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UPDATE (June 25) — The comments section for this thread is closed. I have started a new open post for all DP-related comments. I’ll start a new post on Hood once a new date is set.

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For an excellent recap of what happened yesterday in Huntsville at the (delayed) execution of Charles Dean Hood, make sure to read Mike Graczyk’s article in the Houston Chronicle.

Here’s a time line of our day:

3:30 — arrive at the Victims Services Offices in Huntsville — Roger Williamson (son of Ron Williamson) and Julie Wallace (Big Sis) meet in person. I can’t say enough kind things about the staff of Victims Services; their professionalism, their dedication, and their compassion was exemplary.

4:45 — after being prepared for the execution process, leave Victims Services office for the short drive over to the Huntsville Unit (commonly referred to as the Walls Unit) where all death sentences are carried out in the death house.

The Walls Unit

(NOTE — in addition to the Death Chamber, the Walls Unit also houses up to 2800 inmates).

5:05 — a few minutes after we arrive at the walls unit, Warden C. Thomas O’Reilly meets us in the entrance where we are being checked in. He initially tells us that there has been a stay and that there will be no execution. He doesn’t know anything more at the moment.

5:35 — we are still waiting in the parking lot talking to our Victims Services representatives, when the director gets a call from inside the prison and walks off towards the front. A few minutes later, he comes back with the news that it wasn’t a stay, rather it that State District Judge Curt Henderson had rescinded the death warrant…but that the Colin County DA had appealed that decision to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals (CCA), claiming that Judge Henderson didn’t have that authority.

Victims Services tells us not to leave, that now there is a chance the execution could still be carried out.

6:30 — The Williamson family arrives back at the prison after being called back (they were already on the road back to Plano).

The Warden lets us know that the money is on the CCA siding with the judge rather than the DA.

Victims services tells us that — contrary to news reports — that Hood had already been put back on a van to the Polunsky Unit in Livingston, which had to do a u-turn to come back to the walls Unit.

I would have loved to see the look on Hood’s face when that van turned around. We were told that he was “visibly shaken” when he was put back in his cell in the death chamber.

You think?

9:00 — The warden comes back out to tell us that the CCA did in fact side with the Judge and had denied the DAs appeal. However, that was because the judge has inexplicably recused himself from the case and the CCA couldn’t force him to re-sign the death warrant.

However, the DA had filed another appeal asking the CCA to force the presiding judge to sing the warrant.

The Warden said that the DA was trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat, and they weren’t optimistic about him winning. And even if he did…the warden reminded us that there were still three issues pending in front of the SCOTUS that would have to be ruled on to clear the way for the execution.

Oh yeah, and this all has to happen no later than 11:15 p.m. as the warden needs at least 45 minutes to carry out all of the execution protocols.

9:26 — The warden is on his way back out to talk to myself and Julie (the Williamson family was already waiting inside). We’re expecting bad news. Instead he hurriedly tells us that the CCA has forced the judge to re-sign the death warrant and that we are now back on.

We rush into the prison, get cleared through security, and are taken to a waiting room over looking the death chamber — just in case SCOTUS rules quickly (on issues that had been before their court for at least a week).

11:00 — There is a lot of anxiousness in the room. And everybody seems to be holding up very well, but the stress and the length of the day is really showing on everybody. There is a television in the corner of the room and we’re all watching the Celtic demolish the Lakers. With just a few second to go in the game, the clock in the room has just ticked past 11:00 p.m. and somebody jokes that the supreme court justices must be watching the game and are waiting on it to be over before ruling.

11:03 — we get the call that SCOTUS has denied all three of Hoods claims. At this point the CCA and SCOTUS, the highest law in the state and in the country has cleared the path to execution.

We were right about the justices watching the game I think.

11:20 — everyone has been briefed and pat searched (you cannot take anything with you into the witness room) and the witnesses are all lead downstairs, through a long hall way to a door right outside of the death chamber.

Hood is supposed to be already strapped to a gurney with the IVs started when the witnesses enter the witness room.

However, this apparently didn’t happen in time.

There is a lot of speculation and wondering between the Victims Services guys, the officers from the Inspector Generals office, and the guards as to whether Hood has to be pronounced dead by midnight, or if the lethal dose simply has to be given by that time. An execution has never cut it this close to midnight before, so nobody knew the exact law.

11:35 — Warden O’Reilly informs Governor Rick Perry that he does not have enough time to carry out the protocol. Gov. Perry issues a one-time-only 30 day reprieve.

I’m not sure what this means — does it mean that the death warrant didn’t actually expire, and that a new date doesn’t have to automatically be requested and that instead a new date automatically is set for 30 days from now?

12:05 — We are finally escorted back out of the prison and to our cars.

3:17 — Arrive back in Austin.

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Big Sis is on a plane back to Michigan right now. She vows she’ll be back when the date is re-set. This was Hood’s fifth execution date.

Hood’s “final” meal was:

  • (2) 7 oz. steaks
  • (7) sunny side-up eggs
  • (1) bowl jalapeno peppers
  • (1) glass of ice
  • (4) milks
  • (1) pint vanilla ice cream

I hope he threw it up on when his van made the u-turn.

I also learned that all housing units in all Texas State penitentiaries do not have air conditioning or heating. That means that all this week when it was 101 degrees outside? It was almost that hot in their 10′ x 6′ concrete cells on death row.

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[...] The Tanooki wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerpt For an excellent recap of what happened yesterday in Huntsville at the (delayed) execution of Charles Dean Hood, make sure to read Mike Graczyk’s article in the Houston Chronicle. Here’s a time line of our day: 3:30 — arrive at the Victims Services Offices in Huntsville — Roger Williamson (son of Ron Williamson) and Julie Wallace (Big Sis) meet in person. I can’t say enough kind things about the staff of Victims Services; their professionalism, their dedication, and their compassion was exemp [...]

The Warden lets us know that the money is on the CCA siding with the judge rather than the DA.

This is what I don’t understand: If the judge’s action was illegal, why couldn’t the CCA declare it null and void, i.e., that it did not even occur and making it unnecessary to resign/resubmit the warrant?

Also, the USSC appeals were old issues (LI, jury instruction, & clemency) that should have been filed and rejected before the proverbial eleventh hour.

Since the CCA had an order out for the warrant to be submitted, not sure why they couldn’t have started the IVs in preparation.

I’m not sure what this means — does it mean that the death warrant didn’t actually expire, and that a new date doesn’t have to automatically be requested and that instead a new date automatically is set for 30 days from now?

Good question. I searched last night and this morning for the answer but did not find it. Mr. Garon could probably answer it.

That means that all this week when it was 101 degrees outside? It was almost that hot in their 10? x 6? concrete cells on death row.

Just preparation for the inevitable.

Boy, you must be tired.

The Warden lets us know that the money is on the CCA siding with the judge rather than the DA.

This is what I don’t understand: If the judge’s action was illegal, why couldn’t the CCA declare it null and void, i.e., that it did not even occur and making it unnecessary to resign/resubmit the warrant?

Also, the USSC appeals were old issues (LI, jury instruction, & clemency) that should have been filed and rejected before the proverbial eleventh hour. Since the CCA had an order out for the warrant to be submitted, not sure why they couldn’t have started the IVs in preparation.

I’m not sure what this means — does it mean that the death warrant didn’t actually expire, and that a new date doesn’t have to automatically be requested and that instead a new date automatically is set for 30 days from now?

Good question. I searched last night and this morning for the answer but did not find it. Mr. Garon could probably answer it.

That means that all this week when it was 101 degrees outside? It was almost that hot in their 10? x 6? concrete cells on death row.

Just preparation for the inevitable. :-)

Thank you for your words of wisdom Soldier{June18,2008,at 815am}

I never miss a chance to thank one of our Hero’s.

My heart goes out to the Williamson family, Big Sis, Kurt, and whom ever has been affected by this tragedy.

stay strong

This is what I don’t understand: If the judge’s action was illegal, why couldn’t the CCA declare it null and void, i.e., that it did not even occur and making it unnecessary to resign/resubmit the warrant?

I think it’s just a procedural thing. A court can always rescind a warrant that it itself issued. Once rescinded, it’s rescinded. A new warrant has to be issued.

The Court of Criminal Appeals can’t issue a death warrant - all it can do is order the trial court to do it. Since the judge recused himself (always a judge’s absolute right, for obvious ethical reasons), the CCA couldn’t order him to do anything. The wrangling was over whether another, unrelated judge, could issue the warrant.

I don’t think they’ve had this problem before so no procedures are in place to deal with it.

This is just my understanding. May be incorrect on one or more points. I dunno.

I already know what the judge did. That is not what I asked.

You asked why the Court of Criminal Appeals couldn’t declare it null and void. I answered.

They couldn’t declare it null and void because courts are allowed to rescind warrants that they themselves issued. The judge’s action wasn’t illegal. It was just unprecedented and unanticipated.

I am:

1. Assuming that the judge who rescinded the warrant is the now-sitting judge on the original sentencing court, and

2. Merely speculating / theorizing. I don’t know the exact legal answer. Seems like the courts had the same problem.

…not to mention, that concrete is going to elevate the temperature a few more degrees. And help it hand around a little longer in the evening.

Given that, and the infamous Texas ‘feels like’ temperatures, I can only hope he ate that entire bowl of jalapenos.

Thank you for your words of wisdom Soldier{June18,2008,at 815am}

I never miss a chance to thank one of our Hero’s.

My heart goes out to the Williamson family, Big Sis, Kurt, and whom ever has been affected by this tragedy.

stay strong

Left by Anonymous 2 on June 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

Anonymous, you and all who excercise your responsibility to express your perceptions as concisely as possible, regardless of status quo, are the true heroes of democracy. Soldiers are the keepers of the Republic, and as proud as I am to have stood among those, the virtues of the Republic could be debated endlessly.

But insofar as the individual named Hood ( not Mr. Hood ) is concerned, he was given boundless opportunity to make millions of decisions on countless occasions that would have left him anywhere but where he is. Let his life serve as an example of the perils of not trying your best to do the right thing. We all fall short, and one day the bill comes due.

To the family and friends, I am sorry for your loss… I hope you find a way… Take care of what you can still touch…

DallasMatt:

Thank you for again demonstrating that you don’t understand the legal issues involved. But, I really don’t need any more proof.

Thank you for again demonstrating that you don’t understand the legal issues involved. I really don’t need any more proof.

Um, anonymous keyboard warrior: You say I don’t understand the legal issues involved, yet the whole thing went down exactly as I described it. They didn’t vacate the rescission because they couldn’t. Instead they ordered another district court judge to reissue the death warrant.

What (precisely, please) do I not understand?

I feel sure that Charles Dean Hood was guilty of the murders and should be put to death. I hope that there will not be a retrial and that in 30 days he is set for execution again automatically. He was dating my niece at the time and he told her he thought he would just have to kill Williamson whom he called his father. My niece did testify at the trial. I sat thru most of the trial and there is no doubt in my mind that he killed both of them. Charles evidently was in love with Tracy because he mistakingly called my niece by her name after a kiss…. Wonder why he killed the two of them? I have my own ideas. I would hate to think she would have to testify again. I know this has certainly upset our family… I cannot imagine what the families of the victims and Hood’s family are going thru… I pray for everyone to have peace when and if this is finally over.

I hope that there will not be a retrial and that in 30 days he is set for execution again automatically

There won’t be a retrial. Nothing that happened in the last couple of days puts his conviction in jeopardy. It opens a small window for some more legal wrangling but I doubt anything will become of it.

Urbangrounds has it’s own Fansite.

Henh!
Ain’t DORS a sweet liar?
First she comes here and says, in her first paragraph:

I debated whether to waste my precious time and energy by daring to offer an opinion that would no doubt be wasted and inevitably ridiculed by a forum of ignorant, arrogant and (from what I can decipher) uneducated, close minded, dumb contributors.

Then she says to her adoring gaggle of goofy death row groupies:

i saw how they had attacked those who resist the death penalty, even stealing pictures and then mocking them by showing them out of context. Anyway, couldn’t help but have a rant at them and as expected when presented with challenges to their position they resorted to personal attacks and general immaturity.

Thank goodness this site exists, I hope people find it before theirs and allow it to inform their opinion. The anger, hate and macabre circus over there is sad and destructive.

A complete disconnect from reality, as most leftists, she comes in blazing with “personal attacks and general immaturity,” and in doing so, the desired response of responding in kind, is then turned around, only she has to lie by omission about her less than exemplary behavior.
Did I already say, What A Dingus?
Since she has clearly demonstrated she is a liar, and an opponent of justice, could she be lying about anything else? I would put heavy odds on it.

I entered this arena as an objective person open to both sides of the debate.

I’m not a ‘troll’ - actually I’m buff and pretty with a successful career and relationship so don’t project your stereotypes on me.

I thought that info was displaced and over the top when it was posted, now we know why.

Initially, she was ignored by everyone, which evidently angered her. , She made some comment about how she writes losers as part of her professional work but she is over at pto all giggly about writing her first 4 (!) murderers. She’s all so excited and tingly about it, too. So, don’t tell me scumpals aren’t mentally unstable.

And why do antis always have to post books and give us their entire life story? I had no idea what CW was talking about when she stated people were murdering some woman’s family members one by one and she herself was involved in important secret work defending the country and people were after her, too. WTF?

Well ain’t that just special…. fricking loony toons….. they can stay right there….

I want to say this…. Hood had tears when he found out at 1710 that his warrant was recinded and would be transfered back to livingston…. BUT… I’ll bet his ass puckered to the seat when they turned the van around and headed back……. for fact he was visually shaking and paced his cell, he may just go to sleep and feel no physical pain except for the IV start… but the roller coaster effect emotion has got to be getting to him otherwise would he pace in his cell…. since all his “fan club” seem to think he is “calm”.
Normally a death warrant is good for 24 hrs but the govenor extended it for a 30 day period so it would seem that anytime within that period they could say times up…… when that time comes I will be there….
It has been a long day and I am going to rest for tonight… Life continues… I have to go back to work tomorrow. Frankly I am tired of the “bickering” and may not say much… but I will be checking in… any updates i get I will pass along…..

everyone take care…..

Here’s more fruitcakes.

The nut is complaining that when she goes to death penalty forums and announces she is a scumpal of one of the murderers of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena and that he is a really really cool guy, she gets attacked by pros. She then proceeds to call Mr. Ertman worse than a murderer and then some and even takes cheap shots at the dead girls. I do intend to “revel” when they set a date and then execute her boytoy Cantu. Mark it on your calenders. I think all of Texas will be celebrating.

I was just thinking. Each summer, the blogger iowahawk has an on-line poll, to vote for Miss Hoosegow of the year. It only involves those arrested and jailed in Des Moine’s Polk County Jail, but is a cult favorite.
Maybe Robbie could have something similar, say Huntsville Homies, or Travis Tenants(as in Travis County), only using photos of newly incarcerated persons in the TDC.
Of course, writing such witty captions like iowahawk wouldn’t be easy.

She then proceeds to call Mr. Ertman worse than a murderer and then some and even takes cheap shots at the dead girls.

Yes, such realistic remarks of how there are people actually worse then the vile viocious murderers. In other words if you can’t support a murderer and befriend them you’re actually worse then they are.

This is by stormyweather. I forgot to put in my name.

The nut is complaining that when she goes to death penalty forums and announces she is a scumpal of one of the murderers of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena and that he is a really really cool guy, she gets attacked by pros.

Simple solution just don’t go to a death penalty forums or if she does don’t announce it. Seems pretty simple to me. I prefer the first solution.

Anonymous:
Your not wrong about that PTO forum.
Just been having a look and found a posting on Hoods execution. What a bunch of freaks and groupies they are.
Here are just a few comments after one of the nutters posted about Hoods execution.

Heres some of the post started by this one very disturbed individual.

“poppyfanta
good friend”

(Good friend….! Who the hell wants to be a good friend to multiple mudering rapist.)

“JoshiesMom
Moderator”
“Yes it is…it will be a very hard day for him and his family today. Our thoughts and prayers are with them.”

“happyEnd
Registered User”
“i am so sad about it. I think today the whole day of him. I can´t believe it”

See they are all sick twisted groupies. No mention that he killed 2 people. That site is really sick. Spend a few minutes there and it will leave you cold.

OMG !!!!!!!! i think i need a bleach shower after looking at that.
they really do worship sickos dont they.
im disgusted

why is it that most of these DR write a cretin sites are all women. Are they that desperate for a man and that insecure about their looks they have to find one who is desperate too, do they honestly think they would look twice at them if they were not on Death row? there are other pen pals they can write to perhaps lonely soldiers in Afghanistan who fight for their country who have little family or girlfriends they would appreciate a letter once in a while or is that too heroic for them!. I trailed unwittingly through some of these sites and came across a few gems I also(to my distress) read the site where some absolute dick head of a women thinks so highly of a rapist, cantu is it? reading on from the gut wrenching spew she typed out I then went on to research fully the crime her dream boat committed. I have to say I could only go half way before the tears got the better of me. Sickened is not a good enough word to express how i felt, she obviously fantasises about this man and has a weird sence of attraction to these sort of people there is a medical condition for it and a name. full points to anyone who can find it.

The crime reminds me of Huntley’s murderous antics his girlfriend hid his crime for as long as she could and still wanted to keep in contact with him. not so sure about now through i bet she has it cushy on the tax payers money change of name ectr. I have to say I think; although it may be happening already, people would be outraged at the writing of letters to these monsters there have been so many viscous murderous brutalities recently it worries me when were going to start to look at crime punishment more seriously do you all feel that the death penalty is a deterrent? more and more people are calling for it to be reinstated in britan.

good points about writing to soldiers….

as you said these freaks are sad, lonely and desperate.
maybe if they got out more instead of spending their days and nights posting sickophantic dribble about how great muderers and rapists are they might meet someone.

it is a shame the UK abolished the DP. look at how bad it is over there now. prisons are full, muderes walk free after a good talking to. its crazy.

god forbid anything happen to their looney club forum (hint hint)
would be a real shame if it were to be brought down by an avenger of justice.

with the election under way this will be a good time to petition for sites like these to be removed.

I’m not watching that POS on video.
He is not to be praised, or pitied, for the choices he made, and the choices he deprived others from making.
I’m sorry he was forced to eat mashed potatoes and English peas when he was a kid, or whatever it is he claims as an excuse for being a murderous bastard. Justice will be done, then the world will be rid of this oxygen thief, and will be a better place.

He does say some unintentional funny things:

1. When a condemned man is returned to Polunsky, he is not right in the head. [much easier to murder defenseless people than face one's own mortality]

2. They will have to carry him to the gurney because he will refuse to walk. [pussy]

why is it that most of these DR write a cretin sites are all women.

My opinion is that they are unable to have a real relationship with a man, so if they form a relationship with someone they don’t have to actually be with or live with they can make him into what they want him to be instead of seeing him for who actually is. Somehow I believe in their own mind they think they have made this thug into an actually “nice” person. I wonder what they’d do if this person somehow escaped or was for some reason let out?

she obviously fantasises about this man and has a weird sence of attraction to these sort of people there is a medical condition for it and a name. full points to anyone who can find it.

I don’t know the actual name but I would call it “I want to be a twisted weirdo disorder”.

They repeatedly describe him as “sweet.” If sweet is defined as raping girls and murdering people, then he is sweet.

Annonymous wrote: Sickened is not a good enough word to express how i felt, she obviously fantasises about this man and has a weird sence of attraction to these sort of people there is a medical condition for it and a name. full points to anyone who can find it.

It is called hybristophilia: a sexual perversion in which arousal is dependent on being with a man known to have committed a violent crime.

If these guys were on the outside, I’m sure they would have nothing to do with their scumpals.

There was a documentary on some of these women. One, a graduate of one of the Seven Sisters, began corresponding to an inmate, paid for lawyers, visited him, began supporting his daughter and raising her. Through her efforts he was paroled and he went to live with her in her upper middle class home. In a matter of weeks, he had purchased what could only be called a “pimp suit”, began hanging out in Harlem shooting craps on street corners, and staying out all night. What a surprise!

It is called hybristophilia: a sexual perversion in which arousal is dependent on being with a man known to have committed a violent crime.

I like my name better. “I want to be a twisted weirdo disorder”.

hahaha
lets just kill the site
i can feel a DOS attack coming on…..muhahahahaha

ya know.. I like your name better too.. it is easier to say and has a special ring to it when spoken. :)

Hi Stormy, long time no chat. :)

Hi Stormy, long time no chat.

Hello, whomever you are.

I think you’re all sickos! Seriously… Cheerleaders for lethal injection and the flighty “groupies” .

What happened on Tuesday defines cruel and unusual punishment. The mental stress it put on all those involved is disgusting. I say this not only for Mr Hood, but also his family and the victims family. I cannot even begin to imagine the emotional roller coaster they have been on.

Criminals should be punished for their actions, that is not a debatable topic. But, Capital punishment is outdated, barbaric, and only serves the purpose of creating more victims for blood justice. Trial by judge and jury, and if they are found guilty lock them up and throw away the key.. simple as that.

It’s disturbing when we as a society condone killing anyone. Killing is not right, either side of the fence. My heart goes out to all the families involved.

It’s disturbing when we as a society condone killing anyone. Killing is not right, either side of the fence. My heart goes out to all the families involved.

When you go to a prison and condemn murderers for what they did to the victims and their families then come back and preach to people who support the dp.

What happened on Tuesday defines cruel and unusual punishment. The mental stress it put on all those involved is disgusting. I say this not only for Mr Hood, but also his family and the victims family. I cannot even begin to imagine the emotional roller coaster they have been on.

I for one could care less what Mr. Hood went through. He murdered two people. I have some sympathy to his family but he caused the whole thing. I’ll bet you anything that the victim’s family still want him executed in spite of going through that.

Stormy, I’m not preaching to anyone.. Just simply stating my opinion.. Which will be pulled and picked apart and that’s just fine. I have no intention of “preaching” so I can revert anyone to see my way.. See you for example.. your head is too far up your own ass to even glance at anyone else’s point but your own.
I’m in no way demeaning the crime committed, I just do not personally support the death penalty as the answer.

What happened on Tuesday defines cruel and unusual punishment.

No, it doesn’t. Cruel and unusual has a specific legal definition. The fact that Hood soiled his jeans several times is neither cruel nor unusual.

I must confess, I am also one of Charle’s pen pals. I do think death row inamates have rights also. They also should be able to communicate with the outside world. After reading Mr. Hood’s letter claiming his innocents. I decided to return him the favour. I have been writting to Mr. Hood for the last month. I have sent him many calm letters with Tracie’s picture attach to every letter just to remind him why he is were he desrves to be. I also like to remind him of the mountain of evidendce pilled up against him and try to persuade him to confess. I tell him just how easy he’s had it in the last 18 years because if I was Warden at his prison he would be getting the Guantanamo treatment. And water boarding would be a daily ritual. I also tell him that he should drop all of his appeals and take his medicine like a good little boy. I try to confort him by telling him that the leathal Inj is quick and painless and he is getting off lightly. I must admit I lie to Charlie “like any other tipical Pen pal” and tell him that I am a 15 year old girl, hopping that he would reply but he never does I’m devestated.

Be My Pen Pal,

Now that is funny , great post.

Anonymous is so quick to call everyone a liar, yet he makes crap up as he goes along. For your information Texas inmates do not wear jeans (EVER)..

hmm R U taking the p##s be my pen pal ? just checking

Okay, he soiled his diaper. Happy now?

your head is too far up your own ass to even glance at anyone else’s point but your own.

So where is you head up some inmate’s ass?

The fact that Hood soiled his jeans several times is neither cruel nor unusual.

That had to rate a 12 on the Sphincter Scale. I just hope that with that bowl full of jalapeños that he got his first taste of the “ring of fire” that he will be going to.

Is there a chance that Chuckie Scumbag can be scheduled for execution before the 30-day period is up. I ask because when the US Supreme Court ruled to continue lethal injection, there was a 30 day window and all executions began after that 30 day time period.

Is there a chance that Chuckie Scumbag can be scheduled for execution before the 30-day period is up.

No. The death warrant is for a specific date and if that date comes and goes without the execution taking place, the warrant expires and a new execution date must be set & new death warrant issued.

Texas law requires that when a court sets an execution date, the date must be no earlier than 31 days from the date the order is entered.

The court usually sets the execution date after a motion from the prosecution requesting it be set. No such motion has been filed (as of 2 minutes ago), so the execution is at least 31 days away, probably more like a couple months.

Editing to add:

The prosecution had better hope the deal with the judge and prosecutor’s alleged affair doesn’t gain any traction. If they were having an affair, there will be a retrial. That’s not a technicality - it is a fundamental right to have an unbiased judge. The cost of that impropriety: Another 10+ years of life for the defendant.

This what I got today………

The challenge raising the affair issue was dismissed as a subsequent application.

He also sought to file a lethal injection claim.

The Fifth Circuit also denied the clemency claim.

The affair thing was denied by the CCA, but since the judge in question served on that court, there is certainly a question about their impartiality. The fifth circuit may have also denied it, but he could still take that issue to the Supreme Court.

Who knows what will happen, but given that he now has some maneuvering room, I would be surprised if there weren’t further delays. If he does manage to get a new trial, the whole thing starts over (all the appeals from the new trial) and they won’t juice him for at least 8-10 years.

true..

If we were interested in the views of the anti-death penalty legal blogs, we would go directly to their websites and read it there.

The mighty keyboard warrior is back!

Interestingly, in one of their motions, counsel for the defense admit they had insufficient proof of any improper relationship between the judge and the DA in order for the TCAA to grant the application for the writ of H.C.

There is actually ample evidence of the relationship but ‘proof’ is hard to come by unless you can get a court to allow discovery.

His motion was denied on procedural grounds (i.e., he should have filed it earlier), not on the merits. In fact, the Court of Criminal Appeals is prohibited by law from considering the merits of his claim.

Of course, the relationship alleged has nothing to do with his actual guilt or innocence. His bloody fingerprints would seal his fate in any retrial.

[Editor ---Matt, thanks for your input. I've enjoyed and appreciate your insight.

One thing I've been pondering in regards to the judge/DA alleged affair --- it seems that if there was any evidence or proof of an improper relationship between the Judge and the DA, or any hint of bias in any of their shared cases...well, it just seems that in the, what, hundreds?, of cases that they tried together, that at least one other defense lawyer would have appealed on this basis. And that somebody would have already done that discovery.

I mean, if it was as common knowledge as some are now making it appear. Why hasn't anybody else ever challenged it before if it was so obvious and there is so much evidence of it.]

One thing I’ve been pondering in regards to the judge/DA alleged affair — it seems that if there was any evidence or proof of an improper relationship between the Judge and the DA, or any hint of bias in any of their shared cases…well, it just seems that in the, what, hundreds?, of cases that they tried together, that at least one other defense lawyer would have appealed on this basis. And that somebody would have already done that discovery. I mean, if it was as common knowledge as some are now making it appear. Why hasn’t anybody else ever challenged it before if it was so obvious and there is so much evidence of it.]

Robbie -

Let me start by thanking you for providing this outlet for people to express their views and within the confines of civilized debate, disagree with each other. Many other boards would have banned me by now and I appreciate that you haven’t.

[rant]

As you may have guessed from previous posts of mine, I am in the ‘anti’ crowd, despite being VERY conservative. In fact, I am one of those conservatives that believes “the government” (which remember, is made of of the average everyday idiots you see around you) is capable of doing virtually nothing correctly, fairly or efficiently… which is precisely why I think it shouldn’t be involved in meting out death to members of its constituency.

I am in Dallas County, which holds the dubious distinction of having had a record number of completely, totally innocent people exonerated after many years of incarceration. I believe the juries that convicted them were convinced of their guilt. Yet they were wrong, as will be juries in the future. That is enough reason for me to join the ‘anti’ crowd. I know the majority of people on DR richly deserve what they have coming - I’m just unable to swallow throwing the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the small number we all know (but can’t pinpoint as individuals) who are innocent.

I think this ‘liberal’ streak of mine has roots in the fact that I was blamed and punished (by the nuns at my Catholic school) for a number of alleged childhood transgressions that I had nothing to do with. I was sort of a whipping boy. Twenty five years later I have a very strong revulsion at the idea of an innocent accused.

[/rant]

That said…

Yours is an excellent point that I hadn’t considered. I don’t have an answer and can only speculate.

I can say that Collin County (just north of Dallas County) is a pretty calm place and doesn’t account for many of the violent crimes committed in this state. In the face of overwhelming evidence of guilt and operating on a court-appointed attorney’s budget (which is pathetic compared to the resources the state can bring to bear), I can see an attorney not wanting to run down a rabbit hole he’s not going to be paid to pursue.

Perhaps only when the death penalty is involved and you are a pro-bono legal group anyway is such an avenue worth pursuing? I honestly don’t know.

Enough people have hinted at an affair (the judge’s ex-husband claims it is why he divorced her) that it’s worth looking into. It’s a shame it should even come up - particularly for the victims’ families. But they need to blame the judge and prosecutor - if the allegations are true, that’s where the blame lies.

[renewed rant]

The bottom line is that I believe government is inherently inept. This extends to the justice system. Respecting the rights of the accused, even when we’re “sure” they are guilty (as all convicting juries have, despite later being proven wrong as in Dallas) isn’t a “technicality”, it’s something we should all expect from the justice system.

Once again, I urge those who are rabidly ‘pro’ to go read John Grisham’s book The Innocent Man before putting too much trust in their justice system. This is a well researched book by a guy we all know isn’t an idiot, about a very sad story that I’m quite sure has turned out differently for less fortunate defendants.

[/renewed rant]

Be My Pen Pal,
*sniff* That’s so sad! It just shows what an uncaring monster he is, for not replying to your letters. I feel so badly for you!
/henh

Matt, I’ve read your posts, and I understand where you are coming from, but from my experiences, and the fact that not one person executed in Texas has ever been found to be innocent, after the fact, I am unmoved, and will remain permanently a staunch supporter of the death penalty.
I also live in Dallas County, and just got a jury duty notice today. My second in the past six months. The problem for me is, I spend the whole day there and never get chosen. The defense lawyers never want me sitting on their jury.

Matt, I’ve read your posts, and I understand where you are coming from, but from my experiences, and the fact that not one person executed in Texas has ever been found to be innocent, after the fact, I am unmoved, and will remain permanently a staunch supporter of the death penalty.

No2Liberals,

You are absolutely correct: Not one person executed in Texas has ever been found to be innocent.

That is because there aren’t enough [volunteer attorney and law student] resources to help those on death row, much less advocate for the dead. Furthermore, post-conviction DNA testing is only available to those who are still alive and then only in limited circumstances. Darlie Routier was just granted limited DNA testing on evidence from her trial. Why limited? Is it truth and justice we are seeking or simply convictions? Once someone is executed, the counties dispose of the testable evidence.

Given that so many convicted of violent crimes have been later exonerated, can you not accept the fact that at least some of those executed may have been innocent? The numbers don’t lie.

As I said, the vast majority are guilty as hell. If someone killed my wife, daughter, parents or friend, I’d want them dead, so I understand the sentiment.

But on the flip side, you know how corrupt prosecutors and police can be, right? We’re getting ready to take Henry Wade’s [former Dallas County D.A. of Roe v. Wade fame] name off of the juvenile justice center because of how many innocent people his office railroaded into convictions. These people are INNOCENT. These are real lives trashed and ruined. There were probably people put to death because of him but it cannot and never will be proven. Where is the justice in that?? I used to work in the same building as the semi-retired Henry Wade [before he died - Westgrove if his family happens to read this]. If I had less to lose, I’d have put a bullet in his head because he was such a useless, corrupt human being. There’s a little irony for you.

Anybody who believed these rumors could have:

1. Filed a complaint with the State Bar against the DA

2. Filed a complaint with the Judicial Counsel against the judge.

3. Filed a complaint with the USDOJ

But no one did.

The defense lawyers never want me sitting on their jury.

I can relate:

1. The defense lawyers don’t want me on the jury because I’m pro-justice.

2. The prosecution doesn’t want me because I won’t give any deference to police simply because they wear a badge. In fact, I’ll hold them to a higher standard because they are the government.

Anybody who believed these rumors could have

Not anyone: Anyone with standing. I couldn’t have.

There were probably people put to death because of him but it cannot and never will be proven. Where is the justice in that?? I used to work in the same building as the semi-retired Henry Wade [before he died - Westgrove if his family happens to read this]. If I had less to lose, I’d have put a bullet in his head because he was such a useless, corrupt human being. There’s a little irony for you.

Where’s the justice in you making allegations that you cannot ever prove and stating on the record you would murder the man? The only irony is that even though you claim to be an anti, you are always talking about wanting to execute and murder people.

I heard about Routier’s motion today. I think it would have to be limited, as the evidence was limited.
I was a police officer, years ago, so I know full well how worthless some officers and prosecutors are, but the vast majority aren’t, and coupled with the entire systems procedures, and never ending appeals and motions if one is given the death penalty, I believe the convicted have ample opportunities for the truth to be discerned.
To me, this alleged affair with the Judge and prosecutor is a Red Herring. Not only is there no proof, only here say, but is quite likely unprovable, and considering that this issue was first brought up in ‘04 or ‘05, it is a vacant argument.
Nothing that is man made is perfect, as we aren’t perfect creatures, but we have to be diligent in our judicial system, to offer as perfect justice as we can.

Not anyone: Anyone with standing. I couldn’t have.

Yes, anyone.

Great, I won’t have too watch CNN anymore, we got our own legal analyst analyzing the crap out of our justice system right here.

Please don’t lump me in with Oswald Bates.

Anonymous #1: Of course I can’t prove anything. But if x percentage of a prosecutor’s life sentences have been overturned, what do you suppose for his death sentences? Do you think it’s magically zero? The only reason you are willing to take that risk is because you’re not the poor schmuck on the other end of the needle. Pussy.

Even if I had the time, money and legal wherewithal, the evidence has been destroyed. The “irony” you pointed out is the irony I alluded to. You aren’t clever.

Anonymous #2: No, I couldn’t have. No horse in the race = no bitching about the outcome.

No2Liberals: Thank you for being civil (not that you ever aren’t, but it’s hard to come by).

What was limited was the testing, not the evidence. She requested DNA testing on a wide range of evidence that had blood on it. Only some of those items will be tested according to the ruling. It is a hard-to-follow ruling based on a law passed by the legislature. It concerns whether they were previously tested (in 1996 - when DNA testing was semi-sucky), whether she asked for them to be tested back then, and whether in the court’s opinion, DNA testing might help her. I say test it all. Again: justice, not a conviction.

Nothing that is man made is perfect, as we aren’t perfect creatures, but we have to be diligent in our judicial system, to offer as perfect justice as we can.

In my mind, given the fact that we know the justice system can’t be perfect, we should err in favor of the accused & possibly innocent.

It is cheaper to keep people in prison for life than it is to execute them. There are fewer ethical problems. They have a chance to prove their innocence. I just can’t see what the downside is.

Great, I won’t have too watch CNN anymore, we got our own legal analyst analyzing the crap out of our justice system right here.

I’m just equal time for you liberal police boot-lickers that think that government is infallible.

Oswald Bates:

1. You are truly a nut. First, your plan to execute anyone associated with a conviction that is later overturned. And, now your statement that you want to put a bullet in someone’s head for perceived wrongs that you have no prove of and can never prove. I’m starting to believe you may be the next candidate for death row with all your talk of killing people. Seek psychiatric help.

2. Anyone can file a complaint with the State Bar, Judicial Counsel, or DOJ. It’s not a fkn lawsuit. It’s a complaint to an agency. Once again, you demonstrate your habit of misusing and misapplying legal terms.

now your statement that you want to put a bullet in someone’s head for perceived wrongs that you have no prove of and can never prove. I’m starting to believe you may be the next candidate for death row with all your talk of killing people. Seek psychiatric help.

His “perceived wrongs” are well proven. The citizens of Dallas County will be paying for them for a long time. Have you not been watching the news?

Do you think a D.A. making up evidence, paying witnesses and suppressing exculpatory evidence is okay? Are you that addicted to the jackbooted-teat? You’re sick.

Matt,
I don’t believe there was much evidence in the Routier case. A small knife, a dead child, and a cut on her. I was disturbed by the nature of the crime, and her reactions. I still think she is bat-shit crazy, and most likely murdered her child, but I have no problem with all the evidence being examined thoroughly.
A more interesting case is the one in Plano, where that guy(can’t recall) that was convicted of abducting a child at a park, and then murdered her. He went to prison in 1996, but new DNA testing has shown he wasn’t the one.
About DNA testing. There was a serial rapist/murderer in Russia, and he carried on his activities for quite a while. He was even arrested at one point, and his DNA was taken, but it didn’t match the DNA in the semen. It wasn’t until later, when he was caught in the act of attempting another similar crime, that he was finally caught. The FBI even gave the Russian police some assistance. It was discovered, to everyone’s shock and surprise, that the criminal’s semen DNA and his mouth swab DNA were dissimilar. Yeah, roll that one around in the old noodle for a while. DNA testing has improved, but it is still fallible.

No2,

There was a long list of evidence at the Routier trial that she sought DNA testing on. She got like 50-60% approved for testing by the CCA. The order is at the CCA website here: http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/docketsearch.asp

You’ll just have to search for the past few days because it’s locking up on me.

In her case, I’m not sure. She was really weird. But they used stuff like her “silly string” birthday thing at the cemetery against her. Man, my mom just died (at a young 61yo) and we were all laughing and drinking the day after. Not really happy, but trying to forget. People deal with stuff in weird, unexpected ways.

I know the Plano case you’re talking about. A short little retarded-looking asian dude. Don’t remember his name. DNA cleared him.

On your point:” Well, look: If DNA is “infallible enough” to convict someone, it damn sure is “infallible enough” to clear them.

Why give it dissimilar weight based on who is presenting the evidence?

Oswald Bates:

His “perceived wrongs” are well proven.

Not according to you:

There were probably people put to death because of him but it cannot and never will be proven.

Of course I can’t prove anything.

You’re sick.

Says the man who has declared himself judge, jury, and executioner.

You’re sick. Says the man who has declared himself judge, jury, and executioner.

His wrongs are well-proven. Fourteen innocent people released from prison so far (and counting). That’s more than in the entire states of California and Florida. One county.

You took my disclaimer about one subject and applied it to my argument regarding another. You are an intellectual midget.

I said that based on those numbers, there were probably people put to death because of him. I followed up and said I couldn’t prove it.

Go read this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16710829/

Exonerated. Not guilty. Didn’t do it. 10 years in jail. The 12 year old boy who testified against him should spend at least 10 years in jail paying society back for his false testimony. After that, all of his earnings should be confiscated and sent to the man he lied on the stand about.

Where am I wrong, oh mighty keyboard warrior? Where?

Seriously, I’m confused. Maybe because my wife is out of town and I’ve had three glasses of wine tonight.

State and witnesses get it wrong and send someone to jail for life: Excusable.

Dude is in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets sent to jail for life: tough luck.

Which of these two groups (state and witnesses vs. poor dude) did the “worser” thing?

If you had a 20 year jail sentence to hand out - that you MUST hand out to someone in this case, which of the two would you give it to?

I get the feeling that most think that since the state and its witnesses are operating according to some sort of “procedure” that their transgressions are excusable. Am I correct?

“intellectual midget”??? I’ m 4ft 7 ins. tall and a member of MENSA. Am I insulted? Maybe a little. Did you hear about the abnormal midget? He was 6ft. 3ins. tall.

I’ m 4ft 7 ins. tall and a member of MENSA. Am I insulted? Maybe a little.

Maybe a little? Too damned bad. Get over it. If you’d like to live in a make-believe world move to Sweden and pay the taxes there. I promise they’ll treat you equally (when it comes to taxes). We represent the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild…

MENSA (and any other elitist organization) is for those with big minds and small penises - it is a compensation vehicle in the same way sports and muscle cars are. As for me, well, I’m as averagely-endowed as you are. I just don’t have an ax to grind about it. I’m big enough to please… me. LOL. My wife doesn’t complain and my daughter is proof that it works.

I recently saw a t-shirt that was hilarious. It had a line on the belly (at about 3-1/2′) that said “I’ve had it up to here with midgets”.

To Dullarse Matt. Stay off the whine.

Yeah, no schit. I’ve has wayyyy to much whine tonight.

To the families of the victims:

I am a member of Dean’s family. I am too young to remember Dean as he was before he went to prison, but this situation still affects me greatly. My heart goes out to the victim’s families. I cannot imagine what you guys must be going through. But I feel that it must be similar to what my family is going through. I know that many people think Dean is a killer – I cannot say if he is or isn’t because I wasn’t there, and I don’t know all of the details. I know that many people think that our family deserves this pain. I have also seen comments from people saying that we want him to die. I can assure you that is not the case.

I just want to say to the families that I am really sorry for all the pain you have gone through for 20 years, and for the rest of your lives. Because I know that even if Dean is killed, that pain won’t stop. Just like the pain of my family will never go away. I’m praying for everyone involved and I hope that someday you will find it in your heart to forgive Dean (if he truly did this). God bless you!

His wrongs are well-proven. Fourteen innocent people released from prison so far (and counting). That’s more than in the entire states of California and Florida. One county.

You took my disclaimer about one subject and applied it to my argument regarding another. You are an intellectual midget.

And you’re an idiot. No, his wrongs are not well proven. Apparently, doesn’t take much for you to demand someone be put to death. And don’t fool yourself as to why no one wants you on a jury. It would only takes one question on voir dire to identify you as the nut you really are.

Exonerated. Not guilty. Didn’t do it. 10 years in jail. The 12 year old boy who testified against him should spend at least 10 years in jail paying society back for his false testimony. After that, all of his earnings should be confiscated and sent to the man he lied on the stand about.

False testimony? Where’s your proof that he lied? He testified as to what happened to him and his perceptions. There was no doubt the boy was raped. At least you’re not demanding the kid be executed.

Where am I wrong, oh mighty keyboard warrior? Where?

When and where are you not wrong, psycho, is the better question.

I cannot say if he is or isn’t because I wasn’t there, and I don’t know all of the details.

Do you think pretending to be ignorant of the overwhelming evidence of his guilt makes you credible?

Breaking News…
Fox, ABC and CBS are in discussion with a new cable channel SatanicTV.
Head of SatanicTV “Beelzebub Bob” is offering live streaming of Charles Hoods eternity of suffering.
Beelzebub Bob released a statement earlier stating “Things are a bit tight right now what with the state of the economy and all. So after some discussion i thought what the hell (no pun intended) lets go cable !”
Unconfirmed reports from “insiders” also hint at the possible addition of interactive Hell TV allowing viewers to vote using their remotes from a variety of suitable punishments for the damned.

More to follow

Carlos De Luna, Rubin Cantu are two men that you can research on line and find that Texas does in fact execute innocent men!

One innocent person dying for something they didn’t do is enough for me to be anti death penalty.

Carlos De Luna, Rubin Cantu are two men that you can research on line and find that Texas does in fact execute innocent men!

I’m familiar with the cases, and no, they were not innocent — and neither is Hood.

“Things are a bit tight right now what with the state of the economy and all. So after some discussion i thought what the hell (no pun intended) lets go cable !”

LOL!

To SatanicTV.com
that had me on the floor in stitches man. You are one funny f*cker.
Keep up the good work.

Oh yes they were innocent, you’re familiar with your one sided “because they were convicted they must be guilty” mind set!

I hope for your sake you’re never fasley accused and convicted of a crime, and don’t say “it will never happen”. Because it does happen all too often!

Just ask any of the 13 men set free off of Illinois death row, after in some cases more than twenty years for crimes they had absolutely NOTHING to do with!

Oh yes they were innocent, you’re familiar with your one sided “because they were convicted they must be guilty” mind set!

No, I came to the conclusion they are guilty because I read the opinions and understand the standards the courts apply in reviewing appeals. Unlike, you antis, who look at a thug’s booking photo and decide he is too cute to be a murderer.

Fed up with quick executions? Feel like they got off easy?
Well not any more with the new interactive DVD from Hell Games Inc.
Special edition release coming soon staring Charles Hood.
Features include: Make Charles’s ass pucker
Scoop out his eyes with a blunt spoon
Testicle electrodes
oops the needle slipped
that wasn’t saline that was my urine sample
and many more
also for a limited time the bonus DVD where you get to juice him, revive him and juice him again !
Plus we’ve added “the gallows” “firing squad” and everyones favourite “old sparky”

available from all good dept stores as soon as he kicks the bucket

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

I hope this whole post is a joke. Otherwise you are a seriously disturbed person.

Yeah, I thought it may be a joke, too. For the record, Hood is guilty and has had excellent legal representation from trial onward.

Charles will be executed at some point in time…. sooner the better… any one who thinks 19 yrs is rushing it can kiss my ass…. The victims.. Ron and Tracie haven’t been able to breathe, eat, watch the sun rise and set, and all the other things in life. Its too bad that his murderous actions have caused so much pain and suffering for ALL involved. Like I have said before… I do have empathy for Hoods family, they don’t deserve the pain either, but Deans actions have had alot of repercussions, so WE ALL SUFFER.

i am most certainly not disturbed and do not appreciate being called a joke.
maybe if you spent some time reading the posts on PTO you would learn how much joy they bring to us.
from what charles has told me it is just so unfortunate that Ron was killed while he was driving his car.
its so sad that this was used against him and the travesty of a trial that followed should concern us all.
it is obvious that God is protecting his innocent son and saved him from being wrongfully killed.
The lord will protect the innocent and punish the wicked and the truth will prevail.

DallasMatt Ive just spent 15min reading your 23 plus posts that you left in the last 2 days.

1. what a party animal, buzz killer at a party
2. no clear direction, summarize
3. Do you work in the postal industry?
4. My 2 year old sister bables for hours about nothing also.

3. Do you work in the postal industry?
4. My 2 year old sister bables for hours about nothing also.

LOL genius…

5. Is actually Dors77 and maybe enjoy wearing dresses at the weekend?

dors77,

Do you honestly believe everything Charles tells you , he was convicted because he was driving Ron’s car when Ron was killed. This was used against him at the trial , get your head out of your butt ,
why was he in Indiana with Ron’s car , what about the bloody prints found all over the crime scene , the jewellery that he stole , the forged cheque , etc., etc.
Do you really think that the courts are that stupid , that they would send him to death without dealing with the evidence at hand , everything points to him being guilty.
Why did he leave Texas in such a hurry , why did he not go to the police and prove he was innocent , surely he would have had an alibi of some sort.
You PTO people that get off writing to murderers , who are your other pen pals , Charles Manson , Scott Peterson , too bad O.J. got off , you could have believed his bullshit also.

My favorite Dors77 phrase is freedom deprived persons .

Dors77 you are one of those annoying single minded freaks who spout crap with no understanding of the suffering they cause.
Do you really believe that someone like Hood should be allowed to live?
“Freedom deprived persons” what about life deprived persons aka the victims.
Why should youre scumbag penispal get to live when the victim doesn’t? Answer that you pious freak.
Oh and don’t bother with the “killing them will only cause more suffering” crap because thats rubbish.

Hi There,
Don’t know what is going on but there are posts on this thread that I didn’t submit. Somebody has adopted / used my username. Surely the site is regulated and this misrepresentation shouldn’t happen? While I am for the anti-death penalty sentiment of the posts I have never corresponded with Charles Dean Hood nor am I religious. I have no knowledge regarding his guilt or innocence but regardless I still oppose capital punishment and don’t believe he should be executed by an apparently civilised western nation. I would request that the owner of the site removes or amends the posts falsely submitted in my name.

In response to the comments on the posts I actually submitted on the 16th/17th I freely admitted to PTO that I was guilty of lowering my tone amidst this savage, irrational forum because I’ve seen how you have attacked previous posters and felt you should deal with someone who isn’t so easy to bully.

This site has misappropriated photos and used them out of context - I refer to the thread on ‘the faces of death row groupies’. I only informed you that I am attractive, happily attached (to a man who has never had so much as a parking ticket and fully supports me in opposing the death penalty and supporting the guys on DR!) with a great career to show that we don’t all fit the sad, lonely stereotype you are trying to promote of women who correspond with DR inmates. I’m not ‘tingly’ over them but I am respectful and compassionate. I became involved in this through my role as a producer in the entertainment industry but based on what I observed I am still writing them in that capacity and also in solidarity as an activist. Are you going to suggest that individuals like Sean Penn (who also writes DR inmates) suffer from a sexual perversion as well!

[Editor --- Yeah. I checked the IP addresses and the "other" Dors77 is using a different IP address, and in fact has used numerous aliases from that IP. I've changed the names from that IP address to "Not_Dors77" to clear it up.]

Are you going to suggest that individuals like Sean Penn (who also writes DR inmates) suffer from a sexual perversion as well!

Hahaha! Great choice! A couple of years ago, there was a letter written by Penn and published on the internet. The man is functionally illiterate. No joke.

Oh, I forgot: Penn is also an anti-American, terrorist loving, misogynistic, wife beating turd. And he suffers from a sexual perversion as well.

Anonymous,

I can assure you that Sean is a very articulate and erudite man who has achieved more success, respect and enligtenment in his life than you ever will.

I’m not going to get drawn into another futile slanging match with you. Only please do think and reflect before you actively endorse and encourage executions. Unless you can honestly say that police investigations are perfect and always identify the actual murderer or that the justice system has no flaws and never suffers from corruption then you shouldn’t assume the man facing death deserves his fate.

If nothing else assess your tone and hypocrisy in criticising their lack of respect for human life while you celebrate their impending executions with such zeal. I think your blood lust is the perversion here.

Also, I would never say ‘freedom deprived persons’ I agree that is a dumb expression.

I completely agree with you guys that criminals should be severely punished for their crimes, I just don’t agree that state sponsored murder is the solution.

Whoever owns this site please check the comments made lately against the originals on the 16th / 17th and you will see they are from a different person. I really don’t want to be associated with them!

Cupcake:

Once again, Penn is functionally illiterate and cavorts with terrorists. One thing I have never “achieved” is the act of beating my wives (I only have one) like Penn. He was convicted of physically abusing Madonna and unapologetically bragged about slapping Robin Penn around in a television interview. He is a vulgar little man. That you would admire and try to glom on to him, does not surprise anyone.

I suggest that you are the one who need to think and to stop pretending that these murderers you support are anything but guilty. You fool no one. Unless you state that the evidence of Hood’s guilt is overwhelming, you are just another truth challenged, thrill seeking, thug lover.

And you are the one who needs to assess their “tone.” I do not post on thug lover forums. However, you came here spoiling for a fight, were ignored, and became angry because you were ignored. Evidently, you have no respect for the lives of the innocent and you are willing to sacrifice their lives for the cheap thrill you get in writing murderers. Your lack of humanity and your nativete is the real perversion here.

To confirm, I had nothing to do with the following comments made on June 20th:

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

i am most certainly not disturbed and do not appreciate being called a joke.
maybe if you spent some time reading the posts on PTO you would learn how much joy they bring to us.
from what charles has told me it is just so unfortunate that Ron was killed while he was driving his car.
its so sad that this was used against him and the travesty of a trial that followed should concern us all.
it is obvious that God is protecting his innocent son and saved him from being wrongfully killed.
The lord will protect the innocent and punish the wicked and the truth will prevail.

My comments were made on the 16th/17th and today. Owner / administrator of the site can you please respond?

Also, I would never say ‘freedom deprived persons’ I agree that is a dumb expression.

Apparently, someone is doing a hilarious parody of you. And as with all parodies, it’s based on truth.

Anonymous, the high number of exonerations more than proves my point.

I’m not naive, I appreciate that amongst the innocent many are guilty - whether directly responsible or by association / enabling. But I still don’t believe that the state reserves the right to kill, however sanitized and rationalized you are still lowering yourselves to the brutal, sadistic act of the murderer. Unnecessary when life without parole is an option.

I agree that we can be too left wing on this issue. I couldn’t write to a serial killer, sex offender or somebody who had killed a child. The guys on DR I am in contact with made bad choices, most when they were just teenagers. Many had no criminal records prior to the incident and death resulted as a robbery gone awry etc rather than being pre-meditated. Some of them did get screwed over by co-defendants who plea bargained and walked off with life sentences despite being implicated for the same crime. I don’t believe these boys deserve to die. In several cases they could still be redeemed to offer something positive to society.

Anonymous, the high number of exonerations more than proves my point.

Uh, no it doesn’t. Since the death penalty was reinstated, no one innocent has been execute. What you weenies fail to understand is that appellate review is part of the process of finding a defendant guilty. Exoneration is not the same as factual innocence. DPIC shamelessly pads their stats counting those convictions overturned on technicalities including those where the defendant was retried, convicted, and sentenced to death a second time.

If you believed there are those who are guilty, you would not play this game where you choose to be ignorant of the facts of specific cases.

You don’t believe in death penalty, but we do. You have no say in our laws. Not now. Not ever. You also overlook that your solution of lwop will not stop murderers from murdering: they murder prison workers, inmates, order murders from prison, and escape and murder. But, you don’t care about innocent people, do you? Murderers’ live are more important to you than the innocent. And there has also been a number of recent studies that conclude that for every execution, an additional 3-18 murders are deterred.

I really don’t care why you write prisoners. That is between you and your psychiatrist. I will point out to you that calling what they did as merely “bad choices” is bullshit and offensive. And I frankly, I don’t believe a thing you say about their backgrounds and the facts of the case. Give us the names of your four boytoys. I have no doubt if I looked up the actual facts it would demonstrate that you are full of crap.

It is the fault of the prison if they are unable to do their job and provide adequate supervision for their inmates to ensure they do not reoffend while incarcerated. This is a pointless argument anyway as they are on DR for an average of at least 10 years where according to your argument they could be killing more people.

Sadly many innocent people have been executed - check out interviews with former wardens, guards and prosecutors who were once devotees of capital punishment and are now haunted by their service in your factories of death.

Just go through the DR lists for Texas and Mississippi and you will see he case files on several of the guys I am in contact with. It’s shocking how young they are. Of course I care about the victims I just don’t see how more murder honours them. By bad choices I am not trying to dismiss the terrible consequences of the actual crime they committed, more I am referring to the context - crowds they got in to, drugs etc and the role these factors played in their behaviour. These paths were often determined as a result of poverty and unstable parental influence. Is that really all their fault? I was lucky enough to be raised in a stable, loving family where I learned moral values. They weren’t. I certainly don’t condone what they did but they are not all ‘evil’. Compassion and understanding is surely the basis of humanity.

No, I can’t change your laws but Obama can so I am optimistic that you will catch up to the rest of the western world rather than sticking with the other nations that share your attitude to capital punishment like Iran and China. I’m sure Texas will be the last to fall though so this primitive, unnecessary slaughter will no doubt continue for some time. Shame on us all.

Prisons are doing their job to ensure that murderers do not reoffend: they execute them and it works like a charm.

No, no innocent person has been executed. And don’t give me this “you check out” crap. The only one new to this is you. That you can find a handful of people with buyers remorse, many who have been shown to be dishonest, is irrelevant. And if you want to play the number game – the vast majority of wardens, guards, and prosecutors have absolutely no regrets and sleep like babies each and every night.

Just go through the DR lists for Texas and Mississippi and you will see he case files on several of the guys I am in contact with. /em>

What a shock! You are going to play games. Give us the names. If you don’t it is because you were lying earlier about their crimes, history, and culpability. Not that I am surprised that you did. It’s typical anti behavior.

Again, you show how little you know about our laws and society: Obama can’t do shit about the death penalty. And Japan executed three murderers this week and I am more than happy to be lumped in with them. Regardless, the last thing Americans want to be part of are the euroweenies . I know it’s a shock to your egos but we relish in the thought of not being like you primitive people who have absolutely no concern with victims and who are responsible for wars and genocide and the deaths of over a hundred million people in the last century. Not shame on us all. Shame on you!

I’m not going to have a pointless debate based on your emotional, irrational arguments. Wardens and prison guards don’t sleep like babies - do some reading! It’s terrible what they have to endure as part of this awful system.

As per not revealing the names of the guys I correspond with, I wouldn’t betray their confidence and set them up for you to misrepresent. And to re-affirm my position is that regardless of what anybody has done the state still shouldn’t be playing God.

You’re right Europe has been responsible for much devastation but our attitude now is based on what we have learned from our mistakes and the history of our culture. I love America, I think it is amazing country but I don’t understand how such forward thinking people can cling to such old and barbaric traditions. Change is coming, the backing for the George Dubya’s is fading as political correctness takes over. Even Texas won’t be able to resist it.

Just go on that pathetic freak site PTO if you want to know who this obviously mentally unstable individual writes to.
They are so disgusting in their attachment to the dregs of society in turns your stomach.
One of the freaks actually thinks one convicted killer who brutally murdered a mother before turning on her child is innocent !
FFS the evidence was overwhelming. DNA, Fingerprint and Witnesses all proved it was him.
Guess what though….The freak counter is that he’s far to sweet to have done it.
Argggghhhhhhh

Wonder if Dors77 tells her husband everything? I know a friend of hers that told me that she has a reocuring dream about Charlie being set free and showing up at her front door, taking her to her bedroom and gives her a rim job.

If anyone is unfamiliar with the term “rim job” google

I am most certainly not disturbed and do not appreciate being called a joke.
maybe if you spent some time reading the posts on PTO you would learn how much joy they bring to us.

Okay you’re a ding-a-ling then. I’ve read some of the crap at PTO and it is more than I can take for two minutes. How to love a violent offender. Blah Blah Blah!

Penpals dream! What are you on? You don’t know even know me and a rim job is very specific thing to suggest, have you been hoping for one?

Stormyweather, as I’ve said I didn’t write the comments you are quoting.

Thanks to the editor for confirming that someone else took on my user name and made the posts dated the 20th. Can you all please stop quoting me now on statements I never made? I’m cool for you to attack me on my views but not on what someone pretending to be me has said.

You do some reading. It is evident that you have little knowledge about capital punishment. There is nothing irrational or emotional about my arguments. You want to avoid the specifics because you know it will be too easy to rebut your arguments. You refuse to post the names because you know what you said can be fact checked. There are no confidences to be betrayed. It is all a matter of public record. This is the internet – I can, and will, fact check your ass.

Again, you are the one who came to a pro forum in order to disrupt, patronize, condescend, and demonstrate total disregard to the families of the victims that read this blog.

You haven’t learned from your mistakes. You continue to put little to no value on the lives of the innocent. You’re like petulant children. And it is you who cling to your old and barbaric traditions – not us. The majority of Americans don’t give a damn if you love us or like us. I prefer that you fear us. Again, you demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of American laws and culture. We rail against political correctness. That you thing it is a good thing shows how ignorant you truly are. And apparently you haven’t heard about state ‘s rights, either.

But let’s get back to specifics: Either post the names of your scumpals or just fess up to lying.

Sorry Dors77 wrong pen pal

My Bad

First of all, all murder is killing, but not all killing is murder. State sanctioned executions are a killing, of those charged/adjudicated/convicted of capital crimes. That DORS and other death row groupies try and insist that executions are murder is perhaps the weakest spin I’ve ever encountered.
Now, Sean Penn…please! Isn’t there anyone or anything, human, animal, or mineral, that DORS could have offered as a better example of someone to admire or emulate? She must spend a great deal of time with high school dropouts to find Penn, a community college dropout, as intelligent and well-spoken. He’s a functionally illiterate, foul-mouthed, attention whore, whose greatest achievement was playing himself, an ignorant stoner, in Fast Times At Ridgemont High.
All the rest DORS posted is causing my eyes to glaze, but I would like to add, that yes, we do live in Texas, and Thank God for that fact. Based on many things I have seen, read, and citizens of Europe I have chatted with from Norway to Sardinia, there are many in Europe that are not pleased with the state of things, and wish for their government to do more about the rising violent crime rates, to include reinstating the death penalty. It’s the ultimate conceit, by DORS and her cronies, that their anti-capital punishment position is the superior one, and that the type of Europe they live in is the way everyone should. To that conceit and ego, I say the anti-DP types are severely limited in their perspectives. We execute those we find that have committed crimes that reach that level, and are adjudicated carefully and thoroughly, with the inmate afforded any and every opportunity to create doubt to his guilt, or prove his innocence. Those who commit crimes that do not meet the DP standard, are incarcerated. A state, such as England, that completely removes the DP from the equation, is sending a message to it’s criminal element that they need not fear the worst, if they are caught for their crimes.
In all of Europe, with the exception of some of the former Soviet satellite states, and Switzerland, I have no interest in ever visiting any of it’s countries. In fact, since I have traveled extensively in my younger years, it is my intention to only travel within the U.S. for the remainder of my days, and even then, I doubt I will see all there is to see. For those of us who are Texans, we are indeed fortunate, as God Blessed Texas With His Own Hand.

Oh, Dors, you posted on pto that you wrote 4 prisoner but haven’t heard from any of them. So, your lame excuse that you would be revealing confidences is a lie.

1. Sean Penn
2. Believing Obama has any power over capital punishment –federal or state.
3. Political correctness is good.
4. Doesn’t understand the concept of state’s rights.

Really, Dors, you’re not right about anything.

Dors: When you write your scumpals, offer to toss their salad. They’ll know what you mean.

Dang, I wish all of you anon’s would chose some kind of nic, so we could follow lines of thinking.
/just sayin’

Nobody fears the US! You are a joke to most of Europe, we, the British are the ones who stand up for you so stop being horrible. I respect America, I just don’t agree with capital punishment - separate the issues!

I’m not giving you names because it isn’t my place to expose them to this without their permission. I’m sure some of them will gladly have you check out their cases but I won’t release names until I have asked them. They don’t need to be misrepresented or exploited. I have received a response from the DR inmates I recently approached but prior to that I have been corresponding with and meeting several others in research and preparation for a feature film.

Sean Penn is an academy award nominated actor and a highly accomplished writer and director - illiterate?! I also love Michael Moore and have loads of respect for him.

I don’t think political correctness is always good, it can create more problems in its affirmative action but that is the philosophy thats spreading and change is inevitable.

I have no intention of causing further distress to the families of victims. I simply want to counterpoint and offer a more balanced perspective.

I’m not giving you names because it isn’t my place to expose them to this without their permission.

How can one expose public information? You got the names off the internet. You’re not giving us the names because you know it will be easy to show you were lying about their crimes and criminal history.

To you, political correctness is inevitable because, frankly, you are sheep. We are not.

In the UK, every time a muslim says boo! you bend over and grab your ankles. Just remember: We’ve had no terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11. And, yeah , you people fear us. Don’t mistake our tolerance for weakness.

The British don’t buckle to anyone and I can assure you that nobody fears the USA - check the press!

I agree with you about over sensitivity to muslims, that is a strong example of political correctness gone insane.

Oh, please! The Brits now buckle to everyone. You have managed to make the victims of crimes into criminals.

There is a new ad campaign in the UK by the American company, HJ Heinz. This video is not being shown in the U.S.

America has behaved in the same way with it’s muslims (open celebrations that were allowed on 9/11) and you have turned your victims into criminals as well - all aspects of living in democracies but we are going off topic… The British and US will always be allies so there is no point in turning on each other.

Some general cases you can explain to me as I don’t write them and they have made their perspective on their convictions public - Clinton Lee Young (evidence suggests he didn’t shoot anyone but was present), Thomas Whitaker (conspired to kill his family but didn’t pull the trigger, he got death, the shooter got life), the west Memphis 3 (DNA evidence so suggests these boys were innocent and convicted by the media due to their taste in heavy metal making them satanists, apparently).

Google up each states department of corrections with the inmates names, and you will find all of the info, including appeals.

Give me the names of the people you have written to so I and others can check what their crimes and criminal history were.

All, I’m saying is that it’s not a simple issue. Not everyone is rightly convicted, especially in the current climate of an oppressive media who pollute and pressure police investigations and contaminate trials. Not everyone who is guilty is necessarily a monster, some didn’t have a chance when society failed to protect them and they were raised by crack heads or worse, others made terrible mistakes in the heat of the moment and/or under the influence of more dominant personalities that they will never forgive themselves for. It is complex and not everyone on DR is ‘evil’ a word I hate to use because it takes the science and rational out of the equation.

Boy, you have a lame excuse for everything.

There is evil in this world, I’ve looked it in the eye.
As for all the hardships and misfortune the condemned may have had, there are many more who have had it as bad or worse, and never committed murder/s. They make a choice, they live with the consequences, and in Texas, they are and will remain, severe.

Liberals entertain the conceit that they are quite evolved and superior, both morally and intellectually. In their childlike minds, they are “good” and the people who set limits, demand accountability, expect empirical results, fight their enemies and also make judgments about what is good and bad and right and wrong are “bad.”

The Pathology of Liberalism.

Stormyweather, as I’ve said I didn’t write the comments you are quoting.

If you say you didn’t write it I believe you. I am responding, however, to whomever wrote it.

Thanks StormyWeather, I appreciate that and thanks to Robbie for clearing that up and allowing me to post and reflect my opinion.

As for No2Liberals I can see some of your points - yes, some offenders are just cruel but not all of them. I’m not pious, I don’t think I’m always right - I ask questions and I don’t rush to a conclusion. Being so judgemental is dangerous and closes you down to learning and evolving your opinions. You may end up knowing someone who makes a fateful decision and ends up on the road to DR, how will you feel then? Would you continue to deny their humanity, have no interest in understanding what led them there and countdown with glee until they get the needle?

u are all ignorant and uneducated sad freaks…….i really hope that all of the children you pop out into the world never ever put a foot wrong and end up on dr, because then you may look a bit silly for what you are saying on here…bless. And before you get to judge anyopne on the pto site, get to know something about them and the circumstances first. unlike you, they are human beings.

u are all ignorant and uneducated sad freaks

Says the person who writes like a six year old and thinks people end up on death row because they merely “put a foot wrong.”

I am not ignorant nor am I uneducated. So to sterotype those who are for the DP is as stupid as saying all killing is murder when in fact it is not…… ALL MURDER IS KILLING, BUT NOT ALL KILLING IS MURDER.
I refuse to let my sister and Rons MURDERS be shoved under the rug. All you anti idiots are so concerned about a pathetic pieces of humanity and how they are treated, you forget about the victims. They have no right to even be allowed to breathe in my opinion. And to say that 19 yrs is a rush to execute Hood is just rediculous, after all he has been able to “live” while the victims are buried 6 ft under.
We are ALL responsible for our actions, and to blame what happened while we are growing up as an excuse is just BULL SHIT. I will say that while growing up my life sucked, but I didn’t go out and kill anyone.
The courts will set another date and when the time comes I WILL BE THERE, I most definately will stand so I can look him in the eye.
His death will not bring my sister or Ron back, but to see his life taken from him as the victims were will mean to me that Justice has been served. After all when you murder, you don’t deserve to live, as it shows a disregard for human life.

Some general cases you can explain to me . . .

When No2Liberals recommended how you could find info for yourself, you ignored it and went on another one of your unsubstantiated fact challenged rants.

“Current climate of an oppressive media who pollute and pressure police investigations and contaminate trials”? Get real! Where do you find this crap? Once again you demonstrate how little you know.

And what are the names of your 4 penpals so we can demonstrate that you were lying about their crimes and criminal histories?

I have checked out all those cases, hence why I submitted them on here for you to defend the hypocrisy, corruption and tragedy.

There is also my friend Devin Bennett, a young man on Mississippi DR:

A letter has been e-mailed and sent via hard copies to MSNBC DATELINE, ABC 20/20 and PRIMETIME as well as the Washington Post, The New York Times and other major media.

Dr. Steven Hayne, a pathologist in the State of Mississippi who has testified at hundreds of trials claiming to be BOARD CERTIFIED. He is NOT. His erroneous testimony has sent many INNOCENT people to prison and some to DEATH ROW. Dr. Hayne has either FAILED and or WALKED OUT on the State Medical Examiner’s Exam several times. When Dr. Emily Ward brought Hayne’s ethics to light, she was ousted. She is now with the State of Alabama’s Medical Examiner’s office.

Special Thanks to Judi Hartwell for all the work she is doing to help Devin’s Voice be heard
***********************************************
The jury found Bennett guilty of capital murder and, on February 28, 2003, sentenced him to death. His post-trial “Motion for Judgment Notwithstanding the Verdict or, in the Alternative, for a New Trial” was denied on April 11, 2003.

***Bennett claims the trial court erred in refusing to accept his plea to the lesser included offense of heat of passion manslaughter. Bennett argues the court’s refusal was based on the erroneous belief that Bennett was required to admit each fact that the State proffered.

***The trial court gave Bennett every opportunity to meet the requirements for an acceptable guilty plea
during a hearing on February 13, 2003. After determining that Bennett understood the nature and consequences of pleading guilty to manslaughter and that he was waiving certain constitutional rights, the court read the guilty plea to Bennett. Bennett informed the court that he had read and signed the plea, which stated, “on or about August 25, 2000, you did kill Brandon Allen Bennett without malice in the heat of passion, but in a cruel or unusual manner and without authority of law and not in necessary self-defense, all of that occurring in Rankin County, Mississippi.” The court then recited the factual basis for the plea, which included language that the “defendant shook the baby and threw him to the floor.” At this point, Bennett informed the court that he disagreed with the factual basis for the plea. Bennett’s counsel clarified that Bennett would “admit he shook the baby, but not that he threw him to the floor.” The State objected, asserting that Brandon’s head injury - the cause of death - did not come from the shaking but rather from blunt force trauma. When the trial court attempted to resolve this discrepancy, Bennett maintained that he found Brandon on the floor not breathing, and all he did was pick him up and shake him to get him to start breathing.

***At this point, the trial judge informed the parties that he did not think he could accept the plea due to Bennett’s refusal to agree with the underlying factual basis. The trial court noted that what Bennett admitted was insufficient to convict him of the crime of heat of passion manslaughter. Following further discussion, Bennett asked to address the court and stated that he agreed to the terms. The court informed Bennett that he was to state exactly what he was agreeing that he did. Bennett then stated, “I shook my child.” Upon further questioning, Bennett again refused to admit that he threw the baby to the floor.

*******CONVICTION OF CAPITAL MURDER AND SENTENCE OF DEATH BY LETHAL INJECTION, AFFIRMED.******** =’(

I think the great Michael Moore should have the last word!

The Execution of Michael Moore

Dear friends,

This Wednesday, March 28, the state of Texas is planning to take the life of a man whose name is Michael Moore.

I am asking you to join me in one final plea to the governor of Texas, Rick Perry, to spare his life. All appeals have been exhausted and the only hope now is for the governor to intervene.

I abhor the death penalty. It is the ultimate act of evil. Not simply because it is the premeditated taking of a human life, but because it is an act of the State, a cold and calculated, sanctioned act done in your name and mine. It reduces all of us to the gutter level of the low-life scum who commit murder for revenge, greed, or fun. Actually, we’re worse. Because we, and our elected government, are supposed to be acting with a sense of moral purpose, to seek solutions to conflicts with a rational head, to be an example to our children and the rest of the world that there is a higher purpose to our lives.

Instead, because we detest killing, we kill. Because we think it is wrong to take another’s life, we take another’s life. We are clueless to the fact that we are the laughing stock of the rest of the civilized world (over 110 countries have outlawed the death penalty since we brought it back 20+ years ago). Yes, we have a right — a duty — to protect ourselves from those who would do us harm. That’s called locking them up, and in some cases, throwing away the key. If it’s punishment we are seeking, then, in addition to life sentences, have them perform functions in prison that benefit the society.

But if we simply want blood, well, I’m sorry, not on my dime and not on my hands. Feeding revenge can only create more sickness in our society. Isn’t it enough we have a quarter-billion guns in our homes to prove to the world the level of our unstable behavior?

I come from a state, Michigan, that in 1841 became the first English-speaking government in the world to abolish the death penalty. We are one of only ten states in America that refuse to participate in state-sanctioned murder. All attempts to introduce the death penalty in Michigan have been beaten down by overwhelming margins. Even the right-wingnut governor is anti-death penalty.

Earlier this year, the New York Times did a survey and found that the states that don’t have the death penalty have a LOWER murder rate than the states that have capital punishment. That’s right — in 8 of the 10 non-death-penalty states, not only are fewer people killed every year than in places like Texas (which executes its citizens with what seems to be a certain glee), but the murder rates in all 10 of these states have dropped significantly in the last 10 years. Those who say that the death penalty is a “deterrent” should ask why it is that in the kill-happy 40 states you have the greatest chance of losing your life to a murderer on the streets or in the home.

On top of all of this, it is chilling to think of how many innocent people we have put to death. The recent revelations across the country of death row inmates who were falsely convicted — 11 out of 22 in Illinois alone — should be reason enough for even those of you who are pro-death-penalty to stop these executions. Who wants to take the chance that even ONE innocent individual is put to death? Who can absolutely guarantee that every single one of the 3000+ people awaiting execution currently in the U.S. is absolutely guilty of his or her crime? If you can’t, then you must join with me in calling for a moratorium on the death penalty across the nation. There is no other way.

When I received an email from Michael’s relatives asking for my help, it was a bit weird and shocking to see a subject heading that read, “MICHAEL MOORE TO BE EXECUTED MARCH 28.” They asked that I help them stop his execution. I said I would. I do not care about Michael’s guilt or innocence as I write this. For all I know he’s guilty as guilty can be. But that is not the point. The point is that WE must not be the guilty ones in condoning the taking of HIS life. I realize this is a very long shot, stopping his execution. This new governor of Texas is cut from the same bloody cloth as his predecessor. It brought no solace in the campaign last year to see Bush’s opponent, Mr. Gore, enthusiastically endorse not only the death penalty, but Bush’s mass executions during his 6 years as governor. And we all remember an eager Bill Clinton who interrupted his 1992 campaign for president to rush back to Arkansas to preside over the execution of a retarded man.

No, I don’t have much hope. And it’s not just the politicians from the two sides of our one-party system. It’s the American people. Whereas on virtually every other issue — the environment, the need for labor unions, a woman’s right to choose, etcetera — every poll shows the majority of the American public taking the liberal/progressive position, it is on this one issue of the death penalty where the majority of Americans still sides with the right wing. But that support has dropped from 70% to 57% in the last two years. People are wising up to the randomness and injustice of this heinous act. Perhaps there’s some hope.

In the meantime, would you take a second and send a letter to Governor Perry on Michael Moore’s behalf. You can do so by clicking one of the URLs below, or by going to The Nation’s website, where they have a letter already prepared.

No human being should be killed in our name — or, in this case, with my name.

Thanks.

Once again you demonstrate how you afraid you are of facts. How do I know this? Because you do everything to avoid them. Case in point: You edited all of them out. Only a fool would believe a kid would get a skull fracture and subdural hematoma from “slipping out of his carseat” placed on the floor. You also skipped over that Bennett gave seven different versions of what happened to the baby.

Dors77 hates babies.

I think the great Michael Moore should have the last word!

Michael Moore? More proof that you are completely out of touch.

And, stop violating copyright laws by copying and pasting crap from the internet. Fair Comment does not allow you to copy and past whole articles. And please have the courtesy to provide links to our alleged sources. Plus, this is a comment section. Not a section for you to post your entire life story or whole article written by others.

Dev illustrates my point that young men who lack maturity can and do make terrible choices that don’t mean they are beyond redemption. He was a confused young dad struggling with his new baby. I’m not saying he is innocent but I don’t believe he should die. yes, he gave different versions - he was in shock!

He was never in trouble before this and he rushed the infant to the hospital, nobody blames himself more for the death of his son than Devin does. It was certainly not pre-meditated or intentional. You would still stick him with the needle before he turns 30 years old? He can’t be rehabilitated?

The Scott Peterson trial illustrates my point about the media, it was a circus. As was Damien Echols from the West Memphis 3.

Anyway, I don’t have time to post on this anymore. I’d rather write to my ’scumpals’ and fight for their lives. Michael Moore said everything I feel on the subject.

http://www.michaelmoore.com

Oh, and Haynes is board certified. However, the board that certified him has now ceased to exist. All experts submit their c.v.s to the defense who can cross examine them on it and the jury can determine how much weight to give the testimony.

Also, Ward, who was hired as a defense witness lost her job and blames Haynes for it. It was not as a result of her revealing anything. It is also clear that her testimony was bias and outside her scope as a a pathologist and witness when she attempted to explain away Bennett’s changing stories as a result of him being confused when in fact she had never examined Bennett.

Additionally, the state had two other medical experts testify as that the injuries were a result of blunt force trauma which couldn’t be caused by Bennett’s description of the events.

Dev illustrates my point that young men who lack maturity can and do make terrible choices that don’t mean they are beyond redemption.

Whether a defendant is beyond redemption is not your decision to make but the jury’s, who heard the evidence. And you have no idea of his mental state. It’s just another example of your willingness to lie if you think it helps your “cause.” The jury found premeditation when he shook the baby and slammed him down against the floor.

The Scott Peterson trial illustrates my point about the media, it was a circus. As was Damien Echols from the West Memphis 3.

Both Peterson and Echols received fair trials.

Their opinions [UrbanGrounds commenters] are all based on emotive, simplistic responses rather than considered arguments.

Translation: They are kicking my ass with facts and the correct statement of the law over there!

Another symptom of liberal pathology is a deep identification with “victims,” who to liberals are all women, all African-Americans, all Hispanics, all union members, and all denizens of Third World countries, as well as anyone else they perceive as being either “victimized” by big, bad corporate America or by those subscribing to conservative ideology.

This is because suffering, or perceived suffering, animates them, makes them feel useful, like saviors, and, of course, “good.”

Source.

In my last attempt to make you reflect - here are some cold facts for you - an innocent man murdered by the state -

Hope this wakes some of you up, I’m done with your drivel - as discussed, Michael Moore sums up my perspective.

This thread is about CHARLES D HOOD….. so why are all these others being discussed…. every case is different. Those of you who are anti DP write short stories for gosh sakes…. rambling on and on, and on…… try taking the COTTON OUT OF YOUR EARS AND STICKING IT IN YOUR GAPPING PIE HOLES.

Dors: I’m not going to respond to your stupid Chgo Trib article. Obviously, thuglove is your new hobby and you are unaware that the article has been posted many times before and discredited. Stick to Hood.

Michael Moore sums up my perspective.

You’re over 300 lbs, too???

Adios then, DORS. Don’t let the door hit you in your…drivel. Your attempts to cause reflection were outweighed by your inability to reflect. If you ever find the time, consider some ego-loss therapy, and addressing your self-imposed conceit that you occupy a morally and intellectually superior position. Your “friend,” as you put it, on death row, is indicative of your poor judgement. Those who value freedom, liberty, and justice, are far more discerning about the “friends” they chose in their personal lives.

“One of the uses of our system of justice is to warn others… We are reforming, not the hanged individual, but everyone else.”

“The art of policing is, in order not to punish often, to punish severely”

“Executing a murderer is the only way to adequately express our horror at the taking of an innocent life. Nothing else suffices. To equate the lives of killers with those of victims is the worst kind of moral equivalency. If capital punishment is state murder, then imprisonment is state kidnapping and restitution is state theft.”

If he who breaks the law is not punished, he who obeys it is cheated. This, and this alone, is why lawbreakers ought to be punished: to authenticate as good, and to encourage as useful, law-abiding behavior. The aim of criminal law cannot be correction or deterrence; it can only be the maintenance of the legal order.

“If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call.”

“If Capital Punishment is state sponsored murder, then any lesser punishment is a state sponsored murder of Justice.”

“It is Justice, not Laws that cures the society. And Capital Punishment is the only Justice that suits a murderer”

Well said bigsis! I read all the backwarding and forwarding of dors,anons, etc. and it don’t change a thing. Because when I look at that picture of Tracie I wonder how anyone could damage and destroy such a beautiful gift. Enough said.

Thank you Big Eric, sissy was a very beautiful person both inside and out. She is missed by our family and friends. All this bickering about other people needs to STOP, as it has gone out into “left field”.

u are all ignorant and uneducated sad freaks…….i really hope that all of the children you pop out into the world never ever put a foot wrong and end up on dr, because then you may look a bit silly for what you are saying on here…bless. And before you get to judge anyopne on the pto site, get to know something about them and the circumstances first. unlike you, they are human beings.

You act like murdering someone is the same as taking a wrong turn when you’re driving. Tell me ,who is your deathrow love?

Is there not sites for you’s to debate the DP other then here ???

Is there not sites for you’s to debate the DP other then here ???

Sure, but we can debate here too. If you don’t like it do read it.

Yep. If someone doesn’t like what they read, they should avert their eyes. Problem solved.

Hey, I don’t have a problem with what you write, but I really thought the heading of this blog was about Charles Hood, so what’s with the long-winded dribble you’s are carrying on with….

Hey, I don’t have a problem with what you write, but I really thought the heading of this blog was about Charles Hood, so what’s with the long-winded dribble you’s are carrying on with….

Yes it’s about Charles Hood and people are stating whether or not they think he should be executed. That’s a part of the discussion about him. Now what exactly is your problem? Also if Rob doesn’t think are long-winded dribble belongs here he can delete it. It is his board.

Hey all, Wow this is getting real nasty in here. Stormy Weather is starting to act like Anonymous a little.
Actually there are 12 States that do not have the Death Penalty and not 10.
Mr. Hood’s Attorneys have time to work on getting him a new trial now. They simply lucked out on the time frame. I’m sure that it was stalled on purpose by thay Judge who recused himself after reversing the Death Warrant on Mr. Hood. He knew that they would make him reinstate it, so it was a brilliant move on his part and bought Mr. Hood time to prepare for a new Trial.
I don’t see how they can avoid it now that it has come out. I know that he lost his appeals, but there is work to be done on his behalf. It should not matter how much time has gone by and If his Attorneys can pull off what they did on Tuesday, they can pull a rabbit out of a hat and get him a new Trial. I hate to say it, but I did warn everyone not to count their chickens. I have every reason to believe that he will be granted a new trial being that his first one was unfair.
They will bring out points of error on the frst trial not only with the affair, but with experts in handwriting and voice. It was not his blood on anything and there was no DNA testing done on Mr. Hood, but they did check his blood type and it did not match any blood prints anywhere in the house. He didn’t bleed. They woud also not test his hands for gun powder that would have put the gun in his hand.
They have at least a month and they will be busy day and night to make something happen.
Yes, the evidence will still be there, but in addition his defense team will have more to bring in to try to refute some of it. Well, gotta go now so whoever wants to blast me, I’ll respond tomorrow

There will be no new trial, and his one time reprieve by the Gov will soon be gone, as will Hood.

No, Stormyweather just understands how blogs work.

None of the DNA testing the defense requested was exculpatory. And the state won’t order it. Over the years, none of the innocence projects would pay for DNA testing either for the same reason.

Witnesses testified at trial that it was his voice on the 911 tape.

Hood left bloody prints – the prints were his.

Hood claims he did have a GSR test but you are claiming he didn’t. Either way, absence of GSR is merely proof of absence of GSR, not that someone did not fire a gun.

No macrame for the condemned.

Hahaha. Dors is complaining that Polunsky is inhumane because prisoners have : “No means of expression through group recreation or arts and crafts.”

thanks Tom.. you cleared that one up real well.. as usual

If you consider misstatements of facts and the law as clearing up, then, yeah, he cleared it up really good. LOL !

Anon, please stop cruising PTO for snippets of quotes you then show out of context.

I prefaced the sentence you have used by describing the insanitary conditions of constantly overflowing toilets, vermin infestation, inedible and contaminated food (rat parts found), improperly laundered sheets, towels and clothing that are issued stained with blood and faeces, total isolation (23 hours alone in a cell then an hour alone to ‘recreate’ in a cage), no psychological care, religious sessions, work programs (so they can serve the state while they are incarcerated) and not even arts and crafts for expression.

It would be illegal to accomodate animals like this. Madness is a huge problem in the notorious Polunsky unit. This mental deterioration as and the suicides that result from this all delay or prevent your precious executions. These conditions are used as severe and temporary punishment in most prisons. On Polunsky they permanently exist in this hell.

Whether you are pro or anti dp the fact is they have been sentenced to death, that is the price they are paying and they shouldn’t be tortured in such an illegal and inhumane way while they await execution.

Please back off PTO. I don’t want to return to this site. You really are vindictive, just let it go and stop stalking me - do you have no life of your own?

of course he has no life.. lol.. he’s on here 24/7.. this person cant even present him/herself with a name.. they have to hide behind “anonymous”.. and then attack everyone he disagrees with.. like I stated before.. he’s a COWARD..

Hey all, Wow this is getting real nasty in here. Stormy Weather is starting to act like Anonymous a little.

Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh. If what I wrote is getting nasty then what will you do when things really get heated. As for me starting to act like Anonymous thanks for the compliment.

Mr. Hood’s Attorneys have time to work on getting him a new trial now. They simply lucked out on the time frame.

Yep, 20 years is not nearly enough time. (sarcasm intended)

Actually there are 12 States that do not have the Death Penalty and not 10.

Actually there are 13. You forgot the recent state of New Jersey.

Dors: You back the fk up. You post here and then run back to pto and lie that you were abused and insult us. Let me guess where you got your info: from the murderers. The inmates deliberately overflow the toilets and they also wash the clothes. There is nothing unsanitary about stains on cloth. They are not staying at the Hilton. They are locked down because they are murderers and have been condemned to death. Yes, they have access to ministers and psychiatric care. No, they are not getting work programs because they are too fkn dangerous. As far as their arts and crafts – how do you explain all that crappy art work they produce and try to sell?

It was YOU who came here and then went running back to PTO to start threads denigrating UrbanGrounds and repeatedly insulting Robbie, and the other commenters. You’ve done this several times. Now you whine because you are getting criticized for it and for your crazy statements about murderers. Yes, I have a life. However, unlike yours it doesn’t include romanticizing murderers and trolling death rows for boyfriends.

As for me starting to act like Anonymous thanks for the compliment.

Right back atcha’ ;-)

Hmmm, the amount of time you seem to have been spending at PTO is suspect to me. I think you’ve been cruising for a pen pal - a John Wayne Gacy type sounds like he could turn you on!

I stayed out of here in recognition of the request from Big Sis. Please just let it go.

The Polunsky conditions are notorious, it goes beyond statements from inmates. There is photographic, video and witness testimony - the abuse is well documented. They are facing several investigations as a consequence of their unconstitutional policy. When they moved from the Ellis unit many of these conditions were said to be temporary - going on a decade now.

No, of course it isn’t the Hilton! But a prison should be sanitary, food should be nutritious and it’s preparation should be hygenic. Since they must use state issued clothing, bedding and towels they (the DR inmates do not launder their own supplies, they are not allowed jobs) these supplies should be as sterile as possible (blood and faeces are unacceptable and create a health risk).

They are only given psych care at their evaluation and they are not allowed to attend religious services. The art they produce is from paper and crayons they can buy in the commissary (if they have the funds). The sensory deprivation and isolation is defined as torture and reserved as severe, temporary punishment by other prisons. The inmates of Polunsky are denied the basic amenities offered on the majority of DR’s across the country - why?

Wait…DORS came back? Again?
She’s as good to her word as her beloved murderers.
I know who I can introduce DORS to, she will just love this guy, and he her. On second thought, he is just a multiple murderer, who will serve the remainder of his days in the Florence Supermax, so maybe he isn’t qualified for her special attention. He hasn’t been there long, after serving “supreme” punishment at Leavenworth Federal for about twenty years, locked in the basement, behind two doors, inside of a cage, with the lights on all the time, and no human contact. But now he has a website, and he is just pining for some gullible woman “humanitarian” to correspond with him, so he can tell them how good a person he really is, and how badly he has been treated, after all these years. Of course he claims he is not a bad person, but…..:

October 1983. Illinois. Aryan Brotherhood leader Thomas “Terrible Tommy” Silverstein (who had already murdered three inmates), obtained a knife with the help of other inmates at the federal prison at Marion and attacked guards escorting him to take a shower. He killed corrections officer Merle Eugene Clutts by stabbing him 40 times. Just a few hours after the first incident, another Aryan Brotherhood member, Clayton Fountain, did the exact same thing, stabbing three guards and killing one of them, Robert L. Hoffman.

Source.
Tommy has been considered “The Most Dangerous Prisoner In America,” and deservedly so, yet he still has his penpals. I think DORS could make a difference in his life…don’t y’all?

No2Liberals, that post is pathetic. I didn’t want to come back here but your fellow gimp, Anonymous decided to stalk me on his favourite website, PTO and misrepresent comments I had made.

Big Sis requested this thread not turn into a death penalty debate and remain focused on Charles. I am trying to respect that so stop baiting me.

I don’t care how you attempt to ridicule me (you only demonstrate what vindictive, sad little bitches you are). I do care about other human beings, even those who are condemned and I don’t believe a modern, democratic society and its prison systems (namely Polunsky) should be involved in denying the basic requirements for physical and mental survival.

and they are not allowed to attend religious services.

Maybe they should had worried about attending religious services before they murdered.

Big Sis requested this thread not turn into a death penalty debate and remain focused on Charles.

I haven’t seen Big Sis complain about anything we have written here.

It takes about 30 seconds or less to read pto. They are not the brightest or most literate group of nuts. Can’t say the same about the amount of time you spend on UrbanGrounds and running back to pto to post insults and lie about it.

As to john wayne gacy type, that describes the latest guy you are trying to hook up with. Don’t project.

And you let it go. You are the one who posts here, runs back to pto to insult people, and returns to post here again. I have never posted on pto and never will.

The inmates in Polunsky are notorious. And they have access to all sorts of legal groups to challenge the conditions if they were truly unconstitutional as you falsely assert. But, they are not.

The food is prepared by inmates. No one is starving. They all get fat and not of them have ever succumbed to malnutrition. Laundry is done by other prisoners not sentenced to death but who work at Polunsky. And how the hell does anyone know what causes a stain? So, your assertion that they are caused by blood and feces is more of your b.s.

They are proscribed psychotropic drugs, as needed, so yes, they receive psychiatric care. No, they don’t get to attend services because they are too fkn dangerous. Only a nut would care that they have an assortment of art media. And they have money because their family, friends, and scumpals send it to them. They are not tortured. Sheesh! You think everything is torture. And no, Polunsky is not worse than a lot of other prisons.

Yeah, No2Liberals, I held a shank to her head and forced Dors to return. I suspect Dors does fantasize about some AB prison gang member having his way with her.

DORS, I have seen how you have represented yourself at the other site and here, and concluded early on that you are an habitual liar. That you keep saying you are leaving, then return, is further evidence.
I don’t believe you actually care about others, either, I believe you are trying to satisfy some sick need of your own. The inmates in prison, regardless of status, have advocacy groups, lawyers, law students, and family they can rely on if their basic needs aren’t being met, so your involvement from afar is truly pathetic and pointless.
Invoking Big Sis’s perceived wishes on this thread is a sad attempt to tell me or anyone to shut up, and let you have the last word. Most of us here are in full support of Big Sis, and the criminal justice system, and are only helping in lifting the weight of having you and your fellow two percenters shout her and her family down for wanting justice.
I’m curious, what was so “pathetic” about my post on Terrible Tommy, that he isn’t a death row inmate and I offered him to you as a penpal, or that he has received such harsh treatment for being a murderous SOB? Or perhaps something else?

Anonymous(if that is your real name),
You may be right, an AB gang leader, with four murders to his credit, probably lots of tatts and scars, plus he has been without human companionship for about twenty-five years…sounds like a groupies romance novel.

Please! Stop trying to drag me down to your level. I have nothing but platonic relations with everyone I communicate with on DR, no sexual fantasies about violence for you to get excited about either. You just can’t deal with the fact that not everybody who cares about the humanity, fate and unfair treatment of DR inmates is a groupie seeking a husband. Many of them have been abandoned by their families, can’t afford decent defence and are isolated and alone. You seek to dismiss and undermine the credibility of those who oppose your view with tacky innuendo and pranks like ‘Tommy’. Maybe you should write him?

I recently shot a drama series on the military in Afghanistan and I am writing and sending cards of support to those boys as well - according to you that must be due to some sexual perversion as well!

There are legal actions being taken against Polunsky. Now with that said can we please just agree to disagree and stop wasting time trading insults?

Say Uncle, first!

You seek to dismiss and undermine the credibility of those who oppose your view.

HA!
Project much?

I don’t need to write Tommy, I am close personal friends with a man that testified against him in one of his many murders while he was in prison. My bud was a Captain at Leavenworth, and was the one who first told me of Terrible Tommy.
Really, DORS, Tommy is waiting to hear from you, he needs your advocacy so very badly.

By legal actions dors mean those five murders skipping a couple of meals and calling it a hunger strike.

By legal actions dors mean those five murderers skipping a couple of meals and calling it a hunger strike.

At least you are recognising that I am an advocate and not a hybristophiliac - some progress… I spent time here because I wanted to explore your perspective and present a balanced portrayal of the issues but you have just reinforced my position on the death penalty.

Michael Moore is spot on ‘It is the ultimate act of evil. The premeditated taking of a human life as an act of the State, a cold and calculated act that reduces all of us to the level of those who commit murder for revenge, greed, or fun. Actually, we’re worse. Because we are supposed to be acting with a sense of moral purpose, to seek solutions to conflicts with a rational head, to be an example to our children’

You lot are after revenge, not justice. The tone, content and blood lust you display exposes your true agenda.

Now get on with torturing your offenders until you can lynch em! Hopefully Robbie will blag his media accreditation and attend them all so he can describe the murders in lurid detail to add colour to your dull, bitter lives.

Advocate? No. Scumpal? Yes. And you didn’t come here to present a balanced portrayal of the issues. You don’t even know the issues. You came here to lecture and insult people and you clearly demonstrated you didn’t have a clue about the topic. You were ignored. But, you had to come back again just to see if by insulting people a second time, you could get a response and then run back to pto and post about it and insult UG some more.

Michael Moore is a fat ignorant greedy pig who will do anything for publicity and $$$. Again, that you think Moore and Penn are some type of cultural heroes to anyone means you’re nuts.

Lynching means taking a prisoner from lawful custody, which is the dream of you and the fellow scumpals.

Anon,
FYI Steve Woods was on hunger strike for 3 weeks and him, Justen and the others did a good job of attracting publicity to their cause. Texas is already the main target of the vast US and international opposition to the death penalty due to the conveyor belt of executions. These institutions and the great agencies that have been set up in Texas are all taking on Polunsky and the myriad of other irregularities in the Texan death machine.

It’s also positive to see that this is a minority extreme right wing nut blog in the Texan media, the others are all more balanced and way more intelligent. I know more about the issues concerning the DP than you ever will because I have opened my mind to hearing both sides of the story.

I posted on you at PTO because I was shocked by your attitude and felt supporters of DR inmates should be made aware of your presence given how you have stereotyped, insulted and misrepresented them.

stop. its getting wayyy out there guys..

FYI they were caught eating. Woods and Hall are murdering thugs. The only thing they are good at is murdering defenseless women. I wish that the mother of one of Woods victims comes here and tells you what this guy you admire so much is really like. The only publicity they attracted was from people making jokes about their hunger strike.

And nobody, Texas most of all, gives a shit about your imaginary vast opposition. If Texas was a conveyor belt it wouldn’t take an average of 11 years for murderers to receive the justice they so richly deserve. Every time the pro criminal groups take on Texas they lose. Unfortunately, Hood was not one of them, but there were two executions last week. So much for your vast opposition.

As usual, you are fooling yourself if you think UG reflects a minority view in Texas or the US. And you are fooling yourself even more if you think that you know any of the issues surrounding capital punishment. Like all euroweenies, you are both ignorant and arrogant.

You post about UG and us on pto and then you have the nerve to complain when we post about you and pto on UG. Scumpals are well aware of the general disdain they receive from society. They can get use to it or come to the light side.

I post on UG about you because I think you are an entertaining fool. Every pro board laughs about you. Even forums that are not dedicated to the DP laugh about pto and pto type forums.

I have never posted on pto and never will.

If you did you’d be banned. They are a “support” site. In other words they support thugs and thug huggers.

Steve doesn’t get a hot meal - he gets cold, inedible crap that is contaminated with rat parts and isn’t fit for human consumption - are you proud of your prison system? In the press/media coverage it is Texas, correction, the murderous twats in Texas like you that are mocked on a national level in the US and internationally for your ridiculous statistics on executions and the dubious legalities surrounding them. The major US cities like NY and LA especially chew you up in a very amusing way!Is murder what you really want your state to be known for across the western world?

UG is the minority opinion, check the popularity and ratings of the other blogs that are more moderate. National approval for the DP is at an all time low in the US.

As for Justen, you know nothing about him so leave him alone.

My objection to what you did with PTO was that I backed off and you couldn’t let it go so you plucked comments and showed them out of context. Given the ludicrous numbers of incarcerated Americans (rising despite the DP) it becomes an increasingly relevant forum!

Yawn. How many hot or cold meals do the three people Woods murdered get? All foods have an acceptable amount of ppm contamination. The only sources I can find that allege the food is unfit at Polunsky is pto, ccadp, and murderers, which means bupkis. And, yes I am proud of our prison system. If it stops them from murdering inside and outside prison, then they are doing their job. I dislike some of the new deathrows that look like college dorms. What a waste of money!

Unlike the murderers you admire so much, I have never murdered anyone. The only one who mocks Texas are leftards and thug lovers like you. For all your false allegations of dubious legalities, executions continue and no one is shutting down Texas prisons. And I’ve lived and worked in both NYC and LA, and as usual, you don’t know what you are talking about. Texas is known for and greatly admired for protecting their citizens from the murderers you adore.

You and your pals want carte blanche at taking potshots at UG and people who support the death penalty. It’s not going to happen. I was familiar with Hall’s case before you set your eyes on him and I will comment on him whenever I choose.

New sentencing schemes have increased the number of prisoners and decreased the number of crimes – especially violent crimes, dramatically. So, yes, we’re pretty pleased with it.

You are so deluded! Check statistics - the murder rates are higher in DP states! The US as a whole is questioning the validity of the DP more than ever - consult the polls if you don’t believe me. I have lived and worked in NYC and LA, I’m still there frequently through work and they are so embarrassed of George Dubya and what he’s done to their country (his approval also at an all time low) and it’s international standing, they think Texas is an example of everything that’s wrong with the US! Do you ever read the NY Times?

You are familiar with the press on Justen’s case, that’s it and that is always so accurate!

Anon, you are on crack if you believe yours is still the dominant opinion. Have the grace, if not to consider another point of view to recognise that your position on the issue is rapidly becoming unpopular. The moratorium shut you down and more is coming. Especially from within Texas where the moderate is becoming the majority and more and more organisations are being formed to challenge the factory of state sponsored murder.

Check statistics - the murder rates are higher in DP states!

So do you think that ending the dp will cause the murder rate to go down in the states with the dp? Maybe that’s why they need the dp because their murder rates are higher. I’m surprised the murder rate hasn’t dropped to zero in the states without the dp.

Stormyweather, I’m saying there is no evidence to support that it serves as a deterrent.

[Editor --- A couple of things here:

1) You're wrong. There are studies that the death penalty serves as a deterrent.

2) The primary goal and reason for having the DP isn't deterrence anyway, rather it is the ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime.

3) The DP has a 100% deterrent affect on every single killer for whom it has been carried out.

4) Here in Texas, the DP is as popular as ever. And because it's a State's right, it's going to be here a long time.

5) The reason our murder rate in Texas remains so high has nothing to do with the fact that we have the DP (or not). Our proximity to Mexico and all of the drug smuggling, human trafficking, and gang issues associated with that are much more responsible.]

I wanted to explore your perspective and present a balanced portrayal of the issues

Bullshit, you readily knew what our perspective was when you first commented here, you admitted it here, and at the other site.
You are such a liar!

The premeditated taking of a human life as an act of the State, a cold and calculated act that reduces all of us to the level of those who commit murder for revenge, greed, or fun. Actually, we’re worse. Because we are supposed to be acting with a sense of moral purpose, to seek solutions to conflicts with a rational head, to be an example to our children’

I don’t know where you come up with this nonsense, but I expect you found it in a book or website somewhere, and glommed onto it as wonderful wisdom. Seeking solutions to conflicts? What conflicts? The one where the murderer puts a gun to the back of two innocent people, one a beautiful young woman sleeping, and you call this a conflict resolution? You are worse than a liar, you are completely divorced from reality, and believe your distorted observations about the human condition are valid.
I’ll post this for you again, though I’m sure your distorted view of the world will filter the message:

If he who breaks the law is not punished, he who obeys it is cheated. This, and this alone, is why lawbreakers ought to be punished: to authenticate as good, and to encourage as useful, law-abiding behavior. The aim of criminal law cannot be correction or deterrence; it can only be the maintenance of the legal order.

Now, are you actually referring to the crockumentary maker, Mr. Two Double Cheeseburgers himself, Michael Moron? If you find him great, then you are far worse off emotionally, and organically, than I ever imagined.

You’re projecting again. You check the polls. Support for the DP has gone up the past few years but it always stays about the same, i.e., 2/3 of the people support it nationwide. That’s why it is important to stop people like you from spreading lies about it. While the approval rating for Bush may be at an all time low (I see you suffer from BDS), those who oppose him have even a lower approval rating. And for the record. The governor of Texas can only grant a pardon to those cases directly referred to him by the board of pardons. This was done once – and Bush granted it. However, antis hate facts so they are wasted on them.

Since you’re a fan of the NYT, read it and weep, scumpal:

According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented. The effect is most pronounced, according to some studies, in Texas and other states that execute condemned inmates relatively often and relatively quickly.

Yes, I am familiar with Hall’s case. You, however, are not.

You are on crack if you believe the DP will every be abolished in the US, let alone Texas.

As I said, I wanted to EXPLORE not discover your perspective - to see how you would qualify your opinion so I could try and understand it - all I have seen is a blind, irrational and twisted desire for revenge not justice.

The little quote or whatever you included proves my point - how can you say it is against the law to kill and then kill? Hypocrisy. This doesn’t maintain law it undermines the credibility. The state is supposed to be above the murderer, how can you be when you commit the same act?

I do admire Michael Moore and so do many others who are way cleverer and more important than you - he has a massive audience that grows everyday as people become sick of lies. His films are all intelligent, well-researched, provocative and urgent, more than can be said about any of your statements.

My lord, I can no longer keep my mouth shut.

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/004236.html

Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):

4161 - US
7736 - Germany
6941 - France
9927 - England and Wales

Thus the US has a substantially lower crime rate than the major European countries!

. . .

[The US] murder rate is high largely due to the multicultural nature of our society. Inner city blacks, members of a distinct subculture, have a vastly higher criminal and victim homicide rate than our society as an average:

Homicide Offender Rate/100,000 by Race in US (2000):

3.4 - White
25.8 - Black
3.2 - Other

It is often hypothesized that blacks are overrepresented in murder statistics due to racism on the part of police and the justice system. If this were true, one would expect that the race of victims would have significantly different distribution than the race of the perpetrators, but this is not the case:

Homicide Victim Rate/100,000 by Race in US (2000):

3.3 - White
20.5 - Black
2.7 - Other

Thus if you remove homicides committed by blacks (total: 21862, Blacks:9316), and assume a proportionality between number of offenders and number of offenses, you can extrapolate US homicide offender rate of only 2.6/100,000, lower than Germany (3.27) and France (3.91).

*Sigh* And…Interpol is no longer releasing (publicly) EU crime rates, I wonder what the reason might be???

Stormyweather, I’m saying there is no evidence to support that it serves as a deterrent.

How do you really know that? Can you prove that the dp doesn’t deter someone from murdering?

My mistake: More than 2/3 of the people support it as of 2007 and it has gone up the past three or four years.

Citizen,
That is the craziest post so far! We have multi-cultural societies as well. This is so racist, you can’t exclude the black members (who are your citizens!) to reduce your murder rate!

It also has no bearing on my post, based on US statistics the States with the DP have the highest murder rates! That was the issue.

DORS, you also have poor comprehension, as my quote specifically and clearly refutes your point.
You seem to be obsesses with being liked, so your fascination with a lying blow-hard like Michael Moron makes sense, in a perverse and twisted way. The people that admire him and believe his bullshit are people like you, which means to me I don’t have a care as to what they believe, as they are incapable of rational thought. I also don’t care what NYC of LA are about, I live in Texas, and always will.

Thank you Dors77 for responding just like I thought you would. You see the problem with Antis is that when confronted with truth (government figures) they try to twist it into being what ever they want. Pro DP people do not twist, distort, or alter the truth to their liking. Getting back to the original topic Mr. Hood, instead of making a penpal out of him, or any of the other 4 scumbags you write, how about writing to the families who are left without loved ones? I have never, ever, heard of a anti keeping in contact with a scumbags family, sending them money, or checking on them after the execution is over. You are in it for the thrill of writing to someone who has been convicted of a heinous crime, and nothing more. You do not know these people, if you cared about prisoners aren’t there thousands on PP sites you could choose from? Why the ones who might bring you 15 seconds of fame on the day they die? If you truly cared about these inmates you would not post publicly on many boards speaking of their high regards and cheerful personalities. You are a liar, and are conning these men due to the fact that you will just move on to the next after they are gone.

Michael Moore lying?! He exposes liars to the sheep like you who just believe everything without question. Oh yeah, I really care about being liked - that’s why I haven’t succumbed to your rubbish and chosen to be the object of your immature insults to defend my opinion.

It’s great that you are proud of your state but in that case surely you want it to be known for more than executions? I could understand your position if it was that you felt some crimes were so terrible that capital punishment was the only answer but you don’t assess, any capital murder conviction ticks that box for you without consideration of mitigating circumstances or flaws in the justice system that could have led to a wrongful conviction. You don’t care how the condemned are then treated as they await their fate and rather than behaving like a responsible citizen who wants to be sure that death is the only and just option for the individual you want it to come around as soon as possible. As a proponent for the death penalty you say you value the sanctity of human life yet your tone is macabre, frenzied and without the somber dignity a balanced, mature man would reserve for such an event.

For you it is revenge and a way of venting all your anger by channeling it into hate for someone you have never even met. Before you start pop psychology on me question yourself.

It also has no bearing on my post, based on US statistics the States with the DP have the highest murder rates! That was the issue.

Nor does anything you have posted have anything to do with the fact that you were proven wrong once again and the DP is a deterrence. And I provided you with an article from your beloved NYT. Regardless, I support the DP because it is justice.

Also, this b.s. about states with the DP having higher murder rates is because people like you play fast and loose with the comparisons. Comparing Texas to a state like N.D. makes no sense except to support your delusion. Compare Texas to a state like Michigan that doesn’t have the DP and you will see that Texas has a much lower murder rate.

During a virtual cessation of executions, from 1966-1980, murders more than doubled in the US. Since executions were reinstated, Harris County, Texas, the county with the most executions, it has had a 73% decrease in murder rates.

For you it is revenge and a way of venting all your anger by channeling it into hate for someone you have never even met. Before you start pop psychology on me question yourself.

We have: The dp is justice and deters murders. I note you are ignoring the NYT article.

Now, back to you: Opposing the dp is a way to fit in with your lefty peers and to get sexual thrills by associating with murderers. It’s also easier to take up a cause you have no chance of winning as opposed to doing something about the high crime rate in your own country. For example, every time I read a brit paper kids are stabbing and kicking people to death. Adopt one! Just hide your cutlery. lol!

Citizen, you set yourself up for my response to your ridiculous post!I’ve never written Charles Hood or sought him out as a pen pal. I write to the guys on DR because they have the worst conditions in the prison system, they are the most stigmatized, often alone and waiting to die. I am opposed to the death penalty so I express that to them and offer them solidarity on that issue and support.

Many anti-sites liaise with victims relatives, many have formed and are forming in association with victims relatives. I can just see both sides of the tragedy and choose not to turn my back on the offender, in some cases but not all. It depends on the nature of the crime (as discussed I don’t write serial killers, sex offenders or child killers), the validity of the conviction and their attitude as to whether I correspond. I don’t need 15mins of fame (I work in the entertainment industry!)and none of the guys I am in contact with are high profile. I do think some women do write them for those reasons and they annoy me as much as you because they perpetrate the stereotype.

A lot of the guys I speak to I contacted for a work project and I’ve ended up staying in touch because there is more to them than their darkest moment.

Michael Moore lying?!

When doesn’t he? I remember him back in his union busting days. He has been exposed so many times and his last piece of crap film bombed big time, I’m surprised you haven’t heard, that the left is no longer in love with Moore. But, if you like them greedy, unkempt, rude, dishonest, and well over 300 lbs, go for it.

The NY Times article - how long did you scan the archives to find that impartial quote based on an unnamed study that you have no doubt featured here out of context! That is why I love the NY Times - it offers both sides and is therefore balanced and informative.

To the editor, at least your comments are intelligent but to what deterrence studies are you referring to and given what I perceive as a liberal majority, certainly in media and blogs how are you confident this won’t bring around the end of the death penalty?

Yeah, the crime in London (as any major city) is bad but we don’t kill our young before they turn 25 and our prisons concentrate on rehabilitation so they don’t need my help as much as the boys you have all turned your back on.

all I have seen is a blind, irrational and twisted desire for revenge not justice

If we want blind, irrational and twisted desire for revenge, then please tell me what the murderers wanted in the first place?

Anon, what great inside track do you have on the Hall case? None I Imagine.

Citizen, you set yourself up for my response to your ridiculous post!I’ve never written Charles Hood or sought him out as a pen pal.

No, you’re hot to trot with other murderers who like to put guns to young women’s heads and pull the trigger. See how easy it is to get you confused?

I don’t need 15mins of fame (I work in the entertainment industry!)

One, obviously you feel that you do, and two, we’re not impressed!

Stormy weather,
That’s the point - society and the law should be above the behaviour of the murderer rather than emulating it - however sanitized the conditions are.

That’s the point - society and the law should be above the behaviour of the murderer rather than emulating it - however sanitized the conditions are.

We are, we don’t tolerate murder.

You’ve obviously haven’t read the article. These studies were coming out the past couple of years before the NYT article was published. I was aware of them and the NYT article when it was published because I’m not a poseur like you. Some of the people mentioned are well known in the antideath penalty movement and they are the ones who conducted the studies.

Poor Dors! You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make her think!

p.s.: No one needs your help on death row and they are not boys.

Anon, lets just get this straight - I don’t love murderers and neither am I turned on by them. Like you, I feel some crimes and some individuals are scum. I believe they should be locked up and the key should be thrown away but I will never agree with executing them. It isn’t our right and it reduces us to their level as well as creating more victims, re-victimising the families of victims as they await executions and damaging the minds of those who have to perform the execution.

Unlike you I also don’t tar everyone who has committed a murder with the same brush, they are unique individuals with specific circumstances, motivations and influences surrounding their behaviour. They don’t all deserve damnation.

Finally, I feel the justice system is very flawed and even one innocent man being executed is unforgiveable. I would rather see 10 guilty men face life without parole than one innocent man being stuck with the needle.

Anon, what great inside track do you have on the Hall case? None I Imagine.

Unlike you, my interest in his case does not stem from the fact that he is white, young, and has dreamy eyes!!! Women like you are nothing you. Some of the complaints against scumpals like you is that you go for the white racists on death row only.

No, once again your poor judgement is on display. Michael Moron lies about…well…everything. There is an excellent piece by Dave Koppel, Fifty Nine Deceits In Fahrenheit 911. Dave Koppel even appears in the movie, Fahrenhype 911, perhaps you’ve seen it?
Then there is his crockumentary on Cuban healthcare, I forget what ii is called, and it doesn’t matter because it is a lie. If you have the stomach, and I suspect you do, since you communicate lovingly with murderers, check this site, with photos and videos of the real Cuban healthcare. BTW, the next time you rub up against Ol’ Double Cheeseburger, ask him if he still has the Halliburton stock he had just two years ago.
Hee-hee…DORS, Texas is known for much more than the dp, if you had an ounce of knowledge.
As for concerning myself over the conditions in which the inmates are held, no I don’t, because I know there are many people involved in that endeavor, even without busy-body bleeding hearts from beyond the sea. I’ve arrested people I just knew were guilty as hell, only to find out later they weren’t, and have arrested people with the belief they would be released quickly, but were given life sentences, after the investigation was complete. So don’t try and impose your pretzel logic on me, as I have actually worked in law enforcement, I have actually seen the handiwork of criminals, and the damage they cause, I have walked through doors knowing there was a bad man on the other side that did not want me there, and I did it so that others less capable could sleep peacefully, with their families. You, and your silly notions of caring for humanity are what make this world a more dangerous place for the rest of us. Here’s a good example of what happens to one of your colleagues obsessed with what a good person Rotten Johnny truly is:

Ruby Longsworth of Pasadena, Texas, met Jeffrey Barney through a prison ministry, then helped him get paroled from an auto-theft sentence. Her kindness was repaid when Barney raped and sodomized her, then strangled her with a cord. She had made the mistake of calling Barney “a bum” after she had gotten to know him better.

You have no moral or intellectual advantage in this debate, and trying to impune me or anyone for what we believe is an exercise in futility. The following sums up the death row lovers society quite well.

Death penalty opponents (”opponents”) state that “Those who support the death penalty see it as a solution to violent crime.” Opponents, hereby, present one of many fabrications. In reality, executions are seen as the appropriate punishment for certain criminals committing specific crimes. So says the U.S. Supreme Court and so say most death penalty supporters (”advocates”).
Opponents equate execution and murder, believing that if two acts have the same ending or result, then those two acts are morally equivalent. This is a morally untenable position. Is the legal taking of property to satisfy a debt the same as auto theft? Both result in loss of property. Are kidnaping and legal incarceration the same? Both involve imprisonment against one’s will. Is killing in self defense the same as capital murder? Both end in taking human life. Are rape and making love the same? Both may result in sexual intercourse. How absurd. Opponents’ flawed logic and moral confusion mirror their “factual” arguments - there is, often, an absence of reality. The moral confusion of some opponents is astounding. Some equate the American death penalty with the Nazi holocaust. Opponents see no moral distinction between the slaughter of 12 million totally innocent men, women and children and the just execution of society’s worst human rights violators.

Anon, I never said I wasn’t familiar with the study - there are loads of different ones! As per the NY Times how many others did you ignore to find the take that suited you?

I am not ‘hot to trot’ with Steve Woods, I simply feel that his protest at the conditions at Polunsky and his requests for change were valid and not unreasonable for any other prison in the US! They would be his right elsewhere. He was sentenced to death for his crimes, not to be tortured for years while he awaits that punishment.

Still ignoring me on Hall?

Interesting!
From a 2005 blog post.

“Up to 77 percent of Britons support the reintroduction of capital punishment, and close to 50 percent think the same way in France and Italy. Even in peace-loving Sweden, a 1997 poll found that 49 percent of Swedes wanted the return of capital punishment.”

Hunh, here is the regional U.S. support for the dp.

* East 65%
* Midwest 74%
* South 63%
* West 70%

The biggest obstacle to the death penalty is not public opinion, but judicial subversion and the legal resources of the anti-death-penalty movement. Texas judges are no doubt different from New York judges, even if the citizens are the same, and it may well be that Texas judges have more accountability.

You better believe Texas judges do.

No2Liberals, I admire the fact that you worked in law enforcement, but based on your own admission that sometimes wrong arrests were made etc can’t you concede that wrong convictions can also result? Also did you not see young guys who weren’t necessarily monsters just get caught up in the wrong crowds etc that led them into trouble?

These articles you introduce don’t move me. Everyone has their own reason for opposing capital punishment - we don’t all have a specific pathology. I’ve made mine clear and they don’t correspond to those dime store theories.

As for the story about the woman who got murdered that is tragic and relevent but there are many that counterpoint it.

Anon, I never said I wasn’t familiar with the study - there are loads of different ones! As per the NY Times how many others did you ignore to find the take that suited you?

It’s not study, it’s studies. Obviously, you are. It’s 13 studies, mostly by those against the death penalty, and the results are contrary to what they expected. If you are referring to your lame murder is higher in DP states studies, I am familiar with them, read them in the past, and as I already indicated they are full of crap.

Wood is not being tortured. Neither you nor he saying that he is, make it so. Who is being tortured is at least one of his victim’s mothers who has to read this crap about him and about people like you who want to give him a tongue bath.

Still ignoring me on Hall?

I’ve never ignored you on Hall. Hall was news before he hit death row. You, however, are still ignoring me on producing the names of your four scumpals so we can check to see if you are (undoubtedly) lying about their crimes and criminal histories.

Cough them up.

Anon, so you think Justen’s hot do you? That he has ‘dreamy eyes’?

No2Liberals Texas sadly is known for the DP nowadays - that’s the common perception. Check out all the groups pertaining to it on social sites, the media articles etc. I visited and thought it was beautiful, the people were really friendly and hospitable but it is now majorely known as the express lane for execution.

Of course there are wrongful convictions, they usually get overturned, but when it comes to the dp, the standard is quite different, and I have full faith in the system we have established, and history has proven, that not one innocent man or woman has ever been executed.
Certainly some get caught up in a bad crowd, but it was their choice.
I have yet to see any counterpoint stories to a woman that helped a man get a parole, only to be disappointed in who he was, and then murdered by him.
Of the first 1,000 men/women executed in the U.S., it is estimated that they murdered 1.895. Unlike you, if we are to err, I would prefer it be to err in favor of public safety.

Anon, so you think Justen’s hot do you? That he has ‘dreamy eyes’?

No, that was a parody of you. Or were you attracted to him because he beat this woman breaking her nose and jaw in several places and then strangled her with an electric cord? Or, were you turned on by the fact he ordered that her fingers were cut off?

No2Liberals, yeah, unless you or somebody you loved was the unfortunate innocent and casualty of the system.

I don’t think the principles of your system are necessarily flawed but I do think, as in the UK a lot comes down to the defence you can afford, the intelligence of the defendent to prove his innocence and the unreliabliity and contamination of witnesses via plea bargains/deals/immunity etc. Also I think the media put ridiculous pressure on the police with coverage on unfolding investigations and contaminate potential jurors.

Also, I agree with you that if teenagers make dumb decisions it is thier choice but do they have the maturity to be held accountable to death for that error when they were 17/18?

Anon, so you think Justen’s hot do you? That he has ‘dreamy eyes’?

No, that was a parody of you. Or, are you attracted to him because he beat this woman on her head, breaking her nose and jaw in several places, and then strangled her with an electric cord? Is that what turns you on?

that’s the common perception. Check out all the groups pertaining to it on social sites, the media articles etc.

You honestly believe that the opinions of those twits has any bearing on my or my fellow Texans existence? If Texas were a nation, it would be the number ten economy in the world. As a state, we are leaders in electronics, computer, telecommunication, aerospace, cancer research, shipping, agriculture, and petroleum. We know who we are, and don’t really give a shit what some negative Nellies have to say about us. As a state, we support the death penalty by 80% or better, because we believe in our system, in justice, and in ourselves. We’ll kill you with kindness, unless you kill one of our citizens, then we will kill you right back. In the case of Hood, yeah, nineteen years is the express lane? To me, it is the breakdown lane.

Hood, has been on the row a while but others go through way faster and from what I’ve read that is set to accelerate. That said if the allegations are true about the relationship between the judge/prosecutor then that does raise serious issues about the nature of Hood’s trial.

I was reporting what I have seen RE Texas - the focus is always on executions now, which I agree overshadows the merits of the state but so many executions by comparison to other states…

Also there are doubts about the guilt of executed men in Texas - watch ‘At the Death House Door’ where several prison staff are interviewed and comment on this. There are also many documented examples.

Anon, Justen is pretty but no he doesn’t turn me on and there are serious doubts as to whether he murdered Billhartz or was it in fact Hale or Murgatroyd, both who got off by implicating him.

It also bears repeating: Hood got excellent legal representation at trial and on appeal. His trial attorney, Haynes, did complain that Hood was uncooperative and continually lied to him an co-counsel.

DORS,
Implying that an innocent is sitting on death row is just silly, not with the procedures we follow. If anything, our system is far too lenient with young offenders, and usually their criminal careers could have been ended sooner, had the courts been harder on them when they were young.
As to the level of justice being different based on one’s personal assets, I’ve always believed that to be true, OJ is an example, as is Von Bulow, but even with the pro bono lawyers out there, many have had their convictions overturned, or sentences reduced. If you knew a thing about Texas, you would know we take this seriously, and are not angry or vengeful, but protective of our high quality of life, and the preservation of a good and decent society. Those who murder our citizens, must be dealt with harshly, as they have no place in decent society.

The alleged affair that keeps getting brought up in regards to Hood, is best described as a Ignoratio Elenchi.

There is no doubt. Hall confessed. The confession was voluntary. The jury heard all the evidence, was aware of any plea bargains, saw the witnesses testify and found Hall guilty of murder.

Okay, but there are still some shocking defence attorneys out there and some defendents do just trust them and lack the intelligence to exonerate themselves. Also the system of plea bargains/immunity/deals does subvert the process and the credibility of co-defendants .

I respect what you say about Texas and it’s philosophy to administering the death penalty, I think you are sincere but there are others on here who seem to treat it like a witch hunt and their tone doesn’t reflect what is at stake in the debate.

Hood, has been on the row a while but others go through way faster and from what I’ve read that is set to accelerate.

The average is about 11 years, which is hardly fast. There have been no recent changes in appellate law beyond LI getting put to rest, but this was a relatively new issue of the past few years. Therefore, there is nothing to accelerate executions.

If anything, our system is far too lenient with young offenders, and usually their criminal careers could have been ended sooner, had the courts been harder on them when they were younger

No2Liberals, I really agree with the above statement and we are having problems with youth in the UK as a result of this. My mum is a school teacher in a deprived area, she is constantly abused by parents and some of the kids in her class just don’t stand a chance. I think we should prosecute the parents if they fail to provide a stable home and a moral foundation.

Drugs have a lot to answer for in this as well. I still can’t help but feel for them when they are on death row at 21 and question how they could have been better protected by society. These are mainly the DR inmates I am in contact with and they are all younger than my little brother yet they are destined to die before they have had a chance to live.

Your mom needs a gun!

Anon, She has thought about it! They drive her crazy.

These are mainly the DR inmates I am in contact with and they are all younger than my little brother yet they are destined to die before they have had a chance to live.

If you were alone with most of these guys, they would rape and kill you. They enjoy thinking about their crimes. They are sociopaths. Unfortunately for their innocent victims, they didn’t die soon enough.

It’s unfortunate, but it’s the law.
One of my best friends in high school, the class salutatorian, and academic scholarship to Baylor, went bad. Started selling drugs, large amounts, got caught, weaseled his way out on probation as a first offender. Got caught again, federal this time, was prosecuted, but fled before he was convicted. Caught years later, selling drugs again, and got sent to federal prison for quite a while. Got out, got caught again, and returned to federal prison for even longer. His behavior in general, his lack of remorse, or admission of wrong doing, was repellant, and I informed him to never contact me again, and if he saw me on the street, I would not acknowledge him.
When a person starts down that path of criminality, the best place for them is jail, and in the case of those who murder, they will almost certainly murder again, given any opportunity, be it a citizen, another inmate, or a guard.
I do not grieve over my friend, he made his choices, despite repeated attempts by family and friends to help him, and I do not grieve over those on death row. They’ve earned their positions.

Our system is eminently fair.

DEATH PENALTY PROCEDURES

There are at least 28 procedures necessary in reaching a death sentence. They are: (1) The crime must be one listed as a capital crime in the penal code; (2) a suspect must be identified and arrested; (3) Beginning with the Bill of Rights, the Miranda warnings and the exclusionary rules, U.S. criminal defendants and those convicted have, by far, the most extensive protections ever devised and implemented; (4) in Harris County (Houston), Texas a panel of district attorneys determines if the case merits the death penalty as prescribed by the Penal Code (See 12-19); (5) a grand jury must indict the suspect for capital murder; (6) the suspect is presumed innocent; (7) the prosecution must prove to the judge that the evidence, upon which the prosecution will rely, is admissible; (8) the defendant is assigned two attorneys. County funds are provided to defense counsel for investigation and trial; (9) it takes 3-12 weeks to select a jury; (10) trial is conducted; (11) the burden of proof is on the state; (12) all 12 jury members must find for guilt, beyond a reasonable doubt. In most cases, the jury knows nothing of the defendant’s previous criminal acts, at this stage. If found guilty, then, the punishment phase of the trial begins; (13) the prosecution presents additional damning evidence against the murderer, i.e., other crimes, victims, victims’ or survivors’ testimony, police reports, etc; (14) In order to find for death, the issues to be resolved by the jury are {a}(14) did the defendant not only act willfully in causing the death, but act deliberately, as well, {b}(15) does the evidence show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there is a likelihood that the defendant will be dangerous in the future, {c}(16) if there was provocation on the part of the victim, were the defendant’s actions unreasonable in response to the provocations and {d}(17) is there something about the defendant that diminishes moral responsibility or in some way mitigates against the imposition of death for the defendant in this case, whereby, (18) the defense presents all mitigating circumstance, which may lesson the probability of the jury imposing death , i.e., family problems, substance abuse, age, no prior criminal record, mental disability, parental abuse, poverty, etc. Witnesses, such as family, friends, co-workers, etc., are presented to speak and offer the positive qualities of the defendant; (19) the jury must take into consideration those mitigating circumstances (Penry decision) and, if only 1 juror believes that the perpetrator deserves leniency because of any mitigating circumstances, then the jury cannot impose the death penalty; and (20) when the death sentence is imposed, the perpetrator receives an automatic appeal. (21& 22) the death row inmate is provided an attorney, or attorneys, to handle the direct appeal, at county expense, through both the state and federal courts; (23 & 24) the state pays attorneys for the inmate’s habeas corpus appeals, at both the state and federal level; (25 & 26) death row inmates may be granted a hearing, in both state and federal court, to present post conviction claims of innocence. The burden of proof for these claims of innocence mirrors that used by the Federal courts; and (27 & 28) Convictions and sentences are subject to pardon or sentence reduction through the executive branch of government, at both the state level (Governor) and federal level (President).

These 28 procedures represent the broad categories of defendant and inmate protections. Within these 28 procedures, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of additional procedures and protections.

In some jurisdictions, the defense must prove mitigating circumstances by a preponderance of the evidence and the prosecution must prove aggravating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a huge advantage for the defendant and a major disadvantage for the prosecution.

To punish with death, each one of the 12 jurors must agree with the prosecution in each of five specific areas ( 12, 14, (a)14, (b)15, (c)16, and (d)17 (with 18 & 19). A death sentence requires that the prosecution must prevail in 60 out of those 60 considerations, or 100%. To avoid death, the defendant must prevail in only 1 out of those 60 considerations, or 1.67%. If convicted and sentenced to death, the inmate may then begin an appeals process that could extend through 23 years, 60 appeals and over 200 individual judicial and executive reviews of the inmates claims. The average time on death row for those executed from 1977-1995 was 9 years. For the 56 executed in 1995, the average time on death row was 11 years, 2 months - a new record of longevity, surpassing the old record of 10 years, 2 months, set in 1994. 60 death row inmates have been on death row for over 18 years. (Capital Punishment 1994 & 1995, BJS 1995 & 1996).

No2Liberals,

We will never agree on capital punishment , the perfection of the system that dictates it or the choice to abandon those who end up in it but as I said I can at least see that you are sincere and you don’t take it lightly, which was the tone from this site that wound me up in the first place. If you are going to advocate the death penalty then behave with dignity and rational, serious conviction - which you do. I can’t stand the Lynch mob mentality surrounding the issue.

Anon, they are not all Ted Bundy! The crimes happened in the heat of the moment in the context usually of drugs and a bi-product of that such as robbery. They weren’t sexually motivated and they get no kick from recalling them. As I’ve said, please believe me I don’t write to serial killers, sex offenders or child killers. And I’m with you on the fact that those who do re deluded about their capacity for change and often disturbed in their motivation for writing.

That’s just b.s. People who commit crimes like to talk about committing crimes. They get off on it.

Dors77 Why are you so passionate about Texas death row inmates. The international community are more concerned about how executions are dealt with in China, Iran, Africa, North Korea etc…Do you think the US justice system is better than theirs? What sets you apart from other European Pen Pals exept for maybe a larger vocabulary. You should be more concerned about dedicating your free time advocating on issues that more disturbing and happening in your own back yard.

Personally, I never really saw a lynch mob mentality on this thread, and if you go back to the top, this thread was developing as a respectful and thoughtful one, until a few started showing up, you included, DORS, that instigated some angry reactions.
I’m always respectful when treated that way, as are most.

No2Liberals, there were some shocking comments regarding the execution of Charles Hood - it was more like a macabre circus than a serious debate which put me on the defensive and prompted me initially to post but I do concede that I got angry and lost my civility on occasion which did enflame it. I do thank you though for the last sequence of posts which have been informative . I respect your opinion even if we don’t and never will agree.

Neighbours to the North,
I will choose the issues I become involved in based on identification with them rather than proximity. Number one, I’m not a European pen pal with a more extensive vocabulary, I am a film/tv producer and my connection to Texas death row was initially and still is largely dictated by that professional rather than personal connection. While I am very concerned by executions anywhere on the planet I expect it from nations like China etc. I find it more fascinating and harder to accept in America because the culture is so similar to ours yet this facet seems so incongruous.

It is personal Dors77 it is not work related. Ever hear the expression say less is more. I have seen enough shit fall from your head to your mouth than to the screen. You want to be perceived as something your not. Every time that you start feeling skeezed you change direction. Can you please stay consitent with your pointless dribbles and contradictions.

Neighbours, I responded to you with courtesy so extend the same respect. I am in the middle of researching so I am saturated in this issue personally and professionally right now! Hence why I am constantly at my computer and checking out the various forums and attitudes at present.

Because I am not ice cold of course I become moved by issues that affect and anger me and attached to certain individuals. I made the decision to correspond as a friend as well. This is not to be taken lightly, it is emotional and a committment, the fact that I have done this shows how personally I take it and I’m not trying to hide it!

Faith Hathaway was 17 when she was murdered by Robert Willie, whose story became the inspiration for the film Dead Man Walking. Hathaway had just graduated from high school and was leaving for the Army the next day. She was abducted after leaving a farewell party in Mandeville, La. Willie and accomplice Joseph Vaccaro had been on an 8-day murder, robbery and rape spree. Hathaway was raped by both assailants and stabbed 17 times. She was raped again after she died.

I have never and will never watch the movie based on this horrific crime, as it was a vehicle for the anti-death penalty movement in this country, by attempting to generate sympathy for a brutal murderer and necrophiliac.

No2Liberals,
I believe it was based more on Pat Sonnier. It is a shame you won’t watch it. It’s a great movie and actually I felt Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon showed a great deal of restraint by not pushing their agenda to deliver a balanced, compelling account of events.

I have never and will never watch the movie based on this horrific crime, as it was a vehicle for the anti-death penalty movement in this country, by attempting to generate sympathy for a brutal murderer and necrophiliac.

I went to see it in a small theater with two criminal defense atty friends. At the execution scene, everyone in the theater is crying, while my friends and I are laughing out loud. You’ve got Penn chewing the proverbial scenery as he always does and this disgusting portrayal of this rapist/murderer as Christ-like.

I recall the Poncelet character tried to draw a parallel between himself and Christ only to be shot down and corrected by Sister Helen Prejean. Sean was academy award nominated and generally critically acclaimed for his performance.

The Life of David Gale is also a good film but I guess you wouldn’t like that either. Most of the film industry is anti-dp.

The movie and book were a disgusting and dishonest portrayal of the crimes. After repeatedly raping the girl.

Q: And can you tell me a little bit about what kind of wounds she had … what had happened to this girl?

Varnado: She had a terrible wound — I found out of course after I started the investigation I got some suspects and I went and interviewed the suspects and after talking to them I really realized then why the wound around the neck and all was so bad. They had jugged her is the word they used, cut her throat and jugged her, and kept jugging her and there was a massive wound here and in the chest. And I believe it was her left hand where the fingers were cut off. When she grabbed the knife, that’s a typical defense wound, where she grabbed the knife and they ripped it back out and it severed her fingers. They cut her so hard that when we moved the body her head fell off. Her head was not, not intact with the body.

recall the Poncelet character tried to draw a parallel between himself and Christ only to be shot down and corrected by Sister Helen Prejean.

At the end of the movie, they place him in a position replicating the crucifixion. So, I don’t know how you or the dishonest Penguin can say that they were not trying to misrepresent him as Christ-like.

Anon, to which production are you referring to in regards to the crime?

The actual shape of the gurney does connotate crucifixial imagery, the filmmakers didn’t invent that!

The Life of David Gale is also a good film but I guess you wouldn’t like that either. Most of the film industry is anti-dp.

It got slammed by the critics, who as you say are leftards and therefore anti dp.

The actual shape of the gurney does connotate crucifixial imagery, the filmmakers didn’t invent that!

The hell they didn’t invent that! One, gurneys can’t be stood up on end to falsely simulate crucifixion. Two, the bastard was electrocuted. You really need to think before you speak.

Seeing an electrocution would have invoked more sympathy from an audience with his head and leg burning as his body contorts in agony. In any case they wanted to update it so it was relevant to the contemporary method of execution.

If they did suggest a connection with crucifixion it’s because that is the most famous judicial execution and the symbolism was there to be inferred.

Ultimately it is a great movie that offers both perspectives and doesn’t flinch from the fact that Matthew Poncelot was guilty and the crime was heinuous and devastating for the families of the victims. It just doesn’t deny his humanity or the silent, anti-septic horror of execution.

Actually, I don’t go to any movies, and my boycott of the theater has been in effect for nineteen years. I refuse to give my money to a group of people who in turn use that money to subvert the values of this great country, and donate it to political causes I am diametrically opposed.
I will watch some movies on tv, when they are free, but I read the guide description first, to see who is in it, and what the movie is about. Chances are I have already read about it when it was first released, and know if I want to see it or not.
If there are actors such as Penn, Sarandon, Baldwin(the child abuser), Tim Robbins, and their ilk, no way I will watch it.
As for electrocution, or hanging, or the guillotine, or a firing squad, I don’t have a problem with any of them. All are better than the death the murderer gave his victims.
I actually witnessed a firing squad execution live on tv, years ago, when I was living in the Philippines. No warning, they just cut from an old western film to a line of soldiers entering a court yard, the condemned led to a wall, blind folded, shot, then a coup de grace, then back to the western. It was wild, but it had a serious deterrent effect. I didn’t roll through a stop sign for two months.

Dors: You really are full of shit. You can’t even keep your stupid lies straight. There is no pain in executions because the brain’s circuitry is fried in milliseconds.

They didn’t suggest the murderer was Christ like, it was overt. It was disgusting and dishonest and you are disgusting and dishonest. This shithead raped, cut her throat, and “jugged” as they called it this young girl. You really are sickening.

It just doesn’t deny his humanity or the silent, anti-septic horror of execution.

Maybe, someday you will be taken into a swamp, raped multiple time, have your throat slit, and then be gutted like a fish . Then we can all celebrate the person(s) who did it to you.

Okay - the last two posts from Anon are officially psycho. There is nothing more I can learn from here and it’s just gotten too fked up.

Robbie, I thank you for allowing me to post and have my say. No2Liberals it was good to talk to you. Anon, you need help!

Take Care,

Dors

Dors, your other name was Darbie, right? The dumb Darbie who stressed us out in the first forum.

Girl, you have a serious problem and you need attention, that´s your only problem. Charles doesn´t like you and Fuller is happy with Emily. Don´t disturb anylonger this block with your stupid and hollow arguments.

Did you forget what the PTO trashy advise you?

Good bye, Darbie!

Robbie, I thank you for allowing me to post and have my say. No2Liberals it was good to talk to you. Anon, you need help!

Says the freak who thinks those on deathrow are poor misunderstood youths! Also, how many times have you run back to pto and called Robbie a “twat” and “redneck” now?

Hypocrite, many times have you called Robbie a “twat” over on pto now?

Shut up Dors77, The reason that some people use a silly name like Anonymous or Shut up Dors77 is because they do not want anyone to know who they are. They “think” that they are fooling people. Darby isn’t interested in coming in here at all, much less use a stupid name like Dors77. You are wrong and I dare you to prove that Darby and not Darbie is Dors77. You can not because you are wrong. She would never stoop as low as some to make a point. I think you should do what your name states and shut up Dors77 because I think that it is you. How do you like them apples? My name is Tom Workman and I approved this message.

Getting back to basics….
The whole Anti-DP camp base their entire argument on that no matter what someone has done executing them is wrong.

They also believe that the convicted has rights to be treated fairly and humanely no matter the barbarity of the crime.

Having browsed some of the mentioned sites and read many of the posts i have yet to come across any mentioning concern for the victims and their families.

It was very shocking to read comments saying how sweet they thought these people are. How they felt so sorry for them being locked up etc.

Each one of these murderers made the choice to kill. They took away the most basic human right “Life”.
Reading some of the whiney comments about how sorry they feel for them made me queasy.

I don’t know how they can support them after what they did. These people were judged by a jury to be guilty and sentenced.

Once they made the choice to kill they gave up all their rights and that includes their life.

The problem with these pen pals is they are blinded by a few flattering words and are like sheep being led to the slaughter.

In particular comments left regards Hood were unbelievable.
For example “How could they do that to the poor man making him return to the chamber” and “its so cruel the way they treat him in there”

Hood made his choice when he pulled the trigger. It just shows how much of a coward he really is that he can’t take the consequences.

He is playing all of these pen friends and who knows how many he has now he has become so high profile.

Choices, I don’t know about those other forums but this one is very sympathetic to the Families of the victims and a few for the defendant. There is always going to be someone that thinks that the person on Death Row loves them eternally. I say to them, “whatever”
My position is that Mr. Hood did not get a fair trial and that he should be re tried. That would make everyone happy. If the evidence and I mean all the evidence comes out that should have in the first trial and he is convicted again, then so be it.
Mr. Hood has been saying all along for over 18 years that he didn’t do it. Yes there is evidence that he did, but also evidence that was overlooked by the Defence and the Judge and lead Prosecutor. I do not believe in the DP, but believe strongly in LWOP. He’s not going anywhere so why not just give the man his day in Court and a chance to testify, something that he was unable to do at the first trial. Everyone has waited over 18 years, so what is another few more months. I know that I would feel better about this whole thing if he gets another chance.
Who ever writes to him so what. If some young chick falls for him, so what. It’s not real and they will soon learn that. I could care less if someone starts a fan club for him, that is their business and not mine or anyone else’s in here.
The business at hand is that the Judge and lead Prosecutor in his case were wrong for having an affair while trying the case of Charles Dean Hood and it has the pressence of bias which is not allowed by any Court in the Country so look into it and get a new trial going and let’s end this thing. 18 years is a long time for the Families of the victims and the Family of Mr. Hood and for that matter Mr. Hood himself.
I’ll tell you what, if it was me and I did it I would want out. Give me the needle and let me go to my maker. BUT, if I didn’t do it, then I would fight to my death to try to prove it. He had no chance the first time around so let’s sit back and see if his new Attorney’s can pull a rabbit out of a hat for him. From what I saw them do last Tuesday with the help of the Judge, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit. I still say “Don’t count your chicken’s” Tom

Dors 77 and Darby are not alike. Dors is more the lonely self absorb type. She keeps in contact with American Death row inmates only to satisfy her own curiosity. Dors77 is more fascinated with capital punishment in America than any particular individual on death row. Unlike Darby the goody-goody humanitarian type that actually cares about the individual.

Big Sis just wondering if any new news when Charlie is finally going to meet his maker.”Satan”

Big Sis or Robbie;

Has there been any news on Hood as far as another date. I have been watching the news and reading the local papers.

I hope you are holding okay Big Sis and know that I will keep you and yours in my prayers!

Wow I wonder if the prison were Bennett is being held is handing out condoms. He is going to need them. Well we do not want him to die of HIV before he gets executed.

What happen to the link of Bennett and Mr. Hood

Just out of curiosity how how does the Amercian Justice System decide between capital murder and murder. How does someone get the DP compared to LWOP. I have to admit the posts have been very interesting and my perspective on this issue is somewhat broadened.

I think NZ could take a leaf out your book with harsher sentencing, we are having a bit of a crime spree at the moment and it is very disturbing as I don’t think the punsihment, especially for those who harm children, is strong enough.

The victims need more empathy. However, the jury is still out for me on the DP, but reading what people have to say is really opening my eyes up. Hope you are doing okay Big Sis, keeping an eye out for any developments, but obviously none so far.

Just out of curiosity how how does the Amercian Justice System decide between capital murder and murder. How does someone get the DP compared to LWOP.

It varies from state to state and some states don’t even have the death penalty. But to help you a little a lot has to do with premeditation, age of the victim, gruesomeness of the murder,etc

Thanks Stormyweather.

I had heard something like that but was unsure. I have watched the Crime and Investigation channel and have find it very interesting. To be honest I don’t know why people even bother committing a crime these days because of the advancement in forensics. As I said in NZ we have a high statistic in child abuse (unfortunately it is statistically higher among Maori and Pacific Islanders), with a few lately resulting in death, you would cringe if you knew the details.

I am a primary school teacher and have seen the affects of abuse first hand. It was interesting when some people have said that some in prison tend to come from bad backgrounds or have been abused etc. (That is not a direct quote just my understanding of what was said).

I can see how that could stuff them up for life, but I will be honest I am sick of hearing it as an excuse. As I said being a teacher I have seen the affects, but I also have a very dear friend who was a victim and leads a very productive life, law abiding and is one of the most amazing people I know. Also was never counselled either at the time of this abuse.

Long story.

So in saying that, sure suffering abuse can have long term affects, I would never begrudge anyone that at all, but I don’t believe it is the only reason why someone commits a crime. I know that every case if different, but in the end choices are made. Unfortunately some use their abuse to their advantage thus almost ridiculing those who have endured abuse but chosen to make their life better.

Boy I really am starting to miss DallasMatt and Dors77 I am running out of reading material to put me to sleep at night.

Anon, why aren’t you in bed!!?? LOL. Sorry did I not write anything for you to comeback on. Actually I might have something. Please inform as to why they are investigating the conviction/execution of Cameron Todd Willingham.

This may actually be a miscarriage of justice. I recently heard they discovered new scientific evidence about what happened, believing it may not have been arson after all. I am interested to know what is going on. Is it being researched or is it just people talking about the possibility? Cheers!

Dear Catherine, you have the wrong Anonymous I am not in bed because school is out for the summer and I am getting ready for a little vacation. Where I plan on vacationing has a different time zone.

Oops, fair enough, my bad. Get’s confusing with the different anons. Have a good one!

Catherine,
I posted the info below, just a little above this one. Please read and understand, that the defendant is presumed innocent, and the burden of proof is on the prosecution. That said, look at the myriad of exceptions and requirements that have to be met, in order for one to be convicted of a capital crime, and all of the hundreds and thousands of reviews and motions available for the condemned.
Hood got a fair trial, was found guilty of a capital crime, a very high hurdle indeed, and has been availed of the process for all this time, and his conviction has stood up to judicial review. There is no proof that the alleged affair took place, only hear say evidence that it was “common knowledge.” A very low standard, in comparison to the overwhelming evidence and judicial reviews that have placed Hood in this position. There are no grounds for a new trial.

DEATH PENALTY PROCEDURES

There are at least 28 procedures necessary in reaching a death sentence. They are: (1) The crime must be one listed as a capital crime in the penal code; (2) a suspect must be identified and arrested; (3) Beginning with the Bill of Rights, the Miranda warnings and the exclusionary rules, U.S. criminal defendants and those convicted have, by far, the most extensive protections ever devised and implemented; (4) in Harris County (Houston), Texas a panel of district attorneys determines if the case merits the death penalty as prescribed by the Penal Code (See 12-19); (5) a grand jury must indict the suspect for capital murder; (6) the suspect is presumed innocent; (7) the prosecution must prove to the judge that the evidence, upon which the prosecution will rely, is admissible; (8) the defendant is assigned two attorneys. County funds are provided to defense counsel for investigation and trial; (9) it takes 3-12 weeks to select a jury; (10) trial is conducted; (11) the burden of proof is on the state; (12) all 12 jury members must find for guilt, beyond a reasonable doubt. In most cases, the jury knows nothing of the defendant’s previous criminal acts, at this stage. If found guilty, then, the punishment phase of the trial begins; (13) the prosecution presents additional damning evidence against the murderer, i.e., other crimes, victims, victims’ or survivors’ testimony, police reports, etc; (14) In order to find for death, the issues to be resolved by the jury are {a}(14) did the defendant not only act willfully in causing the death, but act deliberately, as well, {b}(15) does the evidence show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there is a likelihood that the defendant will be dangerous in the future, {c}(16) if there was provocation on the part of the victim, were the defendant’s actions unreasonable in response to the provocations and {d}(17) is there something about the defendant that diminishes moral responsibility or in some way mitigates against the imposition of death for the defendant in this case, whereby, (18) the defense presents all mitigating circumstance, which may lesson the probability of the jury imposing death , i.e., family problems, substance abuse, age, no prior criminal record, mental disability, parental abuse, poverty, etc. Witnesses, such as family, friends, co-workers, etc., are presented to speak and offer the positive qualities of the defendant; (19) the jury must take into consideration those mitigating circumstances (Penry decision) and, if only 1 juror believes that the perpetrator deserves leniency because of any mitigating circumstances, then the jury cannot impose the death penalty; and (20) when the death sentence is imposed, the perpetrator receives an automatic appeal. (21& 22) the death row inmate is provided an attorney, or attorneys, to handle the direct appeal, at county expense, through both the state and federal courts; (23 & 24) the state pays attorneys for the inmate’s habeas corpus appeals, at both the state and federal level; (25 & 26) death row inmates may be granted a hearing, in both state and federal court, to present post conviction claims of innocence. The burden of proof for these claims of innocence mirrors that used by the Federal courts; and (27 & 28) Convictions and sentences are subject to pardon or sentence reduction through the executive branch of government, at both the state level (Governor) and federal level (President).

These 28 procedures represent the broad categories of defendant and inmate protections. Within these 28 procedures, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of additional procedures and protections.

In some jurisdictions, the defense must prove mitigating circumstances by a preponderance of the evidence and the prosecution must prove aggravating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a huge advantage for the defendant and a major disadvantage for the prosecution.

To punish with death, each one of the 12 jurors must agree with the prosecution in each of five specific areas ( 12, 14, (a)14, (b)15, (c)16, and (d)17 (with 18 & 19). A death sentence requires that the prosecution must prevail in 60 out of those 60 considerations, or 100%. To avoid death, the defendant must prevail in only 1 out of those 60 considerations, or 1.67%. If convicted and sentenced to death, the inmate may then begin an appeals process that could extend through 23 years, 60 appeals and over 200 individual judicial and executive reviews of the inmates claims. The average time on death row for those executed from 1977-1995 was 9 years. For the 56 executed in 1995, the average time on death row was 11 years, 2 months - a new record of longevity, surpassing the old record of 10 years, 2 months, set in 1994. 60 death row inmates have been on death row for over 18 years. (Capital Punishment 1994 & 1995, BJS 1995 & 1996).

Well I heard they are looking at September for a new date…… will update as I find out more..

Take care everyone……

[Editor --- thanks for posting this! I plan on writing a separate post about this rule later this evening. Oh, and I'm putting your jams in the mail for you today!]

thought you all might find this interesting…….

MISCELLANEOUS RULE 08-101
Procedures in Death Penalty Cases Involving Requests for Stay of Execution
and Related Filings in Texas State Trial Courts and the Court of Criminal Appeals
1. Time Requirements for Habeas Petitions or Other Motions. Inmates sentenced to death who
seek a stay of execution or who wish to file a subsequent writ application or other motion seeking
any affirmative relief from, or relating to, a death sentence must exercise reasonable diligence in
timely filing such requests. A motion for stay of execution, or any other motion relating to a
death sentence, shall be deemed untimely if it is filed less than forty-eight hours before 6:00 p.m.
on the scheduled execution date. Thus, a request for a stay of execution filed at 7:00 p.m. on a
Monday evening when an execution is scheduled on Wednesday at 6:00 p.m. is untimely.
2. Special Requirements for Untimely Petitions or Other Motions. Counsel who seek to file an
untimely motion for a stay of execution or who wish to file any other untimely motion requesting
affirmative relief in an impending execution case, must attach to the proposed filing a detailed
explanation stating under oath, subject to the penalties of perjury, the reason for the delay and
why counsel found it physically, legally, or factually impossible to file a timely request or
motion. Counsel is required to show good cause for the untimely filing.
3. Sanctions. Counsel who fails to attach a sworn detailed explanation to an untimely filing or
who fails to adequately justify the necessity for an untimely filing shall be sanctioned. Such
sanctions include, but are not limited to, (1) referral to the Chief Disciplinary Counsel of the
State Bar of Texas; (2) contempt of court; (3) removal from the list of Tex. Code Crim. Proc.
Art. 11.071 list of attorneys; (4) restitution of costs incurred by the opposing party; (5) any other
sanction allowable under Tex. R. Civ. P. 215.2.

The two names in this story will soon be added to the list of death row inmates.
*WARNING*
Graphic language in the video confession.
Words are inadequate in expressing the disgust and contempt I feel for these two monsters.

You’ve all been duped! Well its all worked out. Now I understand. Robbie Cooper and “Bigsis” are collaborating on a book , doco, and t.v. film on this whole thing. They will be making serious money out of the death’s of Tracie, Ron and Charles! You all are contributing to their retirement fund. Most of this blog will be used to further their wealth. After 20 years do they really give a damn? I think not. Good luck to all the ‘anons?’ (WORKMANS) etc. and all the genuine, caring people. To Robbie, Bigsis et al you should be ashamed! Privilage. e& oe

What in the hell…. I just found this in the last thread….. Big Eric ought to be ashamed of himself for even thinking such a thing….. Make money from this…. YOU ARE FUCKING NUTS.

I was being ultra sarcastic, after all the previous posts to that one and all the ridiculous nonsense that was being spouted, conspiracy theories, blah, blah, blah, out of frustration of reading all that b.s. I thought I would throw some in to demonstrate how stupid everyone was being. It was not meant to be taken seriously, if it was then I apologise.

what a kiss-ass..

I was being ultra sarcastic, after all the previous posts to that one and all the ridiculous nonsense that was being spouted, conspiracy theories, blah, blah, blah, out of frustration of reading all that b.s. I thought I would throw some in to demonstrate how stupid everyone was being. It was not meant to be taken seriously, if it was then I apologise.

It’s usually best to say when you’re being sarcastic since people can’t hear voice tones, facial expressions, etc. Sometimes we forget that people can’t hear us on a forum.

Thanks a lot no 2 liberals for warning us about Dwight Cummings, James Broadnix video confession “you know what I’m saying” I will probably have nightmares tonight. “you know what I’m saying.” I can see the European Pen Pal community already writing their love letters.”you know what I’m saying”I have added the two Home Boys to my Be My Pen Pal list.”know what I’m saying”. At least there won’t be any rich white folks on death row “know what I’m saying” When the crack head mentality wears off and reality sets in it will be interesting to see how their behavior changes. “know what I’m saying” And when the two Home Boys families claim that they are also victims when their precious monsters gets the needle Fuck Them “Know what I am saying” They should also be held partially responsible for raising these two monsters “know what I’m saying” The apple does not fall far from the tree. “know what I’m saying.”

To Big Eric my Home Boy your post was clear “know what I’m saying” Attacking the surviving victim by saying that her only motivation for using this thread is to make a movie deal is quite disgusting. “know what I’m saying”. You are worst than Tom Workman choose a side and stop kissing up to big Sis like you actually care.

I know wha’chu are sayin’…straight-up!
Of course, they can always claim they didn’t get a fair trial, after their taped confession.
/just sayin’

Big Eric, use a sarc tag, like this:
/sarc

Hey Big Sis! So you made it home safe, that’s great. Have you talked to our friend lately? I could not get a hold of her today but didn’t let it ring long because I got another call that I had to take. The above is an interesting read. I’m sure that Mr. Hoods Attorney’s have all that and will not make another mistake and let it go until the last minute.
So who is this Dors77 anyway? I see that he/she left not to return and that’s a good thing. I almost went after Neighbors to the North for saying Goody Goody, but let it go because she was correct in that the two of them are nothing alike.
We both know why our mutual friend writes to Mr. Hood and that she is not a “scumpal” as one put it. I know that she was called that, but I better not see that again. She really does care about people and she is true to her heart, as you are. You remind me of each other a lot.
Well I just wanted to tell you that was a good read and it seems to be calming down in here a little bit. For some cockeyed reason, I don’t think it will stay that way but we can hope for the best. LOL
Well gotta run now and get some shuteye. Talk to you soon. Tom
Oh and Hey to Robbie while I’m at it.

Stormy, no 2 liberals, point taken. Anon 1,2,3, isn’t it past your bedtime? /non-sarc.

big Eric or midget Mensa must be quite desperate for applicants. “know what I’m saying” BITCH

Cheers No2liberals that was an interesting read. It sounds pretty complicated. Bugger being a criminal lawyer, I have enough trouble trying to figure out kids fighting over a damn ball. LOL. But do you know anything specific about the Willingham case? Curious to know.

Just watched that video and was appalled not only by the way his didn’t give a damn about what he’d done but seemed proud of it.

As for his speech….well it took two attempts just to understand him and as for “know what I’m saying” i pity his cell mate :)

Another piece of shit on his way to the gurney and no loss to the world.

As posted above i can just imagine the outpouring of support from the scumpal community who will start dribbling on about how sweet and misunderstood he is.

Sickening…

Catherine,
Bugger being a criminal attorney? What about being a prosecutor? The deck is stacked against them before the crime is committed.
Not familiar with the case you referenced.

Pathetic,
You want to know the most pathetic part? They killed those two innocent, unarmed men for two dollars, and a thirteen year old car. That’s the value they place on human life, which means that with depreciation, they place absolutely no value on their own. I agree with that assessment, they have no value to society, and should be removed from it, forever.

Can someone inform anon 1,2,3, that even black guys stopped talking “jive” in the 80’s. It ain’t cool brother,”know what I’m saying.” Titch.

Anonymous1,2,3, What do you mean “You are worst than Tom Workman chose a side and stop kissing up to Big Sis like you care?”
You need to use proper grammar. I didn’t choose a side. I am on the side of due process and how it plays out in Court. If something didn’t go right in Court, then we need to right the wrong and go from there. You obviously don’t know the law or chose to ignore it. Whoever wrote about the Movie deal, that is pathetic even if you were kidding. The Sis would never want to make money off her sister’s death as some wanna be’s out there.
Been busy so don’t know about this other case you are talking about but I guess I will have to read up on it. Gotta run now.

We both know why our mutual friend writes to Mr. Hood and that she is not a “scumpal” as one put it. I know that she was called that, but I better not see that again.

Scumpal: Anti-death penalty people who write death row inmates. Usage: It’s a shame your scumpal was executed. Will you find a new scumpal now that yours is dead? Darby is a scumpal.

You can’t simultaneously be on the side of victims and the side of those that murdered them. To write a murderer is to choose sides. It’s obvious which side the scumpal is on.

You obviously don’t know the law or chose to ignore it.

P-K-B.

To write a murderer is to choose sides. It’s obvious which side the scumpal is on.

Does hate mail make me a scumpal ;)

Hope not because by the looks of it i have two new scumpals now…..”know what i’m saying”

Oh so now you are Anonymous 1,2,3. You are the most ignorant, useless, piece of human garbage I have seen in a long time. Call me what you will but you leave Darby out of this. You do not know her at all and never will. You remind me of someone that is so bitter towards life and obviously you can not vent at home so you come in here to do your dirty talking.
You need counseling bad and I feel sorry for the Counselor that takes you on. You are so low you have to look up to see the bottom. You need a labotomy to see where they went wrong during your birth and they would find out that the best part of you ran down your Daddy’s leg. Get a real life if you can and try to act as though you are somewhat human. People who befriend you are also scumpals because you are scum. Leave Darby alone!

Poor Tom hopes he’ll get some if he sticks up for her……;)

Sorry Tom but unless your willing to go out and murder someone then there’s no hope………

TBC

I want everyone to know that Darby is not a scumpal! She had a genuine interest in what made Dean kill. I speak with Darby on a regular basis…. AND SHE HAS HELPED ME TREMEDOUSLY dealing with my anger issues. I will appreciate it if you would leave Darby out of it. Tom does know the law. He as well everyone else in here has an opinion and are entitled to it…. even if we agree to disagree.

As for Hood…. when his time comes I will be there…. I need to look him straight in the eye…. I think in a past life I was from Missouri… you know the “show me state”! ya know what i mean!

Notice the similarities between Workman and Chris Crocker? I imagine his mascara running while he tearfully typing, Leave darby alone!

Toolgirly….. Thanks for sending Robbie a better picture of Sissy… it is so her! If possible I would like a copy of it sent to me so I can have a nice picture of her for the house. I left you messages on your cell and at home….

1. You are entitled to you opinion as we are entitled to ours. Darby is an antidp opponent who sought out a deathrow inmate as a penpal. She is a scumpal.

2. If Workman knew anything about he law, he would know that voiceprints, like polygraphs, lack general acceptance within the scientific community, and are therefore INADMISSIBLE. If Workman knew anything about the law, he would know that the DNA he continually harps about is not EXCULPATORY. If Workman had one brain cell of logic, he would stop his obscene arguments that Hood is anything but GUILTY. So, no, Workman knows nothing about the law beyond repeating Hood’s lies.

Why are you arguing with me Anon? Are you speaking for ALL proponents? One should speak for themselves and not others. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD NOT CALL DARBY A SCUMPAL! GOT IT, KNOW WHAT I MEAN DINGLENUT.

Seems you like to argue with everyone about YOUR opinon/feelings. and everyone else can go to hell… SO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! Like I said Darby has helped me immensly get thru my feelings of anger/rage so GO KISS OFF. Darby is nothing like Sylvie, or Dors77 you might try taking the cotton out of your ears and sticking it in your gapping pie hole.

There’s no argument. You’re not the blog owner. If he objects to a comment, he will delete it. You do not get to dictate what people may post. If anyone objects to my statement that they are entitled to an opinion that you disagree with, they can speak up. No one has tried to refute your belief that darby helped you. But it is my opinion and others who have posted here that she is a scumpal. If workman is going to continually bring her up in his posts, people are going to comment on her – without your permission.

Anonymous, I am not the one that brought up her name so for once in what life you have, CAN IT!! You need to respect the Sis and stop your lies once and for all. I do know the law better than you think you do. You are a reader and I am a doer. You act like you are an Attorney and you are far from it. I want you to leave them both alone because your brain isn’t in your head but some other part of your body.
Big Sis, Pay no attention to “shit for brains” because he/she knows not what he/she says. IT knows nothing about you or Darby and will never understand but will go on and on and on in a child like attempt to say anything that will annoy us and this pathetic piece of scum will not stop as long as it has a computer and the internet. Like I said eariler, any friends of his/hers is a scumpal also. It’s opinion doesn’t mean anything to me so he/she can put it where the sun don’t shine.
I am a bit surprised that Robbie has not come forward yet to put it in it’s place, but never fear when Tom Workman is here as I have no problem calling a spade a spade. You can tell it has multiple personalities because now the name is Anonymous 1,2,3. Doesn’t know which one is which so talks in triplicate. LOL LOL

Yes, you intentionally and repeatedly refer to her in your posts. A scumpal is an antideathpenalty opponent who writes deathrow prisoners. Darby fits the definition of a scumpal, as do the pto fanclub. A person who wants to know why murderers murder should read a book on the topic or case opinions. Stating that one became a scumpal in order to find out why someone murders is disingenuous – and even more so when they argue incessantly that their scumpal didn’t commit the murders.

I couldn’t care less what you do. However, your constant misstatements of the law and facts of this case in order to give a false impression that Hood is not guilty and/or that evidence was illegally withheld, indicates that you don’t know what you are talking about and are dishonest.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…. ON AND ON…… LIKE I SAID TAKE THE COTTON OUT OF YOUR EARS AND STUFF YOUR PIE HOLE WITH IT …. SFB.

OH YOU JUST MADE THE I DON’T CARE LIST……. FF

OH AND YOUR RIGHT ABOUT ME NOT BEING THE BLOG OWNER BUT WE ARE VERY GOOD FRIENDS SO WATCH IT SFB.

Anon, what can I say? I couldn’t stay away when I finally saw you get your comeuppance - go on Tom Workman! What you totally fail to comprehend in your very ignorant, narrow minded take on everything is that not every murderer is the same (there is a big difference between Ted Bundy and Joe Bloggs who ended up killing his wife in a crime of passion). Neither is every ’scumpal’ as you like to call them.

I don’t know why everyone is getting on my case on this blog. I was simply researching capital punishment in the USA and came upon a lot of issues that troubled me and individuals I cared about that compelled me to explore it further and ask questions. Darby by all accounts is just a caring, compassionate woman who seems to try and do what most rational, intelligent individuals do in exploring and understanding both sides of the story. Tom just seems to be a fair and decent guy who wants the process and system to retain it’s integrity. Why do you hate us all so much? Is your life that sad and unfulfilled?

OH YOU JUST MADE THE I DON’T CARE LIST……. FF

Oh, if only …. PB!

OH AND YOUR RIGHT ABOUT ME NOT BEING THE BLOG OWNER BUT WE ARE VERY GOOD FRIENDS SO WATCH IT SFB.

Watch what, YAADTYSM?

I’ve only posted here twice, because how awful I felt about what has happened and how for quite some time I feel for victims of murder abuse ect and I’ve read all postings did reading up on crimes. All are horrendous to say the least I think I posted a entry involving why the pen pals couldn’t write to soldiers instead of criminals. anyway excuse me if i ‘m off a little am a bit devastated to say the least a friend of ours son was killed two years ago and the bastard criminal justice over here let him out you do the maths on his sentence his parents cant go out wondering if they will pass him in the streets he stabbed him and he died cant get any final than! even more reason to sign my name on a petition many brits are now going for I WANT THE DEATH PENALTY NOW REINSTATED

Big Sis,
I never meant to ever disrespect you or cause you further distress. If I did then I sincerely apologise. I just don’t believe in capital punishment and that is the argument I’ve pushed. Some people who have murdered are beyond redemption and deserve to be locked up with the key thrown away but others do not - I just appraise every case individually.

If Charles Hood is guilty of what he stands accused of then I believe he deserves LWOP and no compassion from all the people that he has deceived. I’m so sorry for your loss and can’t imagine your pain and frustration at this limbo.

England Kent, I do write soldiers in Afghanistan and do you remember Timothy Evans?

Even with the DP in the USA people cheat the system all the time with money, OJ!!!

Just checking to see if anyone has heard anything about a new date being set. I figured it would have been done pretty quickly.

Anon, what can I say? I couldn’t stay away when I finally saw you get your comeuppance - go on Tom Workman!

Misstating the law and facts is not a comeuppance. But, since you are both idiots, you would think so.

What you totally fail to comprehend in your very ignorant, narrow minded take on everything is that not every murderer is the same (there is a big difference between Ted Bundy and Joe Bloggs who ended up killing his wife in a crime of passion). Neither is every ’scumpal’ as you like to call them.

Only you would think a woman killed by her husband who took a vow to love and protect her but instead murdered her and left a family with out a daughter and her children without a mother is better. Boy, you’re fked up. Anyway, if they are on deathrow, the murder was first degree premeditated with special circumstances — not heat of passion. Once again you demonstrate that not knowing anything about what you are talking about will never stop you.

Darby is a scumpal who came here to argue that Hood, against all intelligent thought and evidence, was innocent. Workman has taken to repeating the lies that Hood and tells as if they are the facts and law. He is an idiot.

Why do you hate us all so much? Is your life that sad and unfulfilled?

You’re too insignificant to hate. However, the law and our criminal justice system is important enough to defend from people like you who routinely lie because they value the lives of murderers over the innocent.

If Charles Hood is guilty of what he stands accused of then I believe he deserves LWOP and no compassion from all the people that he has deceived.

One, he is guilty. Two, he is not eligible for LWOP. Once again you demonstrate you know nothing about what you comment on.

Anon, I value ALL life. That is the point. There are loads of DR cases that are questionable as to whether they constitute capital murder hence the commutations numb skull.

Even with the DP in the USA people cheat the system all the time with money, OJ!!!

OJ was acquitted because he had a jury with people like you — fools!

Duh! I am opposed to the DP. LWOP is the most extreme punishment I would ever sanction.

OJ was acquitted because he had the capital to avoid the punishment

Anon, I value ALL life. That is the point. There are loads of DR cases that are questionable as to whether they constitute capital murder hence the commutations numb skull.

Obviously, you don’t value all life. And, there are not loads of DR cases that are questionable. Also, you don’t even know what commutation means, dumbshit.

If darby really believes that Charles is innocent then good on her for having the courage of her convictions unlike you, ANONYMOUS!

Duh! I am opposed to the DP. LWOP is the most extreme punishment I would ever sanction.

Duh is right! Hood is not legally eligible for lwop. It’s called the ex post facto clause of the US Constitution. NSTFU.

OJ was acquitted because he had the capital to avoid the punishment

No, OJ was found not guilty because he had a “downtown jury”, the judge lost control of his courtroom, and because of idiots like you who will believe anything.

Anon, you are a poster boy nightmare for proponents - a nasty little man who can’t get it up, is consumed with hate and contempt because everyone laughs at how small and tragic you are.

anyway excuse me if i ‘m off a little am a bit devastated to say the least a friend of ours son was killed two years ago and the bastard criminal justice over here let him out you do the maths on his sentence his parents cant go out wondering if they will pass him in the streets he stabbed him and he died cant get any final than!

I’m sorry about the son of your friends. I read the UK papers and crime seems out of control there and sentencing a joke.

I don’t care if he is legally elegible you twat - it was a hypothetical statement that because you have no better argument you waste your pointless little life trying to scrutinise it. Profile cases - Von Bulow, Robert Blake, OJ!!!

If darby really believes that Charles is innocent then good on her for having the courage of her convictions unlike you, ANONYMOUS!

Nothing courageous about denying the facts and evidence. I think of all the idiots who got murderers out of prison only to have them murder again.

Anon, you are not even worth responding to. You have insulted victims relatives and never offered an intelligent or even articulate argument - you are a sad, obnoxious, impotent, frustrated, underachieving, insignificant, bitter, twisted little man. You make me sick.

I don’t care if he is legally elegible you twat - it was a hypothetical statement that because you have no better argument you waste your pointless little life trying to scrutinise it.

Liar. You said: If Charles Hood is guilty of what he stands accused of then I believe he deserves LWOP Nothing hypothetical about the statement. Wrong as usual, but not hypoethical. And citing the constitution is a pretty damn good argument to yours that Hood deserves lwop.

Profile cases - Von Bulow, Robert Blake, OJ!!!

You profile them. I know this is a new hobby for you, but most of us are old enough to be around for those trials and to not do this!!!!!!

Anon, you are not even worth responding to. You have insulted victims relatives and never offered an intelligent or even articulate argument - you are a sad, obnoxious, impotent, frustrated, underachieving, insignificant, bitter, twisted little man. You make me sick.

Yawn. Dors, you are projecting again. Facts, law, and constitutions, make very articulate arguments. Pulling shit out of your ass, like you and others do, does not.

dors 77

do you remember sally ann bowman, rhys jones jimmey mizden and all the other families recently who have had to endure the wrath of a monster Timothy Evans died 1950’s yes i agree his death was unfortunate due to lack of forensics in that day and age what about the moors murders, paedophiles that prey on our children? that is not an get out clause for poeple in this society, forensics have come along way and people are brought up knowing right from wrong and thoses who are not fortunate enough to be taught that way at home reguardless of our schools and homelife would shurley know it from law abiding citizens such as my
self and many many more.

England Kent,

Myra Hindley spent her life in prison and despite begging to be released she died there. Ian Brady remains incarcerated. It is easy to succumb to the gung ho attitude we see present in the USA but the difference is the British have learned their lesson. Read the autobiography of our most experienced Hangman - Pierrepoint, when asked what he felt the countless executions he had performed meant he responded ‘nothing’. we have risen above it. There will always be miscarriages of justice to the innocent and guilty. Society will always be outraged by heinous crime. It is the responsibility of how we deal with that rage that distinguishes us from the murderer. By emulating his act we lower ourselves to his level and become hypocrites.

Anon, you are not even worth responding to. You have insulted victims relatives and never offered an intelligent or even articulate argument - you are a sad, obnoxious, impotent, frustrated, underachieving, insignificant, bitter, twisted little man. You make me sick.

Dors, you are projecting again. Furthermore, facts, law, and constitutions, make very articulate arguments. Pulling shit out of your ass, like you and others do, does not.

I also want to remind you of daminola taylor dorrs 77 please don’t forget him. those of you interested there was a day of remembrance for victim of crimes recently google it think it’s on bbc or sky uk

But for the uproar about releasing Hindley, she would have been paroled. They were already taking her outside the prison on leaves.

Hey Mini me or Big Eric just to demonstrate how stupid you are the jive talk that was used in my post was related with the link that No2 liberals left on June 24th 2008 at 12:22 pm

Stick with the program.

England Kent, I will never forget Damilola. I live in the middle of London and I am surrounded by mindless acts of violence which reinforces my belief in the state acting above it.

Remember as well that the strongest cases are built on circumstantial evidence rather than forensic, exactly like Timothy Evans, even today.

Anon, you are not even worth responding to. You have insulted victims relatives and never offered an intelligent or even articulate argument - you are a sad, obnoxious, impotent, frustrated, underachieving, insignificant, bitter, twisted little man. You make me sick…

don’t forget.. “jackoff boy”… lol!! IMFAO!! oh and “coward”… wooo hooo!!

dors77
they quite rightly endured many years in prison and so be it.
this emotional roller-coaster is also some thing that has become quite a topical conversation amounting to many believing in the death penalty.
What do you think realistically should be done with these murders forget the death penalty here what would you say to be done with them I know what I want because it is become only to familiar with murder’s on our streets.
When my friends see there sons mureder walking passed them laughing and smiling cause he knows who they are what advise would you give them on how to react?
A)walk behind him not noticing he’s laughing with his friends
B)pity him because he knows no better
C)see him in jail writing to people because he thinks his sentence has to be far to extreme because it was one of those nights out with the boys drunk you know how it is i dont have to tell you who i am talking about as you would have seen the news about the two men recently killed in or outside of there homes one to do with the car or robbery of the house whitstable kent
d)or he is totaly innocent and the finger prints were planted there.
MY GOD DO I HAVE TO GO ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Butter,
Go on! I had forgotten about ‘jack off boy’!

England Kent, if the prosecutor failed to nail them then why? If they did what you say they did they should suffer the same fate as Brady and Hindley.

A DP is pointless anyway if they can’t secure a conviction.

I can’t beleive it’s not Butter

Not sure what your post is implying?

Anon, the “jackoff boy” is experiencing TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, and will be back once done “BEATIN’ THE MEAT”.. until then ladies and gents.. continue having your nice and civil conversations… woooo hooo.. IMFAO!!

dors 77 nail who ? the prosecutor did his job he nailed these murders to the wall they admitted it what NOW the prosecutor did not fail at all he had every fact in place in many of the murders you cant believe that every murder has a true story to tell like i said what would you do with the murders if there was no such thing as the death penalty?

Impotent and a jackoff? Can’t be both. Just more of the inability of scumpals to form a coherent idea even when they are fantasizing!

Anyway, Obama announced he disagrees with the Kennedy v. Louisiana decision. So, not only is Obama pro death penalty, he is pro death penalty for child rapists. Quick, put all the scumpals on suicide watch!

England Kent - I’m sorry, I don’t understand. I’ve already said prison is where murderers should be, I just don’t believe we should execute them. What exactly are the facts of the case? Did they get off?

yes, you people are absolutely right. I am a “jackoff” I admit it. okay. I am impotent as well. I admit that I have to take 2 to 3 viagra pills a day in order to “jack off” to all the porn I look at on a daily basis. I mean hell, I can’t get a woman. I’ve tried. It’s impossible! I even tried paying a prostitute and she looked at me and said, “GET AWAY FROM ME YOU OOOMPA LOOMPA!!” and on top of that she thew a 20 dollar bill at me! I’m really sorry if I hurt anyone on here, I mean you no harm. I just have no friends, and no life. Also, I really don’t like calling people “scumpals”, I only do that because all the prisoners get all the attention from you lovely ladies and I get none. I know Im ugly but please give me a chance. Please!!!

Ok Mr.Anonymous aka I can’t believe it’s not butter/ wins the post of the day.” too bad you can’t be pro DP”

Robbie and BigSis,
I am done reading all this bullshit on this blog. When you get some real updates and information, please email me.

This has gotten totally ridiculous and out of control.

Peace out — Toolgirly

[Editor --- I've pretty much quit reading this thread, too. I'll create a new Charles Hood post once we know more about his case and his next execution date (soon I hope).

In the mean time, I'm about to close this thread (simply because of the length of the comments), and open a new Open Thread for Death Penalty Comments.]

Sorry, but this video of I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter!!! getting bukakked by the Ringling Bros. Circus is pretty interesting. It’s almost the horses’ and elephants’ turn, and I want to see if I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter!!! finally closes her mouth … nope, she doesn’t.

Hey, I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter!!! I saw you down on the highway sticking your ass out in that preening posture every time some dude with a nice car drives by. Talk about basic instincts. It looks like you’re trying to communicate through that other hole.

Toolgirly…. I am in total agreement that this has become a circus, totally ridiculous and out of control THANKS TO SOME PEOPLE !

YOU know who you are……

I will get your email from Robbie…… Did you get my phone messages?

Peace out….

lol!! IMFAO!!

Why can’t I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter!!! swim in the ocean any more?
The fish complained about the smell. She so nasty she gotta pour sea water down her pants to keep her crabs fresh.

Hey, dors! The hamster in your ass called and wants to know why you keep banging it’s head with a curling iron.

Please do close this thread Robbie it has become totally ridiculous, most of it is just bull shit and has lost site of what the post is about… I see all the nutcases we discussed have dropped from their trees.

Peace……

Toolgirly…. I am in total agreement that this has become a circus, totally ridiculous and out of control THANKS TO SOME PEOPLE !

YOU know who you are…

Yeah. Your friends who started this bullshit and your own foul mouth. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

Please do close this thread Robbie it has become totally ridiculous, most of it is just bull shit and has lost site of what the post is about… I see all the nutcases we discussed have dropped from their trees.

Peace……

What? Has Darby posted?

You are the one with the foul mouth in here, not me, you come in here and throw insults at everyone. There was decent debate going on until you showed up slinging shit everywhere.

I’m closing this thread…not for any particular reason other than it’s just getting really long, which slows the load time.

I’ve started a new general Open Comments post for DP-related posts here.

Feel free to continue the debate there.