i was very shocked at the courts decision…. those animals that rape children do not deserve to breathe. That animal will be housed separately from the rest of the population… as even convicts hate CHILD MOLESTERS/RAPIST/MURDERERS. and are delt with accordingly….. so there seems to be justice even with convicts, it is just not tolerated and and is delt with……its to bad they areen’t housed in general population…..

Left by big sis on June 25th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

A date of September 10th has been set for Hood.

Left by big sis on June 25th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

That’s good Big Sis I just recently start following this thread and I don’t know how you managed to remain so strong for this long. Hope things go according to plan.

Left by hope this is last time on June 25th, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Yea, I read all that other crap and hope that Anonymous does not follow this thread. I was going to say something but decided not to until she said something about Darby. I would ask at this time to please leave Darby out of your quarrels and arguments. She is very ill and is not interested in writing in here and will not. She will pop in every once in a while just to read but refuses to comment.
Big Sis, I appreciate you sticking up for her as much as you do. She is a lady with class as you are and I can’t put up with remarks about her or you. You are two people that do not agree but have managed to still be friends, unlike some people who think that if you don’t agree with them, You should be executed too.
Robbie, I went to read the article about the Dad who raped his little girl and it made me sick. They need to casterate him.
Mr. Hood now has a new date? September 10th eh? Well that at least gives his Attorney’s enough time to prepare.
Let’s hope that this new thread will stay on the subject at hand and not get all nasty like the other one. That comment by Anonymous saying she is a man was the most ignorant pitiful thing that SHE has ever said.
I would say that if you have something to say about Mr. Hood or the DP vs LWOP, feel free to say it and if it’s about someone else or the crap that Anoymous started, Please keep it to yourself because nobody cares what you have to say anyway. Not an order, just a suggestion. I know that I don’t have the authority to make an order in here and am just a writer but totally agree with the Sis and Robbie, the owner of this blog. Tom

Left by Tom Workman on June 26th, 2008 at 2:03 am

Mr. Tom Workman are you off your medication? It’s obvious that you have a mental illness It is too noticeable for it to go undetected
Delusional, Psychosis, Bipolar NOS Don’t be ashamed I won’t tease you anymore retard I usually enjoy pocking at people that unstable but not the mentally ill. I volunteered at a Forensic Mental Institution last summer as a recreational staff Your empathy towards death row inmates makes me think that you have been in contact with the law at one time or another. I know how people like you think. Every time someone mentions Darby’s name it triggers something inside of your head and you react. You have the mentality of a 12 year. It is important for you notice these signs of mental illness before you re-offend and get help. And submit to your Psychiatrist and stop thinking that everyone else is nuts.

Left by take your medication tom on June 26th, 2008 at 2:39 am

Gee Big Sis you say it like it is and well done. I totally agree with you and respect what you are saying. People have different points of view for various reasons and we should all respect that.

I got frustrated when I first came into this blog because Anon accused me of all sorts of things which was so far off what I was trying to say. Anyway, I think it is great that some of us can debate an obviously controversial topic with respect and I must admit it has helped me become more informed on the issues. I still don’t feel comfortable to say I am pro DP, however after reading what that stepdad did to that poor little girl, then bloody hell, that is almost worst than murder, it is a life sentence for that poor child.

Being a parent, I know what I would want to do. I don’t mean to take away from victims of murder, all I mean is that having to live with that misery, do you ever get over it. Situations like that lead victims into depression, or worse suicide because it must be impossible to deal with. I can’t even imagine, I feel like I have led such a sheltered life.

By the way in NZ child rapist etc are also separated from the general population for the same reasons, lots of gang members in our prisons are dads and are in prison for other reasons than harming children, these types wouldn’t survive a day in there if they were not segregated (although would that be a bad thing??!!-serious arse whipping or worse!) Well let’s hope we keep up with the topic(s) on hand and everyone feels free to voice their opinions. Again good call Big Sis.

Left by Catherine from NZ on June 26th, 2008 at 2:51 am

A program was screened last night in the UK about the murder of Sarah Payne.

Sarah was 8 years old when she was abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered by Roy Whiting.

Whiting had already been convicted of sexually assaulting another girl and was given four years prison even though a psychiatrist said he would re-offend.

This is the state of the UK criminal justice system.

Whiting has been given a minimum of 50 years to serve.

So what is the point of keeping this piece of shit alive ?
I’d be very interested to see how Dors and Tom argue this one.
8 years old, an innocent who’s life was robbed from her and unimaginable pain and suffering for her parents and siblings.

We should bring back public executions and punishment. Maybe when the scum bags see people being flogged and hanged on prime time tv they will think twice before commiting a crime.

Whiting doesn’t deserve to live and i defy anyone who says he does.

Left by Pathetic on June 26th, 2008 at 4:21 am

Big Sis,
Glad to know they have set another date, but still feel for you, knowing that the way the system has been played, that you can’t have a degree of certainty.
Hang and maintain, young lady!
Hood will be punished for his horrible crimes.

Left by no2liberals on June 26th, 2008 at 4:30 am

For those who aren’t familiar with the story, now seems a good time to bring back Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs.
/woof

Left by no2liberals on June 26th, 2008 at 4:33 am

Wow, workman, it took you all of two seconds to start shit again. Can’t say I’m surprised. You and others fling it and then only start whining when it splashes back on you. When have you ever posted on the topic at hand? You repeat Hood’s arguments who at one time they tried to pass off as a retard and when confronted with the fact that your arguments are contrary to law, you repeat them again. When you’re not doing that, you are giving various people tongue baths. You’re not even subtle about it.

Why did workman cross the road?
Because his dick was stuck in the chicken

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 5:41 am

Catherine from NZ: Grow up.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 5:43 am

[...] Frank wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptEvery time someone mentions Darby’s name it triggers something inside of your head and you react. You have the mentality of a 12 year. It is important for you notice these signs of mental illness before you re-offend and get help. … [...]

Left by » Comment on Open Thread for Death Penalty Comments by take your … on June 26th, 2008 at 5:49 am

When the news was talking about the courts decision, they also had a victim of child rape, I could see his point also….. that most offenders are someone they knew…. and yes in my opinon would put the victim thru more hurt as they would have to relive it all again and would just wish to “put it behind” them and get on with their lives.

I still say throw them in General population and let their peers deal with it, It certainly would be justified in my book. They are preditors and would keep reoffending causing more harm / death to innocent children. It is our duty as adults to protect our children, weather they are our own or someone elses.

Left by Big Sis on June 26th, 2008 at 7:13 am

As far detering people from commiting crimes especially serious ones and those against children we need to publicise the punishment.

For example say we have someone who kidnaps a child and abuses them. The public hears about it as is horrified etc. The person gets caught and is sentenced to prison.
Thats it as far as the public is concerned and they carry on as normal.

Now if the person was to be publicy punished and this broadcast to the nation surely the impact of seeing a convicted criminal being flogged or put in stocks for all to see would act as a much greater deterrent.

Depending on the severity of the crime they could be punished like this once a week / once a month etc.

Left by Pathetic on June 26th, 2008 at 9:59 am

I say daily…. as they abused their victims on a daily basis, tit for tat… whats good for the goose is good for the gander……

Left by Big Sis on June 26th, 2008 at 10:24 am

I understand the emotion, Big Sis, of wishing to see their punishment more in line with what they did to the victims, and can even understand putting the condemned to death in the same manner they used. However, we do have a constitution, which I have sworn an oath to defend, several times, and the rules provide for justice, while preserving the greater society from becoming debased by it, contrary to some anti-capital punishment defenders claim.
To me, the biggest problem we face is that the process is manipulated, so that cretins like Hood, can play the system, and as the saying goes, justice delayed is justice denied. It is unfair to you, the other family and friends of your beloved sister, and to society at large, that Hood has been allowed to be an oxygen thief for almost twenty years.
Oh for saner times, such as the fate of President McKinley’s assassin. He was executed fifty four days after he shot the President. That’s swift and certain justice!

Left by no2liberals on June 26th, 2008 at 10:54 am

First off No2Liberals….. Thank you for your sworn oath to defend our consitution, if not for you and the others like you I would not have the freedoms I have, like writing in this post. Yes the rules of our constitution provide for justice for those who abide by them… there are always those who will try to go around or find technicallity to manipulate it. Indeed Justice delayed is justice denied….. but rest assured Justice does win, sometimes sooner, sometimes later but in the end I feel that Justice is ALWAYS served…. one way or the other.

The new ruling the courts made was a step in the right direction to help stop the manipulation of our justice system, so that justice will not be delayed. I understand that the “wolves” of society have rights , but to manipulate and abuse the system is wrong. The punishment should fit the crime indeed…… especially when children are involved.

I found the artical of the sheep, sheepdogs and wolves very enjoyable.

Amen for saner times……. Justice should be swift, not such a long drawn process as some have made it.

Since the 4th of July is around the corner…. Everyone have a safe and happy one…. and if you have the opportunity , don’t forget our servicemen and women who have made it possible.

Left by Big Sis on June 26th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Pathetic,
You are PATHETIC. Your suggestions of public flogging are too repulsive to comment on. Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran, you’ll fit right in there and if you’re lucky you may even catch a stoning

Before you criticise the UK justic system look up Steven Stayner. As for Sarah Payne it was an incomprehensible crime and a devastating tragedy. Roy Whiting is serving his PUNISHMENT. Because we are a society that seeks justice not revenge.

As for paedophilia it is a sickness, an impulse like all sexual proclivities hence why the recidivism rates are so high. The sick tragedy of this vicious circle is that most paedophiles are former victims of abuse.

regarding ’swift justice’ I think it would be better than what the victims families and the DR inmates are currently subjected to. Condemned and stored like corpses in terrible conditions as they wait to find out if they will be dying in an hour, a month or another few years. This certainly is cruel and unusual punishment. But then I think of the cases where people have been released after serving twenty years on DR due to witnesses agendas being exposed or scientific developments so maybe that time is necessary for certainty, if there can ever really be such a thing. Hence why I don’t feel we should be imposing irreversible sentences with a flawed system.

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Some further reading on exonerated inmates. Should they have been served ’swift justice’?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/577754.html

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=110

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/09/MNGALCM85L1.DTL

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Before you criticise the UK justic system look up Steven Stayner.

That’s right. A crime sentenced under the laws that were on the books 36 years ago is oh so relevant. Back then, leftards thought sex offenders and pedophiles could be cured and sentences were way too light. As a result of Stayner, the sentences were greatly increased. Today, Parnell would get a lwop sentence for each victim, plus, hundreds of years for the sex offenses. When Parnell offered to pay $100 for a five year old boy, he was arrested, tried, and sentenced to life in prison, plus. A couple of years ago leftards and your pto friends, tried to change the law which would have resulted in Parnell being released. Fortunately, they were given a sound thrashing at the polls.

The UK, unfortunately, still gives their sex offenders a slap on the hand. As I understand it, Whiting is eligible for release someday.

On an up note, Parnell died in January and is currently in hell and no amount of repenting could have changed it.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

Anon,
is Michael Jackson recent enough for you? How about all your religious cults that regularly sexually abuse minors?

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

Try coming up with cases where there is an actual conviction, because I am sure that perverts who are acquitted in the UK are not imprisoned either. Gotta love your critical thinking skills!

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

1. Ronald Gene Taylor didn’t even come close to being executed. He was convicted in 1995 and was still going through the appellate process when the crime lab scandal broke which pretty much put the kabash on his case going forward until the evidence was retested.

3. Your third link isn’t even to a death penalty case.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

My point is that Jackson wasn’t convicted!!! Despite the overwhelming evidence he bought his way out. Is that the price tag you place on a child’s innocence?

I note you don’t comment on the 99 other cases in the 2nd article. yes, the 3rd is a general article on exonerations not specific to DR but showing how many years wrongly convicted men spent in prison.

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

One, who knows what your point is most of the time because you rarely make sense. Unfortunately, the jury believed there wasn’t overwhelming evidence because the victims and their family were not credible. Are you now advocating that we throw out the jury system? Two, I assure you that if I sat on that jury I would have convicted. One could never say the same about you.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

Pedophiles are sick individuals, there is no cure for their sickness. except maybe a lobotomy! I doubt that public humiliation would change anything in individuals that have no respect for other beings, yes that means dogs, cats, and others…..

They are a great menace to society and have to be dealt with, I think that those who do irrepreable harm to children don’t deserve to breathe, the courts will do what they do…. I don’t have to agree with it. As for those who murder… there is no doubt in my heart they should be executed.

Left by Big Sis on June 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

One, who knows what your point is most of the time because you rarely make sense. The topic is the death penalty, not acquitted perverts.

Unfortunately, the jury believed there wasn’t overwhelming evidence because they found the victims and their family not credible witnesses. Are you now advocating that we throw out the jury system? I assure you that if I sat on that jury I would have convicted. One could never say the same about you.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

I note you don’t comment on the 99 other cases in the 2nd article. yes, the 3rd is a general article on exonerations not specific to DR but showing how many years wrongly convicted men spent in prison.

One, you note wrong. Two, stick to the death penalty. You’re expanding the topic because you know you are losing.

The so called innocence list has been eviscerated numerous times. I posted a comment with numerous links demonstrating the inaccuracies and blatant fabrications. However, the blog software won’t allow multiple links. I’ll break it up and try it again:

1. “Case Histories: A Review of 24 Individuals Released from Death Row”, Florida Commission on Capital Cases, 6/20/02, Revised 9/10/02 at Link

83% error rate in “innocent” claims.

2. “Is ‘the innocence list’ an appropriate name?”, 1/19/03
FRANK GREEN, TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Link

Dieter admits they don’t discern between legal innocence and actual innocence.

3. CRITIQUE OF DPIC LIST (”INNOCENCE:FREED FROM DEATH ROW”), Ward Campbell, http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DPIC.htm

70% error rate in claims of innocence.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

4. “The Death Penalty Debate in Illinois”, JJKinsella,6/2000, Link

70% error rate in claims of innocence.

5. THE DEATH PENALTY - ALL INNOCENCE ISSUES, Dudley Sharp Link

Origins of “innocence” fraud, and review of many innocence issues

6. “Bad List”, Ramesh Ponnuru, National Review, 9/16/02
Link

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

7. “Not so Innocent”, By Ramesh Ponnuru,National Review, 10/1/02
Link

8. Deadly Innocence.
http://bilges.blogspot.com/2005/12/deadly-innocence.html

Many thanks to Dudley Sharp who states that the 123 released from death row after innocence was proven is a blatant fraud, easily uncovered by the rare act of fact checking. Possibly, 25 actual innocents have been released from death row, or 0.3% of those sentenced to death after 1973. All of those were released after post conviction review. That’s a 99.7% success rate in actual guilty findings and 100% of the actual innocent were released.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1023074.html

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42706

“This case highlights the serious and rampant flaws inherent in the death penalty,” said American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) lawyer Cassandra Stubbs, who represented Jones. If the system was incapable of protecting the innocent, it “shouldn’t gamble with life and death”.

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Some nice pictures of a botched execution:

http://executions.justsickshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/davis-florida-elecric-chair-execution.jpg

http://executions.justsickshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/davis-florida-elecric-chair-execution-botched.jpg

http://executions.justsickshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/davis-florida-elecric-chair-execution-botched-2.jpg

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

1. There are insufficient facts in the article to determine whether this is a true case of innocence. Not that it will stop you and the various antideath penalty advocates from claiming it is. This case is only two months old so I have no doubt it will get a more critical analysis by someone who does have the ability to review the entire record. Nevertheless, the case was reversed on appeal and the DA dismissed. So, your argument that the system doesn’t work once again fails.

2. Blair was convicted in 1994. The claim that he was almost executed in 1999 is b.s. I would also point out that it was the Collin County DA’s Office that re- investigated the little girl’s murder and spent 5,000 work hours and $50,000 in doing so, resulting in the charges being dismissed. So, once again the system works. Of course, the fact that Blair is a serial child molester and has been sentenced to 4 life sentences is cough, irrelevant. Though these days most people would prefer that he was executed.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Some nice pictures of a botched execution:

Yawn. If the murderer is dead, it’s not botched. Every body has seen your photos many times before. No one really cares that he had a nose bleed. But what was really “justsickshit” and that you and your ilk always omit is what this guy did:

Fatty Allen Lee Davis was convicted of killing a pregnant Jacksonville woman and her two young daughters on May 11, 1982. Davis was convicted of murdering Nancy Weiler, a Westinghouse executive’s wife in Jacksonville who was three months pregnant when she was killed in 1982. Mrs. Weiler was “beaten almost beyond recognition,” with a .357, hit over 25 times in the face and head. Her 9-year-old daughter Kristina was tied up and shot twice in the face, and her 5-year-old daughter Katherine was shot as she was trying to run away and then her skull was beaten in with the gun.

Probably one of the more disgusting murders I’ve read. I think of that poor little five year old trying to get away from this monster that you have chosen to make your poster boy. Have you no decency?

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Anon, whether you believe in every case or not there is still sufficient evidence to question whether everyone on death row is guilty of the crime they have been convicted of. That is unacceptable.

Here’s yet another one where a bent cop seems the prime suspect:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Archive/search?searchType=archives&Search=Jimmy%20Fennell

“The fight goes well beyond winning a new trial for Rodney. The United States is alone among industrialized democratic countries in its use of capital punishment, and Texas has become an icon for this barbaric practice. Rodney Reed is only one of 391 people on death row in Texas, many of whom have experienced the similar miscarriages of justice. If we see the flaws in Rodney’s case, we must begin to call the entire institution into question”.

Dana Cloud, professor at The University of Texas

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Fatty Allen Lee Davis was a deranged murderer! What is the state’s excuse for creating this gruesome spectacle?

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Fatty Allen Lee Davis was a deranged murderer! What is the state’s excuse for creating this gruesome spectacle?

1. Nosebleeds aren’t gruesome.

2. It was created by Fatty’s fat and high blood pressure which his fat also contributed to. What was his excuse for being so fat?

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Anon, yet again you seem incapable of having a mature debate. Instead you try to cause trouble to create a childish exchange of insults. What’s your excuse for being so fat?

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

Here’s yet another one where a bent cop seems the prime suspect:

You mean here is another b.s. case? After granting a habeas corpus hearing and considering additional evidence, the CCA will decide whether to grant a new trial or not. Yep, the system works great. So, again your argument fails that an innocent person was executed and that the appellate system doesn’t work. Frankly, I agree with the findings of the trier of fact at the habeas hearings — Reed’s evidence was not credible.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Anon, yet again you seem incapable of having a mature debate. Instead you try to cause trouble to create a childish exchange of insults. What’s your excuse for being so fat?

I am having a very mature debate. Anyone less mature would tell you to take a hike because you refuse to keep focused and slap up anything you find without reading or understanding it.

As to calling Fatty Davis fat, if you don’t like me insulting the murderer of little girls and pregnant women — too bad. Since I am not fat, I don’t need an excuse for being so fat. If you are going to blame a simple nosebleed on the state when the cause was Fatty Davis’ fatness, then you have made Fatty’s weight an issue. What’s your excuse for being so fat?

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

Anon,
I’ve read all of those articles. As i said, sufficient evidence to question the entire institution! As everyone on this thread has concurred you are a sad, bitter individual so I think you are:

A: Really obese
B: And / or very ugly

In either case you’re so not getting any, are ya!

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

Oh those weren’t that bad…. I’ve seen worse come in through the E.R.

Left by RRT/RPSGT on June 26th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Everyone I know on this thread and elsewhere thinks you are a fool and so desperate and lonely that you have to trawl death row for attention from murderers. Since you are a scumpal, it’s pretty much a given that you are the one who is fat and ugly. Unfortunately for you, the scumpals on death row will still cheat on you and dump you. What’s the matter DoDo? Tired of being proved wrong all the time? Get use to it.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Please… as you well know I am not and never have been involved in anything other than a platonic relationship with DR inmates. Is that tacky innuendo all you have left to resort to? I do care about them though and I will defend those like Justen and Devin against spastics like you.

You are so desperate for attention that you need to pick fights with anyone who will listen on a blog! You’ve even been dumped by the other pros!

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

Nope. I don’t know that at all. In fact, I have heard just the opposite about you. So far, you have done a horrible job at defending anyone against me or anyone else. Your advocacy on behalf of Hall and Bennett will undoubtedly rush them to the gurney. Thanks! Posting facts to counter your lies is neither picking a fight nor a need for attention. It’s simply wanting the record set straight on the death penalty and the culpability of the people you pretend to champion .

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

Nope. I don’t know that at all. In fact, I have heard just the opposite about you

Ha! Back that allegation up. Oh, what a surprise, you can’t.

You don’t post facts, you insult and try to cause trouble.

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Ha! Back that allegation up.

Ha! This from the woman who has repeatedly made wild unsupported assertions about the death penalty, our criminal justice system, and the guilt of murderers without any proof and has still produced the four names of her scumpals. So, you start backing it up.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

Prove your allegation! Come on.

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

You have a habit of editing your posts making it difficult to respond. Why doesn’t that surprise me?

I’ve posted numerous facts that countered your assertions. I’m sure that causes you immense trouble - good. As I’ve said, when you insult me, don’t complain if it comes back to you.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Prove your allegation! Come on.

Prove yours. Every allegation you made, I shot down. And give me the names of your four scumpals. You made numerous allegations about how they were innocent and being treated unfairly, boo hoo hoo. Each time I asked you to put up or shut up. Now, you come on. What are their names.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Different opinions don’t cause me any trouble and provide a rich debate. Aggressive idiots who resort to insulting when they can’t think of anything else to say disrupt that dialogue and lower the tone.

My last post is only difficult for you to respond to because you have nothing to back up your accusations. If you did you would say it!

Now, stop wasting everybody’s time and come back when you have grown up and learned how to debate rather than argue. Don’t question me again until you have evidence to support your claims that come from nowhere but your dirty mind.

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

When you assert your opinions as fact, they are no longer opinions and you better be prepared to back them up. Simply posting a link to an article that is easily disproved or off topic is not backing up with facts.

I have no difficulty responding to anything you say. It’s boring but not difficult. But for someone who fails to back up anything she says, you are in no position to make demands of others. Give me the names of your scumpals. If you weren’t lying about them, you would post them.

Why don’t you come back when can actually back up your arguments with facts and logic, which will probably be never. And considering it has to be around 2 a.m. where you live, you have nothing better to do than to try to b.s. and bluster your way through the subject matter and are obviously without a warm body to keep you company. No surprise there.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Yet again with the personal insults! Because you have nothing else to say. There were some interesting posters earlier and I was hoping they would come back, as usual you have dominated and offered no insight into anything.

How do you know where I am? You know nothing.

Left by Dors77 on June 26th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

Now, stop wasting everybody’s time and come back when you have grown up and learned how to debate rather than argue. Don’t question me again until you have evidence to support your claims that come from nowhere but your dirty mind.

Uh, you are the one who wasted everyone’s time with the dpic nonsense.
You are the one who wasted everyone’s time by bringing up Stayner and Jackson.
You are the one who wasted everyone’s time claiming that Fatty ’s nose bleed was cruel and unusual punishment.
And you are the one who wasted everyone’s time by misrepresenting every link you posted or case you referred to.

And don’t question me until you have evidence to support your numerous false claims about the dp and the criminal justice system and you post the full names of your 4 scumpals.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

Yet again with the personal insults!

That’s what happens when you insult other people — they insult you back.

Because you have nothing else to say. There were some interesting posters earlier and I was hoping they would come back, as usual you have dominated and offered no insight into anything.

I have responded to your posts. You are the one who has dominated and offered no insight. You fool no one by pretending that you do.

How do you know where I am? You know nothing.

You’ve posted several times that you live in London, fool!

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

Dors: It’s in the middle of the night where you are and it is obvious you are drinking. Go to bed.

Left by Anonymous on June 26th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Furthermore, not depriving rights from those who have forfeited them leads to deprivation of rights from the innocent. If murderers can kill their victims with impunity or merely receive free upkeep for life at taxpayers’ expense - known as “life imprisonment”- as a result, no disincentive will exist against such actions. Innocents will perish, and the guilty will walk free or be comfortably incarcerated. It is no wonder that today - with even the infrequent death sentence taking an average of 11 years to be carried out - murder is rampant. Instead of abolishing capital punishment, I would suggest eliminating amnesties, excessive and frivolous appeals, and unwarranted compassion for those who have none.

The Capital Punishment Imperative.
Excellent piece, and one in which I am in total agreement.

Left by no2liberals on June 26th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

Excellent piece, and one in which I am in total agreement.

n2l has to broaden his horizons, but whitout tv, ny times, hollywood and being a total ‘old’ historic creature, whe do not expect much..

Left by Jacques on June 26th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

I’m so proud I do not live in the US with all their BS.. You just go kill each other, I do not fuckin’ care..

Next trip on my motorcycle will be a 3 month journey through Texas, and robbie, mini cooper, I’ll sure stop at your place.

[Editor --- Let me know when you get here, fuck stick. I'll give you my address. Feel free to stop by anytime.]

Left by Jacques on June 26th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

Dors77, you’re right but you’ve to stop commenting to ano’s on this blog. Those ano’s are backwards barbaric retards. Your opinion has great value, maybe not to the rep. ano. commenters on this blog, but either way.. it has! Thank you.

Left by Jacques on June 26th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

Then stay the fuck out of our country, if you don’t like the US, Jack.
It irrates me that you put your 2 cents in and you don’t even live here… adopting a holier than thou attitude about your country, clean up your own back yard before you start on your neighbors. It’s discusting.

who is mini cooper anyways? God the topic of the DP is a hot one.

I really just wanted to say it’s been an education. I had to look at the “botched execution” pics and I’ve seen worse after a Friday night fight at the bar.

september 10th sure seems a long ways away.

Left by big sis on June 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Big Sis, JacqAzz is an ankle biting commie, and a pitiful troll. He lives in a country with legalized euthansia, legalized prostitution, legalized drugs, and drops to it’s knees to Islam when Islam says boo. You’re right, his opinion on matters here are meaningless.

It’s been a while since Shakespeare has insulted JacqAzz, but his wait is over.

Thou art sick in the world’s regard, wretched and low, a poor unminded outlaw sneaking home.

Left by no2liberals on June 26th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Woa Anonymous, You sure do know how to cause trouble. Just want you to know that I know who you are. You answer for everyone and will not keep your trap shut. If you were on a Jury, you would convict anyone just because they are on trial. You are not a fair person at all and you discust me, and I imagine anyone else who you come in contact with as well. Take your medicine and if you don’t have any, go score some. Your take on life is as useless as you are. It’s people like you that make others not want the DP simply because you think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why don’t you let others have their opinions without always jumping in telling them how wrong they are. You simply do not know how to debate. Gotta run now.

Left by Tom Workman on June 26th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

JacqAzz is just following the lead of his dhimmified government.
Cracking Down On Those Dangerous Bloggers.
The dark overlords of Dutch Islamization are pleased, as must be JacqAzz.

Left by no2liberals on June 26th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Holly cow that Jacques guy sure is something Im not even from United States and I want to give him a 1,2,3 “Stupid Eurotrash” Dors said in an earlier post that most of Europe think that America is a joke{right back at you babe}

Left by God Bless north America on June 27th, 2008 at 12:33 am

Thanks Jacques!

No2Liberals, you at least make sincere arguments but you have placed yourself in a time capsule by refusing to even watch modern movies etc - before you taunt Jacques about Muslims bear in mind that you are soon to have a Muslim / Christian president.

God Bless America, it isnt just Europe, it’s most of the World. From the dumb ass, illiterate President to barbaric laws like the DP. I always loved the USA but let’s face it, most outside it don’t these days.

[Editor --- What does President Bush have to do with the DP? You do understand that it is a states right? Don't you? As for our President being a "dumb ass" and illiterate? Do you know how fucking stupid this makes you sound? President Bush graduated from Yale with higher grades than John Kerry (and a higher tested, IQ as well). I'm betting you couldn't even fill out a Yale application properly, much less be accepted. He's also trained to fly fighter jets. You have absolutely no idea how much intelligence and mental acuity it takes to do that.

And I think you are confusing our "barbaric" laws with those of Sharia.]

Big Sis, I know you lost your sister and I feel terrible for that but before you start telling people from outside the USA not to comment why don’t you Americans stop invading other countries exporting your ‘unique brand of democracy’! The USA interferes with everyone else so welcome to it. Why shouldn’t they have a right to question you?

Maybe if those pictures had been accompanied by the smell of burning flesh they would have had more effect on you. Despite the blood thirsty attitude prior to executions the witnesses are the first to get upset and demand the curtain is pulled when things go wrong and it gets ugly and appears as what it is - the murder of another human being.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 2:22 am

dors77 Thanks Jacques for what threatning Robbie? Dors your just not attacking people on this site you are attacking all Americans. Not sure what your mission is but you are not standing on a world podium. Why does it matter so much to you what these 20 some people think. No one here that I’m aware works in government what change can you possibly make by participating on this website. If you want change your in the wrong forum. Or do you just come hear to bitch about what you dislike about Americans?You are starting to sound like a real head case. You are boderline fanatic on trying to change people’s opinion on the DP.
Also have a bit of respect for Big Sis you didn’t have to write what you did you couldn’t have just ignored her comment just show a bit of character next time and think before you post don’t you have any shame?

Left by neighbors to the north on June 27th, 2008 at 4:14 am

Neighbours, it isn’t about the 20 people on here it’s about the many more that might stumble across this thread before they have considered all sides to form an opinion. This is but one of twenty ways I am opposing Capital Punishment. Am I fanatical - hell yeah! People are dying in a conveyor belt of executions or losing their minds in your prisons.

I’m not anti-American, I am simply pointing out the international sentiment, the PR legacy of the Bush administration and the death penalty. I was also illustrating the hypocrisy of telling Europeans not to comment on US business when you involve yourselves constantly in the affairs of other countries.

I have expressed my sympathy and compassion for Big Sis on numerous occasions. That doesn’t make her immune from challenges to comments she has made.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 6:43 am

can someone please block dors? Stay off this blog ur not welcome here. Cant wait till sept 10th

Left by dixie on June 27th, 2008 at 6:54 am

Well it seems that the US has helped alot of other countries. We fight for Freedom and the rights of others. Like I said if you don’t like it here dont come here…. as for your comments/opinions they are yours so what….. your entitled to them. Since you think that we are always in someone elses business… the next time some dictatorship comes knocking at your door…..DONT CALL US TO HELP YOU.

Your expression of sympathy is appreciated. I also know that I am not immune from challenges on the comments I make. I am a big girl.

We will forever agree to disagree on the DP. Its just the way it is.

As for the conveyor belt theory…… it moves very slowly… since Hood has been on DR for almost 20 yrs. He and others like him don’t deserve the right of life. They are like rabid dogs that are a danger to society and have to be put down. It was thru their own actions that they are where they are. They did it to themselves and cry and whine about how they are treated….. they didn’t consider the treatment they dished out to the victims now did they.

All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder my dear……

I plan on looking Hood in the eyes while he is put down, like the animal he is.
As for the smell of burning flesh it’s a smell I am very much familiar with. Working in a burn unit.

Left by Big Sis on June 27th, 2008 at 7:29 am

Big Sis,

If you are referring to WW2 please remember the UK took a stand against Hitler and the Nazis long before the US grew a conscience and stepped in. Despite our size we kept them at bay for years against incredible odds. Lately it is the British who have had to step in to support the USA and add legitimacy and military experience to your various wars. For our allegiance we have endured 7/7 and our soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan (too frequently as a result of friendly fire).

I am not anti-American, I believe there is a lot more of merit to the US than its foreign policy and capital punishment but I have never seen anti-American sentiment as rife as it is at present on a global level and you should be aware of it and less hypocritical when you criticise the international community for taking an interest in your philosophies.

I don’t know Charles Hood at all but I can conclude that he isn’t a rabid dog, he is not an animal. He is a human being whether anyone likes it or not. I can see that you are not a callous woman, if you work in a burn unit then you must be dedicated to the preservation of life beneath the justifiable anger at your sister’s tragic and unnecessary death.

We will never agree on the DP but I can completely understand you having such strong views. They are motivated by grief rather than the morbid fascination and lynch mob fervour that many here seem to have.

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with Charles does give you the closure you seek. I’m so sorry you lost Traci.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 7:53 am

Lately it is the British who have had to step in to support the USA and add legitimacy and military experience to your various wars. For our allegiance we have endured 7/7 and our soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan (too frequently as a result of friendly fire).
I am not anti-American, …

HaHaHaHa!

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 8:13 am

bear in mind that you are soon to have a Muslim / Christian president.

DORS, you better watch out, Tom will sick the chicken hatchlings on you.
As for refusing to watch modern movies, I never said that. I refuse to go to the theaters and pay to watch them so that my money doesn’t find it’s way into the pockets of too many people that I despise. If I have to wait for two years to see it free, big deal, it’s just Hollyweird make believe play acting anyway.
Then you want to call our President illiterate, and our dp barbaric, and state them as fact, when they are only your distorted opinion. You are just a sold out close-minded leftist ideologue, nothing more.
Yeah, everybody hates America, it’s still the same refrain…“Yankee Go Home, And Take Me With You!”
Just remember, when Iraq was re-invaded, there were over forty countries involved in that coalition, including the UK.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 8:20 am

No2Liberals,

Bush makes an ass of himself and demonstrates his ignorance and illiteracy every time he opens his mouth. His gaffes have been caught on camera loads of times and screened to the world. That is not my opinion, it is a fact.

I would describe the state being engaged in storing a human being for years of uncertainty about whether he will die tonight, tomorrow or in a decade, in a tiny cell alone for 23hrs a day then solitary ‘recreation’ in a small, spartan cage for an hour a day with no social interaction until madness consumes their minds and they are finally displayed like defenceless, stuffed trophies before ogling witnesses for the act of cold blooded, premeditated murder as barbaric. Is there another way to define it? How about cruel and unusual punishment?

The UK contribution is vastly more significant than the other co-allition nations and we are the key partner.

Anon, the UK army has policed the most volatile countries on the planet for centuries. Of course we have more experience.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 8:59 am

Bush makes an ass of himself and demonstrates his ignorance and illiteracy every time he opens his mouth.

Then you two have a lot in common.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 9:05 am

Bush makes an ass of himself and demonstrates his ignorance and illiteracy every time he opens his mouth.

Well, if you feel that way, then you two have a lot in common.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 9:17 am

Bush makes an ass of himself and demonstrates his ignorance and illiteracy every time he opens his mouth. His gaffes have been caught on camera loads of times and screened to the world.

Only to those who look for and expect that from him. He is neither ignorant or illiterate, as any one with a shred of honesty knows.
So he has made gaffes, what of it? He has his own style as does everyone. Just because he doesn’t have a commanding speaking style is not indicative of his intellect. A few days ago you referred to Sean Penn as intelligent and well spoken, so I should have taken in consideration your perspective. You have BDS, plain and simple.
As for W’s gaffes, at least he doesn’t have a webpage dedicated to them, as does Baracka Hussein Obama.
Your empathy for the condemned and the situation they have placed themselves in is unmoving. If they wouldn’t try and weasel their way out of their punishment for their crimes, they wouldn’t stay in a box for twenty years. Our system works very well in proving guilt or innocence, and the lengthy stays on death row are not the responsibility of the state, but of the condemned and their lawyers.
As for your antecdotal story about the Brit executioner, I find his statement is not a universal profundity, but rather one of a moribund individual, experiencing burn out.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 9:20 am

Bush doesn’t have A website dedicated to his gaffes. He has millions, hours and hours of documentaries, satire shows, news footage and feature films. People have built their careers on mocking Bush. He’s provided so much material…Excuseable for an individual but unacceptable for the leader of the USA.

Pierrepoint was burnt out, haunted and totally opposed to capital punishment by the end. I imagine he would spin in his grave if he heard that victims relatives and the media were witnessing executions, consider it highly inappropriate and vulgar. Reminiscent of when we used to display the decapitated heads of our executed on sticks on London Bridge in the dark ages.

DR inmates are discouraged from not pursuing their appeals, it is considered ’suicide’. They are just following the natural order by fighting for their survival, why is the system so slow and convoluted?

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 9:36 am

Obama is a horrible speaker when he doesn’t have a prompter in front of him.

The mind of a scumpal.

Oh, you have to read this. The scumpal of Peter Cantu, one of the murderers of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena said:

These two girls didn’t suffer 15 years so don’t even dare to compare them to Peter. Their fate pales in comparison to his.

These two girls were raped - vaginally, orally, and anally. They were pissed on, beaten, jumped on, strangled, and murdered.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 9:45 am

I agree that’s twisted. As I’ve said the majority of people who write to DR inmates are benevolent, reasonable individuals who are opposed to capital punishment but not to punishment. There is a small but vocal minority who do it for all the wrong reasons…

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 9:51 am

Maybe you should read up on Hood then if you are unfamiliar with his case…… He is an animal, a bad one at that. I love my country and would live NO WHERE ELSE. This is the land of opportunity, there is a very diverse ethnicity.

the so called humans on death row have no regard for other human life…… there for they are animals and should be forever exited from society…… how about the inmates who kill others with in the system, that is why they are isolated from the rest as it should be.

Murdering pieces of shit don’t deserve a comfortable existance within the system. If you think that their treatment is inhumane what about all the dogs and cats in shelters that are put to death… are you opposed to that also or just DR inmates?
I do value life… it is a precious gift, but there are those who hold no value for it.
Do you like supporting these animals with your tax dollars? I don’t… I would rather see my tax dollars put to better use…. such as health insurance for those that are uninsured or underinsured… to feed, shelter the homeless. Provide the basics for human exsistance…..
Inmates are housed, fed, provided medical care, legal help…….

Left by Big Sis on June 27th, 2008 at 9:52 am

Hood’s latest missive is that the judge and DA were having a sexual illicit affair during the trial because Holland and the attorneys were going into chambers extremely often without the court reporter and him.

There were four attorneys. Apparently, he thinks they were having an orgy and didn’t invite him.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 10:08 am

Big Sis,

Prison shouldn’t be ‘comfortable’ neither should it be torture. It should provide the basics required for physical and mental health e.g. a sanitary environment, edible food and forms of social interaction. What is the point of legal help if the defendant has gone insane in 24/7 solitary confinement?

LWOP is far cheaper than pursuing a capital case so lots of funds could be better allocated in it’s absence. I would want to know that my elected government and regional councils weren’t imposing torturous (which is how the sensory deprivation and social isolation in Texas death row is defined) on my fellow citizens regardless of what they had done. A civilised society should be above it.

DR inmates automatically go into AD Seg in Texas regardless of whether there is no record or evidence to suggest that they pose a threat to each other or the gen pop. Although yesterday you were happy for inmates to murder each other to deal with paedophiles? Do you approve of those murderers or should they hit the gurney as well?

I can understand how Charles Hood is beyond your compassion or forgiveness but not all DR Inmates are monsters. Some are there under the law of parties and didn’t kill anyone, others have admitted their guilt and are very remorseful and some are even innocent. The path to DR is different for each individual, they are not all alike and there are a myriad of reasons behind their predicament, some incomprehensible others worthy of understanding. You cannot compare Ted Bundy to an 18 year old who shot someone in a panic when a robbery went awry.

I donate to several animal charities and rescued both my cats from shelters. It sickens me how they are abandoned and abused.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 10:17 am

Excuseable for an individual but unacceptable for the leader of the USA.

Oh please.
This after eight years of the Horny Hick as President, we finally had a President that was more concerned with America, than his own crotch. It’s the actions of President Bush I agree with, concerning the GWOT, and cutting taxes. W didn’t do enough to reign in spending, or veto some legislation that I think he should have, but all in all, a very solid Presidency that will stand on it’s own accomplishments, irrespective of the shrill voices from the left.

BDS=Bush Derangement Syndrome:

the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 10:38 am

They are just following the natural order by fighting for their survival, why is the system so slow and convoluted?

Uhhh…you just answered your own question in reverse order. Our system is fair and just, and the condemned are the one’s drawing the process out. You really do need to think more, and emote less.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 10:41 am

irrespective of the shrill voices from the left.

And irrespective of the shrill voice of the foreign left. It really chaps their asses that we don’t care what they think of us.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 10:42 am

DR inmates automatically go into AD Seg in Texas regardless of whether there is no record or evidence to suggest that they pose a threat to each other or the gen pop

If you actually read, or were able to comprehend, one of the requirements for the death penalty is a continuing threat, thus that standard is established before they reach death row.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 10:44 am

Then why are they allowed to interact with each other outside of Texas DR?

There are also certain gen pop inmates who have consistently committed more violent crimes than certain DR inmates.

You misunderstood my point. The DR inmate is following the natural instinct for survival. The system should be less slow and convoluted so their ultimate fate can be resolved sooner.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 10:48 am

Then why are they allowed to interact with each other outside of Texas DR?

In what sense, before or after they are condemned?

And irrespective of the shrill voice of the foreign left. It really chaps their asses that we don’t care what they think of us.

I’ve never understood why any measure of our nations status is determined by what other countries citizens think of us. If they stopped trading with us, then I could understand, but they don’t, so any misinformed and media brainwashed voices about how horrible we are, are more a reflection of what they think of themselves, in my view.
Do the euros care that many of us see the train wreck coming if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified? Ireland had the good sense to have a referendum, and voted no to the EUSSR, which, according to EU requirements, should kill the power grab by unelected officials, but the other twenty seven countries are going forward with ratifying the treaty, and are seeking ways to get around the Irish no vote.
No, the euros can’t even see the problems they face in their own countries, but have the time to be advocates of a group of criminals they do not know, in a country which they don’t understand, and in a state they are completely unfamiliar with, as pertains to it’s criminal justice system.
Now that Germany, France, and Italy are starting to lean right in their politics, and with the UK PM soon to be replaced with a Tory, the attacks on W are ringing more and more hollow.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 10:58 am

It’s the actions of President Bush I agree with, concerning the GWOT, and cutting taxes. W didn’t do enough to reign in spending, or veto some legislation that I think he should have, but all in all, a very solid Presidency that will stand on it’s own accomplishments, irrespective of the shrill voices from the left.

He led America into the Iraq war which is another Vietnam. That is the legacy of Bush - thousands of dead American soldiers. And for what? A pack of lies.

David Cameron is anti-dp and has vowed to apply more pressure on the USA regarding this issue.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 11:01 am

You misunderstood my point.

As do you!
The system is imminently fair, and allows every opportunity for a person to prove their innocence, or at least a reasonable doubt. They know who they are, and are just playing the system. Most are life long weasels, by nature, and master manipulators, and will play the system as long as they can. If they would just pretend they knew what it was to be a man, fess up, and take their punishment, we all would be more satisfied with the process. I imagine you would be one of the loudest voices in protest, if the system were altered, and the innumerable appeals and reviews were removed, and swifter justice prevailed.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 11:02 am

Social interaction between DR inmates is allowed on other US Death Rows. The women have TV, work programs etc on Texas DR. Why don’t the men?

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 11:10 am

He led America into the Iraq war which is another Vietnam. That is the legacy of Bush - thousands of dead American soldiers. And for what?

What utter and total BullShit!
Just admit you are suffering with BDS.
Here is the proper way to look at it, he led our nation, and a coalition of nations, in removing two dysfunctional regimes, bringing representative democracy to over fifty million people. W followed the guidelines of the *spit*UN*spit*, which had issued seventeen unanimous resolutions condemning Saddam’s failure to live up to the truce signed at the end of the first invasion. Comparing Iraq to Viet Nam is one of the biggest deceits of the radical left, of which I am even more convinced you are a representative of. If Saddam had followed the requirements established in the truce, which he signed, there would have been no problems. How convenient the radical left forgets what the leftist in our Congress were doing and saying, about Iraq, until they saw political opportunities in changing their positions on Iraq. Perhaps you noticed, that Congress, which is a majority of leftists, just approved the Iraq/Afghanistan War Funding bill today, which funds the war beyond President Bush’s term. Could it be that most Americans still support the effort, especially after the significant gains, and the donks in Congress don’t see a political advantage to not funding it? You bet!
Oh, and don’t forget that yesterday was an important fifteen year anniversary for Iraq.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 11:14 am

He led America into the Iraq war which is another Vietnam. That is the legacy of Bush - thousands of dead American soldiers. And for what? A pack of lies.

President Bush acted on the information available to him at the time. I have no regrets about Iraq. We have had no more terrorist attacks at home. It doesn’t surprise me that you would support the murderous regime of Saddam.

David Cameron is anti-dp and has vowed to apply more pressure on the USA regarding this issue.

David who???

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 11:16 am

The women have TV, work programs etc on Texas DR. Why don’t the men?

Too many of them and men are much more violent than women. Contrary to your belief that they have the right to personal expression through arts and crafts, they are there to await execution.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 11:18 am

The Iraq war has created terrorists. Most Americans do not support it anymore. Saddam should have been removed during the first Gulf War in my opinion when he invaded his neighbour.

It is a disaster over there - as bad as it was before if not worse. I’ve discussed this with many US and UK soldiers who are thoroughly pissed off with the situation and don’t know why they are even there.

Obama knows who David Cameron is and cares deeply about restoring relations with the international community so I’m sure we will have his ear.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 11:21 am

See also, Congresses Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.

And what of the words of Democrats on Iraq?
DORS, your BDS and lack of knowledge on this topic is breathtaking, and you should stick to your emoting over death row inmates.
I don’t know why men and women are treated differently, but since you brought it up, I need to contact my legislator’s to see to it that the women receive the same treatment as the men. It’s only fair.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 11:25 am

Henh, she thinks B-HO is a lock down for President.
One thing you need to know about the American electorate, no President has ever been elected without the majority of white male vote, a demographic that B-HO has consistently and persistently showed his contempt and disdain for. That and most Americans aren’t Marxist.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 11:28 am

How old is McCain again? Will he last until the election?

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 11:32 am

It’s a disaster?
I know you don’t have good sources of info, but in case you haven’t noticed, Al Anbar province is being transferred to Iraqi government control this week. What a disaster!!!
If this war created terrorist, it was because they were so inclined from the bizarre and pathetic tome of Ol’Moh, the epileptic pedophile who gave us Islam. Terrorist have been around a long time, but one thing for certain is, the war in Iraq has sure killed a whole bunch of them.
Y’all have a good’un. Things to do in the meat world.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 11:34 am

Henh, of course he will.
How experienced is B-HO, and why won’t he produce an authentic copy of his birth certificate? And what of his terrorist friends? B-HO is an empty suit, that refuses to debate an old man. Poor B-HO, a mulatto that insists he is a black candidate.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 11:36 am

“Iraqi government’ ha!

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 11:38 am

Ha, that was fun!

And then we have this old Texas ‘hang ‘m all - shoot ‘m all’ guy who needs a great British writer for expressing an ‘insult’. How original! And he’s talking about ‘GeenStijl’ a huge Dutch blog (11 million comments in the last couple of years) addressing flaws (amongst other hot topics) in our systems. Boy, you don’t know what your talking about.

I’m sure as hell against the DP, it’s barbaric and backward. I do not want to live in such a frustrated society, luckily I do not have to. But on this blog people start countin’ days, cheer when someone is executed, willing to give him the chair, publicly hang him, show his execution on national tv, deny him and all others inmates to have any sort of life.. Pretty frightening, welcome back to the stone age.

And I can not comment in a US blog? Well, then you have to invade the country I was born and live in (Holland) first, to do that (or try to ban my IP address). Freedom of speech is something really important. You may thank Larry Flint for yours.

The whole world, including most of US citizens, thinks of Bush as an illiterate idiot. And that is a fact. But we’re talking DP here, okay: what about all those people dying in the US every day ’cause the do not have a health care insurance. Or even the people who have insurance but need to sell their house or take a second mortgage for paying for their care.

Those people get ‘an acknowledged society DP’. That ain’t fair. Backward system, as your justice system, as most of your systems - you do not evolve, you all are still stuck in the 1760’s.

I am pro euthanasia, legalized (soft) drugs, abortion, legalized prostitution, freedom of speech, public health care, public schooling, and last but not least I’m 100% against the DP and I’m glad I can use this blog so you know I am. Even if you don’t give a flyin’ whatever..

Oh, and about the US itself, I mean ‘mother nature’ - it’s beautiful - love to spend days and days riding a motorcycle through ‘your’ country. Why are all of you so unhappy, making such a mess of it - I wonder.

Now, don’t forget, have some fun y’all. Go out, do something, get-a-life.

Left by Jacques on June 27th, 2008 at 11:39 am

False face must hide what the false heart doth know.

Left by no2liberals on June 27th, 2008 at 11:42 am

The majority of Americans want the troops to stay until Iraq is stable no matter who is elected. I guess you’ve haven’t heard the surge is working. Can’t fault you for that since the media is loathe to report it. Neither Obama or some opposite leader in another country has any influence on the death penalty. Again, you have no understanding how our government works. Nevertheless, Obama has not only voiced support for the DP (again, not that it matters) but also spoke up against for executing those who rape children. So, if you think he is some great black hope, you are going to be sorely disappointed.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 11:42 am

Neither Obama nor some opposition leader in another country has any influence on the death penalty.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 11:43 am

How old is McCain again? Will he last until the election?

Is this a veiled threat against a presidential candidate? The british leftard media is famous for getting visits from the FBI.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 11:45 am

Jacques - you rock! Excellent post!!!

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Jacques & Dors77,

I would show some respect for the Americans , without whom you may be speaking German right now and saluting the Nazi’s.

Left by Justice on June 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Please… The UK made a stand way before you grew a conscience and got involved! We fought them off alone for years and if it wasn’t for us you wouldn’t even have a country. It was conceived and built by Europeans!

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

How much of a conscience did it take for the brits to sign away Czechoslovakia? Not very smart, either, since all you did is give Hitler more time to arm. You didn’t stand up to a european tyrant when it mattered most and sold out an entire country and it came back to bite you in the ass. So, knock off the fake morality – no one is buying it. And this country was built by europeans who rejected europe and all it stands for and we/they continue to reject it. Get over yourself.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

You are really grasping at straws now! All these diversions to get away from the fact that the DP is wrong, wrong, wrong!

The right wing nut argument like “Hey! I’d prefer not to support murderers, would you?” Does not reflect the complexity of the issue.

It should not be the business of government at any level to kill people in the absence of a clear and present danger to human life. A convicted killer who has been locked up does not constitute a danger to human life because they’re in jail, so there is no need to kill them and thus no legitimate justification for doing so. If the State says murder is wrong, the State must lead by example.

If killing is wrong, it is wrong for everyone and the State too. The death penalty is never appropriate, period. A civilized society incarcerates its worst criminals. It does not practice retributive justice.

Yes. These murderers should be allowed to live behind bars, facing their crimes. You are better off as a society showing more mercy than they did. It is the mark of a mature society.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

Uh, it’s you and your cohorts who are constantly interjecting the anti-American comments because you can’t debate the death penalty.

The simplistic right wing nut argument like “Hey! I’d prefer not to support murderers, would you?” Does not reflect the complexity of the issue.

Did you just call Big Sis a right wing nut? So much for your prior ass kissing. Personally, cost is irrelevant to me. And the only simplistic arguments come from those who oppose the death penalty.

And since we are a nation of laws and not a nation of the subjective beliefs of some twit in London, your arguments fail again.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

And for the record, there will be no cost savings by abolishing the death penalty. Without the dp, more murderers will refuse to plea bargain. Those sentenced to lwop also have the right to appeals same as the death penalty. Also, the anti capital punishment projects do not hide their intent to next attack lwop and life sentences. As far as the DP goes, it’s more money up front, less money in the long run. Nevertheless, I would never put a price on justice.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

That was an attack on you, not Big Sis. Stay on topic and argue the points. Here they are again since you ignored them before:

It should not be the business of government at any level to kill people in the absence of a clear and present danger to human life. A convicted killer who has been locked up does not constitute a danger to human life because they’re in jail, so there is no need to kill them and thus no legitimate justification for doing so. If the State says murder is wrong, the State must lead by example.

If killing is wrong, it is wrong for everyone and the State too. The death penalty is never appropriate, period. A civilized society incarcerates its worst criminals. It does not practice retributive justice.

Yes. These murderers should be allowed to live behind bars, facing their crimes. You are better off as a society showing more mercy than they did. It is the mark of a mature society.

Left by Dors77 on June 27th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Stay on topic and argue the points:

I do. You are the one who called Big Sis a right wing nut.

It should not be the business of government at any level to kill people in the absence of a clear and present danger to human life.

Wrong. Capital punishment is endorsed in our Constitution, so it is both the state and the federal government’s business.

A convicted killer who has been locked up does not constitute a danger to human life because they’re in jail, so there is no need to kill them and thus no legitimate justification for doing so.

Wrong. Convicted murderers murder prison workers, fellow inmates, escape and murder citizens, and greenlight murders outside the prison. And don’t forget the 3 to 18 murders that are deterred by each execution. That, in and in itself, is legitimate justification. Also, the fact that it is justice is also a legitimate justification.

If the State says murder is wrong, the State must lead by example.

Wrong. Execution is not murder.

If killing is wrong, it is wrong for everyone and the State too. The death penalty is never appropriate, period. A civilized society incarcerates its worst criminals. It does not practice retributive justice.

Wrong. Killing is not wrong. Under your logic, you would deny a person to kill in self defense. Murder is an illegal killing. Execution is not illegal and therefore not murder. The death penalty has been and continues to be the appropriate punishment for certain crimes.

Yes. These murderers should be allowed to live behind bars, facing their crimes. You are better off as a society showing more mercy than they did. It is the mark of a mature society.

No. They should be executed according to our laws. Mercy to those who deserve none, is cruelty to those who do. There is nothing mature about putting more value on the lives of murderers than the lives of the innocent.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

they do pose a threat…. to other inmates. Maybe they should open up devils island again and just throw them all there and let them fend for themselves and see how that goes would that be a better solution? Jail house justice?

well you all can continue to debate, I am getting a little bored with the redundancy of posts.

off for vacation in 1 hr!!!!!

Left by Big Sis on June 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

That was an attack on you, not Big Sis. Stay on topic and argue the points. Here they are again since you ignored them before:

One, I’ve never said cost was an issue for me personally, in fact, I’ve always said the opposite. Therefore, you are lying and your attack was on Big Sis.

Two, I never ignore your arguments but how many times do I have to respond to the same arguments you post over and over again? Nothing you post has not been posted by you before and soundly disproved. So, can it!

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Touche.
Honor all vets, I do.

A PIN DROP

When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by
the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example
of empire building.
He answered by saying, ‘Over the years, the United States has sent many
of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom
beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in
return is enough to bury those that did not return.
You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Then there was a conference in France where a number of international
engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a
break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying ‘Have
you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has d one? He has sent an aircraft
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intended
to do, bomb them?’ A Boeing engineer stood up and re plied quietly: ‘Our
carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred
people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical
power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity
to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several
thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry
half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to
and from t heir flight deck.. We have eleven such ships; how many does
France have? ‘

You could have heard a pin drop.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French
Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large
group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries.
Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a
French admiral suddenly complained that, ‘whereas Europeans learn many
languages, Americans learn only English.’ He then asked, ‘Why is it that
we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than
speaking French?’ Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied ‘May
be it’s because the Brits, Canadians , Aussies and Americans arranged it
so you wouldn’t have to speak German.’

You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE…

A group of Americans, retired teachers, recently went to France on a
tour. Robert Whiting, an elderly gentl eman of 83, arrived i n Paris by
plane..
At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his
carry on.
‘You have been to France before, monsieur?’ the customs officer asked
sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France
previously.
‘Then you should know enough to hav e your passport ready.’ The American
said, ‘The last time I was here, I didn’t have to show it.’ ‘Impossible
Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !’ The
American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly
explained. ‘Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in ‘44 to
help liberate this country, I couldn’t find any Frenchmen to show it
to.’

You could have heard a pin drop

What Is A Veteran?

A ‘Veteran’ — whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve –
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made
payable to ‘The United States of America,’ for an amount of ‘up to, and
including his life.’

That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today,
who no longer understand that fact.

–

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Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

Anonymous it will probably be a while before Dors answers your last post. She thinks inside of a box and Global thinking is not in her thought process.

keep up the good work Anonymous

Left by neighbors to the north on June 27th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

I am really happy to hear the date has been reset Big Sis!

Robbie…can we make the Forums..United States Citizens only. I am blown away at just how much better every Country thinks it is. I say we get smart and shut off all Foriegn policies and see how WONDERFUL all these other places are. It is unreal.

As for the President and USA bashers..Who honestly cares what you think about us..our President or Our Country. I am proud to be an American and more so I am proud to be a Christian American. You should try and find something more to do with your time like…Tea with your Queen..or Herion on the streets..or whatever it is you do to get through the existance you PEOPLE have drummed out for yourselves.

Robbie..great Forum…Big Sis..hang in there Girl…its coming!

Left by Joy on June 27th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Robbie…can we make the Forums..United States Citizens only.

Though jaki, dors, poopyfanta, bukkake, etc., are a-holes, other non-Americans who post here are not.

Left by Anonymous on June 27th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

Anon, as much as we have not agreed on ALOT of things I will say this, your last post was actually well written. Especially that last sentence. I believe it applies to not just the US but a lot of countries including my own.

Joy - I find it interesting listening to opinions from all walks of life from different countries. The US is known as a superpower and the international community are always hearing about you in the news so it is very hard not to form opinions. What the US does, can have a major affect on the rest of the world. So in turn people want to be informed more about what is going on, including your policies on a variety of different issues. Since I have entered this forum (as I have said before) it has really opened my eyes up to the DP and I find it very educating (and rather hilarous at times too), reading what others have to say. So to say not to