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UPDATE (June 25) — The comments section for this thread is closed. I have started a new open post for all DP-related comments. I’ll start a new post on Hood once a new date is set.

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For an excellent recap of what happened yesterday in Huntsville at the (delayed) execution of Charles Dean Hood, make sure to read Mike Graczyk’s article in the Houston Chronicle.

Here’s a time line of our day:

3:30 — arrive at the Victims Services Offices in Huntsville — Roger Williamson (son of Ron Williamson) and Julie Wallace (Big Sis) meet in person. I can’t say enough kind things about the staff of Victims Services; their professionalism, their dedication, and their compassion was exemplary.

4:45 — after being prepared for the execution process, leave Victims Services office for the short drive over the the Huntsville Unit (commonly referred to as the Walls Unit) where all death sentences are carried out in the death house.

The Walls Unit

(NOTE — in addition to the Death Chamber, the Walls Unit also houses up to 2800 inmates).

5:05 — a few minutes after we arrive at the walls unit, Warden C. Thomas O’Reilly meets us in the entrance where we are being checked in. He initially tells us that there has been a stay and that there will be no execution. He doesn’t know anything more at the moment.

5:35 — we are still waiting in the parking lot talking to our Victims Services representatives, when the director gets a call from inside the prison and walks off towards the front. A few minutes later, he comes back with the news that it wasn’t a stay, rather it that State District Judge Curt Henderson had rescinded the death warrant…but that the Colin Counry DA had appealed that decision to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals (CCA), claiming that Judge Henderson didn’t have that authority.

Victims Services tells us not to leave, that now there is a chance the execution could still be carried out.

6:30 — The Williamson family arrives back at the prison after being called back (they were already on the road back to Plano).

The Warden lets us know that the money is on the CCA siding with the judge rather than the DA.

Victims services tells us that — contrary to news reports — that Hood had already been put back on a van to the Polunsky Unit in Livingston, which had to do a u-turn to come back to the walls Unit.

I would have loved to see the look on Hood’s face when that van turned around. We were told that he was “visibly shaken” when he was put back in his cell in the death chamber.

You think?

9:00 — The warden comes back out to tell us that the CCA did infact side with the Judge and had denied the DAs appeal. However, that was because the judge has inexplicably recused himself from the case and the CCA couldn’t force him to re-sign the death warrant.

However, the DA had filed another appeal asking the CCA to force the presiding judge to sing the warrant.

The Warden said that the DA was trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat, and they weren’t optimistic about him winning. And even if he did…the warden reminded us that there were still three issues pending in front of the SCOTUS that would have to be ruled on to clear the way for the execution.

Oh yeah, and this all has to happen no later than 11:15 p.m. as the warden needs at least 45 minutes to carry out all of the execution protocols.

9:26 — The warden is on his way back out to talk to myself and Julie (the Williamson family was already waiting inside). We’re expecting bad news. Instead he hurriedly tells us that the CCA has forced the judge to re-sign the death warrant and that we are now back on.

We rush into the prison, get cleared through security, and are taken to a waiting room over looking the death chamber — just in case SCOTUS rules quickly (on issues that had been before their court for at least a week).

11:00 — There is a lot of anxiousness in the room. And everybody seems to be holding up very well, but the stress and the length of the day is really showing on everybody. There is a television in the corner of the room and we’re all watching the Celtic demolish the Lakers. With just a few second to go in the game, the clock in the room has just ticked past 11:00 p.m. and somebody jokes that the supreme court justices must be watching the game and are waiting on it to be over before ruling.

11:03 — we get the call that SCOTUS has denied all three of Hoods claims. At this point the CCA and SCOTUS, the highest law in the state and in the country has cleared the path to execution.

We were right about the justices watching the game I think.

11:20 — everyone has been briefed and pat searched (you cannot take anything with you into the witness room) and the witnesses are all lead downstairs, through a long hall way to a door right outside of the death chamber.

Hood is supposed to be already strapped to a gurney with the IVs started when the witnesses enter the witness room.

However, this apparently didn’t happen in time.

There is a lot of speculation and wondering between the Victims Services guys, the officers from the Inspector Generals office, and the guards as to whether Hood has to be pronounced dead by midnight, or if the lethal dose simply has to be given by that time. An execution has never cut it this close to midnight before, so nobody knew the exact law.

11:35 — Warden O’Reilly informs Governor Rick Perry that he does not have enough time to carry out the protocol. Gov. Perry issues a one-time-only 30 day reprieve.

I’m not sure what this means — does it mean that the death warrant didn’t actually expire, and that a new date doesn’t have to automatically be requested and that instead a new date automatically is set for 30 days from now?

12:05 — We are finally escorted back out of the prison and to our cars.

3:17 — Arrive back in Austin.

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Big Sis is on a plane back to Michigan right now. She vows she’ll be back when the date is re-set. This was Hood’s fifth execution date.

Hood’s “final” meal was:

  • (2) 7 oz. steaks
  • (7) sunny side-up eggs
  • (1) bowl jalapeno peppers
  • (1) glass of ice
  • (4) milks
  • (1) pint vanilla ice cream

I hope he threw it up on when his van made the u-turn.

I also learned that all housing units in all Texas State penitentiaries do not have air conditioning or heating. That means that all this week when it was 101 degrees outside? It was almost that hot in their 10′ x 6′ concrete cells on death row.

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[...] The Tanooki wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerpt For an excellent recap of what happened yesterday in Huntsville at the (delayed) execution of Charles Dean Hood, make sure to read Mike Graczyk’s article in the Houston Chronicle. Here’s a time line of our day: 3:30 — arrive at the Victims Services Offices in Huntsville — Roger Williamson (son of Ron Williamson) and Julie Wallace (Big Sis) meet in person. I can’t say enough kind things about the staff of Victims Services; their professionalism, their dedication, and their compassion was exemp [...]

The Warden lets us know that the money is on the CCA siding with the judge rather than the DA.

This is what I don’t understand: If the judge’s action was illegal, why couldn’t the CCA declare it null and void, i.e., that it did not even occur and making it unnecessary to resign/resubmit the warrant?

Also, the USSC appeals were old issues (LI, jury instruction, & clemency) that should have been filed and rejected before the proverbial eleventh hour.

Since the CCA had an order out for the warrant to be submitted, not sure why they couldn’t have started the IVs in preparation.

I’m not sure what this means — does it mean that the death warrant didn’t actually expire, and that a new date doesn’t have to automatically be requested and that instead a new date automatically is set for 30 days from now?

Good question. I searched last night and this morning for the answer but did not find it. Mr. Garon could probably answer it.

That means that all this week when it was 101 degrees outside? It was almost that hot in their 10? x 6? concrete cells on death row.

Just preparation for the inevitable.

Boy, you must be tired.

The Warden lets us know that the money is on the CCA siding with the judge rather than the DA.

This is what I don’t understand: If the judge’s action was illegal, why couldn’t the CCA declare it null and void, i.e., that it did not even occur and making it unnecessary to resign/resubmit the warrant?

Also, the USSC appeals were old issues (LI, jury instruction, & clemency) that should have been filed and rejected before the proverbial eleventh hour. Since the CCA had an order out for the warrant to be submitted, not sure why they couldn’t have started the IVs in preparation.

I’m not sure what this means — does it mean that the death warrant didn’t actually expire, and that a new date doesn’t have to automatically be requested and that instead a new date automatically is set for 30 days from now?

Good question. I searched last night and this morning for the answer but did not find it. Mr. Garon could probably answer it.

That means that all this week when it was 101 degrees outside? It was almost that hot in their 10? x 6? concrete cells on death row.

Just preparation for the inevitable. :-)

Thank you for your words of wisdom Soldier{June18,2008,at 815am}

I never miss a chance to thank one of our Hero’s.

My heart goes out to the Williamson family, Big Sis, Kurt, and whom ever has been affected by this tragedy.

stay strong

This is what I don’t understand: If the judge’s action was illegal, why couldn’t the CCA declare it null and void, i.e., that it did not even occur and making it unnecessary to resign/resubmit the warrant?

I think it’s just a procedural thing. A court can always rescind a warrant that it itself issued. Once rescinded, it’s rescinded. A new warrant has to be issued.

The Court of Criminal Appeals can’t issue a death warrant - all it can do is order the trial court to do it. Since the judge recused himself (always a judge’s absolute right, for obvious ethical reasons), the CCA couldn’t order him to do anything. The wrangling was over whether another, unrelated judge, could issue the warrant.

I don’t think they’ve had this problem before so no procedures are in place to deal with it.

This is just my understanding. May be incorrect on one or more points. I dunno.

I already know what the judge did. That is not what I asked.

You asked why the Court of Criminal Appeals couldn’t declare it null and void. I answered.

They couldn’t declare it null and void because courts are allowed to rescind warrants that they themselves issued. The judge’s action wasn’t illegal. It was just unprecedented and unanticipated.

I am:

1. Assuming that the judge who rescinded the warrant is the now-sitting judge on the original sentencing court, and

2. Merely speculating / theorizing. I don’t know the exact legal answer. Seems like the courts had the same problem.

…not to mention, that concrete is going to elevate the temperature a few more degrees. And help it hand around a little longer in the evening.

Given that, and the infamous Texas ‘feels like’ temperatures, I can only hope he ate that entire bowl of jalapenos.

Thank you for your words of wisdom Soldier{June18,2008,at 815am}

I never miss a chance to thank one of our Hero’s.

My heart goes out to the Williamson family, Big Sis, Kurt, and whom ever has been affected by this tragedy.

stay strong

Left by Anonymous 2 on June 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

Anonymous, you and all who excercise your responsibility to express your perceptions as concisely as possible, regardless of status quo, are the true heroes of democracy. Soldiers are the keepers of the Republic, and as proud as I am to have stood among those, the virtues of the Republic could be debated endlessly.

But insofar as the individual named Hood ( not Mr. Hood ) is concerned, he was given boundless opportunity to make millions of decisions on countless occasions that would have left him anywhere but where he is. Let his life serve as an example of the perils of not trying your best to do the right thing. We all fall short, and one day the bill comes due.

To the family and friends, I am sorry for your loss… I hope you find a way… Take care of what you can still touch…

DallasMatt:

Thank you for again demonstrating that you don’t understand the legal issues involved. But, I really don’t need any more proof.

Thank you for again demonstrating that you don’t understand the legal issues involved. I really don’t need any more proof.

Um, anonymous keyboard warrior: You say I don’t understand the legal issues involved, yet the whole thing went down exactly as I described it. They didn’t vacate the rescission because they couldn’t. Instead they ordered another district court judge to reissue the death warrant.

What (precisely, please) do I not understand?

I feel sure that Charles Dean Hood was guilty of the murders and should be put to death. I hope that there will not be a retrial and that in 30 days he is set for execution again automatically. He was dating my niece at the time and he told her he thought he would just have to kill Williamson whom he called his father. My niece did testify at the trial. I sat thru most of the trial and there is no doubt in my mind that he killed both of them. Charles evidently was in love with Tracy because he mistakingly called my niece by her name after a kiss…. Wonder why he killed the two of them? I have my own ideas. I would hate to think she would have to testify again. I know this has certainly upset our family… I cannot imagine what the families of the victims and Hood’s family are going thru… I pray for everyone to have peace when and if this is finally over.

I hope that there will not be a retrial and that in 30 days he is set for execution again automatically

There won’t be a retrial. Nothing that happened in the last couple of days puts his conviction in jeopardy. It opens a small window for some more legal wrangling but I doubt anything will become of it.

Urbangrounds has it’s own Fansite.

Henh!
Ain’t DORS a sweet liar?
First she comes here and says, in her first paragraph:

I debated whether to waste my precious time and energy by daring to offer an opinion that would no doubt be wasted and inevitably ridiculed by a forum of ignorant, arrogant and (from what I can decipher) uneducated, close minded, dumb contributors.

Then she says to her adoring gaggle of goofy death row groupies:

i saw how they had attacked those who resist the death penalty, even stealing pictures and then mocking them by showing them out of context. Anyway, couldn’t help but have a rant at them and as expected when presented with challenges to their position they resorted to personal attacks and general immaturity.

Thank goodness this site exists, I hope people find it before theirs and allow it to inform their opinion. The anger, hate and macabre circus over there is sad and destructive.

A complete disconnect from reality, as most leftists, she comes in blazing with “personal attacks and general immaturity,” and in doing so, the desired response of responding in kind, is then turned around, only she has to lie by omission about her less than exemplary behavior.
Did I already say, What A Dingus?
Since she has clearly demonstrated she is a liar, and an opponent of justice, could she be lying about anything else? I would put heavy odds on it.

I entered this arena as an objective person open to both sides of the debate.

I’m not a ‘troll’ - actually I’m buff and pretty with a successful career and relationship so don’t project your stereotypes on me.

I thought that info was displaced and over the top when it was posted, now we know why.

Initially, she was ignored by everyone, which evidently angered her. , She made some comment about how she writes losers as part of her professional work but she is over at pto all giggly about writing her first 4 (!) murderers. She’s all so excited and tingly about it, too. So, don’t tell me scumpals aren’t mentally unstable.

And why do antis always have to post books and give us their entire life story? I had no idea what CW was talking about when she stated people were murdering some woman’s family members one by one and she herself was involved in important secret work defending the country and people were after her, too. WTF?

Well ain’t that just special…. fricking loony toons….. they can stay right there….

I want to say this…. Hood had tears when he found out at 1710 that his warrant was recinded and would be transfered back to livingston…. BUT… I’ll bet his ass puckered to the seat when they turned the van around and headed back……. for fact he was visually shaking and paced his cell, he may just go to sleep and feel no physical pain except for the IV start… but the roller coaster effect emotion has got to be getting to him otherwise would he pace in his cell…. since all his “fan club” seem to think he is “calm”.
Normally a death warrant is good for 24 hrs but the govenor extended it for a 30 day period so it would seem that anytime within that period they could say times up…… when that time comes I will be there….
It has been a long day and I am going to rest for tonight… Life continues… I have to go back to work tomorrow. Frankly I am tired of the “bickering” and may not say much… but I will be checking in… any updates i get I will pass along…..

everyone take care…..

Here’s more fruitcakes.

The nut is complaining that when she goes to death penalty forums and announces she is a scumpal of one of the murderers of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena and that he is a really really cool guy, she gets attacked by pros. She then proceeds to call Mr. Ertman worse than a murderer and then some and even takes cheap shots at the dead girls. I do intend to “revel” when they set a date and then execute her boytoy Cantu. Mark it on your calenders. I think all of Texas will be celebrating.

I was just thinking. Each summer, the blogger iowahawk has an on-line poll, to vote for Miss Hoosegow of the year. It only involves those arrested and jailed in Des Moine’s Polk County Jail, but is a cult favorite.
Maybe Robbie could have something similar, say Huntsville Homies, or Travis Tenants(as in Travis County), only using photos of newly incarcerated persons in the TDC.
Of course, writing such witty captions like iowahawk wouldn’t be easy.

She then proceeds to call Mr. Ertman worse than a murderer and then some and even takes cheap shots at the dead girls.

Yes, such realistic remarks of how there are people actually worse then the vile viocious murderers. In other words if you can’t support a murderer and befriend them you’re actually worse then they are.

This is by stormyweather. I forgot to put in my name.

The nut is complaining that when she goes to death penalty forums and announces she is a scumpal of one of the murderers of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena and that he is a really really cool guy, she gets attacked by pros.

Simple solution just don’t go to a death penalty forums or if she does don’t announce it. Seems pretty simple to me. I prefer the first solution.

Anonymous:
Your not wrong about that PTO forum.
Just been having a look and found a posting on Hoods execution. What a bunch of freaks and groupies they are.
Here are just a few comments after one of the nutters posted about Hoods execution.

Heres some of the post started by this one very disturbed individual.

“poppyfanta
good friend”

(Good friend….! Who the hell wants to be a good friend to multiple mudering rapist.)

“JoshiesMom
Moderator”
“Yes it is…it will be a very hard day for him and his family today. Our thoughts and prayers are with them.”

“happyEnd
Registered User”
“i am so sad about it. I think today the whole day of him. I can´t believe it”

See they are all sick twisted groupies. No mention that he killed 2 people. That site is really sick. Spend a few minutes there and it will leave you cold.

OMG !!!!!!!! i think i need a bleach shower after looking at that.
they really do worship sickos dont they.
im disgusted

why is it that most of these DR write a cretin sites are all women. Are they that desperate for a man and that insecure about their looks they have to find one who is desperate too, do they honestly think they would look twice at them if they were not on Death row? there are other pen pals they can write to perhaps lonely soldiers in Afghanistan who fight for their country who have little family or girlfriends they would appreciate a letter once in a while or is that too heroic for them!. I trailed unwittingly through some of these sites and came across a few gems I also(to my distress) read the site where some absolute dick head of a women thinks so highly of a rapist, cantu is it? reading on from the gut wrenching spew she typed out I then went on to research fully the crime her dream boat committed. I have to say I could only go half way before the tears got the better of me. Sickened is not a good enough word to express how i felt, she obviously fantasises about this man and has a weird sence of attraction to these sort of people there is a medical condition for it and a name. full points to anyone who can find it.

The crime reminds me of Huntley’s murderous antics his girlfriend hid his crime for as long as she could and still wanted to keep in contact with him. not so sure about now through i bet she has it cushy on the tax payers money change of name ectr. I have to say I think; although it may be happening already, people would be outraged at the writing of letters to these monsters there have been so many viscous murderous brutalities recently it worries me when were going to start to look at crime punishment more seriously do you all feel that the death penalty is a deterrent? more and more people are calling for it to be reinstated in britan.

good points about writing to soldiers….

as you said these freaks are sad, lonely and desperate.
maybe if they got out more instead of spending their days and nights posting sickophantic dribble about how great muderers and rapists are they might meet someone.

it is a shame the UK abolished the DP. look at how bad it is over there now. prisons are full, muderes walk free after a good talking to. its crazy.

god forbid anything happen to their looney club forum (hint hint)
would be a real shame if it were to be brought down by an avenger of justice.

with the election under way this will be a good time to petition for sites like these to be removed.

I’m not watching that POS on video.
He is not to be praised, or pitied, for the choices he made, and the choices he deprived others from making.
I’m sorry he was forced to eat mashed potatoes and English peas when he was a kid, or whatever it is he claims as an excuse for being a murderous bastard. Justice will be done, then the world will be rid of this oxygen thief, and will be a better place.

He does say some unintentional funny things:

1. When a condemned man is returned to Polunsky, he is not right in the head. [much easier to murder defenseless people than face one's own mortality]

2. They will have to carry him to the gurney because he will refuse to walk. [pussy]

why is it that most of these DR write a cretin sites are all women.

My opinion is that they are unable to have a real relationship with a man, so if they form a relationship with someone they don’t have to actually be with or live with they can make him into what they want him to be instead of seeing him for who actually is. Somehow I believe in their own mind they think they have made this thug into an actually “nice” person. I wonder what they’d do if this person somehow escaped or was for some reason let out?

she obviously fantasises about this man and has a weird sence of attraction to these sort of people there is a medical condition for it and a name. full points to anyone who can find it.

I don’t know the actual name but I would call it “I want to be a twisted weirdo disorder”.

They repeatedly describe him as “sweet.” If sweet is defined as raping girls and murdering people, then he is sweet.

Annonymous wrote: Sickened is not a good enough word to express how i felt, she obviously fantasises about this man and has a weird sence of attraction to these sort of people there is a medical condition for it and a name. full points to anyone who can find it.

It is called hybristophilia: a sexual perversion in which arousal is dependent on being with a man known to have committed a violent crime.

If these guys were on the outside, I’m sure they would have nothing to do with their scumpals.

There was a documentary on some of these women. One, a graduate of one of the Seven Sisters, began corresponding to an inmate, paid for lawyers, visited him, began supporting his daughter and raising her. Through her efforts he was paroled and he went to live with her in her upper middle class home. In a matter of weeks, he had purchased what could only be called a “pimp suit”, began hanging out in Harlem shooting craps on street corners, and staying out all night. What a surprise!

It is called hybristophilia: a sexual perversion in which arousal is dependent on being with a man known to have committed a violent crime.

I like my name better. “I want to be a twisted weirdo disorder”.

hahaha
lets just kill the site
i can feel a DOS attack coming on…..muhahahahaha

ya know.. I like your name better too.. it is easier to say and has a special ring to it when spoken. :)

Hi Stormy, long time no chat. :)

Hi Stormy, long time no chat.

Hello, whomever you are.

I think you’re all sickos! Seriously… Cheerleaders for lethal injection and the flighty “groupies” .

What happened on Tuesday defines cruel and unusual punishment. The mental stress it put on all those involved is disgusting. I say this not only for Mr Hood, but also his family and the victims family. I cannot even begin to imagine the emotional roller coaster they have been on.

Criminals should be punished for their actions, that is not a debatable topic. But, Capital punishment is outdated, barbaric, and only serves the purpose of creating more victims for blood justice. Trial by judge and jury, and if they are found guilty lock them up and throw away the key.. simple as that.

It’s disturbing when we as a society condone killing anyone. Killing is not right, either side of the fence. My heart goes out to all the families involved.

It’s disturbing when we as a society condone killing anyone. Killing is not right, either side of the fence. My heart goes out to all the families involved.

When you go to a prison and condemn murderers for what they did to the victims and their families then come back and preach to people who support the dp.

What happened on Tuesday defines cruel and unusual punishment. The mental stress it put on all those involved is disgusting. I say this not only for Mr Hood, but also his family and the victims family. I cannot even begin to imagine the emotional roller coaster they have been on.

I for one could care less what Mr. Hood went through. He murdered two people. I have some sympathy to his family but he caused the whole thing. I’ll bet you anything that the victim’s family still want him executed in spite of going through that.

Stormy, I’m not preaching to anyone.. Just simply stating my opinion.. Which will be pulled and picked apart and that’s just fine. I have no intention of “preaching” so I can revert anyone to see my way.. See you for example.. your head is too far up your own ass to even glance at anyone else’s point but your own.
I’m in no way demeaning the crime committed, I just do not personally support the death penalty as the answer.

What happened on Tuesday defines cruel and unusual punishment.

No, it doesn’t. Cruel and unusual has a specific legal definition. The fact that Hood soiled his jeans several times is neither cruel nor unusual.

I must confess, I am also one of Charle’s pen pals. I do think death row inamates have rights also. They also should be able to communicate with the outside world. After reading Mr. Hood’s letter claiming his innocents. I decided to return him the favour. I have been writting to Mr. Hood for the last month. I have sent him many calm letters with Tracie’s picture attach to every letter just to remind him why he is were he desrves to be. I also like to remind him of the mountain of evidendce pilled up against him and try to persuade him to confess. I tell him just how easy he’s had it in the last 18 years because if I was Warden at his prison he would be getting the Guantanamo treatment. And water boarding would be a daily ritual. I also tell him that he should drop all of his appeals and take his medicine like a good little boy. I try to confort him by telling him that the leathal Inj is quick and painless and he is getting off lightly. I must admit I lie to Charlie “like any other tipical Pen pal” and tell him that I am a 15 year old girl, hopping that he would reply but he never does I’m devestated.

Be My Pen Pal,

Now that is funny , great post.

Anonymous is so quick to call everyone a liar, yet he makes crap up as he goes along. For your information Texas inmates do not wear jeans (EVER)..

hmm R U taking the p##s be my pen pal ? just checking

Okay, he soiled his diaper. Happy now?

your head is too far up your own ass to even glance at anyone else’s point but your own.

So where is you head up some inmate’s ass?

The fact that Hood soiled his jeans several times is neither cruel nor unusual.

That had to rate a 12 on the Sphincter Scale. I just hope that with that bowl full of jalapeños that he got his first taste of the “ring of fire” that he will be going to.

Is there a chance that Chuckie Scumbag can be scheduled for execution before the 30-day period is up. I ask because when the US Supreme Court ruled to continue lethal injection, there was a 30 day window and all executions began after that 30 day time period.

Is there a chance that Chuckie Scumbag can be scheduled for execution before the 30-day period is up.

No. The death warrant is for a specific date and if that date comes and goes without the execution taking place, the warrant expires and a new execution date must be set & new death warrant issued.

Texas law requires that when a court sets an execution date, the date must be no earlier than 31 days from the date the order is entered.

The court usually sets the execution date after a motion from the prosecution requesting it be set. No such motion has been filed (as of 2 minutes ago), so the execution is at least 31 days away, probably more like a couple months.

Editing to add:

The prosecution had better hope the deal with the judge and prosecutor’s alleged affair doesn’t gain any traction. If they were having an affair, there will be a retrial. That’s not a technicality - it is a fundamental right to have an unbiased judge. The cost of that impropriety: Another 10+ years of life for the defendant.

This what I got today………

The challenge raising the affair issue was dismissed as a subsequent application.

He also sought to file a lethal injection claim.

The Fifth Circuit also denied the clemency claim.

The affair thing was denied by the CCA, but since the judge in question served on that court, there is certainly a question about their impartiality. The fifth circuit may have also denied it, but he could still take that issue to the Supreme Court.

Who knows what will happen, but given that he now has some maneuvering room, I would be surprised if there weren’t further delays. If he does manage to get a new trial, the whole thing starts over (all the appeals from the new trial) and they won’t juice him for at least 8-10 years.

true..

If we were interested in the views of the anti-death penalty legal blogs, we would go directly to their websites and read it there.

The mighty keyboard warrior is back!

Interestingly, in one of their motions, counsel for the defense admit they had insufficient proof of any improper relationship between the judge and the DA in order for the TCAA to grant the application for the writ of H.C.

There is actually ample evidence of the relationship but ‘proof’ is hard to come by unless you can get a court to allow discovery.

His motion was denied on procedural grounds (i.e., he should have filed it earlier), not on the merits. In fact, the Court of Criminal Appeals is prohibited by law from considering the merits of his claim.

Of course, the relationship alleged has nothing to do with his actual guilt or innocence. His bloody fingerprints would seal his fate in any retrial.

[Editor ---Matt, thanks for your input. I've enjoyed and appreciate your insight.

One thing I've been pondering in regards to the judge/DA alleged affair --- it seems that if there was any evidence or proof of an improper relationship between the Judge and the DA, or any hint of bias in any of their shared cases...well, it just seems that in the, what, hundreds?, of cases that they tried together, that at least one other defense lawyer would have appealed on this basis. And that somebody would have already done that discovery.

I mean, if it was as common knowledge as some are now making it appear. Why hasn't anybody else ever challenged it before if it was so obvious and there is so much evidence of it.]

One thing I’ve been pondering in regards to the judge/DA alleged affair — it seems that if there was any evidence or proof of an improper relationship between the Judge and the DA, or any hint of bias in any of their shared cases…well, it just seems that in the, what, hundreds?, of cases that they tried together, that at least one other defense lawyer would have appealed on this basis. And that somebody would have already done that discovery. I mean, if it was as common knowledge as some are now making it appear. Why hasn’t anybody else ever challenged it before if it was so obvious and there is so much evidence of it.]

Robbie -

Let me start by thanking you for providing this outlet for people to express their views and within the confines of civilized debate, disagree with each other. Many other boards would have banned me by now and I appreciate that you haven’t.

[rant]

As you may have guessed from previous posts of mine, I am in the ‘anti’ crowd, despite being VERY conservative. In fact, I am one of those conservatives that believes “the government” (which remember, is made of of the average everyday idiots you see around you) is capable of doing virtually nothing correctly, fairly or efficiently… which is precisely why I think it shouldn’t be involved in meting out death to members of its constituency.

I am in Dallas County, which holds the dubious distinction of having had a record number of completely, totally innocent people exonerated after many years of incarceration. I believe the juries that convicted them were convinced of their guilt. Yet they were wrong, as will be juries in the future. That is enough reason for me to join the ‘anti’ crowd. I know the majority of people on DR richly deserve what they have coming - I’m just unable to swallow throwing the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the small number we all know (but can’t pinpoint as individuals) who are innocent.

I think this ‘liberal’ streak of mine has roots in the fact that I was blamed and punished (by the nuns at my Catholic school) for a number of alleged childhood transgressions that I had nothing to do with. I was sort of a whipping boy. Twenty five years later I have a very strong revulsion at the idea of an innocent accused.

[/rant]

That said…

Yours is an excellent point that I hadn’t considered. I don’t have an answer and can only speculate.

I can say that Collin County (just north of Dallas County) is a pretty calm place and doesn’t account for many of the violent crimes committed in this state. In the face of overwhelming evidence of guilt and operating on a court-appointed attorney’s budget (which is pathetic compared to the resources the state can bring to bear), I can see an attorney not wanting to run down a rabbit hole he’s not going to be paid to pursue.

Perhaps only when the death penalty is involved and you are a pro-bono legal group anyway is such an avenue worth pursuing? I honestly don’t know.

Enough people have hinted at an affair (the judge’s ex-husband claims it is why he divorced her) that it’s worth looking into. It’s a shame it should even come up - particularly for the victims’ families. But they need to blame the judge and prosecutor - if the allegations are true, that’s where the blame lies.

[renewed rant]

The bottom line is that I believe government is inherently inept. This extends to the justice system. Respecting the rights of the accused, even when we’re “sure” they are guilty (as all convicting juries have, despite later being proven wrong as in Dallas) isn’t a “technicality”, it’s something we should all expect from the justice system.

Once again, I urge those who are rabidly ‘pro’ to go read John Grisham’s book The Innocent Man before putting too much trust in their justice system. This is a well researched book by a guy we all know isn’t an idiot, about a very sad story that I’m quite sure has turned out differently for less fortunate defendants.

[/renewed rant]

Be My Pen Pal,
*sniff* That’s so sad! It just shows what an uncaring monster he is, for not replying to your letters. I feel so badly for you!
/henh

Matt, I’ve read your posts, and I understand where you are coming from, but from my experiences, and the fact that not one person executed in Texas has ever been found to be innocent, after the fact, I am unmoved, and will remain permanently a staunch supporter of the death penalty.
I also live in Dallas County, and just got a jury duty notice today. My second in the past six months. The problem for me is, I spend the whole day there and never get chosen. The defense lawyers never want me sitting on their jury.

Matt, I’ve read your posts, and I understand where you are coming from, but from my experiences, and the fact that not one person executed in Texas has ever been found to be innocent, after the fact, I am unmoved, and will remain permanently a staunch supporter of the death penalty.

No2Liberals,

You are absolutely correct: Not one person executed in Texas has ever been found to be innocent.

That is because there aren’t enough [volunteer attorney and law student] resources to help those on death row, much less advocate for the dead. Furthermore, post-conviction DNA testing is only available to those who are still alive and then only in limited circumstances. Darlie Routier was just granted limited DNA testing on evidence from her trial. Why limited? Is it truth and justice we are seeking or simply convictions? Once someone is executed, the counties dispose of the testable evidence.

Given that so many convicted of violent crimes have been later exonerated, can you not accept the fact that at least some of those executed may have been innocent? The numbers don’t lie.

As I said, the vast majority are guilty as hell. If someone killed my wife, daughter, parents or friend, I’d want them dead, so I understand the sentiment.

But on the flip side, you know how corrupt prosecutors and police can be, right? We’re getting ready to take Henry Wade’s [former Dallas County D.A. of Roe v. Wade fame] name off of the juvenile justice center because of how many innocent people his office railroaded into convictions. These people are INNOCENT. These are real lives trashed and ruined. There were probably people put to death because of him but it cannot and never will be proven. Where is the justice in that?? I used to work in the same building as the semi-retired Henry Wade [before he died - Westgrove if his family happens to read this]. If I had less to lose, I’d have put a bullet in his head because he was such a useless, corrupt human being. There’s a little irony for you.

Anybody who believed these rumors could have:

1. Filed a complaint with the State Bar against the DA

2. Filed a complaint with the Judicial Counsel against the judge.

3. Filed a complaint with the USDOJ

But no one did.

The defense lawyers never want me sitting on their jury.

I can relate:

1. The defense lawyers don’t want me on the jury because I’m pro-justice.

2. The prosecution doesn’t want me because I won’t give any deference to police simply because they wear a badge. In fact, I’ll hold them to a higher standard because they are the government.

Anybody who believed these rumors could have

Not anyone: Anyone with standing. I couldn’t have.

There were probably people put to death because of him but it cannot and never will be proven. Where is the justice in that?? I used to work in the same building as the semi-retired Henry Wade [before he died - Westgrove if his family happens to read this]. If I had less to lose, I’d have put a bullet in his head because he was such a useless, corrupt human being. There’s a little irony for you.

Where’s the justice in you making allegations that you cannot ever prove and stating on the record you would murder the man? The only irony is that even though you claim to be an anti, you are always talking about wanting to execute and murder people.

I heard about Routier’s motion today. I think it would have to be limited, as the evidence was limited.
I was a police officer, years ago, so I know full well how worthless some officers and prosecutors are, but the vast majority aren’t, and coupled with the entire systems procedures, and never ending appeals and motions if one is given the death penalty, I believe the convicted have ample opportunities for the truth to be discerned.
To me, this alleged affair with the Judge and prosecutor is a Red Herring. Not only is there no proof, only here say, but is quite likely unprovable, and considering that this issue was first brought up in ‘04 or ‘05, it is a vacant argument.
Nothing that is man made is perfect, as we aren’t perfect creatures, but we have to be diligent in our judicial system, to offer as perfect justice as we can.

Not anyone: Anyone with standing. I couldn’t have.

Yes, anyone.

Great, I won’t have too watch CNN anymore, we got our own legal analyst analyzing the crap out of our justice system right here.

Please don’t lump me in with Oswald Bates.

Anonymous #1: Of course I can’t prove anything. But if x percentage of a prosecutor’s life sentences have been overturned, what do you suppose for his death sentences? Do you think it’s magically zero? The only reason you are willing to take that risk is because you’re not the poor schmuck on the other end of the needle. Pussy.

Even if I had the time, money and legal wherewithal, the evidence has been destroyed. The “irony” you pointed out is the irony I alluded to. You aren’t clever.

Anonymous #2: No, I couldn’t have. No horse in the race = no bitching about the outcome.

No2Liberals: Thank you for being civil (not that you ever aren’t, but it’s hard to come by).

What was limited was the testing, not the evidence. She requested DNA testing on a wide range of evidence that had blood on it. Only some of those items will be tested according to the ruling. It is a hard-to-follow ruling based on a law passed by the legislature. It concerns whether they were previously tested (in 1996 - when DNA testing was semi-sucky), whether she asked for them to be tested back then, and whether in the court’s opinion, DNA testing might help her. I say test it all. Again: justice, not a conviction.

Nothing that is man made is perfect, as we aren’t perfect creatures, but we have to be diligent in our judicial system, to offer as perfect justice as we can.

In my mind, given the fact that we know the justice system can’t be perfect, we should err in favor of the accused & possibly innocent.

It is cheaper to keep people in prison for life than it is to execute them. There are fewer ethical problems. They have a chance to prove their innocence. I just can’t see what the downside is.

Great, I won’t have too watch CNN anymore, we got our own legal analyst analyzing the crap out of our justice system right here.

I’m just equal time for you liberal police boot-lickers that think that government is infallible.

Oswald Bates:

1. You are truly a nut. First, your plan to execute anyone associated with a conviction that is later overturned. And, now your statement that you want to put a bullet in someone’s head for perceived wrongs that you have no prove of and can never prove. I’m starting to believe you may be the next candidate for death row with all your talk of killing people. Seek psychiatric help.

2. Anyone can file a complaint with the State Bar, Judicial Counsel, or DOJ. It’s not a fkn lawsuit. It’s a complaint to an agency. Once again, you demonstrate your habit of misusing and misapplying legal terms.

now your statement that you want to put a bullet in someone’s head for perceived wrongs that you have no prove of and can never prove. I’m starting to believe you may be the next candidate for death row with all your talk of killing people. Seek psychiatric help.

His “perceived wrongs” are well proven. The citizens of Dallas County will be paying for them for a long time. Have you not been watching the news?

Do you think a D.A. making up evidence, paying witnesses and suppressing exculpatory evidence is okay? Are you that addicted to the jackbooted-teat? You’re sick.

Matt,
I don’t believe there was much evidence in the Routier case. A small knife, a dead child, and a cut on her. I was disturbed by the nature of the crime, and her reactions. I still think she is bat-shit crazy, and most likely murdered her child, but I have no problem with all the evidence being examined thoroughly.
A more interesting case is the one in Plano, where that guy(can’t recall) that was convicted of abducting a child at a park, and then murdered her. He went to prison in 1996, but new DNA testing has shown he wasn’t the one.
About DNA testing. There was a serial rapist/murderer in Russia, and he carried on his activities for quite a while. He was even arrested at one point, and his DNA was taken, but it didn’t match the DNA in the semen. It wasn’t until later, when he was caught in the act of attempting another similar crime, that he was finally caught. The FBI even gave the Russian police some assistance. It was discovered, to everyone’s shock and surprise, that the criminal’s semen DNA and his mouth swab DNA were dissimilar. Yeah, roll that one around in the old noodle for a while. DNA testing has improved, but it is still fallible.

No2,

There was a long list of evidence at the Routier trial that she sought DNA testing on. She got like 50-60% approved for testing by the CCA. The order is at the CCA website here: http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/docketsearch.asp

You’ll just have to search for the past few days because it’s locking up on me.

In her case, I’m not sure. She was really weird. But they used stuff like her “silly string” birthday thing at the cemetery against her. Man, my mom just died (at a young 61yo) and we were all laughing and drinking the day after. Not really happy, but trying to forget. People deal with stuff in weird, unexpected ways.

I know the Plano case you’re talking about. A short little retarded-looking asian dude. Don’t remember his name. DNA cleared him.

On your point:” Well, look: If DNA is “infallible enough” to convict someone, it damn sure is “infallible enough” to clear them.

Why give it dissimilar weight based on who is presenting the evidence?

Oswald Bates:

His “perceived wrongs” are well proven.

Not according to you:

There were probably people put to death because of him but it cannot and never will be proven.

Of course I can’t prove anything.

You’re sick.

Says the man who has declared himself judge, jury, and executioner.

You’re sick. Says the man who has declared himself judge, jury, and executioner.

His wrongs are well-proven. Fourteen innocent people released from prison so far (and counting). That’s more than in the entire states of California and Florida. One county.

You took my disclaimer about one subject and applied it to my argument regarding another. You are an intellectual midget.

I said that based on those numbers, there were probably people put to death because of him. I followed up and said I couldn’t prove it.

Go read this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16710829/

Exonerated. Not guilty. Didn’t do it. 10 years in jail. The 12 year old boy who testified against him should spend at least 10 years in jail paying society back for his false testimony. After that, all of his earnings should be confiscated and sent to the man he lied on the stand about.

Where am I wrong, oh mighty keyboard warrior? Where?

Seriously, I’m confused. Maybe because my wife is out of town and I’ve had three glasses of wine tonight.

State and witnesses get it wrong and send someone to jail for life: Excusable.

Dude is in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets sent to jail for life: tough luck.

Which of these two groups (state and witnesses vs. poor dude) did the “worser” thing?

If you had a 20 year jail sentence to hand out - that you MUST hand out to someone in this case, which of the two would you give it to?

I get the feeling that most think that since the state and its witnesses are operating according to some sort of “procedure” that their transgressions are excusable. Am I correct?

“intellectual midget”??? I’ m 4ft 7 ins. tall and a member of MENSA. Am I insulted? Maybe a little. Did you hear about the abnormal midget? He was 6ft. 3ins. tall.

I’ m 4ft 7 ins. tall and a member of MENSA. Am I insulted? Maybe a little.

Maybe a little? Too damned bad. Get over it. If you’d like to live in a make-believe world move to Sweden and pay the taxes there. I promise they’ll treat you equally (when it comes to taxes). We represent the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild…

MENSA (and any other elitist organization) is for those with big minds and small penises - it is a compensation vehicle in the same way sports and muscle cars are. As for me, well, I’m as averagely-endowed as you are. I just don’t have an ax to grind about it. I’m big enough to please… me. LOL. My wife doesn’t complain and my daughter is proof that it works.

I recently saw a t-shirt that was hilarious. It had a line on the belly (at about 3-1/2′) that said “I’ve had it up to here with midgets”.

To Dullarse Matt. Stay off the whine.

Yeah, no schit. I’ve has wayyyy to much whine tonight.

To the families of the victims:

I am a member of Dean’s family. I am too young to remember Dean as he was before he went to prison, but this situation still affects me greatly. My heart goes out to the victim’s families. I cannot imagine what you guys must be going through. But I feel that it must be similar to what my family is going through. I know that many people think Dean is a killer – I cannot say if he is or isn’t because I wasn’t there, and I don’t know all of the details. I know that many people think that our family deserves this pain. I have also seen comments from people saying that we want him to die. I can assure you that is not the case.

I just want to say to the families that I am really sorry for all the pain you have gone through for 20 years, and for the rest of your lives. Because I know that even if Dean is killed, that pain won’t stop. Just like the pain of my family will never go away. I’m praying for everyone involved and I hope that someday you will find it in your heart to forgive Dean (if he truly did this). God bless you!

His wrongs are well-proven. Fourteen innocent people released from prison so far (and counting). That’s more than in the entire states of California and Florida. One county.

You took my disclaimer about one subject and applied it to my argument regarding another. You are an intellectual midget.

And you’re an idiot. No, his wrongs are not well proven. Apparently, doesn’t take much for you to demand someone be put to death. And don’t fool yourself as to why no one wants you on a jury. It would only takes one question on voir dire to identify you as the nut you really are.

Exonerated. Not guilty. Didn’t do it. 10 years in jail. The 12 year old boy who testified against him should spend at least 10 years in jail paying society back for his false testimony. After that, all of his earnings should be confiscated and sent to the man he lied on the stand about.

False testimony? Where’s your proof that he lied? He testified as to what happened to him and his perceptions. There was no doubt the boy was raped. At least you’re not demanding the kid be executed.

Where am I wrong, oh mighty keyboard warrior? Where?

When and where are you not wrong, psycho, is the better question.

I cannot say if he is or isn’t because I wasn’t there, and I don’t know all of the details.

Do you think pretending to be ignorant of the overwhelming evidence of his guilt makes you credible?

Breaking News…
Fox, ABC and CBS are in discussion with a new cable channel SatanicTV.
Head of SatanicTV “Beelzebub Bob” is offering live streaming of Charles Hoods eternity of suffering.
Beelzebub Bob released a statement earlier stating “Things are a bit tight right now what with the state of the economy and all. So after some discussion i thought what the hell (no pun intended) lets go cable !”
Unconfirmed reports from “insiders” also hint at the possible addition of interactive Hell TV allowing viewers to vote using their remotes from a variety of suitable punishments for the damned.

More to follow

Carlos De Luna, Rubin Cantu are two men that you can research on line and find that Texas does in fact execute innocent men!

One innocent person dying for something they didn’t do is enough for me to be anti death penalty.

Carlos De Luna, Rubin Cantu are two men that you can research on line and find that Texas does in fact execute innocent men!

I’m familiar with the cases, and no, they were not innocent — and neither is Hood.

“Things are a bit tight right now what with the state of the economy and all. So after some discussion i thought what the hell (no pun intended) lets go cable !”

LOL!

To SatanicTV.com
that had me on the floor in stitches man. You are one funny f*cker.
Keep up the good work.

Oh yes they were innocent, you’re familiar with your one sided “because they were convicted they must be guilty” mind set!

I hope for your sake you’re never fasley accused and convicted of a crime, and don’t say “it will never happen”. Because it does happen all too often!

Just ask any of the 13 men set free off of Illinois death row, after in some cases more than twenty years for crimes they had absolutely NOTHING to do with!

Oh yes they were innocent, you’re familiar with your one sided “because they were convicted they must be guilty” mind set!

No, I came to the conclusion they are guilty because I read the opinions and understand the standards the courts apply in reviewing appeals. Unlike, you antis, who look at a thug’s booking photo and decide he is too cute to be a murderer.

Fed up with quick executions? Feel like they got off easy?
Well not any more with the new interactive DVD from Hell Games Inc.
Special edition release coming soon staring Charles Hood.
Features include: Make Charles’s ass pucker
Scoop out his eyes with a blunt spoon
Testicle electrodes
oops the needle slipped
that wasn’t saline that was my urine sample
and many more
also for a limited time the bonus DVD where you get to juice him, revive him and juice him again !
Plus we’ve added “the gallows” “firing squad” and everyones favourite “old sparky”

available from all good dept stores as soon as he kicks the bucket

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

I hope this whole post is a joke. Otherwise you are a seriously disturbed person.

Yeah, I thought it may be a joke, too. For the record, Hood is guilty and has had excellent legal representation from trial onward.

Charles will be executed at some point in time…. sooner the better… any one who thinks 19 yrs is rushing it can kiss my ass…. The victims.. Ron and Tracie haven’t been able to breathe, eat, watch the sun rise and set, and all the other things in life. Its too bad that his murderous actions have caused so much pain and suffering for ALL involved. Like I have said before… I do have empathy for Hoods family, they don’t deserve the pain either, but Deans actions have had alot of repercussions, so WE ALL SUFFER.

i am most certainly not disturbed and do not appreciate being called a joke.
maybe if you spent some time reading the posts on PTO you would learn how much joy they bring to us.
from what charles has told me it is just so unfortunate that Ron was killed while he was driving his car.
its so sad that this was used against him and the travesty of a trial that followed should concern us all.
it is obvious that God is protecting his innocent son and saved him from being wrongfully killed.
The lord will protect the innocent and punish the wicked and the truth will prevail.

DallasMatt Ive just spent 15min reading your 23 plus posts that you left in the last 2 days.

1. what a party animal, buzz killer at a party
2. no clear direction, summarize
3. Do you work in the postal industry?
4. My 2 year old sister bables for hours about nothing also.

3. Do you work in the postal industry?
4. My 2 year old sister bables for hours about nothing also.

LOL genius…

5. Is actually Dors77 and maybe enjoy wearing dresses at the weekend?

dors77,

Do you honestly believe everything Charles tells you , he was convicted because he was driving Ron’s car when Ron was killed. This was used against him at the trial , get your head out of your butt ,
why was he in Indiana with Ron’s car , what about the bloody prints found all over the crime scene , the jewellery that he stole , the forged cheque , etc., etc.
Do you really think that the courts are that stupid , that they would send him to death without dealing with the evidence at hand , everything points to him being guilty.
Why did he leave Texas in such a hurry , why did he not go to the police and prove he was innocent , surely he would have had an alibi of some sort.
You PTO people that get off writing to murderers , who are your other pen pals , Charles Manson , Scott Peterson , too bad O.J. got off , you could have believed his bullshit also.

My favorite Dors77 phrase is freedom deprived persons .

Dors77 you are one of those annoying single minded freaks who spout crap with no understanding of the suffering they cause.
Do you really believe that someone like Hood should be allowed to live?
“Freedom deprived persons” what about life deprived persons aka the victims.
Why should youre scumbag penispal get to live when the victim doesn’t? Answer that you pious freak.
Oh and don’t bother with the “killing them will only cause more suffering” crap because thats rubbish.

Hi There,
Don’t know what is going on but there are posts on this thread that I didn’t submit. Somebody has adopted / used my username. Surely the site is regulated and this misrepresentation shouldn’t happen? While I am for the anti-death penalty sentiment of the posts I have never corresponded with Charles Dean Hood nor am I religious. I have no knowledge regarding his guilt or innocence but regardless I still oppose capital punishment and don’t believe he should be executed by an apparently civilised western nation. I would request that the owner of the site removes or amends the posts falsely submitted in my name.

In response to the comments on the posts I actually submitted on the 16th/17th I freely admitted to PTO that I was guilty of lowering my tone amidst this savage, irrational forum because I’ve seen how you have attacked previous posters and felt you should deal with someone who isn’t so easy to bully.

This site has misappropriated photos and used them out of context - I refer to the thread on ‘the faces of death row groupies’. I only informed you that I am attractive, happily attached (to a man who has never had so much as a parking ticket and fully supports me in opposing the death penalty and supporting the guys on DR!) with a great career to show that we don’t all fit the sad, lonely stereotype you are trying to promote of women who correspond with DR inmates. I’m not ‘tingly’ over them but I am respectful and compassionate. I became involved in this through my role as a producer in the entertainment industry but based on what I observed I am still writing them in that capacity and also in solidarity as an activist. Are you going to suggest that individuals like Sean Penn (who also writes DR inmates) suffer from a sexual perversion as well!

[Editor --- Yeah. I checked the IP addresses and the "other" Dors77 is using a different IP address, and in fact has used numerous aliases from that IP. I've changed the names from that IP address to "Not_Dors77" to clear it up.]

Are you going to suggest that individuals like Sean Penn (who also writes DR inmates) suffer from a sexual perversion as well!

Hahaha! Great choice! A couple of years ago, there was a letter written by Penn and published on the internet. The man is functionally illiterate. No joke.

Oh, I forgot: Penn is also an anti-American, terrorist loving, misogynistic, wife beating turd. And he suffers from a sexual perversion as well.

Anonymous,

I can assure you that Sean is a very articulate and erudite man who has achieved more success, respect and enligtenment in his life than you ever will.

I’m not going to get drawn into another futile slanging match with you. Only please do think and reflect before you actively endorse and encourage executions. Unless you can honestly say that police investigations are perfect and always identify the actual murderer or that the justice system has no flaws and never suffers from corruption then you shouldn’t assume the man facing death deserves his fate.

If nothing else assess your tone and hypocrisy in criticising their lack of respect for human life while you celebrate their impending executions with such zeal. I think your blood lust is the perversion here.

Also, I would never say ‘freedom deprived persons’ I agree that is a dumb expression.

I completely agree with you guys that criminals should be severely punished for their crimes, I just don’t agree that state sponsored murder is the solution.

Whoever owns this site please check the comments made lately against the originals on the 16th / 17th and you will see they are from a different person. I really don’t want to be associated with them!

Cupcake:

Once again, Penn is functionally illiterate and cavorts with terrorists. One thing I have never “achieved” is the act of beating my wives (I only have one) like Penn. He was convicted of physically abusing Madonna and unapologetically bragged about slapping Robin Penn around in a television interview. He is a vulgar little man. That you would admire and try to glom on to him, does not surprise anyone.

I suggest that you are the one who need to think and to stop pretending that these murderers you support are anything but guilty. You fool no one. Unless you state that the evidence of Hood’s guilt is overwhelming, you are just another truth challenged, thrill seeking, thug lover.

And you are the one who needs to assess their “tone.” I do not post on thug lover forums. However, you came here spoiling for a fight, were ignored, and became angry because you were ignored. Evidently, you have no respect for the lives of the innocent and you are willing to sacrifice their lives for the cheap thrill you get in writing murderers. Your lack of humanity and your nativete is the real perversion here.

To confirm, I had nothing to do with the following comments made on June 20th:

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

You are all horrible and vile people for saying such things against him.
I’ve been writing freedom deprived persons for nearly 10 years now.
They are all lovely people if you just let them show it.
Charles has a lot of love to give and is innocent as will be proved once he gets a fair trial.
Please do not be horrible to those that choose to befriend these poor souls.
The members of PTO are a life line for those trapped often because of poor legal representation.
All my pen friends are just the sweetest and i am so happy every day a letter arrives.
All of us at PTO will be praying for Charles and GOD will surely set him free.

i am most certainly not disturbed and do not appreciate being called a joke.
maybe if you spent some time reading the posts on PTO you would learn how much joy they bring to us.
from what charles has told me it is just so unfortunate that Ron was killed while he was driving his car.
its so sad that this was used against him and the travesty of a trial that followed should concern us all.
it is obvious that God is protecting his innocent son and saved him from being wrongfully killed.
The lord will protect the innocent and punish the wicked and the truth will prevail.

My comments were made on the 16th/17th and today. Owner / administrator of the site can you please respond?

Also, I would never say ‘freedom deprived persons’ I agree that is a dumb expression.

Apparently, someone is doing a hilarious parody of you. And as with all parodies, it’s based on truth.

Anonymous, the high number of exonerations more than proves my point.

I’m not naive, I appreciate that amongst the innocent many are guilty - whether directly responsible or by association / enabling. But I still don’t believe that the state reserves the right to kill, however sanitized and rationalized you are still lowering yourselves to the brutal, sadistic act of the murderer. Unnecessary when life without parole is an option.

I agree that we can be too left wing on this issue. I couldn’t write to a serial killer, sex offender or somebody who had killed a child. The guys on DR I am in contact with made bad choices, most when they were just teenagers. Many had no criminal records prior to the incident and death resulted as a robbery gone awry etc rather than being pre-meditated. Some of them did get screwed over by co-defendants who plea bargained and walked off with life sentences despite being implicated for the same crime. I don’t believe these boys deserve to die. In several cases they could still be redeemed to offer something positive to society.

Anonymous, the high number of exonerations more than proves my point.

Uh, no it doesn’t. Since the death penalty was reinstated, no one innocent has been execute. What you weenies fail to understand is that appellate review is part of the process of finding a defendant guilty. Exoneration is not the same as factual innocence. DPIC shamelessly pads their stats counting those convictions overturned on technicalities including those where the defendant was retried, convicted, and sentenced to death a second time.

If you believed there are those who are guilty, you would not play this game where you choose to be ignorant of the facts of specific cases.

You don’t believe in death penalty, but we do. You have no say in our laws. Not now. Not ever. You also overlook that your solution of lwop will not stop murderers from murdering: they murder prison workers, inmates, order murders from prison, and escape and murder. But, you don’t care about innocent people, do you? Murderers’ live are more important to you than the innocent. And there has also been a number of recent studies that conclude that for every execution, an additional 3-18 murders are deterred.

I really don’t care why you write prisoners. That is between you and your psychiatrist. I will point out to you that calling what they did as merely “bad choices” is bullshit and offensive. And I frankly, I don’t believe a thing you say about their backgrounds and the facts of the case. Give us the names of your four boytoys. I have no doubt if I looked up the actual facts it would demonstrate that you are full of crap.

It is the fault of the prison if they are unable to do their job and provide adequate supervision for their inmates to ensure they do not reoffend while incarcerated. This is a pointless argument anyway as they are on DR for an average of at least 10 years where according to your argument they could be killing more people.

Sadly many innocent people have been executed - check out interviews with former wardens, guards and prosecutors who were once devotees of capital punishment and are now haunted by their service in your factories of death.

Just go through the DR lists for Texas and Mississippi and you will see he case files on several of the guys I am in contact with. It’s shocking how young they are. Of course I care about the victims I just don’t see how more murder honours them. By bad choices I am not trying to dismiss the terrible consequences of the actual crime they committed, more I am referring to the context - crowds they got in to, drugs etc and the role these factors played in their behaviour. These paths were often determined as a result of poverty and unstable parental influence. Is that really all their fault? I was lucky enough to be raised in a stable, loving family where I learned moral values. They weren’t. I certainly don’t condone what they did but they are not all ‘evil’. Compassion and understanding is surely the basis of humanity.

No, I can’t change your laws but Obama can so I am optimistic that you will catch up to the rest of the western world rather than sticking with the other nations that share your attitude to capital punishment like Iran and China. I’m sure Texas will be the last to fall though so this primitive, unnecessary slaughter will no doubt continue for some time. Shame on us all.

Prisons are doing their job to ensure that murderers do not reoffend: they execute them and it works like a charm.

No, no innocent person has been executed. And don’t give me this “you check out” crap. The only one new to this is you. That you can find a handful of people with buyers remorse, many who have been shown to be dishonest, is irrelevant. And if you want to play the number game – the vast majority of wardens, guards, and prosecutors have absolutely no regrets and sleep like babies each and every night.

Just go through the DR lists for Texas and Mississippi and you will see he case files on several of the guys I am in contact with. /em>

What a shock! You are going to play games. Give us the names. If you don’t it is because you were lying earlier about their crimes, history, and culpability. Not that I am surprised that you did. It’s typical anti behavior.

Again, you show how little you know about our laws and society: Obama can’t do shit about the death penalty. And Japan executed three murderers this week and I am more than happy to be lumped in with them. Regardless, the last thing Americans want to be part of are the euroweenies . I know it’s a shock to your egos but we relish in the thought of not being like you primitive people who have absolutely no concern with victims and who are responsible for wars and genocide and the deaths of over a hundred million people in the last century. Not shame on us all. Shame on you!

I’m not going to have a pointless debate based on your emotional, irrational arguments. Wardens and prison guards don’t sleep like babies - do some reading! It’s terrible what they have to endure as part of this awful system.

As per not revealing the names of the guys I correspond with, I wouldn’t betray their confidence and set them up for you to misrepresent. And to re-affirm my position is that regardless of what anybody has done the state still shouldn’t be playing God.

You’re right Europe has been responsible for much devastation but our attitude now is based on what we have learned from our mistakes and the history of our culture. I love America, I think it is amazing country but I don’t understand how such forward thinking people can cling to such old and barbaric traditions. Change is coming, the backing for the George Dubya’s is fading as political correctness takes over. Even Texas won’t be able to resist it.

Just go on that pathetic freak site PTO if you want to know who this obviously mentally unstable individual writes to.
They are so disgusting in their attachment to the dregs of society in turns your stomach.
One of the freaks actually thinks one convicted killer who brutally murdered a mother before turning on her child is innocent !
FFS the evidence was overwhelming. DNA, Fingerprint and Witnesses all proved it w