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	<title>Comments on: Stop Loss &#8212; Another Anti-War Film Flops</title>
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	<description>Sometimes the truth hurts</description>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-142296</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What most of you apologists for the stop-loss policy fail to grasp is the effect INVOLUNTARY retention has on a unit. The vast majority of people in America will never have to endure involuntary retention, let alone in an organization they vowed to fight for and defend. You will never really understand the effect that the policy has, from an equality standpoint, on personnel that are subjected to it. As an individual subjected to such a policy, why should I be forced to remain in this organization when someone whose enlistment termination date falls 1 week, 1 month, or 2 months before our unit&#039;s deployment orders are issued, gets to go home, or to college, or to a cushy new job? There is inequality in this policy as it is applied that is beguiling to me and will never be addressed by the chain of command.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What most of you apologists for the stop-loss policy fail to grasp is the effect INVOLUNTARY retention has on a unit. The vast majority of people in America will never have to endure involuntary retention, let alone in an organization they vowed to fight for and defend. You will never really understand the effect that the policy has, from an equality standpoint, on personnel that are subjected to it. As an individual subjected to such a policy, why should I be forced to remain in this organization when someone whose enlistment termination date falls 1 week, 1 month, or 2 months before our unit&#8217;s deployment orders are issued, gets to go home, or to college, or to a cushy new job? There is inequality in this policy as it is applied that is beguiling to me and will never be addressed by the chain of command.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-138218</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah,   I&#039;m sure the details of the Stop-Loss Program were addressed in all the recruits contracts but that doesn&#039;t make it fair.  They did their time.  What about all the lames that have never even been in the military.  When are they going to step up?  If we are short on troops that bad, we need to try something else.  Having dedicated military troops being forced to re-enlist is not the answer.

Later,
Mark C.

P.S.  and Yes, I have done 6 years in the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,   I&#8217;m sure the details of the Stop-Loss Program were addressed in all the recruits contracts but that doesn&#8217;t make it fair.  They did their time.  What about all the lames that have never even been in the military.  When are they going to step up?  If we are short on troops that bad, we need to try something else.  Having dedicated military troops being forced to re-enlist is not the answer.</p>
<p>Later,<br />
Mark C.</p>
<p>P.S.  and Yes, I have done 6 years in the military.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-134178</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is about Hollyweird and it&#039;s distorted view of America, here is an excellent link about celebrities and the President of Venezuela, Mini-Me.


&lt;blockquote&gt;So why, despite his atrocious human rights record, does Chavez enjoy the support of high-profile actors and activists?

What tickles Penn and his ilk is that Chavez is the world&#039;s most visible opponent of the United States and the U.S. government. Many foreign leaders differ with President Bush, but none of these leaders openly use profane and scatological language. In this, Chavez is identical to his cheerleaders. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343350,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hollywood A-Listers Prove Ignorance in Supporting Hugo Chavez.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is about Hollyweird and it&#8217;s distorted view of America, here is an excellent link about celebrities and the President of Venezuela, Mini-Me.</p>
<blockquote><p>So why, despite his atrocious human rights record, does Chavez enjoy the support of high-profile actors and activists?</p>
<p>What tickles Penn and his ilk is that Chavez is the world&#8217;s most visible opponent of the United States and the U.S. government. Many foreign leaders differ with President Bush, but none of these leaders openly use profane and scatological language. In this, Chavez is identical to his cheerleaders. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343350,00.html" rel="nofollow">Hollywood A-Listers Prove Ignorance in Supporting Hugo Chavez.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-134175</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoken like a true &lt;em&gt;sheepdog&lt;/em&gt;, Mark, well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken like a true <em>sheepdog</em>, Mark, well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rayfield</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-134171</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Rayfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every veteran understands full well that, before he raised his right hand and swore to defend his nation, he signed a blank check payable to the United States of America, for any amount up to, and including, his life.   Please donâ€™t trivialize the honorable intentions, courage, and patriotism of our troops, making them sound as though theyâ€™ve been misled,  are naive, or stupid.   Some tours are difficult, even for those who are sure  â€œWhen itâ€™s too tough for everyone else, itâ€™s just fine for me!â€.   God knows, someone must stand to defend othersâ€¦ even those who write left-leaning fairytalesâ€¦</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every veteran understands full well that, before he raised his right hand and swore to defend his nation, he signed a blank check payable to the United States of America, for any amount up to, and including, his life.   Please donâ€™t trivialize the honorable intentions, courage, and patriotism of our troops, making them sound as though theyâ€™ve been misled,  are naive, or stupid.   Some tours are difficult, even for those who are sure  â€œWhen itâ€™s too tough for everyone else, itâ€™s just fine for me!â€.   God knows, someone must stand to defend othersâ€¦ even those who write left-leaning fairytalesâ€¦</p>
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		<title>By: John Jarzemsky</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-134169</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jarzemsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I volunteered as a runner for the South by Southwest Film Festival this year, and &quot;Stop-Loss&quot; was one of the flicks I had to deliver, by hand, to the Paramount theatre (it came in two heavy metal reel containers).

I can&#039;t believe I had to lug that piece of shit up eight flights of stairs.

Oh, and when it was delivered to our receiving center, it had a fake name on it. We had to consult some files to figure out what movie it was, which led my buddy and superior to sarcastically remark: &quot;of course, EVERYONE wants to pirate this movie&quot;.

Bah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I volunteered as a runner for the South by Southwest Film Festival this year, and &#8220;Stop-Loss&#8221; was one of the flicks I had to deliver, by hand, to the Paramount theatre (it came in two heavy metal reel containers).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I had to lug that piece of shit up eight flights of stairs.</p>
<p>Oh, and when it was delivered to our receiving center, it had a fake name on it. We had to consult some files to figure out what movie it was, which led my buddy and superior to sarcastically remark: &#8220;of course, EVERYONE wants to pirate this movie&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bah.</p>
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		<title>By: Americaneocon</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-134167</link>
		<dc:creator>Americaneocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urban Grounds: I was looking for exactly a military position like this on the stop-loss policy, and you&#039;re on my blogroll, just to let you know I dig you blog, but you&#039;re off a bit in the analysis.

I saw the move Friday. It is anti-war, which I don&#039;t like. However, it&#039;s not, &quot;poorly produced, poorly acted, poorly directed, and very poorly written.&quot;

There&#039;s some power in this movie, which is worth seeing and evaluating. In addition to the gritty realism of the battles scenes, the movie&#039;s well-acted, particulary as seen in Ryan Phillippe&#039;s Staff Sgt. King. In Phillippe&#039;s hands, King comes off as a vigorous all-America fighter, in Iraq and on the streets back home, where his realizes his personal beliefs have been betrayed.

I disagree with those beliefs, which is that the Pentagon&#039;s stop-loss policy is tantamount to a &quot;backdoor draft,&quot; and that&#039;s the major problem with this movie (and where I can understand Little Green Footballs dismissal of the film), and that&#039;s where I appreciate your input on the policy:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29428&amp;only

We have an all-volunteer service, so when young Americans sign up to fight they go on the basis of choice and volition. Contractually, soldiers can be recalled to battle, and to be shocked, as Phillippe&#039;s King is when told he&#039;s returning to Iraq, is disingenuous, if not outright storytelling fraud.

Sure, families have been hit hard by the separations, the battle injuries, and the war dead. But the the consequences of joining the service are known in advance. Soldiers are not victims, no matter how hard the anitwar left tries to make us believe.

Thanks for the &quot;inside intell&quot; on soldiers&#039; knowledge of the policy. But there some elements that work against the antiwar message of the movie. The film&#039;s opening scene of Phillippe&#039;s unit manning a road checkpoint in Tikrit provides some of the most compelling cinematic footage of urban, house-to-house combat since &quot;Black Hawk Down.&quot; Everyday American couch-potatoes need to see these images, they need to see what modern warfare looks like, and particularly the nihilism of our enemies, who take refuge in civilian quaters, and use old men, women, and children as human shields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urban Grounds: I was looking for exactly a military position like this on the stop-loss policy, and you&#8217;re on my blogroll, just to let you know I dig you blog, but you&#8217;re off a bit in the analysis.</p>
<p>I saw the move Friday. It is anti-war, which I don&#8217;t like. However, it&#8217;s not, &#8220;poorly produced, poorly acted, poorly directed, and very poorly written.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some power in this movie, which is worth seeing and evaluating. In addition to the gritty realism of the battles scenes, the movie&#8217;s well-acted, particulary as seen in Ryan Phillippe&#8217;s Staff Sgt. King. In Phillippe&#8217;s hands, King comes off as a vigorous all-America fighter, in Iraq and on the streets back home, where his realizes his personal beliefs have been betrayed.</p>
<p>I disagree with those beliefs, which is that the Pentagon&#8217;s stop-loss policy is tantamount to a &#8220;backdoor draft,&#8221; and that&#8217;s the major problem with this movie (and where I can understand Little Green Footballs dismissal of the film), and that&#8217;s where I appreciate your input on the policy:</p>
<p><a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29428&#038;only" rel="nofollow">http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29428&#038;only</a></p>
<p>We have an all-volunteer service, so when young Americans sign up to fight they go on the basis of choice and volition. Contractually, soldiers can be recalled to battle, and to be shocked, as Phillippe&#8217;s King is when told he&#8217;s returning to Iraq, is disingenuous, if not outright storytelling fraud.</p>
<p>Sure, families have been hit hard by the separations, the battle injuries, and the war dead. But the the consequences of joining the service are known in advance. Soldiers are not victims, no matter how hard the anitwar left tries to make us believe.</p>
<p>Thanks for the &#8220;inside intell&#8221; on soldiers&#8217; knowledge of the policy. But there some elements that work against the antiwar message of the movie. The film&#8217;s opening scene of Phillippe&#8217;s unit manning a road checkpoint in Tikrit provides some of the most compelling cinematic footage of urban, house-to-house combat since &#8220;Black Hawk Down.&#8221; Everyday American couch-potatoes need to see these images, they need to see what modern warfare looks like, and particularly the nihilism of our enemies, who take refuge in civilian quaters, and use old men, women, and children as human shields.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/03/stop-loss-flops/#comment-134163</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as they continue to make crap movies like this, and no one watches them, then the Hollyweird types that promote this view point are serving America well.
 
It is unfortunate that the movie makers have become so far left, and  that they can&#039;t understand (or wish too) why so many still believe in the basic concepts of our great nation, such as honor, courage, duty, and sacrifice, but rather view those values in our nation, and those who do believe in them as objects of scorn.
We need Joe McCarthy again, he was right about the commies in Hollywood.

Because of the stance Hollywood has taken in it&#039;s opposition to the country I love, I am now in my nineteenth year of boycotting the box office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as they continue to make crap movies like this, and no one watches them, then the Hollyweird types that promote this view point are serving America well.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that the movie makers have become so far left, and  that they can&#8217;t understand (or wish too) why so many still believe in the basic concepts of our great nation, such as honor, courage, duty, and sacrifice, but rather view those values in our nation, and those who do believe in them as objects of scorn.<br />
We need Joe McCarthy again, he was right about the commies in Hollywood.</p>
<p>Because of the stance Hollywood has taken in it&#8217;s opposition to the country I love, I am now in my nineteenth year of boycotting the box office.</p>
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