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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-114150</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Dianne, I just remembered I took this test:
http://selectsmart.com/president/2008.html

Looking back it says Ron Paul is my man among the Republicans.  I have some strong reservations about that. 

My next closest match is Mike Huckabee then McCain.  Romney is actually below both of them- that surprises me.

As for Democrats, I tied between Dodd and Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Dianne, I just remembered I took this test:<br />
<a href="http://selectsmart.com/president/2008.html" rel="nofollow">http://selectsmart.com/president/2008.html</a></p>
<p>Looking back it says Ron Paul is my man among the Republicans.  I have some strong reservations about that. </p>
<p>My next closest match is Mike Huckabee then McCain.  Romney is actually below both of them- that surprises me.</p>
<p>As for Democrats, I tied between Dodd and Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113988</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preston:  Interesting.   Everybody talks about how &quot;likable&quot; Giuliani is, but Robbie doesn&#039;t like him and neither do you or I.   Apparently his own kids don&#039;t have anything to do with him.  Troubling.

Robbie.  I think Biden does quite well during the debates, especially on foreign policy.  I don&#039;t care for Richardson but he&#039;s better than Edwards. I&#039;d still be torn between Hillary and Obama.  Obama definitely has the &quot;likability&quot; factor going for him but his lack of experience in foreign affairs and terrorism  is pretty evident during the debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preston:  Interesting.   Everybody talks about how &#8220;likable&#8221; Giuliani is, but Robbie doesn&#8217;t like him and neither do you or I.   Apparently his own kids don&#8217;t have anything to do with him.  Troubling.</p>
<p>Robbie.  I think Biden does quite well during the debates, especially on foreign policy.  I don&#8217;t care for Richardson but he&#8217;s better than Edwards. I&#8217;d still be torn between Hillary and Obama.  Obama definitely has the &#8220;likability&#8221; factor going for him but his lack of experience in foreign affairs and terrorism  is pretty evident during the debates.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113981</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s pretty dishonest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Really?
Oh I see, it&#039;s the nuance that the left is so fond of.  That statement, standing alone from his lengthier dissertation as to why gun rights should be trampled on, is as honest as a leftist politician can be.  Or perhaps any leftist.
Was BJ Clinton being honest by saying he was opposed to the war in Iraq, even when he said he was for it just four years ago?  More nuance, or more dishonesty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s pretty dishonest.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?<br />
Oh I see, it&#8217;s the nuance that the left is so fond of.  That statement, standing alone from his lengthier dissertation as to why gun rights should be trampled on, is as honest as a leftist politician can be.  Or perhaps any leftist.<br />
Was BJ Clinton being honest by saying he was opposed to the war in Iraq, even when he said he was for it just four years ago?  More nuance, or more dishonesty?</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113975</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dianne --- flipping your question to Preston...

If I had to vote for one of the current Democratic candidates --- it would come down to either Richardson or Biden. But I think I&#039;d go with Biden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dianne &#8212; flipping your question to Preston&#8230;</p>
<p>If I had to vote for one of the current Democratic candidates &#8212; it would come down to either Richardson or Biden. But I think I&#8217;d go with Biden.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113971</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &#039;selective quotation&#039; I mean the practice of cutting a quote in half to obscure or change it&#039;s meaning.  It&#039;s pretty dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8216;selective quotation&#8217; I mean the practice of cutting a quote in half to obscure or change it&#8217;s meaning.  It&#8217;s pretty dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113967</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typo=$39&lt;strong&gt;B&lt;/strong&gt;illion</description>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113963</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was a good&#039;un, and representative of the leftist mentality in this country.
Ooh, here&#039;s another one selected by me.
Hildebeast, winter DNC meeting 07, concerning Exxon&#039;s $39million profit:


&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;strong&gt;I want to take those profits&lt;/strong&gt; and put them into an alternative energy fund that will begin to fund alternative smart energy alternatives that will actually begin to move us toward the direction of independence.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nice!  Government confiscating the profits of a publicly traded company for her own socialist ideal of how this country should function.  No, â€˜â€˜We cannot be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americansâ€™â€™ who invest, or whose retirement funds invest in publicly traded companies, when more government programs are needed to advance her communist ideals.
She wants energy independence by punishing profitable businesses?
What a twit!  All she need do to insure our energy independence is get off of her huge ass, and push the Senate to allow drilling on our coasts and in Alaska.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was a good&#8217;un, and representative of the leftist mentality in this country.<br />
Ooh, here&#8217;s another one selected by me.<br />
Hildebeast, winter DNC meeting 07, concerning Exxon&#8217;s $39million profit:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<strong>I want to take those profits</strong> and put them into an alternative energy fund that will begin to fund alternative smart energy alternatives that will actually begin to move us toward the direction of independence.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice!  Government confiscating the profits of a publicly traded company for her own socialist ideal of how this country should function.  No, â€˜â€˜We cannot be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americansâ€™â€™ who invest, or whose retirement funds invest in publicly traded companies, when more government programs are needed to advance her communist ideals.<br />
She wants energy independence by punishing profitable businesses?<br />
What a twit!  All she need do to insure our energy independence is get off of her huge ass, and push the Senate to allow drilling on our coasts and in Alaska.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113959</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice selective quotation, No2...

Dianne- tough question. 

I don&#039;t really know anything about Thompson- but that&#039;s part of the problem- I fear his lazy congressional record and campaign style is a forecast of his governing style.  I don&#039;t want a follow-up to a Reagan-style hands-off administration.  As we saw with Reagan, (or US Grant) the potential for misdeeds by underlings runs too high.

 I would never vote for Giuliani- his authoritarian tendency ( to, for instance, subvert NYC election law in an effort to extend his own term) is the last thing we need now. 

I actually voted for McCain in the 2000 primary because he was head and shoulders above his opponent (and not out of any attempt to pull of a &lt;em&gt;dirty trick&lt;/em&gt;) but he has shown himself to be a less principled than he was made out to be by the press and he is for perpetual war in Iraq and Iran, so no dice.

I don&#039;t think I have to worry about Tancredo, Hunter, or Paul winning so I&#039;ll skip them.

So that leaves Romney and Huckabee.  It&#039;s a tough call.  If I thought that he&#039;d govern like he did in Massachusetts I&#039;d go with Romney.  But I take him at his word that he is going to pander to the right-wing of the Republican party.  I do respect some of Huckabee&#039;s social justice concerns that he feels comes from his commitment to Jesus Christ yet I certainly part ways on other aspects of his agenda.  

I don&#039;t know- I still haven&#039;t chosen a Democratic nominee- but it would come down ultimately to whether I felt that Romney was willing to moderate after the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice selective quotation, No2&#8230;</p>
<p>Dianne- tough question. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know anything about Thompson- but that&#8217;s part of the problem- I fear his lazy congressional record and campaign style is a forecast of his governing style.  I don&#8217;t want a follow-up to a Reagan-style hands-off administration.  As we saw with Reagan, (or US Grant) the potential for misdeeds by underlings runs too high.</p>
<p> I would never vote for Giuliani- his authoritarian tendency ( to, for instance, subvert NYC election law in an effort to extend his own term) is the last thing we need now. </p>
<p>I actually voted for McCain in the 2000 primary because he was head and shoulders above his opponent (and not out of any attempt to pull of a <em>dirty trick</em>) but he has shown himself to be a less principled than he was made out to be by the press and he is for perpetual war in Iraq and Iran, so no dice.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I have to worry about Tancredo, Hunter, or Paul winning so I&#8217;ll skip them.</p>
<p>So that leaves Romney and Huckabee.  It&#8217;s a tough call.  If I thought that he&#8217;d govern like he did in Massachusetts I&#8217;d go with Romney.  But I take him at his word that he is going to pander to the right-wing of the Republican party.  I do respect some of Huckabee&#8217;s social justice concerns that he feels comes from his commitment to Jesus Christ yet I certainly part ways on other aspects of his agenda.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know- I still haven&#8217;t chosen a Democratic nominee- but it would come down ultimately to whether I felt that Romney was willing to moderate after the election.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113949</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henh, because our last two donk Presidents were so hostile to America.


&lt;blockquote&gt;â€˜â€˜We cannot be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.â€™â€™
â€” B.J.Clinton, USA Today, 3/11/93 page 2A &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henh, because our last two donk Presidents were so hostile to America.</p>
<blockquote><p>â€˜â€˜We cannot be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.â€™â€™<br />
â€” B.J.Clinton, USA Today, 3/11/93 page 2A </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/gop-candidates/#comment-113912</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to like Mike Huckabee too, but his immigration stance is just not right.  But, let&#039;s face it.  The alternatives are Guiliani (who is also soft on immigration and I agree seems like a snakeoil salesman) and Romney (who I really don&#039;t think is electable but he pretty much fits my bill) and Thompson (who I agree with on almost everything but does not show up as though he wants the job which really angers me ).   Even if McCain gains steam, he&#039;s soft on immigration.  So, what have we got?  No ideal candidate. 

Preston...if you had to vote for one of the Republicans, who would it be and why?  I&#039;m just curious about how democrats think. I know they hate Bush for the war and for &quot;stealing the election&quot;, but I don&#039;t know how they&#039;d feel about a guy like Guiliani who is socially liberal vs a guy like Huckabee who is socially conservative but with a big heart for the illegal immigrant and presumably other &quot;underdogs.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to like Mike Huckabee too, but his immigration stance is just not right.  But, let&#8217;s face it.  The alternatives are Guiliani (who is also soft on immigration and I agree seems like a snakeoil salesman) and Romney (who I really don&#8217;t think is electable but he pretty much fits my bill) and Thompson (who I agree with on almost everything but does not show up as though he wants the job which really angers me ).   Even if McCain gains steam, he&#8217;s soft on immigration.  So, what have we got?  No ideal candidate. </p>
<p>Preston&#8230;if you had to vote for one of the Republicans, who would it be and why?  I&#8217;m just curious about how democrats think. I know they hate Bush for the war and for &#8220;stealing the election&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t know how they&#8217;d feel about a guy like Guiliani who is socially liberal vs a guy like Huckabee who is socially conservative but with a big heart for the illegal immigrant and presumably other &#8220;underdogs.&#8221;</p>
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