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		<title>By: philipjame$</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/ron-paul-against-gop/#comment-114297</link>
		<dc:creator>philipjame$</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can have your say and prefer who you like and also not care about any of them if you will.  However, Ron Paul is probably the most sensible politician out of all of these. Ask yourself this. Do you need somone serious, honest and faithful and true to the amercian cause in all times good or bad? OF COURSE YOU DO!  Someone who you can look in the eye? OF COURSE YOU DO!
And does any one of these wannabees hold down a serious and meaningful answer to any one given question? The only thing we can all go on is some of our primary impressions. John McCain is just pro war, as is Giulliani and Romney. So if the british gov sponsored al qaeda in the 80Â´s and 90Â´s as is discovered by an ex mi6 officer, why wage a war against something youÂ´re funding? After all Brit or Yank, itÂ´s still red, white and blue ie itÂ´s all the same in the background.  So whatÂ´s it for?.....MONEY!!! So Ron Paul knows this and his supporters do too and are down for closing down all of this charade which has been going on since 9/11.  Mark my words. You must like the patriot act then? taser guns and a police state scanning your eyes at airports and placing a chip in your drivers licence to track you? Hollywood? No, ItÂ´s  The U.S.A REAL LIFE 2007  AND ON ONWARDS. You have been warned.....Vote Ron Paul or face the consequences for your famillies future, I kid you not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can have your say and prefer who you like and also not care about any of them if you will.  However, Ron Paul is probably the most sensible politician out of all of these. Ask yourself this. Do you need somone serious, honest and faithful and true to the amercian cause in all times good or bad? OF COURSE YOU DO!  Someone who you can look in the eye? OF COURSE YOU DO!<br />
And does any one of these wannabees hold down a serious and meaningful answer to any one given question? The only thing we can all go on is some of our primary impressions. John McCain is just pro war, as is Giulliani and Romney. So if the british gov sponsored al qaeda in the 80Â´s and 90Â´s as is discovered by an ex mi6 officer, why wage a war against something youÂ´re funding? After all Brit or Yank, itÂ´s still red, white and blue ie itÂ´s all the same in the background.  So whatÂ´s it for?&#8230;..MONEY!!! So Ron Paul knows this and his supporters do too and are down for closing down all of this charade which has been going on since 9/11.  Mark my words. You must like the patriot act then? taser guns and a police state scanning your eyes at airports and placing a chip in your drivers licence to track you? Hollywood? No, ItÂ´s  The U.S.A REAL LIFE 2007  AND ON ONWARDS. You have been warned&#8230;..Vote Ron Paul or face the consequences for your famillies future, I kid you not.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/ron-paul-against-gop/#comment-113240</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, Steve.
I&#039;m respectful of your view, but not of Paul as a serious candidate.  The man is nutz!  His ideas wouldn&#039;t strengthen our nation, but make us more vulnerable.
As for the growth of government, and the spending(with the exception of the GWOT), those are the bones I have to pick with W and the Republican Congress that was turned out in &#039;06.  In my, and many others view, it was the outrageous spending and growth of government that got the GOP defeated, not Iraq, or fired U.S. Attorneys, or Abu GrabAss, or any of the other frothy non-issues the donks and their lackies in the LameStream Media tried to whip up.  W never claimed to be Reagan, and W was never the promoter of conservatism like RWR, either.  It will take a true conservative to win back their support, but not a candidate that needs psychotropic meds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Steve.<br />
I&#8217;m respectful of your view, but not of Paul as a serious candidate.  The man is nutz!  His ideas wouldn&#8217;t strengthen our nation, but make us more vulnerable.<br />
As for the growth of government, and the spending(with the exception of the GWOT), those are the bones I have to pick with W and the Republican Congress that was turned out in &#8217;06.  In my, and many others view, it was the outrageous spending and growth of government that got the GOP defeated, not Iraq, or fired U.S. Attorneys, or Abu GrabAss, or any of the other frothy non-issues the donks and their lackies in the LameStream Media tried to whip up.  W never claimed to be Reagan, and W was never the promoter of conservatism like RWR, either.  It will take a true conservative to win back their support, but not a candidate that needs psychotropic meds.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/ron-paul-against-gop/#comment-113170</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul is the personalization of what the Republican party should be. Even as a Democrat.. I would consider voting for him if it meant that our country would change as he envisions it. Our goverment is now one of the largest in history. In the past decade, it has grown immensely and spending has gone out of control under a Republican administration, directly contrary to their core beliefs.  Clearly, something has changed, and its not 911 or the terrorists. That is smokescreen to keep us in fear and influenced, while the power that be in the government and private sector keep their coffers full with contract moneys to make us feel secure. 

For those of you who don&#039;t believe in his vision, that is understandable.. the apathy for change is a might force, often stronger that the work required for change. 


Ron Paul can change our country, our citizens and how we view ourselves in the world for the better.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul is the personalization of what the Republican party should be. Even as a Democrat.. I would consider voting for him if it meant that our country would change as he envisions it. Our goverment is now one of the largest in history. In the past decade, it has grown immensely and spending has gone out of control under a Republican administration, directly contrary to their core beliefs.  Clearly, something has changed, and its not 911 or the terrorists. That is smokescreen to keep us in fear and influenced, while the power that be in the government and private sector keep their coffers full with contract moneys to make us feel secure. </p>
<p>For those of you who don&#8217;t believe in his vision, that is understandable.. the apathy for change is a might force, often stronger that the work required for change. </p>
<p>Ron Paul can change our country, our citizens and how we view ourselves in the world for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: ralphie</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/ron-paul-against-gop/#comment-112832</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Stanley has it right - nail on the head.

I wont support ANY of the others either - in fact.. im writing him in in 2008 whether he is a candidate at that time or not.

When you choose between two evils you end up choosing evil.
Im finished with that &quot;loser-method&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Stanley has it right &#8211; nail on the head.</p>
<p>I wont support ANY of the others either &#8211; in fact.. im writing him in in 2008 whether he is a candidate at that time or not.</p>
<p>When you choose between two evils you end up choosing evil.<br />
Im finished with that &#8220;loser-method&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree, Andrew, if our friends and allies knew in advance, and planned for that contingency.
I&#039;m just saying what Paul proposes is folly, from a candidate that is unrealistic, and unelectable.
Even if by some strange cosmic fart, he got elected, and tried to pull a stunt like that, he would fail in the attempt, unless it was a strategic plan.
Currently, I don&#039;t think the countries you mentioned would be able to match or exceed the military power the Chinese are amassing. 
I&#039;m not sure we can or will match&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/planbuildup.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; what they are doing&lt;/a&gt;, which is why I try to never buy anything made in China.
Also, from the 2007 update...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2007.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clearly the trend shows that the PLAN is rapidly closing the gap&lt;/a&gt; between itself and the US Navy, and particualrly when focusing on the Western Pacific, which is where the PLAN is concentrated, this is a trend worthy of watching and considering in future US Navy and other western nation&#039;s planning and acquisition schedules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree, Andrew, if our friends and allies knew in advance, and planned for that contingency.<br />
I&#8217;m just saying what Paul proposes is folly, from a candidate that is unrealistic, and unelectable.<br />
Even if by some strange cosmic fart, he got elected, and tried to pull a stunt like that, he would fail in the attempt, unless it was a strategic plan.<br />
Currently, I don&#8217;t think the countries you mentioned would be able to match or exceed the military power the Chinese are amassing.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure we can or will match<a href="http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/planbuildup.htm" rel="nofollow"> what they are doing</a>, which is why I try to never buy anything made in China.<br />
Also, from the 2007 update&#8230;<a href="http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2007.htm" rel="nofollow">Clearly the trend shows that the PLAN is rapidly closing the gap</a> between itself and the US Navy, and particualrly when focusing on the Western Pacific, which is where the PLAN is concentrated, this is a trend worthy of watching and considering in future US Navy and other western nation&#8217;s planning and acquisition schedules.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/ron-paul-against-gop/#comment-112504</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to briefly comment on Ron Paul&#039;s stated desire to withdraw U.S. troops from most of their hundreds of bases around the world. 

I do not believe that by bringing troops home from, for example; Germany, South Korea, and Japan; that we are abandoning our allies. Nor by withdrawing our fleets and Marine forces from the Pacific would we cede the Pacific Rim to China.  The decades long deployment of U.S. forces in these regions has served largely to  deflect the responsibility for providing military power and defense away from those countries that are most affected. Germany, Japan, and South Korea all have some of the strongest economies in the world, and would be more than able to provide for their own defense. However, because they are already protected by massive forces of the United States military, they spend very little on defense. 
It is my belief that if the United States were to withdraw its troops from many of these areas around the world, these countries would be forced to step up and provide for for their own defense. I find it hard to believe that in the absence of our forces, Japan and South Korea would allow China to dominate the Pacific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to briefly comment on Ron Paul&#8217;s stated desire to withdraw U.S. troops from most of their hundreds of bases around the world. </p>
<p>I do not believe that by bringing troops home from, for example; Germany, South Korea, and Japan; that we are abandoning our allies. Nor by withdrawing our fleets and Marine forces from the Pacific would we cede the Pacific Rim to China.  The decades long deployment of U.S. forces in these regions has served largely to  deflect the responsibility for providing military power and defense away from those countries that are most affected. Germany, Japan, and South Korea all have some of the strongest economies in the world, and would be more than able to provide for their own defense. However, because they are already protected by massive forces of the United States military, they spend very little on defense.<br />
It is my belief that if the United States were to withdraw its troops from many of these areas around the world, these countries would be forced to step up and provide for for their own defense. I find it hard to believe that in the absence of our forces, Japan and South Korea would allow China to dominate the Pacific.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
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		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dianne, there is more.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_odd_alliance_supporting_ro.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Odd Alliance Supporting Ron Paul.&lt;/a&gt;
It&#039;s my understanding, that Paul wants not only to bring our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq home, he wants to bring them &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; home.  He wants to abandon all of our allies and interests all over the globe.  Nice.  Concede the Pacific Rim to China, that&#039;s a brilliant move.  Remove our fleets and amphibious forces from regions where they can act quickly to any attacks on our embassies, citizens, or allies.  I would ask what he is thinking, but I don&#039;t think I really want to know.  I would just like for him, and others like him, to stay on their meds, so they won&#039;t be a threat to themselves or others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dianne, there is more.<br />
<a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_odd_alliance_supporting_ro.html" rel="nofollow">The Odd Alliance Supporting Ron Paul.</a><br />
It&#8217;s my understanding, that Paul wants not only to bring our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq home, he wants to bring them <strong>all</strong> home.  He wants to abandon all of our allies and interests all over the globe.  Nice.  Concede the Pacific Rim to China, that&#8217;s a brilliant move.  Remove our fleets and amphibious forces from regions where they can act quickly to any attacks on our embassies, citizens, or allies.  I would ask what he is thinking, but I don&#8217;t think I really want to know.  I would just like for him, and others like him, to stay on their meds, so they won&#8217;t be a threat to themselves or others.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyann</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2007/11/ron-paul-against-gop/#comment-112426</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew and all-

I stand corrected on my post regarding Paul&#039;s support at the first republican debate for creationism.  I was in error.  I certainly do not want to post  things that are untrue.  There&#039;s enough of that.   Andrew is correct,  therefore I do not know what Paul believes regarding intelligent design.    

However, I do know his belief in &quot;individual privacy rights&quot; and &quot;health freedom&quot; is hypocritical if he works to overturn Roe v. Wade.  It totally dumps his whole ideological  belief system in the crapper.  No one has explained how Paul&#039;s work to end safe, legal abortions,  jives with his individual privacy stance.  

Is economic freedom more important to Paul supporters than the individual medical freedom of women?   And believe me,  this is not just a &quot;woman&#039;s&quot; issue.  More men should be standing up for woman&#039;s right to choose.   If couples now get &quot;pregnant&quot;, they also get &quot;abortions&quot; together too.

Sorry about my incorrect post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew and all-</p>
<p>I stand corrected on my post regarding Paul&#8217;s support at the first republican debate for creationism.  I was in error.  I certainly do not want to post  things that are untrue.  There&#8217;s enough of that.   Andrew is correct,  therefore I do not know what Paul believes regarding intelligent design.    </p>
<p>However, I do know his belief in &#8220;individual privacy rights&#8221; and &#8220;health freedom&#8221; is hypocritical if he works to overturn Roe v. Wade.  It totally dumps his whole ideological  belief system in the crapper.  No one has explained how Paul&#8217;s work to end safe, legal abortions,  jives with his individual privacy stance.  </p>
<p>Is economic freedom more important to Paul supporters than the individual medical freedom of women?   And believe me,  this is not just a &#8220;woman&#8217;s&#8221; issue.  More men should be standing up for woman&#8217;s right to choose.   If couples now get &#8220;pregnant&#8221;, they also get &#8220;abortions&#8221; together too.</p>
<p>Sorry about my incorrect post.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other big problem with Dr. Paul is his hypocrisy on &quot;big government&quot; and &quot;states issues&quot;.

Dr. Paul says that he believes in &quot;smaller government&quot;, and that states issues should be left to the states.

Then why on Earth did Dr. Paul request 60+ earmarks totally more than $400m ... most of which go towards propping up the Texas gulf coast and shrimping industry.

As an &lt;a href=&quot;http://criminyjicket.wordpress.com/2007/07/08/ron-paul-releases-earmarks-information/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Indiana Libertarian&lt;/a&gt; wrote:

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&lt;blockquote&gt;..[I] donâ€™t see why a libertarian would want my money to investigate, construct, maintain or organize Texasâ€™s eastern shore infrastructure.  Nor why a man that believes in the free market would want me to subsidize the shrimp industry.  Each and everyone of these earmarks is a state issue, and I think it is disingenuous for him to rail against a federal â€œcash cowâ€ while he suckles from its teat. 

My personal problem with earmarks isnâ€™t really about the money.  Itâ€™s about the fact that supporting local pet projects with federal funds is merely a way of keeping yourself in office.  Trust me when I tell you that his list of projects all but ensures that Galveston will vote Ron Paul.  Man, he hooked up Galveston.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. Ron Paul talks about small government and states issues...but at the end of the day, he has his hooves dipped just as deeply into the Federal pork bucket as anybody else.

I know you Ron-bots already have your pre-scripted spin to Dr. Paul&#039;s earmarks --- but that&#039;s all it is: spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other big problem with Dr. Paul is his hypocrisy on &#8220;big government&#8221; and &#8220;states issues&#8221;.</p>
<p>Dr. Paul says that he believes in &#8220;smaller government&#8221;, and that states issues should be left to the states.</p>
<p>Then why on Earth did Dr. Paul request 60+ earmarks totally more than $400m &#8230; most of which go towards propping up the Texas gulf coast and shrimping industry.</p>
<p>As an <a href="http://criminyjicket.wordpress.com/2007/07/08/ron-paul-releases-earmarks-information/" rel="nofollow">Indiana Libertarian</a> wrote:</p>
<p>.</p>
<blockquote><p>..[I] donâ€™t see why a libertarian would want my money to investigate, construct, maintain or organize Texasâ€™s eastern shore infrastructure.  Nor why a man that believes in the free market would want me to subsidize the shrimp industry.  Each and everyone of these earmarks is a state issue, and I think it is disingenuous for him to rail against a federal â€œcash cowâ€ while he suckles from its teat. </p>
<p>My personal problem with earmarks isnâ€™t really about the money.  Itâ€™s about the fact that supporting local pet projects with federal funds is merely a way of keeping yourself in office.  Trust me when I tell you that his list of projects all but ensures that Galveston will vote Ron Paul.  Man, he hooked up Galveston.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. Ron Paul talks about small government and states issues&#8230;but at the end of the day, he has his hooves dipped just as deeply into the Federal pork bucket as anybody else.</p>
<p>I know you Ron-bots already have your pre-scripted spin to Dr. Paul&#8217;s earmarks &#8212; but that&#8217;s all it is: spin.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be right, No2.  I don&#039;t know anything about his campaign finances and if what you say is correct, he should not accept them.

I don&#039;t agree with his position on Iraq either and I wouldn&#039;t vote for him. He can&#039;t win no matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right, No2.  I don&#8217;t know anything about his campaign finances and if what you say is correct, he should not accept them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with his position on Iraq either and I wouldn&#8217;t vote for him. He can&#8217;t win no matter.</p>
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