Who’s trying to take Nugent’s guns?

Left by Preston on March 21st, 2008 at 12:10 am

Top Ten Anti-Gun Senators.
Top Ten Anti-Gun Representatives.
That’s who.

Left by no2liberals on March 21st, 2008 at 4:55 am

The Heller case will be landmark ruling as to the extent that our courts are willing to protect the second amendment.

If they allow DC to ban their citizens from owning guns, then it’s a very short and slippery slope to other state and local governments doing the same.

That’s who.

Left by Robbie Cooper on March 21st, 2008 at 8:15 am

So advocating gun owner licensingand handgun registration is equivalent to taking away guns?

Jeeze, what a bunch of drama queens.

Left by Preston on March 21st, 2008 at 8:19 am

Sigh.

Except the DC Gun ban doesn’t even allow for lawful licensing and registration.

It bans guns.

If SCOTUS uphold that, then why can’t other state and local governments do the same?

Left by Robbie Cooper on March 21st, 2008 at 8:49 am

Jeeze, what a bunch of drama queens.

That’s us, drama queens and gun kings!

Protecting liberals so they can shoot themselves in the foot anytime they like!

Left by BBB on March 21st, 2008 at 10:16 am

Preston, since the Ottoman Empire first instituted gun registration, they, and every country that copied their method, followed that with confiscation. It seems an innocuous first step, harmless even, but it only serves to identify the gun owners, and what they have. That’s why those of us that value our freedoms are so adamant about no registration.
I thought everyone knew that by now, but apparently not.

‘‘Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.’’
— Mahatma Ghandi, “Gandhi, An Autobiography”, page 446

‘‘Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State.’’
— Heinrich Himmler

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out-right ban, picking up every one of them… ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.”
- Senator Dianne Feinstein, “60 Minutes”, 2/5/95

Left by no2liberals on March 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm

If you think that America’s shotguns and Saturday Night Specials are truly going to protect us from a tyrannical government you are living in a fantasyland.

If I were you I would put my faith in the First Amendment, not the Second.

Left by Preston on March 21st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

You still don’t get it Preston, it must be willful.
The Second Amendment makes all the others possible.

Left by no2liberals on March 21st, 2008 at 6:26 pm

Just wanted to leave a quick note to say thanks for the link. Looks like Preston there is trying to start a fight, that’s not why I posted the Nugent thing in the first place. I posted it in the hope that others might see the simple truth of what he said. Too bad Preston can’t see it.

Left by Ted Bronson on March 21st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Well, I would call it a debate, not a fight. But in any case it simply strikes me as ironic that Nugent so utterly misses the forest for the trees. A free country is one with an intact right of habeas corpus and protection against unlawful search and seizure among other restrictions against a totalitarian government. These are the actual threats to freedom today.

I say all this as a supporter of hunters and their rights to own guns.

Left by Preston on March 21st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

The Second Amendment ain’t about duck hunting.
The greatest threat to our freedoms today are the Marxist policies promoted by the American Left.

Left by no2liberals on March 21st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

Uh yeah.

Left by Preston on March 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

So, No2, if you are sincere in this statement can I trust that you will be taking up arms against the United States of America if, say, universal health care is passed?

Left by Preston on March 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

So Preston, after all the times we have discussed this issue, all the info that has been presented to you, your only response is to be a smart ass.
Show me where health care, commie or free market, is included in the Constitution as a God given right.
If any in the Bill of Rights are taken away illegally by government, then they all can, and most likely would, go. Which is why the donks lead the attacks on gun rights, the second amendment prevents them from completely subverting the constitution, and the restrictions it places on government. And I don’t include habeas corpus for goat raping terrorists in those rights.

Left by no2liberals on March 21st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

Which is why the donks lead the attacks on gun rights, the second amendment prevents them from completely subverting the constitution

You know, when I 10 or 11 I had fantasies like re-enacting the movie Red Dawn, too: just me and my .22 rifle defending the US from a Soviet invasion. The fact that you still think that you and your buddies could defeat the United States Army would be sort of childishly sweet in its delusion if it weren’t driven by such paranoia.

Several months ago you pulled out an example from 60 years ago to illustrate how the Second Amendment had protected the rights of some Americans. The First, Fourth, Fifth , and Fourteenth Amendments do that much work before breakfast. These are the true protections against tyranny in this country.

Regarding Health Care: it doesn’t have to be a right in the Constitution for Congress to pass laws enabling it. Family and Medical Leave , for instance, isn’t a Constitutional right- Congress and the President simply decided that it was good for American families and American business.

Left by Preston on March 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 am

You will never get it, I’m convinced.
An unarmed citizenry will not stop crime, it will only serve to give the government unrestrained power.
You can call it paranoia since you don’t get the big picture, but for those of us who actually care about our Constitutional rights, not just the ones you pick and chose, and think are important, the Bill of Rights is a package deal, if one goes, they all go.

Left by no2liberals on March 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 am

As for being childish, your description of acting out movie fantasies is an excellent description of it. I never, not once in my life, ever play acted a war scene with a weapon, but I actually did prepare for war, and was involved in an actual shooting conflict, where people were being killed.
So while you have a little boy’s view of gun ownership, I don’t, and I understand what you clearly never will, that it is a right that should be guarded jealously.
If it ever came to an actual armed conflict with our military, first of all, you assume that all the members of the military would do what the government told them. I know that would never happen, and a large number of them would join the forces of freedom first, and not an tyrannical government. Secondly, if it came to that, I would join the fight. I have many of the same weapons they do, particularly the ones BJ Clinton wanted banned, so ammo supply would be my only concern. Would I die to defend this country from tyranny? Absolutely, I have already taken that oath, and put my butt on the line.
Unlike you.
As for commie health care in this country, I don’t believe it will ever happen, but if it did come up, I would do everything I could to derail it. I would never support or participate in it. I think it is more likely that those countries with failing commie health care will revert to a free market system.

Left by no2liberals on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 am

Preston — I’m not really worried about ever needing my guns to stop the tyranny of government.

I am worried about needing my guns to protect my home, family, and self from anybody wishing to harm or deprive me of any.

Do you really not believe that a man has ever right to defend himself, his home, or his family? Do you not believe he has the right to defend his own life with as much violent force as necessary to do so?

Do you really think the government should be able to tell free men when, how, or if they can protect themselves?

That’s my fundamental argument, and the one that Ted Nugent was making.

Left by Robbie Cooper on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 am

Robbie-

Sure, people have the right to defend themselves and the government has the right to put reasonable restrictions on the 2nd Amendment just as it puts reasonable restrictions on the 1st Amendment.

My point is simply that there is little actual fear of anyone taking away Nugent’s guns although many of us might question why the right to own copkiller bullets, for instance, is so jealously guarded.

Left by Preston on March 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 pm

What exactly is a “cop killer” bullet?

Left by no2liberals on March 22nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm

I believe it refers to teflon coated bullets, the purpose of which is to minimize diminished accuracy/effectiveness of the ammunition after it has been fired through a hard surface, such as wood, glass, etc. The “copkiller” part comes from the ammo type’s increased ability to penetrate body armor.

But don’t quote me on any of this.

Left by John Jarzemsky on March 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 pm

I won’t, John, because it was a trick question.
The name came as a result of a politically motivated news report, years after the bullet had been discontinued, a bullet made for police use only.
Here is a pdf, check page 422.
Congressman Biaggi(D-NY) was one of the one’s pushing the ban on the “cop-killer” bullet, he was very corrupt.

Biaggi was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison and fined $500,000 for accepting an illegal gratuity and obstructing justice in 1987. He had accepted free vacations from former Brooklyn Democratic leader Meade Esposito in exchange for using his influence to help a ship-repair company that was a major client of Esposito’s insurance agency.[1] The House Ethics Committee recommended that Biaggi be expelled — the most severe of penalties.

In 1988, Biaggi was forced to resign his seat after he was convicted a second time in federal court of 15 felony counts for obstruction of justice and accepting illegal gratuities, stemming from Biaggi’s acceptance of bribes in exchange for federal construction contracts in the so-called Wedtech scandal.[2] He was an unsuccessful candidate in 1992 for nomination to the 103rd Congress.

Source.
What were his crimes?

Good intentions, however, are rarely enough, especially when billions of dollars in contracts are being awarded free from the pressures of competitive bidding. Corruption has dogged the two primary federal set-aside programs: a Government-wide $3 billion effort run by the Small Business Administration, and the requirement that 10% of all highway funds ($1.2 billion) go to minority contractors. The most frequent problems are false-front companies, which are purportedly controlled by minorities but actually owned by whites. A federally funded 1986 study of highway set-aside programs in nine states by Abt Associates, a consulting firm, estimates that about 20% of minority contractors engage in fraudulent activities. Now the SBA is mired in the worst scandal in the history of the set-aside programs: the tangle of bribery, theft and political favoritism surrounding the Wedtech Corp., a Bronx, N.Y., defense supplier once hailed as a model minority contractor.
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Prosecutors claim that Biaggi received $3.6 million in Wedtech stock after threatening to undermine the SBA’s support for the company. Among those indicted was a former SBA regional administrator who is alleged to have approved a sham arrangement masking the fact that Wedtech no longer had majority Hispanic ownership. “If Wedtech was the proverbial American success story,” said U.S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani, “these charges raise serious questions about the way we practice politics and conduct business in the city, state and nation.”

Source.
Chuckie Schumer took Biaggi’s place, and continued the “cop killer” bullet nonsense for a little while longer.

Left by no2liberals on March 22nd, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Preston i am a small town boy, at only 18 i know and feel the same about the gun control issue as NO2LIBERALS. I can guarantee that more people would rise against the Tyrant government then people who would just lay down there arms.

Left by CSAwillriseagain on April 14th, 2008 at 11:10 am

[Editor --- Comment deleted by Robbie. Just because you are a dickfuck, and just because it's my blog and I don't have to post your ridiculous shit on my dime.]

Left by haha on October 31st, 2008 at 11:06 pm