t think Muslims would watch Quraish idols worshippers kill them.. and just do nothing about it.. the FACT that you don’t wanna know THE REAL meaning behind those verses..makes me BELIEVE that you’re also jealous..ISLAM IS GROWING.. please deal with it…
It’s ironic when history repeat its self..isn’t it?!!!
Haifa?
I think Riyadh girl is more accurate.
One of the oldest and most overused lies in all of islam, self-defense.
Then there is the old “fastest growing religion” meme.
Pity you don’t want to know the real meaning behind the wicked words of Ol Moh, Riyadh.
no2brains, you r a vain self-obsessed idiot,
STRAINING to find something 2 do wi ur life,
so u settled wiv the hating of a belief system which has done nothing to harm u.
hurting people for no reason
maKing GOD UNHAPPY
i m sure Allah wouldn’t like u doing this type of careless abuse
anonymous from Essex, you are lashing out in defense of an insecure belief system. Defending the indefensible is a fool’s errand, so job well done.
I don’t have to look for something to do, I am quite busy. Trying to educate fools like you in the error of your ways, is just something I do for fun.
I doubt God is unhappy with me for trying to lead you to him. The real allah was a pagan moon goddess, that Ol Moh didn’t get rid of, like he did all the other pagan god’s, when he conquered Mecca…with a sword, btw.
Wise up and turn away from the Satanic verses of Ol Moh, before it’s too late.
listen all u bastards who wrote idiotic things about a nobel man and a prophet know one thing… u are all proving that ur mothers slept in many brothels before giving birth to u. a muslim would never insult a prophet of any other religion though u ignorant fools call jesus the son of god well if jesus is the son of god then prove it u morons…dont give me the bullshit that he was born of a miracle so it makes more sense that adam should be more the son of god coz he didnt even had a mother.
so get alive
and
p.s. dont forget to ask ur moms about brothels
Hunh, a smart-assed MohBot from Romania, where the muslim population is less than 1%…and declining.
And he wants to cast aspersion on my ancestry, all the time, he was conceived in Misyar. He writes the same way his mother married…quick and dirty.
Nah, they just burn down their churches and murder or drive them away.
Henh-henh.
How do you know it wasn’t, were you there?
Here is some reading for you.
HEY mr number..
I don’t expect you to believe me.. I know you would say this..
I just wanted to pass my message to my brothers and sister in Islam..
Guys… again.. don’t waste your time here..
(f)
May Allah reward you for defending his religion.
PROUD of you guys..I REALLY am..
Incase you say that stupid Q…
Oh really if you don’t want to waste your time here..why are you here? what are you doing..
well.. truth be told.. i got this in my mailbox
[UrbanGrounds] New Comment On: Flushing a Koran (or Quran) is Not a Hate Crime <<
I was like .. what? what’s this..
I forgot all about you… TRUST me.. but once i clicked the link..
i went: OH IT’S THAT BIG HATER GUY!!!! *.*
This post is closed to new comments. It was simply getting too long with so many comments.
I have created a new thread here to continue the debate (replete with a copy of the same image as above).
Go here to continue the comments:
Flushing a Quran Down the Toilet: Part Deux