Sep 022007
Howard Dean, while pandering to Islamists, told them that they should seek political office “to accomplish their goals“.
Perhaps Dean should be reminded of some of their loftier goals:
- World-wide Islamic caliphate
- Sharia law
- Dhimmitude
Well done, Howard. Well done. Only in the demented reversal-world of progressive politics does President Bush = dangerous and bad, and radical Islamists = good.
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OTHERS:
Pam at Atlas Shrugged: “The Democrats have become the “opposite of America” party. Whatever is good for America, they are opposed to.”
Sadly, this is one of the most accurate descriptions of the Democratic party that I’ve heard in quite some time.
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Well that’s a pretty dishonest portrayal, don’t ya think?
(Unless you draw no distinction between ‘Muslim’ and ‘Islamist’: a great way to push one billion people into al Qaeda’s corner.)
Like it or not, this is a democracy (of sorts). They have a right — no, an obligation — to seek representation and redress of grievances through the mechanisms enshrined in our various state and federal constitutions. What would you prefer that they do instead, send their children out to shopping malls, wrapped in dynamite?
Thanks, but I actually think immigrants should assimilate. That means political organization.
Good point, Lyle.
There is a certain amount of a Catch 22 if the right is going to blame moderate Muslims for their perceived lack of resolve in standing up to Islamicism yet beat down the moderates if they attempt to gain power through legitimate channels.
Except Dean wasn’t talking to “moderate Muslims” who want to assimilate into American culture.
He was speaking at the Islamic Society of North America conference; ISNA, of course, is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror trial, and is a front group of the Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood, who make no secret that their goal is to establish Islamic rule over the world.
Don’t you guys get the struggle we are in with Muslims? I hear what you are saying and it all sounds very intellectual, proper and nice. but the Muslim way of life and western way of life are not compatible. its like oil and water. no good true devout Muslim will accept western decadent ways. I am not sure you understand that if Muslims do gain power in this country like you so politely encourage them to go ahead and do, that is it your way of life that will be erased. say goodbye to Christianity, rock music, political films, radical art, free expression..etc…I am constantly astounded to find out how oblivious people are to the very serious nature of the struggle we are in…it’s for our very way of life.!.. we are in the new crusades. I know to most easy goin, laid back, hey man don’t be a hater liberals, this sounds mad. but look at Paris with the riots. look at how England is changing. look at all the countries Muslims have moved into and then don’t assimilate and push their ways on the host country. wake up people if the Muslim way dominates our western ways, you good liberals would not have your ideas tolerated. True devout Muslims hate what most liberals believe in…that is what I always found most interesting and disturbing: liberals seems to be on the side of Muslims and think the US is evil. but in reality if the Muslims win this war, the first up against the wall will be the liberals. I still am completely and utterly bowled over by the lack of understanding of this point by most good liberals..!??! please help me understand why you would want and encourage some ideology that would stand against everything you believe in…!!??
Actually, Islam is Islamism, and for those who are moderate, they are just not indoctrinated into the aspects of the Koran, where the mufsidun get there inspiration, but it’s all there.
Submit, pay jizya, or have your head lopped off, those are the choices.
A good friend of mine, Kurd by hertitage, Iraqi by birth, and a U.S. citizen and Christian by choice, has been serving with our troops as an interpreter since before the invasion in 2003, and has been wounded twice. He was here in Dallas, on leave recently, and he told me some of the things he could, without violating OPSEC, and the mufsidun(not jihadis, there is a distinction) that he has help capture are thoroughly indoctrinated, in the aims of the Global Hirabah. One mufsidun they captured in an early morning raid, was clearly not Iraqi, and was radicalized. When he spoke to him in his Baghdad accent, the prisoner began to plead for his life, and tried to kiss my friends feet. He was disgusted, and wanted to just kick him, but he didn’t, instead he decided to mess with his head. He asked him why he had left Pakistan and come to Iraq, to which the brave mufsidun stated, as matter of factly as one might say they were going to the store, that he was there to kill infidels. My friend, still trying to keep his toes from being kissed, informed the prisoner, that not only was he an American citizen, but a Christian, too. He said the look of shock on the prisoners face and eyes, was priceless, as the realization that he had almost kissed the toes of a kaffir was processed.
The mufsidun come from all over the world, but primarily from muslim countries, which is a strong indicator of how widespread their support is.
Most muslims I know, and I know many, are just like anybody else, they want to raise their families, live a good life, and be happy. However, due to al-takfir, they would quickly chose the side of the hirabah, if forced to chose between islam or modernity.
Don’t you guys get the struggle we are in with Muslims?
How has our declaration of war against Islamic countries worked out for us: is there more or less terrorism in the world than there was 10 years ago?
Most muslims I know, and I know many, are just like anybody else, they want to raise their families, live a good life, and be happy. However, due to al-takfir, they would quickly chose the side of the hirabah, if forced to chose between islam or modernity.
I agree with the first part of that. I have my doubts about the second.
Hey Preston, when did we declare war on all Muslim countries?
I honestly don’t know if terrorism is more or less prevalent that it was right now than it was 10 years ago. If it is more, I could make a pretty good case that we let the terrorists organize before 9/11, and now we are reaping the fruits of our inaction.
As for your doubts, perhaps you need to examine the polls taken in Britain…40% of muslims want sharia law! Keep in mind that’s 40% who are willing to admit it, the real number is probably higher. In the USA, a recent Pew poll revealed that 60% of muslims think that 9/11 was a government conspiracy.
When their view of reality is that distorted, does anybody question who they would support if the proverbial shit hits the fan?
Marc makes a very fair point.
I live in one of the UK’s most Muslim inhabited cities and trust me, there is little to no assimilation going on.
Even to the fact where I am being ask to produce work an hour earlier for one of our customers as he has to have go to his mosque at a certain time for friday prayer.
Now I’m as tollerant as they come, and I fully respect those who practice a religion (although I do think ALL religion is nonsense), but I do have to question the path of any country that allows other countries to form from within – that is exactly what is happening in the UK.
With no intergration of the native british christian and the imigrant population there is only one outcome, and that is civil unrest.
Not that i’m pointing a finger at anyone here, but if your religion dicates such that inhibits you from participating in your selected country of origin, then your screwed, and those who should be interacting with you are screwed as well.
I’m not sure what the answer is.
It would be wrong to suggest muslims should be ‘less practicing’ when they reach our sures, however it is only common courtesy to express a willingness to assimilate into the country you chose as home.
Maybe second, third or fourth generation Muslims will assimilate better? Maybe not.
Only time will tell.
Jonny
I am not going to hold my breath waiting for Muslims (on the whole) to assimilate into our culture. As was mentioned – the cultures are diametrically opposed. Also, the ‘Christian’ nations have become lax – it’s not popular to be an outspoken defendant of the Truth! We’ve left the more liberal faction of our country drive us into PC behavior which condones everything from illegal immigration, ‘forgiving’ child molesters, to viciously defaming and persecuting the Christian part of our nations upon which this country was founded. I am sick of the ACLU, activist judges and do-nothing politicians that let this behavior proliferate!
Quite simply put… it is the stated directive that Islam is to make the entire world a Caliphate and destruction to the Christians and Jews! This is NOT going away, so if we don’t deal with it now, later will be too late!
That’s very presumptious if you don’t mind me saying so FedUp.
I’m agnostic and I find it irritating to hear people tell my what ‘truth’ is when it is based on nothing more than what should now be considered fairy tales.
The problems we have around the globe today are mainly down to one man thinking his religion is supereor to another.
Trust me, all religions are bollox. Although I respect your right to believe in whatever you see fit, you should really spend more energy on more constructive activities!
Jonny
I believe the point Jon is that the Muslims don’t share your “re ligion is bollocks” point of view. they don’t think it is fairy tales. and if you said that under their rule, you would be in life threatening danger…that’s the problem…of course you have first hand knowledge of this and I am not telling you anything new, but they actually really DO believe, and are willing to do anything for their beliefs, unlike a lot of the west..the west has taken a much more lax view on religion: hey believe if you want, or not it’s cool, attitude. I agree with you in a perfect world we should all be able to worship as we please or not…but the Muslims are not nearly as tolerant of that attitude, and if they get their way and control of their host countries, they will not be as tolerant as you or I are…they will put the clamp-down on us and it will be: believe our way or get out.. or worse civil war & death. the west has to wake up out of its drug induced; media overloaded haze and realize this is the fight of our life. not since WWII has the west been in such dire straights. it is our very open mindedness they are using against us..!!! PC speech and attitudes are the noose around our necks, and we are giving them the rope..how stupid have we become.?? this is going to go on for decades. Anyone who thinks this is over when the U.S. pulls out its troops is a severe optimist and naive. They bombed the twin towers back in 93 and a navy ship in 98 or so..911 was not the start only the latest chapter in this struggle of idealeogy..they will not stop until we are converted OR they are pushed completely back to where they came from. there is no middle ground, none, I am very sorry to say. it is a shame we can’t just live together. but incompatible ways of life and beliefs only lead to one side winning and the other being stamped out..which side do we want to win?
You’ve Muslims and Muslim extremists. There is a difference. Theo van Gogh who said publicly (one example) ‘all Muslims are goat fuckers’ (geitenneukers) and made the film Submission with Ayaan Hirschi Ali was killed by a Muslim extremist.
Every extremist is dangerous, Muslim, Christian, Vegetarian, Republican, Democrat, it doesn’t matter.
I do see your point Marc, and cool me a fool, but I have faith in our and otehr European and western governments that we will never be in a situation where we have to abide by muslim rule.
I do agree with you though – I think our lackluster attitude will possibly be the death of us.
Jonny
Anyone who thinks this is over when the U.S. pulls out its troops is a severe optimist and naive
This is not the argument for withdrawal. As we have seen in Iraq, Sunni tribes will eventually turn against al Qaeda in Iraq but the common enemy of the US occupation allowed al Qaeda in Iraq to grow from nothing into a killing machine. Can I put this more simply: the US presence facilitated the growth of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
This administration reminds me of 18th century doctors: just a few more leeches and the disease will be cured. Well, your good intentions are not enough- the right tools need to be used to defeat al Qaeda. When will people see the patient is dying and try a new treatment?
I am all for that preston. lets try something new, like fighting a war to win. lets fight like we used to. carpet bomb and bring the country to its knees. remember japan and germany? we paid no attention to civilian casualties, it was demoralize the civil population in an attempt to get the leaders to the table. those targets in japan were not military, we dropped those bombs to make a point: keep fighting with us and we will ease your country entirely. today we play nice and do surgical strikes. stupid..I agree with you preston, lets change tactics and really fight. unleash the force of our military, this would be over in weeks. too bad we don’t have those kind of leaders anymore with backbone, or a media that actually supported what the military does. now its all bickering and political jockying for position and talking points. sometimes I think I should just turn off all media and just unplug, and whatever happens in the world so be it. it seems everything I beleive in or want to happen the exact opposite happens.. frustrating sometimes when I see this country so kicked around and made to be the reason for all the evil in the world. like there was never evil before we existed. lastly preston, did terrorism exist before we went into iraq?? do you think it will exist 50 years from now?? yes to all the above. sure us being over there only inflammed things. but what are we to do??? nothing? try sanctions some more? try talking to these people??? look they hate us and no matter what we do nothing will change that..this is a war of ideology, one side will win….the one with the stronger will, and that appears to not be us.