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	<title>Comments on: PV2 Scott Beauchamp Recants His &#8220;War Atrocities&#8221; Story</title>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94543</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s quite an allegation- worse than any thing Scott Thomas alleged I&#039;d venture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s quite an allegation- worse than any thing Scott Thomas alleged I&#8217;d venture.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94224</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preston --- I don&#039;t believe (as most don&#039;t now) that there &lt;em&gt;ever were&lt;/em&gt; 4-5 corroborating witnesses.

I think at best they had 1 corroborating witness (un-named) to all three incidents, and tried to portray it as multiple corroborating witnesses.

I&#039;ll tell you right now, that with the behavior described by Beauchamp, there would have been numerous witnesses. 

In the Bradley, there are 4-5 other crewmembers, all of whom would have outranked Beauchamp, and a vehicle commander who would have never &quot;covered&quot; for Beauchamp&#039;s story because he knows how much more detrimental to his career lying to investigators would have been than simpy admitting &quot;yeah, we ran over some dogs&quot;.

In the dining room incident, the entire DFAC would have been a witness --- and believe me, when the Army started their investigation, anybody who did know something about it would have gladly stepped forward to bury Beauchamp with the truth. If it had ever happened (it didn&#039;t).

Again, Preston: just because TNR claims to have found corroborating witnesses, doesn&#039;t mean they did. At this point, it&#039;s devolved so much and has so tarnished their reputation, that if they did indeed have independent verification of these &quot;facts&quot;, they better start naming names.

They won&#039;t though. Because those &quot;witnesses&quot; don&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preston &#8212; I don&#8217;t believe (as most don&#8217;t now) that there <em>ever were</em> 4-5 corroborating witnesses.</p>
<p>I think at best they had 1 corroborating witness (un-named) to all three incidents, and tried to portray it as multiple corroborating witnesses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you right now, that with the behavior described by Beauchamp, there would have been numerous witnesses. </p>
<p>In the Bradley, there are 4-5 other crewmembers, all of whom would have outranked Beauchamp, and a vehicle commander who would have never &#8220;covered&#8221; for Beauchamp&#8217;s story because he knows how much more detrimental to his career lying to investigators would have been than simpy admitting &#8220;yeah, we ran over some dogs&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the dining room incident, the entire DFAC would have been a witness &#8212; and believe me, when the Army started their investigation, anybody who did know something about it would have gladly stepped forward to bury Beauchamp with the truth. If it had ever happened (it didn&#8217;t).</p>
<p>Again, Preston: just because TNR claims to have found corroborating witnesses, doesn&#8217;t mean they did. At this point, it&#8217;s devolved so much and has so tarnished their reputation, that if they did indeed have independent verification of these &#8220;facts&#8221;, they better start naming names.</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t though. Because those &#8220;witnesses&#8221; don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94147</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First:
You&#039;ll have to debate Adam over that one.  He accuses me of providing &lt;em&gt;too many&lt;/em&gt; statistics to back my argument.
Second:
Seriously, what more do you want an editor to do than get 5 (4) corroborating witnesses?  Or do these not exist?  Obviously, the New Republic screwed up but I&#039;m curious about how you imagine a magazine would be run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First:<br />
You&#8217;ll have to debate Adam over that one.  He accuses me of providing <em>too many</em> statistics to back my argument.<br />
Second:<br />
Seriously, what more do you want an editor to do than get 5 (4) corroborating witnesses?  Or do these not exist?  Obviously, the New Republic screwed up but I&#8217;m curious about how you imagine a magazine would be run.</p>
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		<title>By: kma</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94137</link>
		<dc:creator>kma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First:  Why? You never do.  And when pressed and you do come up with something, it&#039;s easy to spot your dishonesty.

Second:  It was clear long before 11/27/06, that the NR reverted to typical libtard behavior.

And you can attempt to downplay Beauchamp&#039;s  and NR&#039;s despicable behaviror.  Unfortunately for them, they got caught in another lie.  Just like you always do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First:  Why? You never do.  And when pressed and you do come up with something, it&#8217;s easy to spot your dishonesty.</p>
<p>Second:  It was clear long before 11/27/06, that the NR reverted to typical libtard behavior.</p>
<p>And you can attempt to downplay Beauchamp&#8217;s  and NR&#8217;s despicable behaviror.  Unfortunately for them, they got caught in another lie.  Just like you always do!</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94133</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i used to think you just played dumb to torture those exercising common sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i used to think you just played dumb to torture those exercising common sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94131</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, I missed the unexpurgated &#039;look into your mind&#039;...  I&#039;d love to know if everyone you meet is treated to the toughguy act of if it&#039;s necessary to be an anonymous encounter.

First: it&#039;s debate convention, since I&#039;d guess the entirety of Western Civilization, for the burden of proof to rest on the person- say Copernicus- making the statement- say &#039;The world revolves around the sun&#039;.  I would have expected that you&#039;d be eager to provide supporting evidence for your arguments...     

Second: with the newfound information, I&#039;ll cede the point: on November 27th the New Republic went from celebrating the troops as the bearers of freedom in the Arab world to soliciting fabricated tales suggesting that soldiers don&#039;t treat dogs very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, I missed the unexpurgated &#8216;look into your mind&#8217;&#8230;  I&#8217;d love to know if everyone you meet is treated to the toughguy act of if it&#8217;s necessary to be an anonymous encounter.</p>
<p>First: it&#8217;s debate convention, since I&#8217;d guess the entirety of Western Civilization, for the burden of proof to rest on the person- say Copernicus- making the statement- say &#8216;The world revolves around the sun&#8217;.  I would have expected that you&#8217;d be eager to provide supporting evidence for your arguments&#8230;     </p>
<p>Second: with the newfound information, I&#8217;ll cede the point: on November 27th the New Republic went from celebrating the troops as the bearers of freedom in the Arab world to soliciting fabricated tales suggesting that soldiers don&#8217;t treat dogs very well.</p>
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		<title>By: kma</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94098</link>
		<dc:creator>kma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do your own google search, [&lt;em&gt;deleted by Robbie: let&#039;s try to tone down personal attack on other commenters. Remember: attack ideas, not people (as a general rule)&lt;/em&gt;].  If you had you would have found:

 &quot;At this point, it seems almost beside the point to say this: The New Republic deeply regrets its early support for this war.&quot; 11/27/2006

If you want a link, get it yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do your own google search, [<em>deleted by Robbie: let's try to tone down personal attack on other commenters. Remember: attack ideas, not people (as a general rule)</em>].  If you had you would have found:</p>
<p> &#8220;At this point, it seems almost beside the point to say this: The New Republic deeply regrets its early support for this war.&#8221; 11/27/2006</p>
<p>If you want a link, get it yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/08/beauchamp-recants/#comment-94031</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, unless the New Republic is actually lying about the corroboration I&#039;m not sure that the editors would be expected to do much more than to get 4 (and a half)  separate eye-witness accounts to the events the writer depicted.  

Occam&#039;s Razor would suggest either the soldiers were lying in the first place or they are lying now to save there skins.  I don&#039;t find it plausible that a pro-war magazine (I&#039;m still waiting for KMA&#039;s link suggesting they changed their position on that) would abet the fabrication of this story.  Even if TNR was anti-war, this story doesn&#039;t necessarily lead to the conclusion that US troops should withdraw from Iraq.  I just don&#039;t see the upside for the New Republic to act in a conspiracy to slander US troops as dog killers and skull wearers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, unless the New Republic is actually lying about the corroboration I&#8217;m not sure that the editors would be expected to do much more than to get 4 (and a half)  separate eye-witness accounts to the events the writer depicted.  </p>
<p>Occam&#8217;s Razor would suggest either the soldiers were lying in the first place or they are lying now to save there skins.  I don&#8217;t find it plausible that a pro-war magazine (I&#8217;m still waiting for KMA&#8217;s link suggesting they changed their position on that) would abet the fabrication of this story.  Even if TNR was anti-war, this story doesn&#8217;t necessarily lead to the conclusion that US troops should withdraw from Iraq.  I just don&#8217;t see the upside for the New Republic to act in a conspiracy to slander US troops as dog killers and skull wearers.</p>
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