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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137481</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
         ---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
         ---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...&lt;strong&gt;I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers.&lt;/strong&gt; But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor...
         ---George Mason

Conceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular states, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend, by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
         1790 Militia Bill14 Debates in the House of Representatives&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seems very faithful to the original intent, and the letter of the constitution.  Only a liberal could see anything activist in the courts ruling, which of course their was activism, but the four liberal ideologue justices weren&#039;t enough.  In a sane court, the ruling would have been 9-0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation&#8230;(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.<br />
         &#8212;James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.</p>
<p>Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American&#8230;[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.<br />
         &#8212;Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.</p>
<p>When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually&#8230;<strong>I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers.</strong> But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor&#8230;<br />
         &#8212;George Mason</p>
<p>Conceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular states, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend, by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.<br />
         1790 Militia Bill14 Debates in the House of Representatives</p></blockquote>
<p>Seems very faithful to the original intent, and the letter of the constitution.  Only a liberal could see anything activist in the courts ruling, which of course their was activism, but the four liberal ideologue justices weren&#8217;t enough.  In a sane court, the ruling would have been 9-0.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137436</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;strict construction&quot; would take seriously the clause &quot;A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State&quot; and would prioritize the Constitutional protection of rocket launchers and tanks- not shotguns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;strict construction&#8221; would take seriously the clause &#8220;A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State&#8221; and would prioritize the Constitutional protection of rocket launchers and tanks- not shotguns.</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137410</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama had greater role on liberal survey.&lt;/a&gt;
So how does &lt;a href=&quot;http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SGRbbwqny1I/AAAAAAAAOnw/KgJYsABLPIo/s1600-h/obama+guns.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this survey by B-HO&lt;/a&gt; reflect in anyway, the same as Scalia&#039;s position?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html" rel="nofollow">Obama had greater role on liberal survey.</a><br />
So how does <a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SGRbbwqny1I/AAAAAAAAOnw/KgJYsABLPIo/s1600-h/obama+guns.JPG" rel="nofollow">this survey by B-HO</a> reflect in anyway, the same as Scalia&#8217;s position?</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137407</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I, for one, am thrilled that conservatives are speaking so energetically in favor of judicial activism and expansive interpretations of the Bill of Rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Confusing strict interpretation with activism is childish.


&lt;blockquote&gt;Scalia in his ruling notes that limitations on gun ownership are constitutional.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Scalia&#039;s ruling cites specifics of not allowing felons, mentally impaired, etc.  B-HO&#039;s positions are well established, irrespective of the election cycle spin he wishes to fool the voters with today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I, for one, am thrilled that conservatives are speaking so energetically in favor of judicial activism and expansive interpretations of the Bill of Rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>Confusing strict interpretation with activism is childish.</p>
<blockquote><p>Scalia in his ruling notes that limitations on gun ownership are constitutional.</p></blockquote>
<p>Scalia&#8217;s ruling cites specifics of not allowing felons, mentally impaired, etc.  B-HO&#8217;s positions are well established, irrespective of the election cycle spin he wishes to fool the voters with today.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137406</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie, I can&#039;t wait to see those handgun deaths plummet in the wake of this ruling!  In fact, I don&#039;t believe there was any significant impact from banning gun sales in small islands of the country so I doubt we&#039;ll see any changes in the rate of handgun violence whatsoever.  

In any case I, for one, am thrilled that conservatives are speaking so energetically in favor of judicial activism and expansive interpretations of the Bill of Rights.  Fair enough.  Liberals have argued for expansive interpretations of the other amendments too- welcome to the party.

N2: Scalia in his ruling notes that limitations on gun ownership are constitutional.  Obama&#039;s support of limitations is not inconsistent with that interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie, I can&#8217;t wait to see those handgun deaths plummet in the wake of this ruling!  In fact, I don&#8217;t believe there was any significant impact from banning gun sales in small islands of the country so I doubt we&#8217;ll see any changes in the rate of handgun violence whatsoever.  </p>
<p>In any case I, for one, am thrilled that conservatives are speaking so energetically in favor of judicial activism and expansive interpretations of the Bill of Rights.  Fair enough.  Liberals have argued for expansive interpretations of the other amendments too- welcome to the party.</p>
<p>N2: Scalia in his ruling notes that limitations on gun ownership are constitutional.  Obama&#8217;s support of limitations is not inconsistent with that interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie Cooper</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137404</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that more law-abiding citizens are allowed the right to own and use handguns to protect themselves (and possibly even &lt;em&gt;you &lt;/em&gt;Pat, though I wouldn&#039;t bet on it) --- you have even less to be afraid of than you did yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that more law-abiding citizens are allowed the right to own and use handguns to protect themselves (and possibly even <em>you </em>Pat, though I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it) &#8212; you have even less to be afraid of than you did yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137398</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot - what am I supposed to be afraid of today again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot &#8211; what am I supposed to be afraid of today again?</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137344</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9&lt;/blockquote&gt;
NRA-ILA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9</p>
<p>FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9</p></blockquote>
<p>NRA-ILA</p>
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		<title>By: no2liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137342</link>
		<dc:creator>no2liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henh...yeah, B-HO was wearing shower sandals in that statement released yesterday, it is the campaign season, after all.


&lt;blockquote&gt;It is very telling that Obama moved further to the left than most of the liberal legislators in his state. The self-defense bill protecting gun owners like DeMar passed the state senate 41-16 and was later enacted into law over the governor&#039;s veto (and over Obama&#039;s opposition).

The concealed carry of firearms is another important issue for gun owners, and yet Obama is not only opposed to citizens carrying guns, he supports using federal laws to override those states which currently allow the practice.

In 2004, Obama said he supports a national ban on concealed carry because the states that allow it are &quot;threatening the safety of Illinois residents.&quot;6 Never mind the fact that concealed carry laws have improved the safety of citizens in the states that have enacted such laws.7

Obama has also taken a strong position in favor of the Clinton semi-auto ban which sunset in 2004. &quot;I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law,&quot; Obama said.8 &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GOA.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henh&#8230;yeah, B-HO was wearing shower sandals in that statement released yesterday, it is the campaign season, after all.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is very telling that Obama moved further to the left than most of the liberal legislators in his state. The self-defense bill protecting gun owners like DeMar passed the state senate 41-16 and was later enacted into law over the governor&#8217;s veto (and over Obama&#8217;s opposition).</p>
<p>The concealed carry of firearms is another important issue for gun owners, and yet Obama is not only opposed to citizens carrying guns, he supports using federal laws to override those states which currently allow the practice.</p>
<p>In 2004, Obama said he supports a national ban on concealed carry because the states that allow it are &#8220;threatening the safety of Illinois residents.&#8221;6 Never mind the fact that concealed carry laws have improved the safety of citizens in the states that have enacted such laws.7</p>
<p>Obama has also taken a strong position in favor of the Clinton semi-auto ban which sunset in 2004. &#8220;I believe we need to renew &#8212; not roll back &#8212; this common sense gun law,&#8221; Obama said.8 </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm" rel="nofollow">GOA.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/06/mccain-v-obama/#comment-137333</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;anti-gun Obama&lt;/em&gt;

Look, I know you want to win this election but why not stick to praising the merits of your candidate and not making up crap about his opponent.  

Obama immediately &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gG5NxL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;released a statement in support of the decision&lt;/a&gt; and before that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his website stated his support of the right of gun ownership&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;[Editor --- Because his words are empty compared to his actual record on gun control. He&#039;s the man who said that he wants to prohibit ALL semi-automatic weapons. Which means all hand guns. Besides his past words belie his new found respect for gun ownership.]&lt;/font&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>anti-gun Obama</em></p>
<p>Look, I know you want to win this election but why not stick to praising the merits of your candidate and not making up crap about his opponent.  </p>
<p>Obama immediately <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gG5NxL" rel="nofollow">released a statement in support of the decision</a> and before that <a href="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf" rel="nofollow">his website stated his support of the right of gun ownership</a>.</p>
<p><font color="red">[Editor --- Because his words are empty compared to his actual record on gun control. He's the man who said that he wants to prohibit ALL semi-automatic weapons. Which means all hand guns. Besides his past words belie his new found respect for gun ownership.]</font></p>
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