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		<title>By: Mer</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/02/barack-obama-muslim-summit/#comment-135762</link>
		<dc:creator>Mer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you people TALKING ABOUT??? What do you guys even know about Islam? Do you assume every one over there is a gun toting religious fanatic that hates peace and just wants every one who doesn&#039;t agree with them to die? That is not the truth!!! You are too scared and chauvinistic  to even admit that there are millions good people that just don&#039;t get heard over the crazy few. And just like you, they are controlled by generalizations and scare tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you people TALKING ABOUT??? What do you guys even know about Islam? Do you assume every one over there is a gun toting religious fanatic that hates peace and just wants every one who doesn&#8217;t agree with them to die? That is not the truth!!! You are too scared and chauvinistic  to even admit that there are millions good people that just don&#8217;t get heard over the crazy few. And just like you, they are controlled by generalizations and scare tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/02/barack-obama-muslim-summit/#comment-127454</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they could do some damage, but not a massacre.  OTH, they would be without fuel, power, bridges,  air space, you name it.  Hell, the city of Qom might disappear.
They have serious problems over there, and I think most of what they say and do is bluff and bluster out of insecurity.  While I view them as a threat, with serious designs on acquiring territory throughout the region, I don&#039;t view them as a serious military power.  If they try a swarm method, we will just break out the bug spray.  We would know before they did, though, as there are covert elements working in Iran with the dissident movements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they could do some damage, but not a massacre.  OTH, they would be without fuel, power, bridges,  air space, you name it.  Hell, the city of Qom might disappear.<br />
They have serious problems over there, and I think most of what they say and do is bluff and bluster out of insecurity.  While I view them as a threat, with serious designs on acquiring territory throughout the region, I don&#8217;t view them as a serious military power.  If they try a swarm method, we will just break out the bug spray.  We would know before they did, though, as there are covert elements working in Iran with the dissident movements.</p>
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		<title>By: Nazar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N2l, the Iranians are a lot smarter than you think. Plus, they&#039;re suicidal. They could easily use hundreds of decoy unarmed civilian airplanes so they could scream bloody murder when we shoot them down, and then get us with the real missiles. Also, I&#039;m pretty sure that rockets have a greater range than a few thousand yards. We wouldn&#039;t know what hits us.

Just imagine, a hundred missiles coming at one ship. There&#039;s no way you could get them all. With that being said, I&#039;ll let you have the last word on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N2l, the Iranians are a lot smarter than you think. Plus, they&#8217;re suicidal. They could easily use hundreds of decoy unarmed civilian airplanes so they could scream bloody murder when we shoot them down, and then get us with the real missiles. Also, I&#8217;m pretty sure that rockets have a greater range than a few thousand yards. We wouldn&#8217;t know what hits us.</p>
<p>Just imagine, a hundred missiles coming at one ship. There&#8217;s no way you could get them all. With that being said, I&#8217;ll let you have the last word on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/02/barack-obama-muslim-summit/#comment-127272</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good one from my favorite Iranian Expat writer.


&lt;blockquote&gt;As a group, Muslims are paranoid and suffer chronically from the disease of victimization. That is, they either victimize the helpless whenever and wherever they can, or scream murder against the strong. This mentality is one of the many bequests that Muhammad left for his Ummah.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=92&amp;Itemid=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amil Amani---Muslims Victim Mentality&lt;/a&gt;
Maybe that&#039;s why liberals have such difficulty grasping the clash with Islam, it&#039;s the shared victim mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good one from my favorite Iranian Expat writer.</p>
<blockquote><p>As a group, Muslims are paranoid and suffer chronically from the disease of victimization. That is, they either victimize the helpless whenever and wherever they can, or scream murder against the strong. This mentality is one of the many bequests that Muhammad left for his Ummah.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=92&amp;Itemid=2" rel="nofollow">Amil Amani&#8212;Muslims Victim Mentality</a><br />
Maybe that&#8217;s why liberals have such difficulty grasping the clash with Islam, it&#8217;s the shared victim mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/02/barack-obama-muslim-summit/#comment-127267</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree, Nazar.
You actually think that all those ideologues are going to continue an attack, when they see what is happening?
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c76_1200107941&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Like this?&lt;/a&gt;  The ranges that are called out are in the 6500yd category, but some are clearly closer.  Also, notice the new KE 5 inch rounds, which are also air bursting.  The boat doesn&#039;t need to be sunk for all hands on board to be dead, or scared shiiteless.  
The instant a mass attack is observed, there will be more Hell On Earth than the enemy could ever imagine, from the air, as well as from the fleet weapons systems.  In addition, the bases that they come from will be destroyed before any additional waves could be launched, as well as their missile launchers and runways, which are already known.  In addition to that, any attack on our fleet would result in attacks on other aspects of Iran&#039;s infrastructure which they cannot afford to lose.  Like their one big gas refinery on the southern coastal area.
I have more respect for the training and the systems in use, than the War Nerd does, they have much more discipline than he gives them credit for.
The Iranians will never attack our fleet, they may want those 72 goats, but most will be glad to wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree, Nazar.<br />
You actually think that all those ideologues are going to continue an attack, when they see what is happening?<br />
<a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c76_1200107941" rel="nofollow">Like this?</a>  The ranges that are called out are in the 6500yd category, but some are clearly closer.  Also, notice the new KE 5 inch rounds, which are also air bursting.  The boat doesn&#8217;t need to be sunk for all hands on board to be dead, or scared shiiteless.<br />
The instant a mass attack is observed, there will be more Hell On Earth than the enemy could ever imagine, from the air, as well as from the fleet weapons systems.  In addition, the bases that they come from will be destroyed before any additional waves could be launched, as well as their missile launchers and runways, which are already known.  In addition to that, any attack on our fleet would result in attacks on other aspects of Iran&#8217;s infrastructure which they cannot afford to lose.  Like their one big gas refinery on the southern coastal area.<br />
I have more respect for the training and the systems in use, than the War Nerd does, they have much more discipline than he gives them credit for.<br />
The Iranians will never attack our fleet, they may want those 72 goats, but most will be glad to wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Nazar</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/02/barack-obama-muslim-summit/#comment-127255</link>
		<dc:creator>Nazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N2l, there are still major flaws with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=15976&amp;IBLOCK_ID=35&amp;PAGE=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the gun system&lt;/a&gt;. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;See, the Navy brass always plans for a neat, clean hi-tech war. Their real investment isn&#039;t the Phalanx or Aegis but the operations rooms deep in the hulls where flabby desk jockeys sit at little screens. Those screens are supposed to show a few dots, nice fair-fighting Soviet surface ships and subs. That&#039;s how the Navy wants to play the game. Seeing their beautiful screens clogged up by a bunch of goddamn cheap speedboats full of Revolutionary Guards, not to mention hundreds of &quot;boxes&quot; that might turn out to be mines, ruins everything.

If they had any sense they&#039;d realize that the way to deal with big overloaded targets is to saturate their defenses with a swarm of low-cost attackers. If you&#039;ve got lives to spend, and the Iranians sure do, you spend lives to sink hardware. It&#039;s a good trade, when you consider what a carrier costs, and how little the average Iranian life is worth. They&#039;re Shia! These guys can&#039;t wait to give their lives away. The Kamikazes were squeamish moderates compared to the Revolutionary Guard. And thanks to Silicon Valley and its Chinese knockoffs, you can fire swarms of unmanned rockets instead of Shia martyrs, so you don&#039;t even need to spend one life per blip on the US fleet&#039;s little screens. You can even send empty rocket tubes as part of the swarm, because in the few seconds the surface vessel has to react, it can&#039;t determine which threats are nuke, which are conventional HE and which are decoys.

But the Phalanx was never meant to handle swarms of low-tech attackers. That&#039;s not the clean, temperate-zone war the computer dweebs in the Pentagon planned for. See, the original Phalanx only had 1000 rounds in its magazine. The newer models have 1.550, meaning even the USN realized that it was too easy to saturate the target with decoy attacks and deplete the magazine. But 1550 rounds isn&#039;t much at that rate of fire--and the Achilles heel of the system is reloading. It&#039;s not that easy to hoist 1550 20mm rounds into position, and I don&#039;t think either van Riper or the Iranians would be likely to agree to a 15-minute reloading break.

If it was me, and maybe I&#039;m too &quot;cynical&quot; or something, I&#039;d send all my empty missile tubes and expendable suicide squads in the first wave, all at once like van Riper did. I&#039;d count to 90, because 90 seconds would be enough to empty every Phalanx magazine--and you can bet that those scared Navy computer nerds down in the Operations Room would be holding the red buttons down till the barrels were melting when they realized they were under a real attack. Then, while the grunts below deck were hauling the ammo into position, I&#039;d send the second wave with the real stuff. And that, as they say, would be that. A trillion dollars of US Navy hardware becomes an artificial reef.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Believe me, the War Nerd knows his stuff. :)
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=15976&amp;IBLOCK_ID=35&amp;PAGE=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N2l, there are still major flaws with <a href="http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=15976&#038;IBLOCK_ID=35&#038;PAGE=1" rel="nofollow">the gun system</a>. </p>
<blockquote><p>See, the Navy brass always plans for a neat, clean hi-tech war. Their real investment isn&#8217;t the Phalanx or Aegis but the operations rooms deep in the hulls where flabby desk jockeys sit at little screens. Those screens are supposed to show a few dots, nice fair-fighting Soviet surface ships and subs. That&#8217;s how the Navy wants to play the game. Seeing their beautiful screens clogged up by a bunch of goddamn cheap speedboats full of Revolutionary Guards, not to mention hundreds of &#8220;boxes&#8221; that might turn out to be mines, ruins everything.</p>
<p>If they had any sense they&#8217;d realize that the way to deal with big overloaded targets is to saturate their defenses with a swarm of low-cost attackers. If you&#8217;ve got lives to spend, and the Iranians sure do, you spend lives to sink hardware. It&#8217;s a good trade, when you consider what a carrier costs, and how little the average Iranian life is worth. They&#8217;re Shia! These guys can&#8217;t wait to give their lives away. The Kamikazes were squeamish moderates compared to the Revolutionary Guard. And thanks to Silicon Valley and its Chinese knockoffs, you can fire swarms of unmanned rockets instead of Shia martyrs, so you don&#8217;t even need to spend one life per blip on the US fleet&#8217;s little screens. You can even send empty rocket tubes as part of the swarm, because in the few seconds the surface vessel has to react, it can&#8217;t determine which threats are nuke, which are conventional HE and which are decoys.</p>
<p>But the Phalanx was never meant to handle swarms of low-tech attackers. That&#8217;s not the clean, temperate-zone war the computer dweebs in the Pentagon planned for. See, the original Phalanx only had 1000 rounds in its magazine. The newer models have 1.550, meaning even the USN realized that it was too easy to saturate the target with decoy attacks and deplete the magazine. But 1550 rounds isn&#8217;t much at that rate of fire&#8211;and the Achilles heel of the system is reloading. It&#8217;s not that easy to hoist 1550 20mm rounds into position, and I don&#8217;t think either van Riper or the Iranians would be likely to agree to a 15-minute reloading break.</p>
<p>If it was me, and maybe I&#8217;m too &#8220;cynical&#8221; or something, I&#8217;d send all my empty missile tubes and expendable suicide squads in the first wave, all at once like van Riper did. I&#8217;d count to 90, because 90 seconds would be enough to empty every Phalanx magazine&#8211;and you can bet that those scared Navy computer nerds down in the Operations Room would be holding the red buttons down till the barrels were melting when they realized they were under a real attack. Then, while the grunts below deck were hauling the ammo into position, I&#8217;d send the second wave with the real stuff. And that, as they say, would be that. A trillion dollars of US Navy hardware becomes an artificial reef.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Believe me, the War Nerd knows his stuff. <img src='http://urbangrounds.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=15976&amp;IBLOCK_ID=35&amp;PAGE=1" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not to pile on but:  &quot;For myself, Iâ€™m not interested in what Muslim countries think of our President- I want him or her to pursue the policies that that protect us and further our own values.&quot; ....well that sure aint going to be a democrat. they are for driverâ€™s license for illegalâ€™s, open borders, amnesty, and all other forms of insanity. 

Obama is just another in a long line of sweet talking political empty suits. this problem has always existed and always will. as long as there is one Muslim and one infidel they will want to kill or convert them. when is the west going to get it straight, we either pull a Dresden and carpet bomb every city, hilltop, cave, and leave nothing over 2&quot; tall or this is just all academic jaw flapping and we will do it all over again and again. They will NEVER stop, it is their religion and culture. They are NOT like us and NEVER will be. They hate our ways and culture. 

Man how stupid are we to beleive obama can do anything about a problem that is thousands of years old? The west never stops amazing me how weak we have become. 50 years ago we would have loaded up the b-52&#039;s and not stopped until all bombs were gone.  

Obama is a complete joke, he is the most liberal guy in the senate by FAR. If the dems are so stupid as to elect him, wow stunning.!!! He voted for bill to prevent emergency care to infants who survived an abortion attempt while in the state senate of Illinois...that is not wacko left wing ideology, that is evil.! This guy is FAR worse than Hillary. In fact I can hardly think of a worse person to be president, and there are a lot of sorry empty suits up in Washington. That is impressive even for the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not to pile on but:  &#8220;For myself, Iâ€™m not interested in what Muslim countries think of our President- I want him or her to pursue the policies that that protect us and further our own values.&#8221; &#8230;.well that sure aint going to be a democrat. they are for driverâ€™s license for illegalâ€™s, open borders, amnesty, and all other forms of insanity. </p>
<p>Obama is just another in a long line of sweet talking political empty suits. this problem has always existed and always will. as long as there is one Muslim and one infidel they will want to kill or convert them. when is the west going to get it straight, we either pull a Dresden and carpet bomb every city, hilltop, cave, and leave nothing over 2&#8243; tall or this is just all academic jaw flapping and we will do it all over again and again. They will NEVER stop, it is their religion and culture. They are NOT like us and NEVER will be. They hate our ways and culture. </p>
<p>Man how stupid are we to beleive obama can do anything about a problem that is thousands of years old? The west never stops amazing me how weak we have become. 50 years ago we would have loaded up the b-52&#8242;s and not stopped until all bombs were gone.  </p>
<p>Obama is a complete joke, he is the most liberal guy in the senate by FAR. If the dems are so stupid as to elect him, wow stunning.!!! He voted for bill to prevent emergency care to infants who survived an abortion attempt while in the state senate of Illinois&#8230;that is not wacko left wing ideology, that is evil.! This guy is FAR worse than Hillary. In fact I can hardly think of a worse person to be president, and there are a lot of sorry empty suits up in Washington. That is impressive even for the left.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
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		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preston, you really do have a comprehension problem.  

Nazar, I still disagree as to what the outcome would be.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Phalanx Close-In Weapon System
The Close-In Weapon System, or Phalanx, is the Navyâ€™s most populous ship self-defense weapon against anti-ship cruise missiles. This system has been given a significant block upgrade to provide capability against small, fast, surface targets and increased effectiveness against new generation, anti-ship cruise missiles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phdnswc.navy.mil/Pages/What_We_Do/InServiceEngineering/GunWeaponSystems/Default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atcsd.com/site/content/view/26/41/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A.T.C. LRAD.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Norris prods his assistant to locate the baby noise on a laptop, then aims the device at me. At first, the noise is dreadful -- just primally wrong -- but not unbearable. I repeatedly tell Norris to crank it up (trying to approximate battle-strength volume, without the nausea), until the noise isn&#039;t so much a noise as an assault on my nervous system. I nearly fall down and, for some reason, my eyes hurt. When I bravely ask how high they&#039;d turned the dial, Norris laughs uproariously. &quot;That was nothing!&quot; he bellows.

&quot;That was about 1 percent of what an enemy would get. One percent!&quot; Two hours later, I can still feel the ache in the back of my head. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raven1.net/hssweapon.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sound as a weapon.&lt;/a&gt;
These systems are in use, as we were paying attention too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preston, you really do have a comprehension problem.  </p>
<p>Nazar, I still disagree as to what the outcome would be.</p>
<blockquote><p>Phalanx Close-In Weapon System<br />
The Close-In Weapon System, or Phalanx, is the Navyâ€™s most populous ship self-defense weapon against anti-ship cruise missiles. This system has been given a significant block upgrade to provide capability against small, fast, surface targets and increased effectiveness against new generation, anti-ship cruise missiles.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.phdnswc.navy.mil/Pages/What_We_Do/InServiceEngineering/GunWeaponSystems/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Source</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atcsd.com/site/content/view/26/41/" rel="nofollow">A.T.C. LRAD.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Norris prods his assistant to locate the baby noise on a laptop, then aims the device at me. At first, the noise is dreadful &#8212; just primally wrong &#8212; but not unbearable. I repeatedly tell Norris to crank it up (trying to approximate battle-strength volume, without the nausea), until the noise isn&#8217;t so much a noise as an assault on my nervous system. I nearly fall down and, for some reason, my eyes hurt. When I bravely ask how high they&#8217;d turned the dial, Norris laughs uproariously. &#8220;That was nothing!&#8221; he bellows.</p>
<p>&#8220;That was about 1 percent of what an enemy would get. One percent!&#8221; Two hours later, I can still feel the ache in the back of my head. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.raven1.net/hssweapon.htm" rel="nofollow">Sound as a weapon.</a><br />
These systems are in use, as we were paying attention too.</p>
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