UPDATE (Sept 9, 2008) — Hood has cheated death once again. I’m closing comments to this thread. Please visit this new thread on Charles Dean Hood to discuss his case, or any other death penalty-related comments.
Charles Dean Hood Escapes Death Once Again
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The last post on the death penalty (Charles Hood-related) has about 373 comments, so I’m closing it down and starting this new thread. I’ll start a new post for Hood once a new date is set (soon I hope).
Meanwhile feel free to continue the debate on the DP here.
Some things to kick off the discussion:
- Today’s SCOTUS ruling that prohibits the DP for the rape of children. Which is currently on the books in Texas. It’s a damn shame that the SCOTUS ruled that the DP for the animals who brutally rape little kids constitues “cruel and unusual” punishment under the 8th Amendment. I’d argue that it’s not nearly cruel enough.
In case case you’re not sure what child rapist Patrick Kennedy did to his 8-year-old stepdaughter, read this. Only if you have a very strong stomach. Then try to tell me he doesn’t deserve the worst punishment our system has to offer.
My biggest problem with the court’s decision is that it activist judges have removed one more states right.
- The next scheduled execution in Texas is on July, 10 — Carlton Turner is scheduled to die for robbing and then shooting to death is two adoptive parents in 1998.
i was very shocked at the courts decision…. those animals that rape children do not deserve to breathe. That animal will be housed separately from the rest of the population… as even convicts hate CHILD MOLESTERS/RAPIST/MURDERERS. and are delt with accordingly….. so there seems to be justice even with convicts, it is just not tolerated and and is delt with……its to bad they areen’t housed in general population…..
A date of September 10th has been set for Hood.
That’s good Big Sis I just recently start following this thread and I don’t know how you managed to remain so strong for this long. Hope things go according to plan.
Yea, I read all that other crap and hope that Anonymous does not follow this thread. I was going to say something but decided not to until she said something about Darby. I would ask at this time to please leave Darby out of your quarrels and arguments. She is very ill and is not interested in writing in here and will not. She will pop in every once in a while just to read but refuses to comment.
Big Sis, I appreciate you sticking up for her as much as you do. She is a lady with class as you are and I can’t put up with remarks about her or you. You are two people that do not agree but have managed to still be friends, unlike some people who think that if you don’t agree with them, You should be executed too.
Robbie, I went to read the article about the Dad who raped his little girl and it made me sick. They need to casterate him.
Mr. Hood now has a new date? September 10th eh? Well that at least gives his Attorney’s enough time to prepare.
Let’s hope that this new thread will stay on the subject at hand and not get all nasty like the other one. That comment by Anonymous saying she is a man was the most ignorant pitiful thing that SHE has ever said.
I would say that if you have something to say about Mr. Hood or the DP vs LWOP, feel free to say it and if it’s about someone else or the crap that Anoymous started, Please keep it to yourself because nobody cares what you have to say anyway. Not an order, just a suggestion. I know that I don’t have the authority to make an order in here and am just a writer but totally agree with the Sis and Robbie, the owner of this blog. Tom
Mr. Tom Workman are you off your medication? It’s obvious that you have a mental illness It is too noticeable for it to go undetected
Delusional, Psychosis, Bipolar NOS Don’t be ashamed I won’t tease you anymore retard I usually enjoy pocking at people that unstable but not the mentally ill. I volunteered at a Forensic Mental Institution last summer as a recreational staff Your empathy towards death row inmates makes me think that you have been in contact with the law at one time or another. I know how people like you think. Every time someone mentions Darby’s name it triggers something inside of your head and you react. You have the mentality of a 12 year. It is important for you notice these signs of mental illness before you re-offend and get help. And submit to your Psychiatrist and stop thinking that everyone else is nuts.
Gee Big Sis you say it like it is and well done. I totally agree with you and respect what you are saying. People have different points of view for various reasons and we should all respect that.
I got frustrated when I first came into this blog because Anon accused me of all sorts of things which was so far off what I was trying to say. Anyway, I think it is great that some of us can debate an obviously controversial topic with respect and I must admit it has helped me become more informed on the issues. I still don’t feel comfortable to say I am pro DP, however after reading what that stepdad did to that poor little girl, then bloody hell, that is almost worst than murder, it is a life sentence for that poor child.
Being a parent, I know what I would want to do. I don’t mean to take away from victims of murder, all I mean is that having to live with that misery, do you ever get over it. Situations like that lead victims into depression, or worse suicide because it must be impossible to deal with. I can’t even imagine, I feel like I have led such a sheltered life.
By the way in NZ child rapist etc are also separated from the general population for the same reasons, lots of gang members in our prisons are dads and are in prison for other reasons than harming children, these types wouldn’t survive a day in there if they were not segregated (although would that be a bad thing??!!-serious arse whipping or worse!) Well let’s hope we keep up with the topic(s) on hand and everyone feels free to voice their opinions. Again good call Big Sis.
A program was screened last night in the UK about the murder of Sarah Payne.
Sarah was 8 years old when she was abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered by Roy Whiting.
Whiting had already been convicted of sexually assaulting another girl and was given four years prison even though a psychiatrist said he would re-offend.
This is the state of the UK criminal justice system.
Whiting has been given a minimum of 50 years to serve.
So what is the point of keeping this piece of shit alive ?
I’d be very interested to see how Dors and Tom argue this one.
8 years old, an innocent who’s life was robbed from her and unimaginable pain and suffering for her parents and siblings.
We should bring back public executions and punishment. Maybe when the scum bags see people being flogged and hanged on prime time tv they will think twice before commiting a crime.
Whiting doesn’t deserve to live and i defy anyone who says he does.
Big Sis,
Glad to know they have set another date, but still feel for you, knowing that the way the system has been played, that you can’t have a degree of certainty.
Hang and maintain, young lady!
Hood will be punished for his horrible crimes.
For those who aren’t familiar with the story, now seems a good time to bring back Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs.
/woof
Wow, workman, it took you all of two seconds to start shit again. Can’t say I’m surprised. You and others fling it and then only start whining when it splashes back on you. When have you ever posted on the topic at hand? You repeat Hood’s arguments who at one time they tried to pass off as a retard and when confronted with the fact that your arguments are contrary to law, you repeat them again. When you’re not doing that, you are giving various people tongue baths. You’re not even subtle about it.
Why did workman cross the road?
Because his dick was stuck in the chicken
Catherine from NZ: Grow up.
[...] Frank wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptEvery time someone mentions Darby’s name it triggers something inside of your head and you react. You have the mentality of a 12 year. It is important for you notice these signs of mental illness before you re-offend and get help. … [...]
When the news was talking about the courts decision, they also had a victim of child rape, I could see his point also….. that most offenders are someone they knew…. and yes in my opinon would put the victim thru more hurt as they would have to relive it all again and would just wish to “put it behind” them and get on with their lives.
I still say throw them in General population and let their peers deal with it, It certainly would be justified in my book. They are preditors and would keep reoffending causing more harm / death to innocent children. It is our duty as adults to protect our children, weather they are our own or someone elses.
As far detering people from commiting crimes especially serious ones and those against children we need to publicise the punishment.
For example say we have someone who kidnaps a child and abuses them. The public hears about it as is horrified etc. The person gets caught and is sentenced to prison.
Thats it as far as the public is concerned and they carry on as normal.
Now if the person was to be publicy punished and this broadcast to the nation surely the impact of seeing a convicted criminal being flogged or put in stocks for all to see would act as a much greater deterrent.
Depending on the severity of the crime they could be punished like this once a week / once a month etc.
I say daily…. as they abused their victims on a daily basis, tit for tat… whats good for the goose is good for the gander……
I understand the emotion, Big Sis, of wishing to see their punishment more in line with what they did to the victims, and can even understand putting the condemned to death in the same manner they used. However, we do have a constitution, which I have sworn an oath to defend, several times, and the rules provide for justice, while preserving the greater society from becoming debased by it, contrary to some anti-capital punishment defenders claim.
To me, the biggest problem we face is that the process is manipulated, so that cretins like Hood, can play the system, and as the saying goes, justice delayed is justice denied. It is unfair to you, the other family and friends of your beloved sister, and to society at large, that Hood has been allowed to be an oxygen thief for almost twenty years.
Oh for saner times, such as the fate of President McKinley’s assassin. He was executed fifty four days after he shot the President. That’s swift and certain justice!
First off No2Liberals….. Thank you for your sworn oath to defend our consitution, if not for you and the others like you I would not have the freedoms I have, like writing in this post. Yes the rules of our constitution provide for justice for those who abide by them… there are always those who will try to go around or find technicallity to manipulate it. Indeed Justice delayed is justice denied….. but rest assured Justice does win, sometimes sooner, sometimes later but in the end I feel that Justice is ALWAYS served…. one way or the other.
The new ruling the courts made was a step in the right direction to help stop the manipulation of our justice system, so that justice will not be delayed. I understand that the “wolves” of society have rights , but to manipulate and abuse the system is wrong. The punishment should fit the crime indeed…… especially when children are involved.
I found the artical of the sheep, sheepdogs and wolves very enjoyable.
Amen for saner times……. Justice should be swift, not such a long drawn process as some have made it.
Since the 4th of July is around the corner…. Everyone have a safe and happy one…. and if you have the opportunity , don’t forget our servicemen and women who have made it possible.
Pathetic,
You are PATHETIC. Your suggestions of public flogging are too repulsive to comment on. Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran, you’ll fit right in there and if you’re lucky you may even catch a stoning
Before you criticise the UK justic system look up Steven Stayner. As for Sarah Payne it was an incomprehensible crime and a devastating tragedy. Roy Whiting is serving his PUNISHMENT. Because we are a society that seeks justice not revenge.
As for paedophilia it is a sickness, an impulse like all sexual proclivities hence why the recidivism rates are so high. The sick tragedy of this vicious circle is that most paedophiles are former victims of abuse.
regarding ’swift justice’ I think it would be better than what the victims families and the DR inmates are currently subjected to. Condemned and stored like corpses in terrible conditions as they wait to find out if they will be dying in an hour, a month or another few years. This certainly is cruel and unusual punishment. But then I think of the cases where people have been released after serving twenty years on DR due to witnesses agendas being exposed or scientific developments so maybe that time is necessary for certainty, if there can ever really be such a thing. Hence why I don’t feel we should be imposing irreversible sentences with a flawed system.
Some further reading on exonerated inmates. Should they have been served ’swift justice’?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/577754.html
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=110
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/09/MNGALCM85L1.DTL
Before you criticise the UK justic system look up Steven Stayner.
That’s right. A crime sentenced under the laws that were on the books 36 years ago is oh so relevant. Back then, leftards thought sex offenders and pedophiles could be cured and sentences were way too light. As a result of Stayner, the sentences were greatly increased. Today, Parnell would get a lwop sentence for each victim, plus, hundreds of years for the sex offenses. When Parnell offered to pay $100 for a five year old boy, he was arrested, tried, and sentenced to life in prison, plus. A couple of years ago leftards and your pto friends, tried to change the law which would have resulted in Parnell being released. Fortunately, they were given a sound thrashing at the polls.
The UK, unfortunately, still gives their sex offenders a slap on the hand. As I understand it, Whiting is eligible for release someday.
On an up note, Parnell died in January and is currently in hell and no amount of repenting could have changed it.
Anon,
is Michael Jackson recent enough for you? How about all your religious cults that regularly sexually abuse minors?
Try coming up with cases where there is an actual conviction, because I am sure that perverts who are acquitted in the UK are not imprisoned either. Gotta love your critical thinking skills!
1. Ronald Gene Taylor didn’t even come close to being executed. He was convicted in 1995 and was still going through the appellate process when the crime lab scandal broke which pretty much put the kabash on his case going forward until the evidence was retested.
3. Your third link isn’t even to a death penalty case.
My point is that Jackson wasn’t convicted!!! Despite the overwhelming evidence he bought his way out. Is that the price tag you place on a child’s innocence?
I note you don’t comment on the 99 other cases in the 2nd article. yes, the 3rd is a general article on exonerations not specific to DR but showing how many years wrongly convicted men spent in prison.
One, who knows what your point is most of the time because you rarely make sense. Unfortunately, the jury believed there wasn’t overwhelming evidence because the victims and their family were not credible. Are you now advocating that we throw out the jury system? Two, I assure you that if I sat on that jury I would have convicted. One could never say the same about you.
Pedophiles are sick individuals, there is no cure for their sickness. except maybe a lobotomy! I doubt that public humiliation would change anything in individuals that have no respect for other beings, yes that means dogs, cats, and others…..
They are a great menace to society and have to be dealt with, I think that those who do irrepreable harm to children don’t deserve to breathe, the courts will do what they do…. I don’t have to agree with it. As for those who murder… there is no doubt in my heart they should be executed.
One, who knows what your point is most of the time because you rarely make sense. The topic is the death penalty, not acquitted perverts.
Unfortunately, the jury believed there wasn’t overwhelming evidence because they found the victims and their family not credible witnesses. Are you now advocating that we throw out the jury system? I assure you that if I sat on that jury I would have convicted. One could never say the same about you.
I note you don’t comment on the 99 other cases in the 2nd article. yes, the 3rd is a general article on exonerations not specific to DR but showing how many years wrongly convicted men spent in prison.
One, you note wrong. Two, stick to the death penalty. You’re expanding the topic because you know you are losing.
The so called innocence list has been eviscerated numerous times. I posted a comment with numerous links demonstrating the inaccuracies and blatant fabrications. However, the blog software won’t allow multiple links. I’ll break it up and try it again:
1. “Case Histories: A Review of 24 Individuals Released from Death Row”, Florida Commission on Capital Cases, 6/20/02, Revised 9/10/02 at Link
83% error rate in “innocent” claims.
2. “Is ‘the innocence list’ an appropriate name?”, 1/19/03
FRANK GREEN, TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Link
Dieter admits they don’t discern between legal innocence and actual innocence.
3. CRITIQUE OF DPIC LIST (“INNOCENCE:FREED FROM DEATH ROW”), Ward Campbell, http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DPIC.htm
70% error rate in claims of innocence.
4. “The Death Penalty Debate in Illinois”, JJKinsella,6/2000, Link
70% error rate in claims of innocence.
5. THE DEATH PENALTY – ALL INNOCENCE ISSUES, Dudley Sharp Link
Origins of “innocence” fraud, and review of many innocence issues
6. “Bad List”, Ramesh Ponnuru, National Review, 9/16/02
Link
7. “Not so Innocent”, By Ramesh Ponnuru,National Review, 10/1/02
Link
8. Deadly Innocence.
http://bilges.blogspot.com/2005/12/deadly-innocence.html
Many thanks to Dudley Sharp who states that the 123 released from death row after innocence was proven is a blatant fraud, easily uncovered by the rare act of fact checking. Possibly, 25 actual innocents have been released from death row, or 0.3% of those sentenced to death after 1973. All of those were released after post conviction review. That’s a 99.7% success rate in actual guilty findings and 100% of the actual innocent were released.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1023074.html
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42706
“This case highlights the serious and rampant flaws inherent in the death penalty,” said American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) lawyer Cassandra Stubbs, who represented Jones. If the system was incapable of protecting the innocent, it “shouldn’t gamble with life and death”.
Some nice pictures of a botched execution:
http://executions.justsickshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/davis-florida-elecric-chair-execution.jpg
http://executions.justsickshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/davis-florida-elecric-chair-execution-botched.jpg
http://executions.justsickshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/davis-florida-elecric-chair-execution-botched-2.jpg
1. There are insufficient facts in the article to determine whether this is a true case of innocence. Not that it will stop you and the various antideath penalty advocates from claiming it is. This case is only two months old so I have no doubt it will get a more critical analysis by someone who does have the ability to review the entire record. Nevertheless, the case was reversed on appeal and the DA dismissed. So, your argument that the system doesn’t work once again fails.
2. Blair was convicted in 1994. The claim that he was almost executed in 1999 is b.s. I would also point out that it was the Collin County DA’s Office that re- investigated the little girl’s murder and spent 5,000 work hours and $50,000 in doing so, resulting in the charges being dismissed. So, once again the system works. Of course, the fact that Blair is a serial child molester and has been sentenced to 4 life sentences is cough, irrelevant. Though these days most people would prefer that he was executed.
Some nice pictures of a botched execution:
Yawn. If the murderer is dead, it’s not botched. Every body has seen your photos many times before. No one really cares that he had a nose bleed. But what was really “justsickshit” and that you and your ilk always omit is what this guy did:
Fatty Allen Lee Davis was convicted of killing a pregnant Jacksonville woman and her two young daughters on May 11, 1982. Davis was convicted of murdering Nancy Weiler, a Westinghouse executive’s wife in Jacksonville who was three months pregnant when she was killed in 1982. Mrs. Weiler was “beaten almost beyond recognition,” with a .357, hit over 25 times in the face and head. Her 9-year-old daughter Kristina was tied up and shot twice in the face, and her 5-year-old daughter Katherine was shot as she was trying to run away and then her skull was beaten in with the gun.
Probably one of the more disgusting murders I’ve read. I think of that poor little five year old trying to get away from this monster that you have chosen to make your poster boy. Have you no decency?
Anon, whether you believe in every case or not there is still sufficient evidence to question whether everyone on death row is guilty of the crime they have been convicted of. That is unacceptable.
Here’s yet another one where a bent cop seems the prime suspect:
http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Archive/search?searchType=archives&Search=Jimmy%20Fennell
“The fight goes well beyond winning a new trial for Rodney. The United States is alone among industrialized democratic countries in its use of capital punishment, and Texas has become an icon for this barbaric practice. Rodney Reed is only one of 391 people on death row in Texas, many of whom have experienced the similar miscarriages of justice. If we see the flaws in Rodney’s case, we must begin to call the entire institution into question”.
Dana Cloud, professor at The University of Texas
Fatty Allen Lee Davis was a deranged murderer! What is the state’s excuse for creating this gruesome spectacle?
Fatty Allen Lee Davis was a deranged murderer! What is the state’s excuse for creating this gruesome spectacle?
1. Nosebleeds aren’t gruesome.
2. It was created by Fatty’s fat and high blood pressure which his fat also contributed to. What was his excuse for being so fat?
Anon, yet again you seem incapable of having a mature debate. Instead you try to cause trouble to create a childish exchange of insults. What’s your excuse for being so fat?
Here’s yet another one where a bent cop seems the prime suspect:
You mean here is another b.s. case? After granting a habeas corpus hearing and considering additional evidence, the CCA will decide whether to grant a new trial or not. Yep, the system works great. So, again your argument fails that an innocent person was executed and that the appellate system doesn’t work. Frankly, I agree with the findings of the trier of fact at the habeas hearings — Reed’s evidence was not credible.
Anon, yet again you seem incapable of having a mature debate. Instead you try to cause trouble to create a childish exchange of insults. What’s your excuse for being so fat?
I am having a very mature debate. Anyone less mature would tell you to take a hike because you refuse to keep focused and slap up anything you find without reading or understanding it.
As to calling Fatty Davis fat, if you don’t like me insulting the murderer of little girls and pregnant women — too bad. Since I am not fat, I don’t need an excuse for being so fat. If you are going to blame a simple nosebleed on the state when the cause was Fatty Davis’ fatness, then you have made Fatty’s weight an issue. What’s your excuse for being so fat?
Anon,
I’ve read all of those articles. As i said, sufficient evidence to question the entire institution! As everyone on this thread has concurred you are a sad, bitter individual so I think you are:
A: Really obese
B: And / or very ugly
In either case you’re so not getting any, are ya!
Oh those weren’t that bad…. I’ve seen worse come in through the E.R.
Everyone I know on this thread and elsewhere thinks you are a fool and so desperate and lonely that you have to trawl death row for attention from murderers. Since you are a scumpal, it’s pretty much a given that you are the one who is fat and ugly. Unfortunately for you, the scumpals on death row will still cheat on you and dump you. What’s the matter DoDo? Tired of being proved wrong all the time? Get use to it.
Please… as you well know I am not and never have been involved in anything other than a platonic relationship with DR inmates. Is that tacky innuendo all you have left to resort to? I do care about them though and I will defend those like Justen and Devin against spastics like you.
You are so desperate for attention that you need to pick fights with anyone who will listen on a blog! You’ve even been dumped by the other pros!
Nope. I don’t know that at all. In fact, I have heard just the opposite about you. So far, you have done a horrible job at defending anyone against me or anyone else. Your advocacy on behalf of Hall and Bennett will undoubtedly rush them to the gurney. Thanks! Posting facts to counter your lies is neither picking a fight nor a need for attention. It’s simply wanting the record set straight on the death penalty and the culpability of the people you pretend to champion .
Nope. I don’t know that at all. In fact, I have heard just the opposite about you
Ha! Back that allegation up. Oh, what a surprise, you can’t.
You don’t post facts, you insult and try to cause trouble.
Ha! Back that allegation up.
Ha! This from the woman who has repeatedly made wild unsupported assertions about the death penalty, our criminal justice system, and the guilt of murderers without any proof and has still produced the four names of her scumpals. So, you start backing it up.
Prove your allegation! Come on.
You have a habit of editing your posts making it difficult to respond. Why doesn’t that surprise me?
I’ve posted numerous facts that countered your assertions. I’m sure that causes you immense trouble – good. As I’ve said, when you insult me, don’t complain if it comes back to you.
Prove your allegation! Come on.
Prove yours. Every allegation you made, I shot down. And give me the names of your four scumpals. You made numerous allegations about how they were innocent and being treated unfairly, boo hoo hoo. Each time I asked you to put up or shut up. Now, you come on. What are their names.
Different opinions don’t cause me any trouble and provide a rich debate. Aggressive idiots who resort to insulting when they can’t think of anything else to say disrupt that dialogue and lower the tone.
My last post is only difficult for you to respond to because you have nothing to back up your accusations. If you did you would say it!
Now, stop wasting everybody’s time and come back when you have grown up and learned how to debate rather than argue. Don’t question me again until you have evidence to support your claims that come from nowhere but your dirty mind.
When you assert your opinions as fact, they are no longer opinions and you better be prepared to back them up. Simply posting a link to an article that is easily disproved or off topic is not backing up with facts.
I have no difficulty responding to anything you say. It’s boring but not difficult. But for someone who fails to back up anything she says, you are in no position to make demands of others. Give me the names of your scumpals. If you weren’t lying about them, you would post them.
Why don’t you come back when can actually back up your arguments with facts and logic, which will probably be never. And considering it has to be around 2 a.m. where you live, you have nothing better to do than to try to b.s. and bluster your way through the subject matter and are obviously without a warm body to keep you company. No surprise there.
Yet again with the personal insults! Because you have nothing else to say. There were some interesting posters earlier and I was hoping they would come back, as usual you have dominated and offered no insight into anything.
How do you know where I am? You know nothing.
Now, stop wasting everybody’s time and come back when you have grown up and learned how to debate rather than argue. Don’t question me again until you have evidence to support your claims that come from nowhere but your dirty mind.
Uh, you are the one who wasted everyone’s time with the dpic nonsense.
You are the one who wasted everyone’s time by bringing up Stayner and Jackson.
You are the one who wasted everyone’s time claiming that Fatty ’s nose bleed was cruel and unusual punishment.
And you are the one who wasted everyone’s time by misrepresenting every link you posted or case you referred to.
And don’t question me until you have evidence to support your numerous false claims about the dp and the criminal justice system and you post the full names of your 4 scumpals.
Yet again with the personal insults!
That’s what happens when you insult other people — they insult you back.
Because you have nothing else to say. There were some interesting posters earlier and I was hoping they would come back, as usual you have dominated and offered no insight into anything.
I have responded to your posts. You are the one who has dominated and offered no insight. You fool no one by pretending that you do.
How do you know where I am? You know nothing.
You’ve posted several times that you live in London, fool!
Dors: It’s in the middle of the night where you are and it is obvious you are drinking. Go to bed.
The Capital Punishment Imperative.
Excellent piece, and one in which I am in total agreement.
n2l has to broaden his horizons, but whitout tv, ny times, hollywood and being a total ‘old’ historic creature, whe do not expect much..
I’m so proud I do not live in the US with all their BS.. You just go kill each other, I do not fuckin’ care..
Next trip on my motorcycle will be a 3 month journey through Texas, and robbie, mini cooper, I’ll sure stop at your place.
[Editor --- Let me know when you get here, fuck stick. I'll give you my address. Feel free to stop by anytime.]
Dors77, you’re right but you’ve to stop commenting to ano’s on this blog. Those ano’s are backwards barbaric retards. Your opinion has great value, maybe not to the rep. ano. commenters on this blog, but either way.. it has! Thank you.
Then stay the fuck out of our country, if you don’t like the US, Jack.
It irrates me that you put your 2 cents in and you don’t even live here… adopting a holier than thou attitude about your country, clean up your own back yard before you start on your neighbors. It’s discusting.
who is mini cooper anyways? God the topic of the DP is a hot one.
I really just wanted to say it’s been an education. I had to look at the “botched execution” pics and I’ve seen worse after a Friday night fight at the bar.
september 10th sure seems a long ways away.
Big Sis, JacqAzz is an ankle biting commie, and a pitiful troll. He lives in a country with legalized euthansia, legalized prostitution, legalized drugs, and drops to it’s knees to Islam when Islam says boo. You’re right, his opinion on matters here are meaningless.
It’s been a while since Shakespeare has insulted JacqAzz, but his wait is over.
Woa Anonymous, You sure do know how to cause trouble. Just want you to know that I know who you are. You answer for everyone and will not keep your trap shut. If you were on a Jury, you would convict anyone just because they are on trial. You are not a fair person at all and you discust me, and I imagine anyone else who you come in contact with as well. Take your medicine and if you don’t have any, go score some. Your take on life is as useless as you are. It’s people like you that make others not want the DP simply because you think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why don’t you let others have their opinions without always jumping in telling them how wrong they are. You simply do not know how to debate. Gotta run now.
JacqAzz is just following the lead of his dhimmified government.
Cracking Down On Those Dangerous Bloggers.
The dark overlords of Dutch Islamization are pleased, as must be JacqAzz.
Holly cow that Jacques guy sure is something Im not even from United States and I want to give him a 1,2,3 “Stupid Eurotrash” Dors said in an earlier post that most of Europe think that America is a joke{right back at you babe}
Thanks Jacques!
No2Liberals, you at least make sincere arguments but you have placed yourself in a time capsule by refusing to even watch modern movies etc – before you taunt Jacques about Muslims bear in mind that you are soon to have a Muslim / Christian president.
God Bless America, it isnt just Europe, it’s most of the World. From the dumb ass, illiterate President to barbaric laws like the DP. I always loved the USA but let’s face it, most outside it don’t these days.
[Editor --- What does President Bush have to do with the DP? You do understand that it is a states right? Don't you? As for our President being a "dumb ass" and illiterate? Do you know how fucking stupid this makes you sound? President Bush graduated from Yale with higher grades than John Kerry (and a higher tested, IQ as well). I'm betting you couldn't even fill out a Yale application properly, much less be accepted. He's also trained to fly fighter jets. You have absolutely no idea how much intelligence and mental acuity it takes to do that.
And I think you are confusing our "barbaric" laws with those of Sharia.]
Big Sis, I know you lost your sister and I feel terrible for that but before you start telling people from outside the USA not to comment why don’t you Americans stop invading other countries exporting your ‘unique brand of democracy’! The USA interferes with everyone else so welcome to it. Why shouldn’t they have a right to question you?
Maybe if those pictures had been accompanied by the smell of burning flesh they would have had more effect on you. Despite the blood thirsty attitude prior to executions the witnesses are the first to get upset and demand the curtain is pulled when things go wrong and it gets ugly and appears as what it is – the murder of another human being.
dors77 Thanks Jacques for what threatning Robbie? Dors your just not attacking people on this site you are attacking all Americans. Not sure what your mission is but you are not standing on a world podium. Why does it matter so much to you what these 20 some people think. No one here that I’m aware works in government what change can you possibly make by participating on this website. If you want change your in the wrong forum. Or do you just come hear to bitch about what you dislike about Americans?You are starting to sound like a real head case. You are boderline fanatic on trying to change people’s opinion on the DP.
Also have a bit of respect for Big Sis you didn’t have to write what you did you couldn’t have just ignored her comment just show a bit of character next time and think before you post don’t you have any shame?
Neighbours, it isn’t about the 20 people on here it’s about the many more that might stumble across this thread before they have considered all sides to form an opinion. This is but one of twenty ways I am opposing Capital Punishment. Am I fanatical – hell yeah! People are dying in a conveyor belt of executions or losing their minds in your prisons.
I’m not anti-American, I am simply pointing out the international sentiment, the PR legacy of the Bush administration and the death penalty. I was also illustrating the hypocrisy of telling Europeans not to comment on US business when you involve yourselves constantly in the affairs of other countries.
I have expressed my sympathy and compassion for Big Sis on numerous occasions. That doesn’t make her immune from challenges to comments she has made.
can someone please block dors? Stay off this blog ur not welcome here. Cant wait till sept 10th
Well it seems that the US has helped alot of other countries. We fight for Freedom and the rights of others. Like I said if you don’t like it here dont come here…. as for your comments/opinions they are yours so what….. your entitled to them. Since you think that we are always in someone elses business… the next time some dictatorship comes knocking at your door…..DONT CALL US TO HELP YOU.
Your expression of sympathy is appreciated. I also know that I am not immune from challenges on the comments I make. I am a big girl.
We will forever agree to disagree on the DP. Its just the way it is.
As for the conveyor belt theory…… it moves very slowly… since Hood has been on DR for almost 20 yrs. He and others like him don’t deserve the right of life. They are like rabid dogs that are a danger to society and have to be put down. It was thru their own actions that they are where they are. They did it to themselves and cry and whine about how they are treated….. they didn’t consider the treatment they dished out to the victims now did they.
All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder my dear……
I plan on looking Hood in the eyes while he is put down, like the animal he is.
As for the smell of burning flesh it’s a smell I am very much familiar with. Working in a burn unit.
Big Sis,
If you are referring to WW2 please remember the UK took a stand against Hitler and the Nazis long before the US grew a conscience and stepped in. Despite our size we kept them at bay for years against incredible odds. Lately it is the British who have had to step in to support the USA and add legitimacy and military experience to your various wars. For our allegiance we have endured 7/7 and our soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan (too frequently as a result of friendly fire).
I am not anti-American, I believe there is a lot more of merit to the US than its foreign policy and capital punishment but I have never seen anti-American sentiment as rife as it is at present on a global level and you should be aware of it and less hypocritical when you criticise the international community for taking an interest in your philosophies.
I don’t know Charles Hood at all but I can conclude that he isn’t a rabid dog, he is not an animal. He is a human being whether anyone likes it or not. I can see that you are not a callous woman, if you work in a burn unit then you must be dedicated to the preservation of life beneath the justifiable anger at your sister’s tragic and unnecessary death.
We will never agree on the DP but I can completely understand you having such strong views. They are motivated by grief rather than the morbid fascination and lynch mob fervour that many here seem to have.
I sincerely hope that whatever happens with Charles does give you the closure you seek. I’m so sorry you lost Traci.
Lately it is the British who have had to step in to support the USA and add legitimacy and military experience to your various wars. For our allegiance we have endured 7/7 and our soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan (too frequently as a result of friendly fire).
I am not anti-American, …
HaHaHaHa!
DORS, you better watch out, Tom will sick the chicken hatchlings on you.
As for refusing to watch modern movies, I never said that. I refuse to go to the theaters and pay to watch them so that my money doesn’t find it’s way into the pockets of too many people that I despise. If I have to wait for two years to see it free, big deal, it’s just Hollyweird make believe play acting anyway.
Then you want to call our President illiterate, and our dp barbaric, and state them as fact, when they are only your distorted opinion. You are just a sold out close-minded leftist ideologue, nothing more.
Yeah, everybody hates America, it’s still the same refrain…“Yankee Go Home, And Take Me With You!”
Just remember, when Iraq was re-invaded, there were over forty countries involved in that coalition, including the UK.
No2Liberals,
Bush makes an ass of himself and demonstrates his ignorance and illiteracy every time he opens his mouth. His gaffes have been caught on camera loads of times and screened to the world. That is not my opinion, it is a fact.
I would describe the state being engaged in storing a human being for years of uncertainty about whether he will die tonight, tomorrow or in a decade, in a tiny cell alone for 23hrs a day then solitary ‘recreation’ in a small, spartan cage for an hour a day with no social interaction until madness consumes their minds and they are finally displayed like defenceless, stuffed trophies before ogling witnesses for the act of cold blooded, premeditated murder as barbaric. Is there another way to define it? How about cruel and unusual punishment?
The UK contribution is vastly more significant than the other co-allition nations and we are the key partner.
Anon, the UK army has policed the most volatile countries on the planet for centuries. Of course we have more experience.
Bush makes an ass of himself and demonstrates his ignorance and illiteracy every time he opens his mouth.
Then you two have a lot in common.
Bush makes an ass of himself and demonstrates his ignorance and illiteracy every time he opens his mouth.
Well, if you feel that way, then you two have a lot in common.
Only to those who look for and expect that from him. He is neither ignorant or illiterate, as any one with a shred of honesty knows.
So he has made gaffes, what of it? He has his own style as does everyone. Just because he doesn’t have a commanding speaking style is not indicative of his intellect. A few days ago you referred to Sean Penn as intelligent and well spoken, so I should have taken in consideration your perspective. You have BDS, plain and simple.
As for W’s gaffes, at least he doesn’t have a webpage dedicated to them, as does Baracka Hussein Obama.
Your empathy for the condemned and the situation they have placed themselves in is unmoving. If they wouldn’t try and weasel their way out of their punishment for their crimes, they wouldn’t stay in a box for twenty years. Our system works very well in proving guilt or innocence, and the lengthy stays on death row are not the responsibility of the state, but of the condemned and their lawyers.
As for your antecdotal story about the Brit executioner, I find his statement is not a universal profundity, but rather one of a moribund individual, experiencing burn out.
Bush doesn’t have A website dedicated to his gaffes. He has millions, hours and hours of documentaries, satire shows, news footage and feature films. People have built their careers on mocking Bush. He’s provided so much material…Excuseable for an individual but unacceptable for the leader of the USA.
Pierrepoint was burnt out, haunted and totally opposed to capital punishment by the end. I imagine he would spin in his grave if he heard that victims relatives and the media were witnessing executions, consider it highly inappropriate and vulgar. Reminiscent of when we used to display the decapitated heads of our executed on sticks on London Bridge in the dark ages.
DR inmates are discouraged from not pursuing their appeals, it is considered ’suicide’. They are just following the natural order by fighting for their survival, why is the system so slow and convoluted?
Obama is a horrible speaker when he doesn’t have a prompter in front of him.
The mind of a scumpal.
Oh, you have to read this. The scumpal of Peter Cantu, one of the murderers of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena said:
These two girls didn’t suffer 15 years so don’t even dare to compare them to Peter. Their fate pales in comparison to his.
These two girls were raped – vaginally, orally, and anally. They were pissed on, beaten, jumped on, strangled, and murdered.
I agree that’s twisted. As I’ve said the majority of people who write to DR inmates are benevolent, reasonable individuals who are opposed to capital punishment but not to punishment. There is a small but vocal minority who do it for all the wrong reasons…
Maybe you should read up on Hood then if you are unfamiliar with his case…… He is an animal, a bad one at that. I love my country and would live NO WHERE ELSE. This is the land of opportunity, there is a very diverse ethnicity.
the so called humans on death row have no regard for other human life…… there for they are animals and should be forever exited from society…… how about the inmates who kill others with in the system, that is why they are isolated from the rest as it should be.
Murdering pieces of shit don’t deserve a comfortable existance within the system. If you think that their treatment is inhumane what about all the dogs and cats in shelters that are put to death… are you opposed to that also or just DR inmates?
I do value life… it is a precious gift, but there are those who hold no value for it.
Do you like supporting these animals with your tax dollars? I don’t… I would rather see my tax dollars put to better use…. such as health insurance for those that are uninsured or underinsured… to feed, shelter the homeless. Provide the basics for human exsistance…..
Inmates are housed, fed, provided medical care, legal help…….
Hood’s latest missive is that the judge and DA were having a sexual illicit affair during the trial because Holland and the attorneys were going into chambers extremely often without the court reporter and him.
There were four attorneys. Apparently, he thinks they were having an orgy and didn’t invite him.
Big Sis,
Prison shouldn’t be ‘comfortable’ neither should it be torture. It should provide the basics required for physical and mental health e.g. a sanitary environment, edible food and forms of social interaction. What is the point of legal help if the defendant has gone insane in 24/7 solitary confinement?
LWOP is far cheaper than pursuing a capital case so lots of funds could be better allocated in it’s absence. I would want to know that my elected government and regional councils weren’t imposing torturous (which is how the sensory deprivation and social isolation in Texas death row is defined) on my fellow citizens regardless of what they had done. A civilised society should be above it.
DR inmates automatically go into AD Seg in Texas regardless of whether there is no record or evidence to suggest that they pose a threat to each other or the gen pop. Although yesterday you were happy for inmates to murder each other to deal with paedophiles? Do you approve of those murderers or should they hit the gurney as well?
I can understand how Charles Hood is beyond your compassion or forgiveness but not all DR Inmates are monsters. Some are there under the law of parties and didn’t kill anyone, others have admitted their guilt and are very remorseful and some are even innocent. The path to DR is different for each individual, they are not all alike and there are a myriad of reasons behind their predicament, some incomprehensible others worthy of understanding. You cannot compare Ted Bundy to an 18 year old who shot someone in a panic when a robbery went awry.
I donate to several animal charities and rescued both my cats from shelters. It sickens me how they are abandoned and abused.
Oh please.
This after eight years of the Horny Hick as President, we finally had a President that was more concerned with America, than his own crotch. It’s the actions of President Bush I agree with, concerning the GWOT, and cutting taxes. W didn’t do enough to reign in spending, or veto some legislation that I think he should have, but all in all, a very solid Presidency that will stand on it’s own accomplishments, irrespective of the shrill voices from the left.
BDS=Bush Derangement Syndrome:
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Uhhh…you just answered your own question in reverse order. Our system is fair and just, and the condemned are the one’s drawing the process out. You really do need to think more, and emote less.
irrespective of the shrill voices from the left.
And irrespective of the shrill voice of the foreign left. It really chaps their asses that we don’t care what they think of us.
If you actually read, or were able to comprehend, one of the requirements for the death penalty is a continuing threat, thus that standard is established before they reach death row.
Then why are they allowed to interact with each other outside of Texas DR?
There are also certain gen pop inmates who have consistently committed more violent crimes than certain DR inmates.
You misunderstood my point. The DR inmate is following the natural instinct for survival. The system should be less slow and convoluted so their ultimate fate can be resolved sooner.
In what sense, before or after they are condemned?
I’ve never understood why any measure of our nations status is determined by what other countries citizens think of us. If they stopped trading with us, then I could understand, but they don’t, so any misinformed and media brainwashed voices about how horrible we are, are more a reflection of what they think of themselves, in my view.
Do the euros care that many of us see the train wreck coming if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified? Ireland had the good sense to have a referendum, and voted no to the EUSSR, which, according to EU requirements, should kill the power grab by unelected officials, but the other twenty seven countries are going forward with ratifying the treaty, and are seeking ways to get around the Irish no vote.
No, the euros can’t even see the problems they face in their own countries, but have the time to be advocates of a group of criminals they do not know, in a country which they don’t understand, and in a state they are completely unfamiliar with, as pertains to it’s criminal justice system.
Now that Germany, France, and Italy are starting to lean right in their politics, and with the UK PM soon to be replaced with a Tory, the attacks on W are ringing more and more hollow.
It’s the actions of President Bush I agree with, concerning the GWOT, and cutting taxes. W didn’t do enough to reign in spending, or veto some legislation that I think he should have, but all in all, a very solid Presidency that will stand on it’s own accomplishments, irrespective of the shrill voices from the left.
He led America into the Iraq war which is another Vietnam. That is the legacy of Bush – thousands of dead American soldiers. And for what? A pack of lies.
David Cameron is anti-dp and has vowed to apply more pressure on the USA regarding this issue.
As do you!
The system is imminently fair, and allows every opportunity for a person to prove their innocence, or at least a reasonable doubt. They know who they are, and are just playing the system. Most are life long weasels, by nature, and master manipulators, and will play the system as long as they can. If they would just pretend they knew what it was to be a man, fess up, and take their punishment, we all would be more satisfied with the process. I imagine you would be one of the loudest voices in protest, if the system were altered, and the innumerable appeals and reviews were removed, and swifter justice prevailed.
Social interaction between DR inmates is allowed on other US Death Rows. The women have TV, work programs etc on Texas DR. Why don’t the men?
What utter and total BullShit!
Just admit you are suffering with BDS.
Here is the proper way to look at it, he led our nation, and a coalition of nations, in removing two dysfunctional regimes, bringing representative democracy to over fifty million people. W followed the guidelines of the *spit*UN*spit*, which had issued seventeen unanimous resolutions condemning Saddam’s failure to live up to the truce signed at the end of the first invasion. Comparing Iraq to Viet Nam is one of the biggest deceits of the radical left, of which I am even more convinced you are a representative of. If Saddam had followed the requirements established in the truce, which he signed, there would have been no problems. How convenient the radical left forgets what the leftist in our Congress were doing and saying, about Iraq, until they saw political opportunities in changing their positions on Iraq. Perhaps you noticed, that Congress, which is a majority of leftists, just approved the Iraq/Afghanistan War Funding bill today, which funds the war beyond President Bush’s term. Could it be that most Americans still support the effort, especially after the significant gains, and the donks in Congress don’t see a political advantage to not funding it? You bet!
Oh, and don’t forget that yesterday was an important fifteen year anniversary for Iraq.
He led America into the Iraq war which is another Vietnam. That is the legacy of Bush – thousands of dead American soldiers. And for what? A pack of lies.
President Bush acted on the information available to him at the time. I have no regrets about Iraq. We have had no more terrorist attacks at home. It doesn’t surprise me that you would support the murderous regime of Saddam.
David Cameron is anti-dp and has vowed to apply more pressure on the USA regarding this issue.
David who???
The women have TV, work programs etc on Texas DR. Why don’t the men?
Too many of them and men are much more violent than women. Contrary to your belief that they have the right to personal expression through arts and crafts, they are there to await execution.
The Iraq war has created terrorists. Most Americans do not support it anymore. Saddam should have been removed during the first Gulf War in my opinion when he invaded his neighbour.
It is a disaster over there – as bad as it was before if not worse. I’ve discussed this with many US and UK soldiers who are thoroughly pissed off with the situation and don’t know why they are even there.
Obama knows who David Cameron is and cares deeply about restoring relations with the international community so I’m sure we will have his ear.
See also, Congresses Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.
And what of the words of Democrats on Iraq?
DORS, your BDS and lack of knowledge on this topic is breathtaking, and you should stick to your emoting over death row inmates.
I don’t know why men and women are treated differently, but since you brought it up, I need to contact my legislator’s to see to it that the women receive the same treatment as the men. It’s only fair.
Henh, she thinks B-HO is a lock down for President.
One thing you need to know about the American electorate, no President has ever been elected without the majority of white male vote, a demographic that B-HO has consistently and persistently showed his contempt and disdain for. That and most Americans aren’t Marxist.
How old is McCain again? Will he last until the election?
It’s a disaster?
I know you don’t have good sources of info, but in case you haven’t noticed, Al Anbar province is being transferred to Iraqi government control this week. What a disaster!!!
If this war created terrorist, it was because they were so inclined from the bizarre and pathetic tome of Ol’Moh, the epileptic pedophile who gave us Islam. Terrorist have been around a long time, but one thing for certain is, the war in Iraq has sure killed a whole bunch of them.
Y’all have a good’un. Things to do in the meat world.
Henh, of course he will.
How experienced is B-HO, and why won’t he produce an authentic copy of his birth certificate? And what of his terrorist friends? B-HO is an empty suit, that refuses to debate an old man. Poor B-HO, a mulatto that insists he is a black candidate.
“Iraqi government’ ha!
Ha, that was fun!
And then we have this old Texas ‘hang ‘m all – shoot ‘m all’ guy who needs a great British writer for expressing an ‘insult’. How original! And he’s talking about ‘GeenStijl’ a huge Dutch blog (11 million comments in the last couple of years) addressing flaws (amongst other hot topics) in our systems. Boy, you don’t know what your talking about.
I’m sure as hell against the DP, it’s barbaric and backward. I do not want to live in such a frustrated society, luckily I do not have to. But on this blog people start countin’ days, cheer when someone is executed, willing to give him the chair, publicly hang him, show his execution on national tv, deny him and all others inmates to have any sort of life.. Pretty frightening, welcome back to the stone age.
And I can not comment in a US blog? Well, then you have to invade the country I was born and live in (Holland) first, to do that (or try to ban my IP address). Freedom of speech is something really important. You may thank Larry Flint for yours.
The whole world, including most of US citizens, thinks of Bush as an illiterate idiot. And that is a fact. But we’re talking DP here, okay: what about all those people dying in the US every day ’cause the do not have a health care insurance. Or even the people who have insurance but need to sell their house or take a second mortgage for paying for their care.
Those people get ‘an acknowledged society DP’. That ain’t fair. Backward system, as your justice system, as most of your systems – you do not evolve, you all are still stuck in the 1760’s.
I am pro euthanasia, legalized (soft) drugs, abortion, legalized prostitution, freedom of speech, public health care, public schooling, and last but not least I’m 100% against the DP and I’m glad I can use this blog so you know I am. Even if you don’t give a flyin’ whatever..
Oh, and about the US itself, I mean ‘mother nature’ – it’s beautiful – love to spend days and days riding a motorcycle through ‘your’ country. Why are all of you so unhappy, making such a mess of it – I wonder.
Now, don’t forget, have some fun y’all. Go out, do something, get-a-life.
The majority of Americans want the troops to stay until Iraq is stable no matter who is elected. I guess you’ve haven’t heard the surge is working. Can’t fault you for that since the media is loathe to report it. Neither Obama or some opposite leader in another country has any influence on the death penalty. Again, you have no understanding how our government works. Nevertheless, Obama has not only voiced support for the DP (again, not that it matters) but also spoke up against for executing those who rape children. So, if you think he is some great black hope, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Neither Obama nor some opposition leader in another country has any influence on the death penalty.
How old is McCain again? Will he last until the election?
Is this a veiled threat against a presidential candidate? The british leftard media is famous for getting visits from the FBI.
Jacques – you rock! Excellent post!!!
Jacques & Dors77,
I would show some respect for the Americans , without whom you may be speaking German right now and saluting the Nazi’s.
Please… The UK made a stand way before you grew a conscience and got involved! We fought them off alone for years and if it wasn’t for us you wouldn’t even have a country. It was conceived and built by Europeans!
How much of a conscience did it take for the brits to sign away Czechoslovakia? Not very smart, either, since all you did is give Hitler more time to arm. You didn’t stand up to a european tyrant when it mattered most and sold out an entire country and it came back to bite you in the ass. So, knock off the fake morality – no one is buying it. And this country was built by europeans who rejected europe and all it stands for and we/they continue to reject it. Get over yourself.
You are really grasping at straws now! All these diversions to get away from the fact that the DP is wrong, wrong, wrong!
The right wing nut argument like “Hey! I’d prefer not to support murderers, would you?” Does not reflect the complexity of the issue.
It should not be the business of government at any level to kill people in the absence of a clear and present danger to human life. A convicted killer who has been locked up does not constitute a danger to human life because they’re in jail, so there is no need to kill them and thus no legitimate justification for doing so. If the State says murder is wrong, the State must lead by example.
If killing is wrong, it is wrong for everyone and the State too. The death penalty is never appropriate, period. A civilized society incarcerates its worst criminals. It does not practice retributive justice.
Yes. These murderers should be allowed to live behind bars, facing their crimes. You are better off as a society showing more mercy than they did. It is the mark of a mature society.
Uh, it’s you and your cohorts who are constantly interjecting the anti-American comments because you can’t debate the death penalty.
The simplistic right wing nut argument like “Hey! I’d prefer not to support murderers, would you?” Does not reflect the complexity of the issue.
Did you just call Big Sis a right wing nut? So much for your prior ass kissing. Personally, cost is irrelevant to me. And the only simplistic arguments come from those who oppose the death penalty.
And since we are a nation of laws and not a nation of the subjective beliefs of some twit in London, your arguments fail again.
And for the record, there will be no cost savings by abolishing the death penalty. Without the dp, more murderers will refuse to plea bargain. Those sentenced to lwop also have the right to appeals same as the death penalty. Also, the anti capital punishment projects do not hide their intent to next attack lwop and life sentences. As far as the DP goes, it’s more money up front, less money in the long run. Nevertheless, I would never put a price on justice.
That was an attack on you, not Big Sis. Stay on topic and argue the points. Here they are again since you ignored them before:
It should not be the business of government at any level to kill people in the absence of a clear and present danger to human life. A convicted killer who has been locked up does not constitute a danger to human life because they’re in jail, so there is no need to kill them and thus no legitimate justification for doing so. If the State says murder is wrong, the State must lead by example.
If killing is wrong, it is wrong for everyone and the State too. The death penalty is never appropriate, period. A civilized society incarcerates its worst criminals. It does not practice retributive justice.
Yes. These murderers should be allowed to live behind bars, facing their crimes. You are better off as a society showing more mercy than they did. It is the mark of a mature society.
Stay on topic and argue the points:
I do. You are the one who called Big Sis a right wing nut.
It should not be the business of government at any level to kill people in the absence of a clear and present danger to human life.
Wrong. Capital punishment is endorsed in our Constitution, so it is both the state and the federal government’s business.
A convicted killer who has been locked up does not constitute a danger to human life because they’re in jail, so there is no need to kill them and thus no legitimate justification for doing so.
Wrong. Convicted murderers murder prison workers, fellow inmates, escape and murder citizens, and greenlight murders outside the prison. And don’t forget the 3 to 18 murders that are deterred by each execution. That, in and in itself, is legitimate justification. Also, the fact that it is justice is also a legitimate justification.
If the State says murder is wrong, the State must lead by example.
Wrong. Execution is not murder.
If killing is wrong, it is wrong for everyone and the State too. The death penalty is never appropriate, period. A civilized society incarcerates its worst criminals. It does not practice retributive justice.
Wrong. Killing is not wrong. Under your logic, you would deny a person to kill in self defense. Murder is an illegal killing. Execution is not illegal and therefore not murder. The death penalty has been and continues to be the appropriate punishment for certain crimes.
Yes. These murderers should be allowed to live behind bars, facing their crimes. You are better off as a society showing more mercy than they did. It is the mark of a mature society.
No. They should be executed according to our laws. Mercy to those who deserve none, is cruelty to those who do. There is nothing mature about putting more value on the lives of murderers than the lives of the innocent.
they do pose a threat…. to other inmates. Maybe they should open up devils island again and just throw them all there and let them fend for themselves and see how that goes would that be a better solution? Jail house justice?
well you all can continue to debate, I am getting a little bored with the redundancy of posts.
off for vacation in 1 hr!!!!!
That was an attack on you, not Big Sis. Stay on topic and argue the points. Here they are again since you ignored them before:
One, I’ve never said cost was an issue for me personally, in fact, I’ve always said the opposite. Therefore, you are lying and your attack was on Big Sis.
Two, I never ignore your arguments but how many times do I have to respond to the same arguments you post over and over again? Nothing you post has not been posted by you before and soundly disproved. So, can it!
Touche.
Honor all vets, I do.
A PIN DROP
When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by
the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example
of empire building.
He answered by saying, ‘Over the years, the United States has sent many
of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom
beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in
return is enough to bury those that did not return.
You could have heard a pin drop.
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Then there was a conference in France where a number of international
engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a
break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying ‘Have
you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has d one? He has sent an aircraft
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intended
to do, bomb them?’ A Boeing engineer stood up and re plied quietly: ‘Our
carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred
people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical
power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity
to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several
thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry
half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to
and from t heir flight deck.. We have eleven such ships; how many does
France have? ‘
You could have heard a pin drop.
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A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French
Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large
group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries.
Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a
French admiral suddenly complained that, ‘whereas Europeans learn many
languages, Americans learn only English.’ He then asked, ‘Why is it that
we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than
speaking French?’ Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied ‘May
be it’s because the Brits, Canadians , Aussies and Americans arranged it
so you wouldn’t have to speak German.’
You could have heard a pin drop.
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AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE…
A group of Americans, retired teachers, recently went to France on a
tour. Robert Whiting, an elderly gentl eman of 83, arrived i n Paris by
plane..
At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his
carry on.
‘You have been to France before, monsieur?’ the customs officer asked
sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France
previously.
‘Then you should know enough to hav e your passport ready.’ The American
said, ‘The last time I was here, I didn’t have to show it.’ ‘Impossible
Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !’ The
American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly
explained. ‘Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in ‘44 to
help liberate this country, I couldn’t find any Frenchmen to show it
to.’
You could have heard a pin drop
What Is A Veteran?
A ‘Veteran’ — whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve –
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made
payable to ‘The United States of America,’ for an amount of ‘up to, and
including his life.’
That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today,
who no longer understand that fact.
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Anonymous it will probably be a while before Dors answers your last post. She thinks inside of a box and Global thinking is not in her thought process.
keep up the good work Anonymous
I am really happy to hear the date has been reset Big Sis!
Robbie…can we make the Forums..United States Citizens only. I am blown away at just how much better every Country thinks it is. I say we get smart and shut off all Foriegn policies and see how WONDERFUL all these other places are. It is unreal.
As for the President and USA bashers..Who honestly cares what you think about us..our President or Our Country. I am proud to be an American and more so I am proud to be a Christian American. You should try and find something more to do with your time like…Tea with your Queen..or Herion on the streets..or whatever it is you do to get through the existance you PEOPLE have drummed out for yourselves.
Robbie..great Forum…Big Sis..hang in there Girl…its coming!
Robbie…can we make the Forums..United States Citizens only.
Though jaki, dors, poopyfanta, bukkake, etc., are a-holes, other non-Americans who post here are not.
Anon, as much as we have not agreed on ALOT of things I will say this, your last post was actually well written. Especially that last sentence. I believe it applies to not just the US but a lot of countries including my own.
Joy – I find it interesting listening to opinions from all walks of life from different countries. The US is known as a superpower and the international community are always hearing about you in the news so it is very hard not to form opinions. What the US does, can have a major affect on the rest of the world. So in turn people want to be informed more about what is going on, including your policies on a variety of different issues. Since I have entered this forum (as I have said before) it has really opened my eyes up to the DP and I find it very educating (and rather hilarous at times too), reading what others have to say. So to say not to allow anyone in who is not a US citizen doesn’t do this debate any justice. You will always have people talking crazy talk, but that is not just limited to foreigners.
Well I am hanging in there….. thanks Joy for stopping by sissy grave that was very thoughtful of you to do that. Robbie posted a better picture of her……
the nut cases continue with their rhetoric of shit…… it’s getting old for sure…… nothing like beating a dead horse.
HA!
BDS77 gave the dutch scumbag a tongue bath! How rich indeed, that she would, they both being devout radical leftists.
No it’s the right thing to do, and besides that, it is the law of this land, and in this state, the death penalty is supported by over 80% of the population, so once again, your opinion is not fact, just a worthless opinion in the face of millions of citizens who wish it.
Wrong again, as one of the requirements of the death penalty is a continuing threat, and as long as they are breathing, they are a threat.
Anon, I’ve heard all those stories, but always good to read the classics, yet again.
The May 2006 Gallup Poll found that overall support of the death penalty was 65% (down from 80% in 1994). The same poll revealed that when respondents are given the choice of life without parole as an alternate sentencing option, more choose life without parole (48%) than the death penalty (47%).
According to a survey of the former and present presidents of the country’s top academic criminological societies, 84% of these experts rejected the notion that the death penalty acts as a deterrent to murder.
Consistent with previous years, the 2006 FBI Uniform Crime Report showed that the South had the highest murder rate. The South accounts for over 80% of executions. The Northeast, which has less than 1% of all executions, again had the lowest murder rate.
Variations in Support
Today, 38 states have death penalty laws on the books, while 13 do not. An aggregate of Gallup Polls from 2002 through today show only a slight difference in public opinion about the death penalty in these two groups of states.
In those states allowing the death penalty, 68% of adults favor capital punishment, while 28% oppose it. In states where the death penalty is not allowed, 58% of adults are in favor, while 37% are opposed
PS Polls differ from state to state { different polls different stats}
Anon, what exactly was the point or relevance of your collection of short stories about Vets? Other than to make me laugh and attract the reflex cheers of your little lynch mob?
Joy, I’m not religious but if you are a Christian as you claim to be then you shouldn’t be sanctioning murder. Straight to hell for you!
Catherine, could you be any more wet?
Anon / Liberals – neither of you have been able to actually offer a decent argument to my comments on the DP. Mindlessly clinging to the existing flawed legislature is not a defence :
No it’s the right thing to do, and besides that, it is the law of this land, and in this state, the death penalty is supported by over 80% of the population, so once again, your opinion is not fact, just a worthless opinion in the face of millions of citizens who wish it.
How does this make it right? It does not answer to the fundamental and moral truth that If the State says murder is wrong, the State must lead by example. If murder is wrong, it is wrong for everyone and the State too.
Wrong again, as one of the requirements of the death penalty is a continuing threat, and as long as they are breathing, they are a threat.
How? Unlike a soldier engaged in combat and legitimately killing those who aggressively and actively pose a threat to him and his country DR inmates are in prison (and if your prison system functions as it should) they are locked up and present no clear and present danger to human life. Many gen pop inmates have worse records and commit crimes that demonstrate a more violent nature than DR inmates so this is bullshit.
There is no legal justification for capital punishment. It serves only as retributive justice which was practiced in the Wild West and has no place in a modern society.
I’m honestly not surprised to find this attitude. It was shockingly recent that you were still trying to prevent black kids from attending universities or eating in the same restaurants as you when the rest of the civilised world (including most of the USA) had evolved. I guess we’re going to have to be patient while you catch up on the DP. Shame so many have to die (a few innocents as well but what the fuck do you lot care so long as you get your blood) while we wait…
Have you added anything new to your last post that you haven’t already mentioned? Exept for insults
And here comes the predicted response, thanks Neighbours for not disappointing!
You mean the reality check
Your like the energizer bunny that walks in one direction and never stops.
Go one I find your behavior amusing
Neighbours, do you actually have an intelligent point to make on the comments?
It is you who goes in one direction and never stops – kill em, kill em, kill em all! How many days until the next execution – I can’t wait that long!!! DR inmates are all evil monsters…blah, blah, blah!
For one thing your speculating. You catogorize everyone into one catogory. Did you ever think that I lost someone close? And Im not even from the United States but Im close. Im not as unstable as you are but I try to follow this thread with a open mind.
Neighbours, you have frequently made snide comments to me even though I said nothing to you to incite it. That doesn’t reflect an open mind. What exactly is your position on the DP? You must have an opinion?
Instead of trying to apply your dime store psychology theories on me why don’t you qualify your perspective and offer debate on the actual issues?
And speaking of putting people into one category – on this site if you are opposed to capital punishament you are automatically deemed a leftard nutcase. If you defend the basic human rights of DR inmates or question whether they are all guilty or beyond redemption you are deemed a ’scum pal’ that trolls the row for boyfriends… !
I say let the 300 hundred million American’s decide how to govern their on country. Im more affected with world peace than the 100 or so that die every year for there serious crimes. I stick with this thread because it’s interesting reading. And yes I do support the DP
You should spend the day reading all of your posts that you left since the biggining than will talk.
How can you expect to achieve ‘world peace’ when a so called leader of the ‘free world’ is still murdering it’s own citizens in line with despicable regimes like Saudi Arabia, Iran and China?
The civilised world needs to start by cleaning up it’s own backyard before we can go off and preach about the value of democracy and human rights to the nations that threaten world peace.
Have you added anything new to your last post that you haven’t already mentioned? Exept for insults
Before we go to other debates can you answer my first qestion that I asked.
Neighbours,
Firstly you’re right I have been quite manic in my posting! I’ve been chained to my computer working which has made me somewhat stir crazy. I am submerged in researching this territory at present so more intensely focused on a thread that I would otherwise not have bothered with. However, the proponents have been equally or more dogmatic.
Yes, there are many other issues of concern in the world. But please understand although these men on DR may be statistics to you I communicate with them and they are very real to me. I do care very much how they are treated and whether they live or die. If I can do anything to save them I will. I am unconditionally opposed to capital punishment.
Yes, Americans should govern their own country but I am only seeking to support the existing anti-death penalty movement within the US. As are many Europeans with finance, activism, debate and publicity.
Im sure your heart is in the right place.
to be continued some other time
What the hell is your problem Dors I have never even said a damn thing about you. Or are you just pissed cos we kicked your arse in the rugby and you need to vent. LOL! Just because I am not completely on one side does not make me wet as you call it. The whole point, for me, as to why I am reading and joining in on this forum is to become more informed. Anon and I have not always agreed on things in the past but that does not mean I won’t agree with anything he says in the future, same applies with anyone. You are so persistent and keep harping on about respecting people’s views and opinions maybe you should practise what you preach.
What is your opinion, Catherine? I loathe Anon but at least he/she/possible Eunoch has an opinion that they proffer and defend. So far all you seem to do is suck up to everyone. Offer an actual view or opinion and I’ll respect it.
Yes, I have been persistent and I already explained why. Plus most anti-dp people don’t bother with these threads because they are so offensive. I understand why but I disagree and think you can’t take on proponents without knowing what you’re up against hence pushing them to get to the core of their argument. This particular blog is pretty insignificant to the overall cause but it does reflect the select views of of a couple of right wing nut Texas citizens which is an education!
I don’t even follow Rugby, don’t have a clue who was playing. If it was England though I am Scottish so in that case would have to say go on NZ!
The Ultimate Error: Executing the Innocent
From: A CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE: Americans’ Doubts About the Death Penalty
“..and the overwhelming majority of Americans (87%) already believes that the final tragedy has occurred: that innocent people have been executed in recent years.”
“Ruben Cantu, Cameron Willingham, and Carlos de Luna were executed in Texas. In all three cases, new evidence has emerged that has thrown considerable doubt on their original convictions.
Willingham’s case was exposed through an investigation by the Chicago Tribune. He had been convicted of murder by arson, but now new scientific analysis has questioned whether any arson (and hence any crime) ever occurred.
In de Luna’s case, also investigated by the Chicago Tribune, another repeat offender now appears to be the likely killer.
Ruben Cantu’s case, the third of the cases from Texas, was investigated by the Houston Chronicle. The former District Attorney who oversaw the prosecution now believes that Cantu was probably innocent and he has apologized for what happened. An investigation was opened by the new District Attorney in San Antonio. However, this D.A. had served as a judge on Cantu’s appeal and signed his death warrant This conflict of interest has clouded the investigation.”
Last but not least:
Dallas Morning News Editorial, April 15, 2007, changing its position on the death penalty
“This board has lost confidence that the state of Texas can guarantee that every inmate it executes is truly guilty of murder. We do not believe that any legal system devised by inherently flawed human beings can determine with moral certainty the guilt of every defendant convicted of murder.”
Have you actually read my posts in the beginning? If you had you would not be asking me that question. All I am trying to do is become informed, I thought I had a basic idea where I stood on the DP, which was anti, however, I questioned myself about how I would feel if someone close to me was murdered, especially my child. Now I am seeing both sides of the argument and do not feel comfortable saying yay or nay at this stage. I am enjoying reading what people have to say and when I want to know something or feel I have something to say, then I do. I am also trying to show respect to Big Sis as she could do with the support, so if that is sucking up then so be it. Personally I would call it compassion. I have also written that I feel sorry for Hood’s family as I believe they don’t deserve this pain either. Again, compassion, or is it just plain sucking up? What do you care and so what if I enjoyed one minor sentence that Anon wrote. Just voicing my opinion which everyone here is also doing.
Oh, I think I was misunderstood, I didn’t threaten Robbie. Maybe It looked like that, but I didn’t mean to.
I just would like to meet him in person, have a little chit-chat, sharing opinions and allowing him calling me a ‘Frog’ face2face. Internet is just too anonymous, don’t y’all think. And under Texas Law I’ll be pretty safe talking to him in person..
Catherine,
If you are still forming an opinion then cool but don’t use Big Sis as an excuse for censoring. She has already said that she is a big girl and has no problem dealing with different takes.
Jacques,
At least you are only a frog. I am a leftard, scumpal troll with BDS and Anon wants me to end up in a swamp, raped and murdered with my throat slit so he can celebrate who did it to me!
Oh no wait, you were diagnosed with BDS as well.
Hmmm…We’re so gonna get it when they wake up.
Dors77,
Robbie is almost a gentleman with his insults.. Others are not, as English is not my native language I often need a dictionary for all the names they’ve called me..
It’s so funny, they all say they couldn’t care less what Europeans think of their justice system, but from their comments you’ll get a whole other perspective. But, sssst, don’t tell ‘m, ’cause it’s so cool they don’t see it yet.. (give them a couple of hundred years)
And what about BDS? If that’s a real syndrome then problably something like
ILBWTFHDS aka IAACIAIKIS
exists as well in the US..
ILBWTFHDS aka IAACIAIKIS: I Love Bush Whatever The Fcuk He Does Syndrome aka I Am A Complete Idiot And I Know It Syndrome.
Don’t you just love it! Ha, I’m having a great time!
Me too! It’s hysterical!
No2Liberals is probably going to copy and paste the entire constitution and state legislature in to argue with your post while Anon will scour the net for proponent propoganda to bore us with. I foresee them getting the thesaurus out to find new insults. It will all be highly amusing.
If all else fails they will just stick us on death row. Texas doesn’t just love to murder US citizens they also take great pleasure in denying foreigners their consular visits, ignoring international law and the world court to kill them too.
I can see them counting down to our dates with the gurney becoming increasingly frustrated if our lawyer (presuming we are given one that wasn’t on drugs or asleep during our trial) finds any issues that could highlight a miscarriage of justice and delay our deaths.
They will then scrabble to be accredited as witnesses so they can come and ogle us being strapped down and executed live from the Texas death house! The ultimate viewing experience…
Wouldn’t that be fun? And then Hollywood steps in with a new blockbuster: The life of Jacques and Dors77 on Texas Death Row – The End of the DP in the US.
.. and in Heaven we will be laughing our asses off, while the Devil is blow torching theirs..
Jacques
When you travel to America the country that you hate so much, make sure that you that you visit Montreal,Quebec,Canada I would have a great time showing you were to go. If you like bikes there is a lot of gangs that I can introduce you too. They like ignorant French foreigners PS not kidding. Don’t worry about our justice system it’s like a revolving door. I will show you what a good time is.
You gotta love the film industry. One of the most effective weapons we have in our arsenal against this madness.
Of course No2Liberals will boycott it because he doesn’t believe in financing the leftard agenda of Hollywood. He’ll emerge from his time machine in tears because there are no more executions to look forward to. He’ll have to get a life. Anon will probably just call it quits and opt for suicide.
Neighbours, Sorry, I’m not French, I’m Dutch but if you talk to me in French maybe I understand you a little bit better..
Gangs, who needs freakin’ Gangs.. I’m a one man band.
talk is cheap; tete de pissette vient visiter, on vas voire comment tu parle le bon francais
Neighbours,
You are classier than that. He doesn’t hate America and has been balanced and complimentary about other aspects. I don’t hate America. I oppose the Bush administration (as do most Americans) and the death penalty and those who support it (luckily not all Americans do). I have many American friends and as I’ve said before there is much more to the USA than it’s current foreign policy and capital punishment.
So let’s not start this again or everyone will desperately resort to dragging up irrelevant,off topic issues like Muslims or WW2 again!
You just called me a “waterhoofd“? How refreshing! Glad you’re not my Northern Neighbour.
well good morning everyone….. I see there was a lot of “conversation” during the night….. I just wanted to say that when I was younger I felt that it would be worse to spend the rest of ones pathetic life incarcerated than put to death as it would be better to be dead than to live in 60sq foot cell…. but somewhere along the line my opinion changed… maybe due to losing friends and loved ones to murder. Especially since the offenders were repeaters, and if they had been forever put away it would have nevered happened.
No comment is needed, just wanted to voice my feelings, so everyone would know where I am coming from.
Everyone have a good day…. try to remain civil in your debate to each other… the DP is a “sensitive” subject and getting angery at one another doesn’t help in the debate. We all have our feelings on “sensitive” subjects……
I also feel that there has been some compassion shown towards me… It has been a difficult thing to deal with for such a long time. You are all very passionate in your feelings/opinion on this sensitive subject.
take care and have a good day…….
Yes we have, and your comments are just your opinions, which have no value in this issue.
I haven’t decided if you are just dense, or are playing some silly leftists game. This answer has been given you numerous times, yet you fail to grasp it. Court ordered executions are a function of law, not murder.
There you go again, emoting instead of reasoning. There is every justification, from God’s Law to current criminal codes.
Nor am I at your bizarre attitude.
Save the drama for your mama, BDS77. We caught up and passed you by, long ago.
Wrong, I mostly just scroll over JaqAzz, as I have this morning. His voice has less value than yours.
The film industry does what exactly? I always laugh, when I hear someone say “it’s an important movie.” What an absurd thing to say.
As for BDS77’s rants about me and this country, all I can say is there are many like minded citizens in this state, and in this country. If we ever reach a point where our laws are determined by radical leftards, like they are in Europe, then we will be just as debauched and lawless as them. I’ve only come to commenting on this issue in the past year, when I discovered Robbie’s blog. Now that I know how many meddlers there are in our system of justice, I am making more people aware of it, and we have begun discussions on how to counter these organized leftists groups in gaining influence on our justice system.
BDS77, continue to wallow in your ocean of emotions. The grown ups are in charge over here.
No2Liberals, that is evasive and doesn’t deal with the issues. How as a state can you tell your citizens that murder is an abhorrent act under any circumstance and then murder the murderer? There is no credibility just hypocrisy.
Because it’s law doesn’t make it right. Look how many insane laws have existed through the course of history until society became enlightened and changed them? I pointed out your previous race laws that were once considered just now exposed as a travesty.
Nowadays when a murderer has been convicted and incarcerated there is no need to kill them. They do not pose a clear and present danger to human life. If you are going to come back with a lame excuse like they kill other inmates don’t bother – your prisons should not allow that to happen. Aren’t they super max? Where is the justification to enforce an irreversible punishment where the margin for error is proven to exist (and always will in a human system)? It proves my point that this is all about retribution not justice.
As for God’s law… I believe organised religion and it’s convenient interpretations and subversions of the bible to be a cancer to society and the major cause of terrorism but surely the key tenets of Christianity are compassion, forgiveness and mercy?
If an innocent man is put to death you make murderers of all those that played a role from the guard who strapped his arms down to the actual executioner. What is their defence? I was following orders… I belive the Auschwitz guards had the same excuse.
BDS77,
You really need to read the book, Hollywood vs. America.
The media industry has profound influence in public opinion. Thank goodness you have so many great Americans in the film industry making bold, intelligent films that reach a wide audience and the younger generation to provoke thought and reflection.
The change to your political climate is coming from within the USA and Europe supports it. Just as sense finally prevailed in the past it will in the future and change will happen as it currently is with other subjects that were taboo not long ago such as gay rights and marriage. Hopefully soon there will also be an end to capital punishment.
I’ll play your little game. You want to continue to repeat the same BS, while ignoring the comments of others. I could say, go back and read what I and others have already posted, but since you either didn’t read them, can’t comprehend them, or are just being tedious, here is the short answer for you, yet again. All murder is killing, but all killing is not murder. The state does not murder, it executes, based on our criminal justice systems requirements, of which you have no influence.
You are wrong, of course it does.
No it doesn’t, it only satisfies your need to have your opinion be accepted as fact, which is clearly a problem you need to address.
Your belief is common among euro secularists, which is one of the reasons Europe is in such a sorry state, and while the basis of Christianity is redemption and salvation, there are still passages from Jesus that support capital punishment from the Old Testament.
A big if, one which has not arrived, and the confidence I have in our system of justice, more than adequate safeguards are in place, to insure it doesn’t. Just another hypothetical that is designed to play on the emotions of people, with no basis in fact.
I disagree.
Once again, I disagree.
The movies most people go to see are for entertainment.
I agree to an extent, but there are still many of us resisting the maladaptive change the radical left, here and abroad, are trying to foist upon us.
The following is a reckless and irresponsible statement based on denial. It is a human system that may well have been conceived with the best of intentions but it is still operated and run by humans so it (like every other human system) is therefore fallible:
If an innocent man is put to death
A big if, one which has not arrived, and the confidence I have in our system of justice, more than adequate safeguards are in place, to insure it doesn’t. Just another hypothetical that is designed to play on the emotions of people, with no basis in fact.
There is simply too much incontrovertible evidence to dispute that mistakes can happen. Even if you only believe 23 of the 100 plus exoneration cases apply that ratio through the years to death row and to executions and innocent men have died in chambers, chairs and on gurneys. I believe several but even one is totally unacceptable when alternatives are available to prevent this risk.
Reckless?
HA! Only to a bottomless well of bleeding heart emotions, like you.
The first two words are the operatives. I have no interest in your beliefs, and you can’t give one clear, concise example where an innocent man or woman has been executed in Texas.
Jacques already did – Carlos De Luna.
This isn’t specific to the DP but raises many questions about your perfect criminal justice system –
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/031007dnmetpardon.35307679.html
Interesting!
Source.
Here’s the kick in the pants, the rules in the criminal justice codes won’t allow her to plead guilty. A murderer that is willing to face the punishment for her crimes, and the state won’t let her.
If an innocent man is put to death you make murderers of all those that played a role from the guard who strapped his arms down to the actual executioner. What is their defence? I was following orders… I belive the Auschwitz guards had the same excuse.
Guess you never heard of Godwin’s Law? Anyway, we make sure we execute the guilty. And very few nazi war criminals used the following orders defense and most of those very few were the upper leadership. But, as usual you shoot your mouth off with out knowing anything you are speaking about. It’s your trade mark. And it is people like you who allowed people like Stangl and Franz commandants of Sobibor and Treblinka who brutally murdered over a million people a pass. Hell, you even allowed Franz leaves to visit his wife while imprisoned and released him early. So much for european justice. Now I expect you to whine that people are bringing up the war again in responding to you bringing up the war — another one of your trademarks.
Also No2Liberals explain the justice in the law of parties when the person didn’t even murder anyone? Or in the case of Thomas Whitaker where he got death as the conspirer but the actual shooterwho enacted the plan escaped it? A perfect system? Come on!
What? You really need to work on your comprehension, I have no idea what you are talking about, I scrolled over JacqAzz blatherings.
Ho-Hum, no it doesn’t pertain to anything, other than the fact that the system works, and a wrongfully convicted man is set free. Once again, thick as a brick, the requirements for capital punishment are so much higher than that, the deck is stacked against the prosecution, and they have to win all 60 points in the punishment phase. If the jury finds even one point has reasonable doubt, the life sentence is automatic.
You have convinced me that you aren’t doing research at all, but looking to advance your agenda, otherwise, you would have gotten a clue bat by now on how our system operates. You are a leftist ideologue, nothing more, and your emotions and beliefs are invalid, as far as I am concerned.
Brilliant! The genderless anon has emerged from the coffin to start posting. Should be entertaining.
The Carlos De Luna case
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-tx-1-story,0,4563517.htmlstory
You come on!
I know you are comprehension challenged, but here is the Texas penal code.
No snippets for you, either read the whole thing in context, or ignore it, I know you rely on your so-called “beliefs” anyway.
No2Liberals is probably going to copy and paste the entire constitution and state legislature in to argue with your post while Anon will scour the net for proponent propoganda to bore us with. I foresee them getting the thesaurus out to find new insults. It will all be highly amusing.
Of course, you would find facts, laws, and procedural histories boring. What’s more amusing is that your arguments consist of nothing more than verbal tantrums which you repeat over and over again.
There were 6 executions in June. We couldn’t’ have carried out so many without your help. Another 8 are scheduled in July. So, work your magic BDS77!
Brilliant! The genderless anon has emerged from the coffin to start posting. Should be entertaining.
Says the girl who is home alone every night posting idiocies on the internet and drinking herself into a stupor … How’s London, eh?
About the Tribune article:
And I strongly suggest that all people on death row were forced to eat mashed potatoes and English peas as a child.
Is that proof?
BDS77 posting pattern strongly suggests she like her wine and has no personal life.
BDS77 inability to correctly post a link strongly suggests that her IQ is below average.
How can you ignore all the inconsistences in that article No2Liberals?
I’ve read the law of parties. Firstly one of the major criticisms of Texas is that you prosecute and execute the mentally retarded and mentally ill so that part of the code has already been ignored –
“Although there are many inmates – both those executed and those who are still on death row – who have never undergone even preliminary I.Q. testing, we know that, to date, Texas has executed at least six mentally retarded inmates. In this section, we profile two such men: one who has been executed; one who is still on death row.
Mario Marquez, whose jury never heard he was retarded, with an I.Q. of 66. When the trial judge and prosecutor learned the extent of Marquez’s impairment, they joined his new lawyer in asking that he be spared. Their plea fell on deaf ears and Marquez was executed the day George W. Bush was inaugurated Governor.
Doil Lane, who may soon be executed by the State of Texas. After Lane gave a confession to a Texas Ranger, he crawled into the officer’s lap and began to cry. Throughout his life, Lane’s I.Q. has measured consistently between 62 and 70.”
The article is aptly called a state of denial. Here is the link:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=221&scid=
Here’s the kick in the pants, the rules in the criminal justice codes won’t allow her to plead guilty.
Here’s another kick in the pants, on death penalty cases they can’t waive their state appeals. Federal yes, state no.
Anon,
not so good.
Britain’s COLA Highest In The West.
And…
British Al-Qaeda Leader Celebrates Freedom By Calling For Violent Jihad.
And…
He recieves fifty thousand pounds a year in welfare payments.
But other than that, everything there is great, they don’t have the death penalty.
/henh
No2Liberals,
That’s pathetic. The US headlines reflect all their problems as well. Don’t even go there with the state of the sub prime credit crunch, kids shooting up their high schools and schools banning Christmas celebrations so as not to offend other religions!
You guys have your issues as well and it has nada to do with the current topic.
So that means the board of pardons and paroles didn’t find just cause to remove the death penalty. The Governor has nothing to do with it, unless they forward an appeal to him to pardon the condemned. Part of the system, of which I support. They can also recommend clemency, of which I’m certain BDS77 would be in favor of in all cases, justice and society be damned.
But other than that, everything there is great, they don’t have the death penalty. /henh
Then they shouldn’t complain when their buses and metro blow up. They’ve invited the devil into their home and pay him to stay.
Deflecting any? Have you run out of arguments?
Jacques, you make me want to vomit.
Your ignorance and absolute stupidity regarding the malicious crimes committed against Elizabeth and Jennifer literally makes me want to puke up my soul.
Please for the love of my God, shut your fucking pie hole.
You’re pathetic.
It has everything to do with your intrusion into a legal system of which you have no part, while ignoring the problems your own country faces.
What a country, England has become, providing welfare payments above the COLA to an avowed terrorist and representative of Al Qaida in your own country. He, and others like him are perfect candidates for the death penalty, as they wish to kill your citizens, and institute Sharia Law for Common Law. You should be ashamed of yourself for ignoring the perils your own country faces from monsters such as him, while being weepy for convicts in a country you don’t even live in.
You are worse than pathetic, you are a know-nothing, bleeding-heart busy-body.
If you can plan and execute a murder, and then hide evidence, than you are intelligent to be executed for your crimes. Marques had a job and was married. He raped and strangled his wife and raped and strangled his 14 year old niece. Fuck him. I don’t see how Lane “may soon be executed” since he was removed from death row over a year ago. Do you even bother to read and or verify the shit you copy and paste? No? Didn’t think so.
BDS77 has been told before how the governor of Texas can not commute a sentence unless it is referred to him by the board of parole. The one case referred to Bush during his tenure he granted.
Dors is truth challenged. She thinks that repeating her same old lies will miraculously make them true.
Deflecting any? Have you run out of arguments?
Never to the point that I have to resort to lies instead of facts like you.
KW: If jaki has any balls he will show at Walls on 8/5 to protest the execution of the brutal murderer of Jennifer and Elizabeth.
BDS77 actually made that comment?
I think she had a lucid moment, and typed her internal monologue.
BDS77 actually made that comment?
I think she had a lucid moment, and typed her internal monologue.
LOL!
In response to kw’s comment, I would like to see fujkstik turn up at Walls on 8/5/08 and protest the execution of the murderer of Jennifer and Elizabeth.
Somebody here needs to read a US newspaper once in a while, watch some tv and see the sorry state the US is currently in.
But now I’m off, I’m going out. Thank God it was Friday last night, now I’ll have the Saturday Night Fever.. Shirt is clean – I smell damn good.
Hello Amsterdam Here I Come!
and Dors, have a great weekend and lots of laughs with your friends telling them about this absurd republican little blog.
(Can use a Heineken right now..)
Nah, he doesn’t have time for that, he is waiting for the next Car-B-Que in Amsterdam, so he can roast some S’Mores.
No2Liberals,
Since you can’t stay on topic and choose to try and distract by attacking the UK – we are fine and in no danger of ever having Shariah law imposed on us! The Arch Bishop of Canterbury made one off the cuff comment about the problems of Muslim divorce in the UK and the suggestion that any laws be passed to accomodate Shariah law were condemned by the government, press and the public (including the majority of the Muslim population). But as Shariah embraces the death penalty, public flogging etc I’d imagine it would be right up you and Anon’s street.
Major bills existed and more have just been passed to deal with the inciters of racial hatred and terrorism so no worries there either. So relieved we don’t have the death penalty as they are all in a real hurry to meet Allah so I don’t think it would deter or punish them much.
Like the USA we are a high profile target in constant danger from attack. There is only so much our excellent intelligence and police forces can do to prevent it. Yours admit to the same vulnerability as they work with ours. It is not if but when there will be another strike on the USA and the UK. Note that we are being specifically singled out by terrorists mainly for our unwavering support of the USA, and of course not being prepared to succumb to a warped Islamic state….
Our benefits system could do with an overhaul but that is in process and the penalties for fraud are getting higher every day. I still wouldn’t trade it as we get free health care and education.
We are suffering as is the US as a result of the credit crunch but there isn’t much I can do about that.
In the meantime I am currently working very hard on a project that reflects my contempt for Texas death row and I need to thank y’all for giving me so much material.
Yes, anon – I am guilty of being a workaholic and I’m particularly keen to get all the detail I can, what is your excuse for being glued to your computer? Is it because you are a Eunoch as I suspected?
Jacques, have a good night mate! I’m hitting Soho and yes my friends have all cracked up at this thread!
Since you can’t stay on topic and choose to try and distract by attacking the UK
Oh, stop lying! You come here and insult our country and when whine when the same is done to you. You repeatedly chose to ignore facts and laws even when they are spoon fed to you.
You want to try addressing you false claim that Bush had the power to commute a sentence not refereed to him by the board of parole? You can’t. Because you were lying.
It is not if but when there will be another strike on the USA and the UK.
It’s also how many times have you been attacked since 9/11. For the US it has been zero. For the UK – I lost count.
In the meantime I am living my life and currently working very hard on a project that reflects my contempt for Texas death row and I need to thank y’all for giving me so much material.
Good. You have certainly reinforced our belief that european antis are dishonest in that you have provided numerous examples of it. Now, if you hurry you still have time to make another booze run before it gets dark and the kiddies come out with their knives.
Better that than the guns your kids have to use on you and their fellow classmates.
The article wasn’t about Bush it was about the prosecution and execution of the mentally impaired. Maybe you didn’t get that because you are also retarded.
Have a good one!
Better that than the guns your kids have to use on you and their fellow classmates.
I have no worries. There was no gun ban where I live. It’s the areas and schools with gun bans that have the gun violence.
em>The article wasn’t about Bush it was about the prosecution and execution of the mentally impaired. Maybe you didn’t get that because you are also retarded.
The article contained the false claim about Bush. Being your ever dishonest self, you even copied the false claim into your post. You have posted this lie before and you have been called on it before. So once again: You want to try addressing your false claim that Bush had the power to commute a sentence not referred to him by the board of parole? You can’t. Because you were lying. And it is evident that you will continue to lie. That’s all you are about: lies.
A terrorist suspect on bail for charges linked to an alleged major suicide plot involving mass casualties has gone on the run, Scotland Yard has disclosed
You people are a joke.
As I suggested early on, you had an agenda, and a closed mind.
Your contempt for our legal system is only exceeded by my contempt for radical leftards, where ever they reside in this world.
I’ve also sent a link to this thread to some friends, and they wrote back in stitches at some of your drivel, and others, and were unaware there were actually foreigners advocating against the laws in our state. It’s been informative, in that now we, who support our laws and justice, know who we are contending with, and that we need to get better organized and communicate effectively to our legislators, our desires. Notice I said our legislators, the people that actually have a say in what our legal system does or doesn’t do.
Unlike you euro leftards.
Anon, saw that story about the UK, and these others.
Psychiatrist who let schizophrenic out to kill wants £300,000 payout.
Crack-addict serial rapist stabbed mother to death in front of her son after being freed on bail.
Not a very good joke, if you ask me.
What’s wrong with those people? Don’t they have any sense of decency left?
Oh, and check this sob piece out about the Brit who murdered his wife and child in Massachusetts, fled to the UK, but has now been sentenced to life.
Life’s what you make it – even in prison.
Oh how utterly charming, the worst criminals in the UK are having their human rights violated with LWOP, even though they have committed the worst acts of human rights violations imaginable.
Mark Steyn is right, we will have no reliable allies in Europe by the end of this century.
I think I will do some checking and see if there are any pro-capital punishment groups in the UK, and see what I can do to lend them a hand in gaining support from this side of the pond.
If there aren’t any, perhaps I can find some in the UK who are interested in pursuing such an organization.
BDS77 has inspired me to become an advocate for justice beyond my state line.
Yeah, I was reading the other day about the brits letting out some serial rapist who was bragging about how cushy Broadmoor prison was where he could watch all the rape porn he wanted.
Here’s an informative exchange between a scumpal and a pro:
Scumpal: These two girls [Ertmann and Pena] didn’t suffer 15 years so don’t even dare to compare them to Peter. Their fate pales in comparison to his.
Deleted response by a Pro: I am praying for you Banshee. You are so over the top on this that you have lost all sense of reality.
Their fate pales in comparison to his? He got to live 15 years longer than them. They got to die by being strangled with a belt, and then their shoelaces, and then by being kicked in the head. This was all after the joy of being sexually abused every way imaginable for hours.
Peter gets to die by having a needle stuck in him.
There is no comparison. You have all of the credibility in the world when you state you are against the DP because it is not right to take another person’s life…no matter what the other person has done. You lose all credibility when you try to say the condemned is somehow more of a victim than the actual victims themselves.
Good luck! I’m sure your attempts to enlist support for Capital Punishment will be entertaining. Best bet would be to start with the Islamic Fundamentalists you keep referring to as I know you will all agree on torture and the death penalty and have much in common!
Don’t forget the EU also helps finance Anti-DP groups in the USA and the UK has some excellent organisations set up to oppose you like Reprieve and Amnesty to name a few. Be sure to point that out to your friends too.
Everytime I see a photo of that little baby, Lillian, who was murdered by her father, I cringe. I’m sure he will get a bevy of scumpals. Great article by Theodore Dalrymple. Thanks. I’ve booked mark it. I’ve been trying to tell people for years that if the dp goes, lwop and life will also be attacked. In euroweenieland they have almost achieved this.
now that is scary…… total failure of the justice system. Seems that the goverrment is more concerned with the convicteds human rights than the publics safety.
Never heard of reprieve and amnesty is a joke. They have repeatedly been exposed for what they are: dishonest and promoting an ultra left agenda . For all your yapping you forgot that their were two executions last week. So, in honor of BDS77, LET THE GURNIES ROLL!
Hee-Hee!
I set an ambush to prove BDS77 was still lurking, and not out having a social life, as I suspected, and she fell for it.
ROTFLMAO!
Anon, you are welcome, and that point, as well as the lack of restraint on a lifer to kill in prison, were the two that I thought were most significant.
Big Sis, yes ma’am, their system is in total collapse, and retreat from all restraints of the criminals on decent society. And yet, in their deluded self-congratulations, accuse us of being barbaric and backward.
Hee-Hee!
I set an ambush to prove BDS77 was still lurking, and not out having a social life, as I suspected, and she fell for it.
ROTFLMAO!
I think her idea of a social life is running to the store to restock on booze and cigarettes. I imagine she looks like this.
YIKES!
What a skank!
I was thinking more along these lines.
Well, that’s a photo I could have done without seeing. It’s one of her cultural heroes, so she should be some what pleased.
Sorry, good thing I didn’t post the really bad ones.
OMG…. YOU TWO! i NEEDED A GOOD CHUCKLE! THANKS….
Radical cleric Abu Hamza, aka, Capt. Hook, was able to smuggle murderous messages from his UK prison cell to Al Qaeda’s deputy leader, Al-Zawahiri, aka, Bull’s Eye! Yep, you guys really know how to run a prison. Also, the Brits pay a private duty nurse 30,000 pounds a year to come in and wipe Capt. Hook’s ass.
Anonymous can’t count (or quote).
Yes2Liberals:
“As I suggested early on, you had an agenda, and a closed mind”
Oh man, Dors77 has a closed mind? You really should seek some kind of professional help (if you can afford it).
“Your contempt for our legal system is only exceeded by my contempt for radical leftards,”
exceeded is the key word here I suppose?
“I’ve also sent a link to this thread to some friends”
Copycat, how original.
“and see what I can do to lend them a hand in gaining support from this side of the pond.”
Good luck, you don’t know shit about Europe – but I think, with your ideas, the radical Moslem community will embrace you.
You’re the minority – just face it, no need for much more blah blah.
Dors77, they should thank us for writing our comments. Without us UrbanGrounds would be a really boring blog.
“Let’s hang ‘m all”
“Yeah, let’s hang ‘m all”
“Well, I’m PRO”
“Me too!”
“Yeah!”
etc. etc.
Y’all get the picture.
“I set an ambush to prove BDS77 was still lurking”
- Left by no2liberals on June 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Dors77 lives in GMT. I in CET, you do the math..
(who’s laughing now..?)
London’s future Islamic?
Michael HodgesPosted: Tue Jun 5 2007It‘s the capital‘s fastest growing religion, based on noble traditions and compassionate principles, yet Islam can still be tainted by mistrust and misunderstanding. Here Time Out argues that an Islamic London would be a better place
The noise from the expectant crowd hushed to a murmur as an open-backed lorry that had driven slowly up the Mall – known since the Islamic revolution of 2021 as The Way of the Martyrs – nudged its way through the thousands gathered in Mohammad Sidique Khan Square. On the lorry, two masked guards held a young man, black hood over his head; a quiver running through the material suggested he knew what was coming.
The lorry halted by the plinth that had once held Marc Quinn’s sculpture ‘Alison Lapper Pregnant’ – long since removed as an insult to decency – and was now the place of public execution. A rope noose attached to a wire cable hung from a mechanised hoist. The main doors of what had been the National Gallery flung open and an Imam walked down the steps of the new Institute of Islamic Jurisprudence, opened only a week before by Sultan Charles, Prince of Islam and protector of the faithful in England. Feature continues
The official executioner placed a stepladder against the plinth. The lorry pulled up and the young man was pushed out, then forced up the ladder. The noose was forced over the condemned man’s head. The crowd chanted ‘Allahu akbar’ (God is greater than everything).The hoist driver put his finger on a green button … Okay, not really – that’s a hysterical, right-wing nightmare of a future Muslim London: where an cruel alien creed is forced on a liberal city. A society where women are second-class citizens, same sex relationships a crime and Sharia law enforces terrible public disfigurement and death.
For a start, Islam is not an alien religion to London. At the end of World War I the city sat at the heart of an Empire that had 160 million Muslim subjects, 80 million in India alone. London was the largest Islamic capital in the world. Forty years later and the end of the Empire, unrest and war and poverty in south Asia had lead to mass immigration to the mother country and London became a Muslim capital in another sense.
According to the 2001 census there are 607,083 Muslims living in London (310,477 men and 296,606 women). The majority of Muslims live in the east of the city and, by 2012, the Muslim Council of Britain estimates that the Muslim population of Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest and Hackney will be 250,000. There are plans afoot (though no formal application has yet been submitted) to build the UKs biggest mosque – capable of welcoming 40,000 worshippers – near the 2012 Olympic site, a move which has prompted predictable outrage from some quarters. Consequently, Muslim disillionment with a reactionary and often ill-informed press is at an all time high.
But rather than fear the inevitable changes this will bring to London, or buy in to a racist representation of all Muslims as terrorists, we should recognise both what Islam has given this city already, and the advantages it would bring across a wide range of areas in the future.
On the surface, Islamic health doesn’t look good: the 2001 census showed that 24 per cent of Muslim women and 21 per cent of Muslim men suffered long-term illness and disability. But these are factors of social conditions rather than religion. In fact, Islam offers Londoners potential health benefits: the Muslim act of prayer is designed to keep worshippers fit, their joints supple and, at five times a day, their stomachs trim. The regular washing of the feet and hands required before prayers promotes public hygiene and would reduce the transmission of superbugs in London’s hospitals.
Alcohol is haram, or forbidden, to Muslims. As London is above the national average for alcohol-related deaths in males, with 17.6 per 100,000 people (Camden has 31.6 per 100,000 males), turning all the city’s pubs into juice bars would have a massive positive effect on public health. Forbid alcohol throughout the country, and you’d avoid many of the 22,000 alcohol-related deaths and the £7.3 billion national bill for alcohol-related crime and disorder each year.
Ecology
‘The world is green and beautiful,’ said the prophet Muhammad, ‘and Allah has appointed you his guardian over it.’ The Islamic concept of halifa or trusteeship obliges Muslims to look after the natural world and Muhammad was one of the first ever environmentalists, advocating hima – areas where wildlife and forestry are protected. So we could expect more public parks under Islam, but halifa also applies to recycling: in 2006, 12,000 Muslims attended a series of sermons at the East London Mosque explaining the theological evidence for a link between behaving in an environmentally sustainable way and the Islamic faith.
Education
Presently, Muslim students perform less well than non-Muslim students. In inner London, 37 per cent of 16 to 24-year-old Muslims have no qualifications (the figure for the general population of the same age and location is 25 per cent). When it comes to university education the picture is equally gloomy: 16 to 24-year-old Muslims are half as likely to have degree level or above qualification than other inner London young people.
Again, social factors rather than religion have led to this state of affairs. Young Muslims in London are often of south Asian origin and therefore more likely to live in households where English is not the first language, more likely to encounter racism (both intentional and unintentional) during their education, and more likely to suffer from poverty and bad housing conditions.
But Tahir Alam, education spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, claims Muslim children do better in their own faith schools than in the mainstream state sector: ‘Muslim schools have their own distinct ethos. They use the children’s faith and heritage as primary motivators to provide the backdrop for their education and behaviour. This ethos is consistent with the messages that children are getting at home, so it is a very coherent operation between the home and the school.’
If Islam became the dominant religion in London the same ethos could be applied to schooling across swathes of underprivileged and deprived areas of the city. This could have a revolutionary effect on educational achievement and, perhaps just as importantly, general levels of discipline and self-respect among London’s young people. While controversy rages over faith schools, there are 37 Muslim schools in London. As of 2004, only five were state schools, but there is growing pressure to bring more into the state sector which, according to Alam, will ‘help raise achievement for many sectors of the Muslim community. Many private Muslim schools are under-resourced and if they can be brought into the state sector this valuable experience can be extended to more children.’
Food
Application of halal (Arabic for ‘permissable’) dietary laws across London would free us at a stroke from our addiction to junk food, and the general adoption of a south Asian diet rich in fruit juice, rice and vegetables with occasional mutton or chicken would have a drastic effect on obesity, hyperactivity, attention deficit disorders and associated public health problems. As curry is already Londoners’ and the nation’s favourite food (see our Brick Lane food feature), it would be a relatively easy process to encourage the adoption of such a diet. Not eating would be important as well. The annual fasting month of Ramadan instils self-discipline, courtesy and social cohesion. And Londoners would benefit philosophically and physically from even a short period when we weren’t constantly ramming food into our mouths.
Inter-faith relations
In an Islamic London, Christians and Jews – with their allegiance to the Bible and the Talmud – would be protected as ‘peoples of the book’. Hindus and Sikhs manage to live alongside a large Muslim population in India, so why not here? Although England has a long tradition of religious bigotry against, for instance, Roman Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that under the guiding hand of Islam a civilised accommodation could be made among faith groups in London. This welcoming stance already exists in the capital in the form of the City Circle (see Yahya Birt interview), which encourages inter-faith dialogue and open discussion.
Arts
Some of the finest art in London is already Islamic. The Jameel Gallery at the V&A houses ‘ceramics, textiles, carpets, metalwork, glass and woodwork, which date from the great days of the Islamic caliphate of the eighth and ninth century’ up until the turn of the last century. Or take a free daily tour of the Addis Gallery of Islamic art (at the British Museum). London-based Nasser David Khalili, an Iranian-born Jew, has amassed what is considered to be the world’s largest private collection of Islamic art. Islamic influences have also flourished in other areas of the arts, with novelists, comedians (Birmingham-born Shazia Mirza was an instant hit on the London circuit), and music (from rappers Mecca2Medina on, to the less in-your-face Yusuf Islam).
Social justice
Each Muslim is obliged to pay zakat, a welfare tax of 2.5 per cent of annual income, that is distributed to the poor and the needy. If the working population of London, 5.2 million, was predominantly Muslim this would produce approximately £3.2bn each year. More importantly, everyone would be obliged to consider those Londoners who haven’t shared their good fortune. London would become a little less cruel.
Race relations
Under Islam all ethnicities are equal. Once you have submitted to Allah you are a Muslim – it doesn’t matter what colour you are. End of story.
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The End of Europe
By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, June 15, 2005; Page A25
Europe as we know it is slowly going out of business. Since French and Dutch voters rejected the proposed constitution of the European Union, we’ve heard countless theories as to why: the unreality of trying to forge 25 E.U. countries into a United States of Europe; fear of ceding excessive power to Brussels, the E.U. capital; and an irrational backlash against globalization. Whatever their truth, these theories miss a larger reality: Unless Europe reverses two trends — low birthrates and meager economic growth — it faces a bleak future of rising domestic discontent and falling global power. Actually, that future has already arrived.
Ever since 1498, after Vasco da Gama rounded the Cape of Good Hope and opened trade to the Far East, Europe has shaped global history, for good and ill. It settled North and South America, invented modern science, led the Industrial Revolution, oversaw the slave trade, created huge colonial empires, and unleashed the world’s two most destructive wars. This pivotal Europe is now vanishing — and not merely because it’s overshadowed by Asia and the United States.
It’s hard to be a great power if your population is shriveling. Europe’s birthrates have dropped well below the replacement rate of 2.1 children for each woman of childbearing age. For Western Europe as a whole, the rate is 1.5. It’s 1.4 in Germany and 1.3 in Italy. In a century — if these rates continue — there won’t be many Germans in Germany or Italians in Italy. Even assuming some increase in birthrates and continued immigration, Western Europe’s population grows dramatically grayer, projects the U.S. Census Bureau. Now about one-sixth of the population is 65 and older. By 2030 that would be one-fourth, and by 2050 almost one-third.
No one knows how well modern economies will perform with so many elderly people, heavily dependent on government benefits (read: higher taxes). But Europe’s economy is already faltering. In the 1970s annual growth for the 12 countries now using the euro averaged almost 3 percent; from 2001 to 2004 the annual average was 1.2 percent. In 1974 those countries had unemployment of 2.4 percent; in 2004 the rate was 8.9 percent.
Wherever they look, Western Europeans feel their way of life threatened. One solution to low birthrates is higher immigration. But many Europeans don’t like the immigrants they have — often Muslim from North Africa — and don’t want more. One way to revive economic growth would be to reduce social benefits, taxes and regulations. But that would imperil Europe’s “social model,” which supposedly blends capitalism’s efficiency and socialism’s compassion.
Consider some contrasts with the United States, as reported by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. With high unemployment benefits, almost half of Western Europe’s jobless have been out of work a year or more; the U.S. figure is about 12 percent. Or take early retirement. In 2003 about 60 percent of Americans ages 55 to 64 had jobs. The comparable figures for France, Italy and Germany were 37 percent, 30 percent and 39 percent. The truth is that Europeans like early retirement, high jobless benefits and long vacations.
The trouble is that so much benevolence requires a strong economy, while the sources of all this benevolence — high taxes, stiff regulations — weaken the economy. With aging populations, the contradictions will only thicken. Indeed, some scholarly research suggests that high old-age benefits partly explain low birthrates. With the state paying for old age, who needs children as caregivers? High taxes may also deter young couples from assuming the added costs of children.
You can raise two objections to this sort of analysis. First, other countries are also aging and face problems similar to Europe’s. True. But the aging is more pronounced in Europe and a few other nations (Japan, for instance), precisely because birthrates are so low. The U.S. birthrate, for example, is 2.1; even removing births to Hispanic Americans, it’s about 1.9, reports Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute. Second, Europeans could do something about their predicament. Also, true — they could, but they’re not.
general Europe is immobilized by its problems. This is the classic dilemma of democracy: Too many people benefit from the status quo to change it; but the status quo isn’t sustainable. Even modest efforts in France and Germany to curb social benefits have triggered backlashes. Many Europeans — maybe most — live in a state of delusion. Believing things should continue as before, they see almost any change as menacing. In reality, the new E.U. constitution wasn’t radical; neither adoption nor rejection would much alter everyday life. But it symbolized change and thereby became a lightning rod for many sources of discontent (over immigration in Holland, poor economic growth in France).
All this is bad for Europe — and the United States. A weak European economy is one reason that the world economy is shaky and so dependent on American growth. Preoccupied with divisions at home, Europe is history’s has-been. It isn’t a strong American ally, not simply because it disagrees with some U.S. policies but also because it doesn’t want to make the commitments required of a strong ally. Unwilling to address their genuine problems, Europeans become more reflexively critical of America. This gives the impression that they’re active on the world stage, even as they’re quietly acquiescing in their own decline.
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This is sad. How immature are Anon and No2Liberals? Your behaviour just exposes your petty, vindictive nature and the fact that you do not have the character or perspective to rise above anything, hence why you are proponents.
Big Sis, how hypocritical of you to endorse it and giggle along with them after your previous posts calling for civility in a debate. Further more have you ever actually visited the UK or are you basing your comments about our apparent collapsing system on random articles plucked out by Anon who clearly doesn’t have anything better to do? If I was bored enough I too could scan the US media and find the same and more. Before you criticise the UK justice why don’t you ask Ron Goldman’s dad or Nicole Brown’s sister how they feel the US regards it’s victims? Their relative was only worth the price tag of a star lawyer.
We care about all life. We treat our sick for free, we don’t bankrupt them if they fall ill or decline them treatment if they are poor. We educate our children for free. If they work hard they can go to Oxford or Cambridge regardless of how much money their parents have. We made guns illegal and have nowhere near the crime rate or violence that is endemic in the USA. Virginia Tech and Columbine define a society gone mad for me. Lecture us when your defendants can’t buy their way out of their guilt and when your kids aren’t shooting up their classmates.
I am very proud of our humane prison system and the fact that we don’t just dispose of our citizens. There are some that will never see the light of day but we always monitor the evolution of our inmates and concentrate on rehabilitation so they might pay back the community and have a positive legacy rather than just waste their life and drain our resources. People can change. I’d rather have our system any day than the tombs of torture you run.
As for all the bullshit about London and Islam it is exactly the same as the scaremongering, racist articles that foresee your first language becoming Spanish as you become outnumbered due to the procreational habits of your ‘minorities’. London has retained its identity and defended itself from oppression for centuries. It remains one of the most vibrant, cosmopolitan, cultural and historical cities in the world. You have no real history or culture and that is one of the many reasons you are so stupid and shallow.
You claim not to care what we think, look at the posts you have made! They tell a different story about scared, desperate little men who know they are political relics. The Republicans are on the way out. Thanks for helping that along by choosing a nominee who echoes Bush (who most of the US can’t stand) and should be more concerned with choosing where to have his early bird dinner than running a country. You are finished and you know it.
If you want Europe to butt out then stop the genocidal practice of executions. We will never condone it. You don’t just kill your own citizens but foreign nationals as well in violation of international law. We have every right to opine on the subject.
Ultimately all your nasty comments, silly photos and attacks on the UK are distractions because you cannot get away from the fact that capital punishment is morally wrong and unjustified. You start with one murderer (presuming you convict an individual who is actually guilty) and you create more murderers from the guard who ties his arms down to the actual executioner who pushes the drugs. You manufacture more victims out of another family and for what? No matter how much you cloak it in the law it is simply about crude revenge for you. What an achievement! Strapping a defenceless man down and injecting him with poison while you watch him die in a vulgar ritual.
There is no grace or dignity in that. Proponents have blood on their hands and are in denial about a flawed legal system.
….*rant…rant…blah-blah-blah*
Then this:
You are still wrong, it justified ethically, morally, and legally. Three elements of which you are clearly lacking, as your failed system of justice suits you, and you want to export your failure to add validity to it.
So it hurt your wittle-feewings that we mocked you, after your admission of being dishonest about your purpose for posting comments here. Sux to be you. Continue on with your silly rants and your close minded agenda, you have lost any credibility as a serious commenter with me, just as the turd from Holland has, long ago.
No2Liberals,
You mocked yourself with your childish postings and photos etc – how old are you?
As for being close minded I am not the one who refuses to ever leave the USA, won’t watch or read anything that might challenge his opinion or question the system. You have no credibility or integrity as illustrated by your immature attempts to bully and humiliate me .
What hidden agenda did I have? I wanted to see what the mindset of right wing nut proponents was. I did and it confirmed and reinforced my suspicions.
We are not perfect in the UK. Unlike you we aren’t in reckless, conceited denial and openly admit it. Questioning oneself is how growth occurs. Despite being one of the oldest societies in the world and the pioneers of the justice system we are progressive. We constantly re-appraise our laws to be relevant and appropriate to the times.
I’m so pleased that you are soon to become the minority in the USA. Luckily there are inspiring individuals like Matt Damon, Michael Moore, Brad Pitt, George, Clooney, Susan Sarandon (the list goes on and on…) who show how the world how great Americans can be. You are reserved to be a cautionary tale in their films, a grotesque caricature of an era that we would like to forget but must be remembered so future generations won’t repeat the mistakes.
Oh, and I see you were up posting here at 5.21am. Your social life must be wild. I’m sure you could show us a rocking Saturday night, not!
Hasta La Vista x
“The End of Europe
By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, June 15, 2005; Page A25″
2005? Before the US credit crunch? Well, that explains it all. (And I suppose home schooling is to blame)
Adios, BDS77.
Thanks for illustrating how insincere radical leftards are, by being a liar about why you were here. You can try and back track, like B-HO is doing in his campaign, but your actions and your admission of being disingenuous as to why you were pretending to debate, tell the true story.
Praising the leftards in Hollyweird is an interesting concept, as they pat themselves on the back so often, anyway, even though most Americans view them as one would an animal in a Zoo. Interesting to look at, but one wouldn’t want to get in the cage with them.
That you wish this country to become as decadent and backward as yours, proves how insecure you are about your future there.
As for my earlier post, I actually had to meet with a client this morning, before he flew off to Bejing. I’m a committed laissez-faire capitalist, and the clock is for keeping appointments, not satisfying the deluded fantasies of a sick cheerleader of murderers.
Hope to see you back here real soon, or at least to express your foot-stomping, blue in the face outrage, that another criminal has received his just and fitting punishment, for crimes against individuals and society. There are other executions scheduled, besides the hood Hood, and I feel confident you can’t avoid expressing your prevarications when they are no more.
Touring the Front
Ain’t that the danged truth!
Illustrated so clearly from the radical leftard Euros that have commented here.
..back to Texas Death Row..
June 29th 2008 : Star-TeleGram.com
Witness says condemned man isn’t responsible for 1983 slayings
“Since 1984, Lester Leroy Bower Jr. has sat on Texas Death Row, convicted for the 1983 massacre of four men in a Sherman airplane hangar.
The Arlington man now faces execution on July 22, and as time runs out, his lawyers are fighting to save his life by trying to prove he was not the killer after all.
One key witness, a woman who came forward years ago, says it was her then-boyfriend and three other drug dealers who were responsible for the slayings.”
Yawn. There was already a hearing in federal court where this whackjob and others testified. The judge found it didn’t pass the smell test. Bower will be executed
Rants? Check out you and Anon’s various novellas!
Praising the leftards in Hollyweird is an interesting concept, as they pat themselves on the back so often, anyway, even though most Americans view them as one would an animal in a Zoo. Interesting to look at, but one wouldn’t want to get in the cage with them.
You mean icons that most Americans love? The box office on their movies, critical and revenues from publicity demonstrates that fact. It is they that need bodyguards because people are desperate to get into their cage! I adore them for standing up to idiots like you from a position you will never attain and a platform you will never have because nobody cares what you have to say except your cohorts here.
Illustrated so clearly from the radical leftard Euros that have commented here.
What has been illustrated is that you are a bitter, hateful, petty, vindictive individual. You are jingoistic, xenophobic, pious and judgemental, you take no responsibility for the social ills in your community that predestine the tragic fate of your youth, you are unable to recognise the individuality and consider the unique circumstances and context of DR inmates. You cannot see the huge distinction between a serial killer and an 18 year old robber who shot someone in a panic. You lack the humanity to find forgiveness or even understanding. You would rather allow an innocent to die than doubt your system. You want revenge not justice.
A punishment fitting to the crime? Maybe you could find a murderer who held his victim hostage, in 24/7 isolation in a filthy cell with sensory deprivation for an average of 9 years, who fed them on rat parts, watched them go insane and taunted them constantly with whether they would live or die before finally strapping them down and sticking them with the needle in front of their family who were powerless to intervene and a lynch mob baying for their blood…
Nothing will ever compensate for or avenge the senseless murder of an innocent victim. Especially not execution. It only produces more murderers and victims.
Ethically: There is too much evidence to suggest and basic common sense dictates that in a human system there is always a margin for error. If one innocent man dying isn’t enough for you will a 1000 be? This gamble is unethical when alternatives exist to eliminate the risk.
Morally: The State cannot say that it is wrong to take the life of a human being under any circumstances and call those that do murderers when they then murder the murderer. It is hypocritical. Two wrongs do not make a right and to quote a wiser man than me ‘an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind’.
Legally: Yes, unfortunately it is currently legal in certain states to execute a condemned man but only if he received a fair trial and where his guilt was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If that process was infallible there wouldn’t be any exonerations. It isn’t which brings the legality of all executions into question.
You’re right. I probably will come back to congratulate you on your new President, Obama but I won’t be back to fight executions on this blog. It has served it’s purpose. You have nothing else to tell me which is why you’ve resorted to a juvenile hate campaign. I’d rather escape now (before I’m sick) and use all my energy to work on my project and help the DR inmates and Anti-DP groups. That is how to fight executions. Plus Jacques is spot on – while we have balanced the commentary we have also made this silly blog interesting so we should stop indulging you and making your dull lives more exciting. It would have otherwise been a predictable litany of:
Kill, Kill, Kill, Why haven’t they killed the Boogeyman yet?, How many days /weeks / hours until he gets the needle now? Big Sis is holier than thou and has a monpoly on grief, We hate everyone who doesn’t agree with us – leftards! scumpals! Europe!Hollyweird! Most of our fellow Americans! Obama is black and therefore evil, Bush is a genius, When is the next execution? Can we go see him get it? Robbie be sure and tell us exactly how we murdered him! Texas, Texas, We’re so great! We kill more than any state! Kill, Kill, Kill the Boogeyman!!!
You’re welcome to it.
I was “laughing” at it because it was just so ridiculous. I’m sure you don’t look that bad….. I don’t know… Hell I tell everybody I’m 5′10, long black hair, no teeth and a hump on my back!
Your entirely way to serious…. hell you all been poking fun at each others views so whats up with a goofy picture, just let it roll off your back like water off a ducks back honey.
Continue on……
*blah-blah…blah-blah-blah*
You truly are a serial liar, as I see you came back once again, after saying hasta.
Novellas? WTH was that theft of bandwidth I just scrolled over. Repeating your nonsensical ideas of capital punishment again doesn’t make it true this time, either. Even if you do have echolalia, repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn’t alter the fact you are wrong on this issue, as the wisdom and the voice of the citizens of Texas so clearly express. You are a destroyer of civilized society, and you want your disease to spread to this wonderful country. You think that just because I am the only person who responds to your idiocy, that there aren’t others? Your delusions are growing exponentially.
Being so engrossed in your adoration of criminals, it’s obvious you haven’t heard that liberalism is a mental disorder. Get over yourself, or get professional help.
I was correct in my very first assessment of you, way back on this thread, you are a dingus, I just didn’t realize how totally whacked you were then.
Henh…yeah, Big Sis, let it roll, or she can move to California.
Apparently, it’s BDS77’s time of the month.
Obama is black and therefore evil
BDS77 is a racist? Can’t say I’m surprised.
Dors77, thank you – it was a pleasure reading your comments. I’m personally thankful you just beat no2liberals from left to right & from top to bottom – he just doesn’t realize yet exactly what hit him. He’s now stuttering and blah-blah’ing in his last couple of posts..
And you’re 100% right: use your energy to help DR inmates and Anti-DP groups. I will help anyway I can, in a constructive and positive way. It’s a promise. The outcome of all this is, you have one friend extra, and I’m proud to know you.
Thank you Robbie & UrbanGrounds for making this possible! It’s probably not the intention of this blog, but, as the American’s say so often, I couldn’t care less.
To all right wing conservatives around here (who really need to go out more):
See you!
Wouldn’t want to be you!
Wait…BDS77 said B-HO is black?
What a mega-dingus! He is biracial/mestizo/mulatto, but he certainly isn’t black. To claim he is black, despite the fact that his mother was caucasian, is racist, and gives credence to the banned Black Code Laws and Jim Crow Laws, which stated “one drop of negro blood” was all that was necessary to declare one black. I’m not going back to the racist laws the Democrats put on the books, seventy years ago, we have advanced beyond those days. Those laws were struck down by the SCOTUS in 1967.
No, you shouldn’t be, she is aligned with the Democrat’s ideology in this country, the party that gave us our racial past.
From the NBRA.
Unveiled: Democrats’ Racist Past.
Of course, complete leftard ideologues, like the dingus from England, will never accept the truth, as demonstrated so clearly up thread, but instead will rely on their feewings and fact challenged beliefs.
Hark!
The turd is back!
And you’re 100% right: use your energy to help DR inmates …
BDS77 is helping them right onto the gurney. Thanks!
Wait…BDS77 said B-HO is black?
Yep. But she is still in denial that he supports capital punishment and supported capital punishment for the aggravated rape of children. It is amusing how much she idolizes actors. I hope her immaturity is due to her age and that she will eventually grow out of it. Or, maybe, when she finds out she can’t make any bucks out of exploiting the death penalty, she’ll go on to saving lesbian whales or the other nonsense du jour.
One other note on B-HO, as this controversy will not only go away, but continues to gain attention.
As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount.
Aloha Snackbar!
Anon,
She is stuck in her development. Reminds me of the expression, a conservative is a liberal that got mugged. Personally, I don’t care, and don’t hold out much hope for her maturation.
Keep the faith, Big Sis.
Good hunting, Anon.
A big day planned with my 2 1/2 year old grandson. Taking him out to the Texas Motor Speedway, so he can watch me do some laps.
After all, I gotta be me.
Though she pretends that butter won’t melt in her mouth, how long before she throws a tantrum?
Hilarious. She’s already complaining because they didn’t welcome her with open arms. You tell ‘em, dors! You must be obeyed!
She’ll be back!
Probably just gone to the corner store to get her daily fix of cigarettes and Booze.
Dang, anon.
They didn’t want to mess with you today, and I know it’s not because they went to church.
LOL!
So now it’s Britt, eh?
She’ll lose it again, of that we can be certain. I have never considered joining a forum like that, but in this case, it might be entertaining.
I could even chose a new name, as mine gets searched so often, whenever a leftard gets mad at me, like the unflushable turd from Holland, googling for my IP address. I just noticed several separate google searches for my nic just in the past day, with five clicks on my profile at a blog where I contribute.
I wonder who it could have been?
/s
Blimey what a lot of posting since i last looked….!
I see the freaks Dors, Jaques and the rest are still off their meds.
Seemed to have hit a nerve with my public punishment and execution comments.
I stand by what i said and that it would have a huge impact on crime.
Oh and i did a quick poll of the pub over the weekend and while i was out and guess what Dors…..nearly everyone was in favour of bringing back the DP to the UK.
Now off you go back to PTO like a good little troll
Now off you go back to PTO like a good little troll
Oh, no. Dors who is now Britt or Britt77 has moved on to pro dp.com
Wait till they find out she is a scumpal.
Ok good morning….. I hate to sound stupid but what does PTO stand for?
hope everyone had a good weekend…..
Hi Big Sis hope your ok.
PTO is Prison Talk Online where all the scumpals and other freaks of society talk about whos got the greatest murderer.
eg
dorss77: my murderer killed 57 people and eats kittens and puppies.
mlover: well my murderer tortured his victims and ate their goldfish while blowtorching his genitals.
you get the idea
have a good one.
it stands for PAID TIME OFF.. no j/k it stands for prison talk online or something like that..
I’m sure y’all heard about this idiot the other day, but if not, here is the full story about this Democrat politician threatening to savage children on the witness stand after being raped. Video of his threat is included.
Florida prepares for 1st execution since foul up.
He will probably have to settle for skiing in Hell, as I don’t think the river Styx has any righteous waves….dude!
Schwab should be made to suffer. The pto crowd thinks he’s wonderful, of course.
thanks for the education…… the only DRI I am interested in is Hood…. This has most definately been informative…..
I am hanging in there…….. little chilly today… but the sun is out, it’s ony 73 degrees today…
More pto nonsense: I know he committed a horrible crime. But he is still a kind man, and it is now 17 years later, so he is not the same man who he was when he was sentenced. I know Jesus can forgive him, and I am just sorry that Junny’s parents can not find forgiveness in their hearts, even though Mark took their son away.
He committed numerous horrible crimes. He stalked, kidnapped, and brutally raped young boys. He took great pleasure in stalking these poor kids. He has not changed because sexually violent predators do not change. High five to the victim’s family who aren’t so gullible to believe that they have to forgive the nonhuman who raped and murdered their son.
Almost 300 posts later, Dors77 aka Britt77 aka Britt aka BDS77 is arguing that Scott Peterson is innocent. So far, she’s only been told to kill her self 4x and to perform oral copulation once. LOL
Big Sis, I understand.
I wish there was something I could say or do that would make the horror you and your family have had to live through, just go away.
I only posted that in keeping with this thread, to reinforce the types of people that society has to suffer with, until they are caught and removed, and how long we have to wait for final justice. Also, in light of the recent SCOTUS decision on not allowing the death penalty for child rapists. Did you happen to hear what Gov. Jindal of Louisiana had to say after the Supremes ruling? He said “fine, we will just chemically castrate them, and I don’t care what the SCOTUS says about it.”
Jindal in 2012!
Now, since this thread has been chuckle free for the day, I bring you the latest SCOTUS ruling Abdul the Party Clown vs. U.S.
No…ROTFLMAO!
She may be back sooner than we expected, as she will probably miss the civility she was extended here.
/what a dingus
Now she’s been told to jump in front of a train. I hope she stays there.
Wow. She has such superior debating skills that now the family member of a death row inmate is telling her to fk off.
Uh, oh. Dors is still lurking here because she took another couple of potshots at UG.
Now, someone told her to have a cup of STFU.
Live-Blogging A Dingus!
Has a nice ring to it.
OMG…Are you kidding me? Those ingnorant fucks….. give child rapists guns for self defense? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. What in the fuck is wrong with these blooming fucking idiots? They have all got to be a little touched in the head, better yet they need to pull their heads out of their asses and the pto peoples asses~
THAT IS DISCUSTING!
Big Sis,
Reign that pony in…whoa!
Iowahawk is one of the premier satire blogs known to man. Read it again, with a twisted sense of humor, like Iowahawk, then laugh your butt off!
Geez, thats funny, it seems “dark humour” ain’t sis’s strong suit. However, I prefer to believe that she isn’t as twisted as the rest of us…..yet.
The execution date has been moved to August 29 2008.
Big Sis,
Thanks for the update.
In some respects, I like the way Japan does it. No announcements, they just take them out and hang them, no press or witnesses, and let everyone know after the fact.
Would have loved to see Hood’s face when he got the news.
That is good news, Big Sis. I see that is a Friday.
It will definitely be a “good Friday”.
Or a good day to fry. Which ever you prefer.
Anon and No2Liberals!
You sad little internet stalkers. Jacques and I were right, this blog is so dull without us and you are missing having any excitement in your lives so you try to follow us around, have you got nothing better to do? You numb nuts didn’t even realise it wasn’t me posting, I’m not as sweet and polite as my better half so if you really want to see the insults fly wait until I get started. Although I still have to say the pros over there make way more interesting conversation. Stay tuned and live vicariously through me!
You two crack me up.
BigSis,
They changed it from Sept. 10th to August 29?
Good, the sooner the better.
Off on out vacation. STP in Denver, here we come. I will get hold of you when we get back so we can chat.
Stay strong.
XOXOXO
Toolgirly
hey I didn’t post that new date…. I know nothing about it…
[Editor --- That's weird. The IP address from whoever wrote that comment came from Mauritius. And whoever posted it, it was also the first time any comment has ever been posted from that IP.
So, as far as you know, the date is still Sept. 10?]
Oh, please BDS77. You couldn’t even keep your lies straight. Many of the same people who read and post here, read and post on other pro boards. And a number of them have infiltrated your anti boards and routinely spill the beans on you weirdos.
But, did you hear the great news? Hood’s execution date was moved up two weeks.
hey I didn’t post that new date…. I know nothing about it……..
How do we know that you are you? lol
I did wonder about it. They usually don’t set executions on a Friday for a reason that was explained to me but I don’t remember in sufficient detail to relate.
I don’t know how to verify it is me but rest assured who ever posted that on my behalf PISSES ME OFF……
If I read posts made on my behalf that I didn’t make I WILL BE THE FIRST TO CORRECT IT.
I checked the DR site and I have not heard anything from the courts about it….. believe me I am one of the first to be notified.
I also let Robbie know about it as he can track what IP addy it came from….. I only post from 2 computers and Robbie has them both so he would be able to verify it…..
I see Dors is back…. and I do not have a monopoly on Grief…. I have a monopoly on JUSTICE and no I will NEVER agree with your assinine beliefs…. that murders should have the same rights as their victims and families had/have. you are the one who is sick and twisted in your thinking…… Maybe you should take in one of these killers and give them the royal treatment…. you’d probably end up like my sister.
at least she was sexually assaulted and brutalized like the victims in the Mendellin case, she never saw it comming for that I thank God.
Well take care everyone…..
Thanks Robbie for verifying that post…. Must be somewhere across the way.
I will let everyone know when I hear something from the courts….
I would like to thank those of you that are great debaters, it’s not one of my strong points….. Sorry I didn’t catch the “dark humor”. I just tell it like I see it….. A big thanks to Anon, NO2, pathetic big hugs to you!
Without Europe posting here this little blog should have a name change..
urBORINGgrounds
we could live without your REDUNDANCY, jackoff!
BDS77,
Since you are obviously a pathological liar, with zero credibility at this site, anything you say in your defense only adds to the volume of nonsense you have posted here. Which, incidentally, seems to be a copy and paste job from this site to the other.
Posting here is a delight, when I get to hold the line against an enemy of society, like you.
I’ll be around much more often this weekend, as we will be celebrating our Independence Day holiday. You know the one, where we celebrate our freedom from a tyrannical British Empire, and the fool King George.
Other than time with my family, barbeque, and other excellent accoutrements, lounging in the pool and jacuzzi, I will be around to counter your insane ramblings, so if you think you are up to a battle of wits, even though you are unarmed, please…bring it!
BDS77 has been busted over on the other site. Apparently, they don’t find her as interesting as she claims to find them.
Uh, oh. Dors77 aka Britt77 aka BDS77 has registered under Dors77. Forums don’t tolerate members with multiple accounts. And, you set yourself up for being exposed in another lie. You truly are not the sharpest tool.
Henh.
What a dingus!
Happy 4th Big Sis & Robbie!
It is getting closer and for your closure I am very happy.
Dors…I am a Christian but that isnt the topic. The death penalty is. We are ruled by the Law of the Land of which God has put in place. This is why we have judges, juries and the like..to make these decisions. Do I support the Death Penalty..ABSOLUTELY! Can I forgive..yes…and that is all that is required..forgiveness. I think perhaps some of your penpals will be glad to know that.
I am not on here much Big Sis but you are welcome about the grave. Your sister was beautiful and I know it can not be easy. You keep your chin up and you take care of yourself and I will check back on progress.
I dedicate this song for agenda driven BDS77.
No more raping and murdering children for Mark Dean Schwab.
He will not be missed.
He will not be missed.
Don’t tell that to the scumpals of pto. They are in mourning.
Then I refer them to the song I dedicated to dingus.
Joy …… Thank you.
Great news about that piece of horse excrement Schwab. Although from what i read about the case he got off lightly after what he put that poor boy through.
and any PTO pricks can kiss my f*king ass if they think otherwise.
A song for No2Liberals and all proponents,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWhWSieCZIM
Heres one for you Dors77
Queen – Another one bites the dust !
Hope Schwab is enjoying his stay in Hell
Don’t feel bad Hood will be joining him soon.
Amen to Hood joining him soon…… I think that after they are executed someone should play Queens…… Another one bites the dust!
Very Loud so the scumpals can hear it, as they sit out side.
Big Sis,
So much for the apparent compassion you had for Charles’ family. What a stupid comment to make about the death of another human being. Proves my point, none of you have any dignity, you’re just a lynch mob baying for blood – you are as bad as the murderer.
[Editor --- Dors77, you say a lot of stupid, inane shit. But your last comment there proves that you are one of the stupidest fucking people on the planet. I'm surprised your smart enough to breath on your own. How you've lived this long is beyond me.
Seriously -- quit wasting air. You should never, ever, under any circumstance, be allowed to open your mouth and utter words again.
You are, however, the perfect woman for a death row inmate. Seriously --- that's all that you deserve in life and from a man. You don't deserve the real love of a real man.
Live with that, bitch.]
Hood and his family have made a lot of stupid comments about the deaths of Tracie Wallace and Ron Williamson. So, fuck them and fuck you too with your moral relativism. Proves my point that you are both an idiot and a murderer groupie.
Big Sis,
Love ya and always here for you!!!! An eye for an eye and a life for a life. Maybe some people in this world would think differently or have a different point of view if they had to walk a mile in the shoes of someone who had gone through something like this in their own life!! Not saying I would ever want someone to have to go through what you have, but from life experiences…….your opinion on topics change when it’s your life it involves!!!
WOW! I am speachless after those 2 posts and editorial comments.
See Dors77 you will never WIN any arguement you can throw….
Say anything you want about me cuz you dont matter, you do indeed deserve what you get in life, you have no self esteem as a woman… to be so involved with “saving” the scum you write to, shows you have no self respect for yourself as a woman either. Maybe it’s because it’s the only “safe” relationship you can have with a man, I do know that any self respecting woman would never stoop that low. I never have nor will I ever. It’s called standards in case you don’t know what I am talking about ….. You obviously have none.
So now…… don’t go away mad…. just go away…
Robbie,
I have expressed my sympathy for Big Sis on several occasions but I am also able to recognise that she is not the only person suffering in the aftermath of this tragedy. I have lost people I cared about to mindless violence, a dear friend’s mum was brutally stabbed when she was a kid. We felt hatred and rage, we wanted revenge but we refused to allow that to consume us. We tried to find understanding if not forgiveness. That is why we are not sitting here years after the fact counting down to an execution. We will never forget but we make the most of the time we have that the departed didn’t and try to live our lives in honour of them and their memory.
To say that it would be great if ‘Another One Bites the Dust’ is playing after the execution of another human being and that it should be loud enough for his friends and family to hear is not only insensitive but cruel from a person who understands grief and has said previously that she feels sorry for their pain.
Furthermore, no DR inmate has ever been anything but polite, kind and civil to me. These ‘monsters’ as you so narrowmindedly brand all of them to dehumanize them regardless of their individual circumstance and in your piously judgemental, over simplified black and white morality, have never even spoken a harsh word to me. Unlike the violent, menacing, intimidating and threatening post you just left. Reflect on that.
I love and am loved in my life because I am not a judgemental hypocrite, I believe a person can be worth more than their darkest moment. Is that really so terrible? Do I deserve to be called a bitch for objecting to the celebration of a man’s execution and believing that capital punishment is not justice rather it is a means to more murder, more victims?
Feeding revenge can only create more sickness in our society, as illustrated by the blood lust on this blog from people who are otherwise probably very pleasant and rational. I don’t honestly care what you think. A man who is so cold and morbid that he wants to attend executions as a spectator sport is more fucked up than I’ve ever been or ever will be.
Big Sis,
You know nothing about my standards. But I can tell you they don’t involve just turning my back on people because they did something terrible. We all have sin, we all make mistakes, some beyond redemption, some not.
Because when it comes to women who write to DR inmates you can’t think beyond cliche or stereotype you assume that I can only care about these guys if I am in love with them? Well sorry, but I am very much in love with a man who has never had and hopefully never will have numbers by his name. However, I can still find it in my heart, as can he to care about the guys on DR that we have come to know as human beings and not just murderers.
I really don’t have any animosity towards you, quite the opposite in fact. Take care of yourself and sorry again for your terrible loss.
I see you are avoiding returning to prodp. They have some questions for you.
Would someone please block stupis dors?
Dors77
You are a one trick pony doing the same trick over and over. It isn’t interesting anymore when you can predict what that pony is going to do next.
Since you can relate to drugged out music artists that write songs for their boyfriends on death row maybe you should listen to one of your own cultural hero’s
Amy Winehouse remake;
Dors77 aka Britt needs to go to councelling but she says no…no…no just because her daddy says she’s fine and she ain’t got the dime because all of her scum pals are robbing her blind… blind… blind. Just because your blind doesn’t make you fine. You need to go back to rehab because you drink to much wine… wine… wine.
Pony,
Don’t think I ever said Amy Winehouse was a cultural hero of mine, Michael Moore is and I adore how he mocks you. It’s cute how you managed to use Amy’s lyrics because you were bereft of original thought. You never surprise me either because you just come up with the same old cliches. FYI none of the guys I correspond with have ever asked for a penny from me, despite my offering the postage expenses. It is they that have sent me gifts, I haven’t parted with any cash so shows how much you know doesn’t it.
Finally the girl singing on the you tube clip is the sister of a DR inmate who is mentally ill and yet still, no surprise here, the state of genocide wants to execute him.
Great lyrics, why cant the pony jump higher.
I see, BDS77 is still too chicken to return to prodp.
Dors, stop fucking lying. You just began writing murderers. No one is going to believe that one, you have established any meaningful relationship with them, or two, that they have sent you gifts, unless you mean some trashy doodle. They will be asking for $$$. You can count on it, loser.
You never surprise me either because you just come up with the same old cliches.
And you have never surprised us. Every argument you attempt to make has been heard hundreds of times before and demonstrated to be fallacious. Yet, you repeat them again and again. You are factually, legally, and logically challenged. We’re not kidding when we tell you that you are dumb. So, take your dumb ass to prodp where they want you to answer some questions, chicken.
The Daily Stabbing Online
The risk from violent crime is now so high that people should walk away if they see someone else in trouble – in case they end up losing their own life. That was the depressing warning yesterday from the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson. He said he would tell his own children to ‘look after themselves first’ rather than help a victim in distress.
What a hell hole. How morally bankrupt. Now, who do we know that lives there? Oh, yeah…Biatch77.
I see more of the feigned outrage and humanity from BDS77.
What a droll troll. She’s not even entertaining anymore.
Repeating the same nonsense ad nauseum, and yet she hasn’t come to the realization she is not credible…no pathological liar is, once they have been unmasked.
BDS, you claim the murderers you have corresponded with have been nice to you, while we haven’t. Of course they have you idiot, they are psychopaths, it’s their stock in trade. And of course we have, you are an agenda driven liar, and we have just been honest with you about our perceptions of your purpose here. The only people who have been honest with you, are not murderers, and don’t want anything from you, unlike the psychopaths you adore.
So to review, you correspond with murderers, defend their oxygen theft, lie to us here, call us names, and yet you pretend to be the one who is offended or injured?
You really need to get your shit in order. You are indeed a sad, sick individual with no center.
Hi guys and gals…. this has nothing to do with the discussion of the DP. But I just wanted to share this with all……
Have you ever done something nice for a stranger? Well from time to time I just have to do something out of the ordinary…. Sometimes it’s buying the person behind me in line lunch…. today it was an elderly lady who was having difficulty getting out of her car at the gas station, I asked her if I could pump her gas for her…. at first she said she could do it herself…. I smiled at her and said she probably could but would she let me do something nice for a stranger today…. she agreed and let me pump her gas… I asked her how much she wanted put in and she said fill it up… well I filled her tank and told her how much it was..
38.05 so she gave me 40.05 to pay for her gas and told me to keep the 2 dollars… I said no way (it takes away from the gesture of just doing something nice). I gave her, her change back and thanked her for allowing me to do something nice….. You know the smile on her face just made my day.
Henh…good on ya’, Big Sis.
I have one.
I was in my buggy yesterday, about to head for the house for lunch, when a lady from Oklahoma asked for help. She wanted to know the best way to get to a freeway on the NE side of Dallas, which would give her a straight shot back to her home. We were just NW of downtown Dallas, and I told her I was going in that direction, and she could just follow me. As we started to enter the first freeway, it was backed up and stopped. I stopped at the red light and told her to just follow me, I was going native, and avoiding the backed up freeway. She seemed a little nervous, but she followed, and after about twenty minutes, we were on the second freeway, only a few miles from her exit, and she honked and waved as I took my exit, and she headed for her’s. I was glad to help her out, and I hope she knows there are some decent people out there willing to help out a stranger.
Dors, take the time to look up the TDCJ site, plug in executed offenders, read their last statements first, feel sorry for them, then take a look at the crimes they committed. Still feel sorry for them? 95% knew exactly what they were going to do before they left their homes that day, and certainly had a choice, the victims didn’t. So get off your sanctimonious high horse and get abreast of the real world. Being soft on criminals is not helping anyone. They get plenty of chances to “re-habilitate” before they face the ultimate punishment, so don’t be taken in by their new found spiritual serenity. If you stood between most of the d.r. inmates and freedom, you’d be well advised to lube up and say goodbye.
way 2 go…No2… yes there are DECENT people willing to help their fellow human being….. Glad to hear it..
Anybody else got any feel good stories to tell…..
Well said Eric… she is so full of herself she isn’t even worth responding to as she STILL HASN’T LEARNED TO TAKE THE COTTON OUT OF HER EARS AND STICK IT IN HER PIE HOLE.
Same pony shit different pill.
Including the rest of your barn yard friends
starting with:
Sean Penn; A drug abuser that belongs in the Pig Pen because he beats up on women.
Jacques; Another spaced- out pot head that can’t put his Bong down long enough to make any sense.
“The End of Europe
By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, June 15, 2005; Page A25?
2005? Before the US credit crunch? Well, that explains it all. (And I suppose home schooling is to blame)
Left by Jacques on June 29th, 2008 at 7:18 am
PS Can anyone make any sense out of that? Anybody, Anybody
Tom Workman; One of “Jerry’s kids” enough said”
Michael Moore; Your American idol that got caught fudging stats on CNN so his documentary could have more shock value and he can profit from misguiding Americans. Haven’t seen much of Micheal since his promotional tour.”Sicko”
Check out “Michael Moore vs Sanjay Gupta”CNN. com
written by why cant the pony jump higher
Some of the redneck posters here want Dors to die. A couple of them even painted a very graphical picture in words.
When somebody is executed you behave like a cheering lynch mob. How infantile is that.
Murderers have no respect for life, or at least not for the life they took, but that doesn’t say we don’t have to.
If we don’t we are the same as the murderers. So, with all you name calling, hatred, revenge seeking idiocy I understand Dors’ statement.
Robbie wants to witness executions? His letter was the funniest thing I’ve read so far this year. I had to check the date again, was it April fool’s day?
And about me on drugs?
WHO survey of 17 countries finds that the US have the highest rates of marijuana and cocaine use.
The United States has some of the world’s most punitive drug policies and has led the cheering section for tough “war on drugs” policies worldwide, but a new international study suggests that those policies have been a crashing failure. A World Health Organization survey of 17 countries, conducted by some of the world’s leading substance abuse researchers, found that the US have the highest rates of marijuana and cocaine use.
The numbers are startling. In the United States, 42.4 percent admitted having used marijuana. The only other nation that came close was New Zealand, another bastion of get-tough policies, at 41.9 percent. No one else was even close. The results for cocaine use were similar, with the United States leading the world by a large margin.
This study is important because it’s the first time a respected international group has surveyed drug use around the world, using the same questions and procedure everywhere. While many countries have their own drug use surveys, the questions and methodology vary, and comparisons between countries are difficult. This new study eliminates that problem.
Some of the most striking numbers are from the Netherlands, where adults are permitted to possess a small of marijuana and purchase it from regulated businesses. Some U.S. officials have claimed that these Dutch policies have created some sort of decadent cesspool of drug abuse, but the new study demolishes such assertions: In the Netherlands, only 19.8 percent have used marijuana, less than half the U.S. figure.
Even more striking is what the researchers found when they asked young adults when they had started using marijuana. Again, the United States led the world, with 20.2 percent trying marijuana by age 15. No other country was even close, and in the Netherlands, just 7 percent used marijuana by 15 — roughly one-third of the U.S. figure.
End of Europe? We will watch the end of the US (as we know it) first.
Ok I just received a call in the early morning and I was told that Hood was attacked and shanked to death. The nightmare is finally over!!
I am going to my sister’s grave today to put a toy truck on her head stone.
Take Care.
Well, I suppose that’s not a comment from the real Big Sis either, as there’s no news about this elsewhere.
DallasNews.com:
Editorial: Ethics questions in Charles Dean Hood case
10:32 AM CDT on Monday, June 30, 2008
“The public deserves more than avoidance. This is more than a question of guilt or innocence of one man. Rather, the judiciary must recognize the cloud of suspicion that hovers and the need to clear the air.”
Jacques, I did not know that you were a Muslim.
Dors77 strikes out again with yet another repetative comment on her “tame” DR scumpals.
Get your ears syringed and listen up !
The scum you and your cronies write to and adore so much will do anything to con you. Whether its money, dirty pics or your [gulp] underwear. They don’t give a shit about you or anyone else and i’m gonna puke if i hear “being in jail has changed him” or “he was so young” when he butchered all those innocent children.
They haven’t changed and never will. Just look at the repeat offender stats.
When someone makes the choice to murder another human being they give up their humanity simple as that and so is no longer “human”.
and regards my previous post that you called barbaric on public punishments and executions.
Violent crime and the thug scum who enjoy intimidating others have no fear of the system if caught. Why would they when tree hugging crazies like you send them on rehabilitation “holidays” and crap like that.
Don’t tell me being flogged or put in the stocks for a good “past its sell by date” fruit and veg pasting wouldn’t make them think twice before trashing someones car or stealing a pensioners savings to spend on crack.
All your arguments are flawed at the deepest level.
“End of Europe? We will watch the end of the US (as we know it) first.”
US economy.
Jacques will you stop trying to turn this into a Europe / US war.
The UK has always been in the middle and i like it that way.
We are a fiercely independant people who have the misfortune to have a baboon as prime minister at the moment.
Why do you think we rejected the euro ?
I spend a lot of time travelling in europe and the US and the people in general are very friendly.
Please keep on topic.
Pathetic
You can tell Jacques to stop attacking Western Culture and stick with the death penalty. Than I will do the same.
I think he’s spending too much time in cafes smoking dope.
Jacques;
Know it makes perfect sence why you plan on spending three months in the US.
This just in Charles Dean Hood is not dead. I hope this idiot posting as me gets a shank or 2. I am going to the Loo to play with myself.
Bye
So I need to stay on topic while you can post stupid jokes, idiot pictures etc. etc.
Well, hell, let me think about that..
(1/1000 sec. later.)
Well, hell, NO! (Ban me..)
And:
“The United States has some of the world’s most punitive drug policies and has led the cheering section for tough “war on drugs” policies worldwide, but a new international study suggests that those policies have been a crashing failure.”
I’ll buy and use my ‘_Nederwiet_‘ (WikiPedia) in Holland, thank you very much..
Jacques = zzzZZZzzzZZZ
That’s so cute… I bet you a million to nothing, had you been walking home from a friend’s house near TC Jester that Peter Cantu, Efrain Perez, Sean O’Brien, Joe Medellin, and Raul Villareal would not have been anything ‘but polite, kind, and civil’ to you.
Now fuck off.
Compare and contrast:
Retired Brit Soldier Killed for Asking Punks Not to Swear in Front of Woman.
Retired U.S. Marine Shoots Two Armed Robbers — Kills One.
Head and chest shots. Good shooting, Gramps!
Well my fellow Americans have a safe and enjoyable INDEPENDANCE DAY. I will be staying with great friends this weekend celebrating our indendence from british rule.
Everything isn’t perfect in our country but I wouldn’t want to live anyplace but here.
Hey i’m British and fully support the DP and am petitioning to get it reinstated in the UK.
Please don’t knock us. We are not in europe and never want to be.
Unfortunately we have bottom feeders like Dorss77 making us look bad.
Anyway have a good holiday.
Nothing personal, Pathetic. But if brits are going to criticize the US, criticism of the Brits is fair game. I think it is unfortunate that innocnet citizens of the UK who try to protect themselves are treated like criminals.
Pathetic, I wish you well in your endeavor to restore rational laws and punishment in your country. I have no difficulties with reasonable people, irrespective of their country.
As for what anon said about how UK citizens are treated by the law, one need look no further than the bizarre treatment of Tony Martin, for defending himself and his property. Not only is he vilified for using a weapon in self defense, he is prosecuted for it. The day you and your countrymen were disarmed, you became what politicians love most, unarmed peasants. It creates a terrible mind set on the innocent, law abiding citizen, and an even more terribly emboldened mind set on the part of drunken yobs and career criminals.
People have taken the word vigilanism, and turned it into something bad, when it has often been used to restore the rule of law, and the safety and security of a community.
Here is an excellent example of why it is so important for citizens to be armed.
The Battle of Athens, Tennessee.
It’s a long piece, but try and put yourself in the position of the men in this event, and understand why we feel so stronly about this God given right.
Here are some stories about Armed Citizens in this country. Each year, on average, 2.5 million American’s defend themselves, their families, and their property from criminals, and less than 1% of the time, is a shot even fired.
Fight for your rights, friend, and demand justice, don’t request it.
It all fairness, until very recently, in some US cities, it was against the law to posses a handgun even in your home. So, if a psycho nut burst into your house in the middle of the night, you could shoot and kill him and not be prosecuted for doing so, but you could still be charged with a misdemeanor illegal possession of a firearm.
Anon,
Yes, but those few cities are soon to join the rest of the U.S. in observing the U.S. Constitution’s restrictions on what government can do.
Wow, First we have 10 Anonyous’s, and now we have two Big Sis’s??
She signs it NOT Big Sis. I went away for awhile and when I came back in here, I see that a few people started writing a book! I am not going to read those long long posts so I will just say to the Sis, the REAL Sis to have a safe and happy 4th!!
To the other NOT Big Sis, You are a sick person trying to put facts in here that are just not true. You have no idea what you are saying so may I suggest that you stop? Let’s let the real Big Sis inform us as to the status of Mr. Hood because frankly, no one would believe you anyway, least of all me. Gee Thanks. Tom
The yob culture in the UK is out of control. Successive governments have been elected on a “law and order” platform and delivered zilch. Our city centres are no-go zones after 7pm and virtually every home has extra security measures. Our elderly are prisoners in their own homes and many carry “panic” alarms. Whilst our police and citizens do not carry firearms almost every thug does. Our whole society is divided into 2 groups. The wealthy “do-gooders,” who live in areas where crime is rare, and the working classes who live with crime every waking day. Unfortunately the first group, which includes the likes of Dors77 etc. make the rules for everybody. It’s easy for priveleged filmmakers like Dors and her kind to tell everyone else how to live and tell us to accept homicidal maniacs back into the fold while she decides to have a merlot or a burgandy. She has no clue or sense of reality because reality is not standing in HER loungeroom armed with a Bowie knife and fucking good behaviour bond! My 86yo mother was recently subject to a road rage incident by one of these yobs, get these fuckers off the streets and if necessary off the planet! And as for you so called “do-gooders” you can join them.
Plus I would just like to state for the record I would love to take it uppa the bum .
Cheers
[no2liberals]
Yes the Tony Martin case was a f’ckin joke and made every thug, thief and crim think they can do what they want and the law is on their side.
It’s very sad that if i get broken into and happened to grab a baseball bat and wrap it round the scumbags head i would be the one facing prosecution ! While the scum could sue me for damages !!!!!!
Makes me soooooooo mad the way we have had all our rights removed and handed to the criminals.
[big eric]
Yob culture is at epidemic proportions and will not get any better until this huggy feely send them on a tax payers holiday so they can get in touch with their inner feelings crap ends.
Put them in stocks and let all the poor bastards who have had their cars scratched, property trashed, been spat at and threatened recycle the contents of their bin all over them.
Then they won’t be so smug. ASBO what bollocks. They are proud of it. Like to see how proud they are having rotten fruit and veg thrown at them for all to see.
The news today a french couple stabbed 296 times and set alight.
FFS 296 times. Well Dorss how should we rehabilitate these offenders ?
Pathetic,
As horrific as the Tony Martin story is, you haven’t seen the end of the idiocy coming from your country, particularly as it pertains to Islam.
Schoolboys Punished for Refusing to Pray to Allah.
BTW, the Gates of Vienna is an excellent source of issues concerning your island, and Europe, in the counter-jihad community. Click on the title to go to the home page.
This is insane. No one should be forced to practice outside their own religion. And then to punish the kids for this crap, too? But, did you also notice in the Daily Mail article the contortions the parents were making to say they were not racist, they didn’t have a problem with the school, etc. Steam should be coming out of their ears, not apologies.
Anon,
I agree. It’s that type of tepid response that encourages the radical left to pursue their agenda, and take the minor outrages, as they come, as a sign of a weakened opponent.
My response would have been that the teacher should be fired without severance, and have the principle of the school hauled in front of the parents association for a round of verbal abuse. Followed by a lecture to the class on the Christian faith and the spread of democratic principles.
No2liberals I read the article you posted and what a load of bollocks. That is absolutely disgusting, but unfortunately not surprising. I am a primary school teacher and in the last few years we have had an influx of Muslim students. No problem until they started complaining about our Christmas production. They complained to the Principal about how much time was being spent on preparing for it (at the end of year when most of the teaching and reports have been done) and said they did not want their children to participate. That’s fine to exclude them if need be, but they had the gaul to expect a teacher to be excluded too to individually teach these children not participating. If you choose to live in a western country with mainly christain beliefs then you can not expect that country to change their ways just for you. It was their choice to come here. If we went to Saudi or something alike we would be expected to conform to their laws or get thrown in jail, eg. no women driving and wearing burkas etc. The old saying goes “when in Rome”.
Catherine,
Yes ma’am, you are correct.
This the religion of The Perpetually Offended we are talking about, though. In their belief system, all are to observe Islam as the ultimate authority.
It’s little wonder that even questioning the Koran, or Ol Moh himself, will get your head chopped off. Demanding tolerance from others, while extending absolutely no tolerance for any other belief. To those people, they should gaze upon the bottom of my feet.
Who doesn’t wuv the widdle puppy wuppy? That’s right. Them.
FFS time to emigrate…..
I give up with this country. We bow to the ethnic minority, let sex offenders loose on the street and persecute our own native people.
Abandon hope all who live in this once green and pleasant land.
Pathetic,
I hate to see any one abandon their country because of a feckless government.
Fight back!
Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
Easy to say but not easy to do without free speech protections. In Canada, the UK and under the EU, hurt feelings are an actionable offense, if not criminal, offense.
Seldom are worthwhile endeavors easy.
Thomas Paine
It was true two hundred and thirty years ago, and still true today.
Im from the UK an i wrote to charles once he’s a lying piece of shit. I hope that he’s shitting his Y fronts right now. if i served time with him id terrorise the little joker. They should have the DP here in the UK. im all for it. LIL SIS my thoughts are with you baby.
Well care to share? Its always interesting to hear what he has said to others so we can laugh at his outragous lies.
Who is LIL SIS?
Thanks for your support of the DP.
Hi Big Sis,
Hope all is well with you these days , it’s been a real roller coaster ride for you this past while.
Is there any concrete news on a new execution date ?
Take care.
Hi Ron…. the new date is Sept. 10th……
Indeed it has been a coaster ride…. but I will be back down there in September.
Thanks
http://www.myspace.com/dors77
Pamela’s Interests
Cinema, TV Drama, reading, travelling, yoga, macrobiotics, Selfridges, spending too much money on photography books, handbags and DVD’s, binge drinking with my mates and smoking way too many Marlboro lights.
Lol!
WAY TO FUNNY ANON!
Oh, she’s on to us. She changed her profile from public to private. Too late, Dors … I saw that you identified yourself as a “swinger.” I guess that makes you STD77. Lol!
*snort*…*chuckle*
You lot really are tragic. I’ve had Robbie threaten me and now Anon is stalking me. If I am as insignificant as you say I am then why are you so obsessed with my life? I know you don’t have one of your own but get some perspective!!!
I’ve moved on from this daft blog – veni, vidi, exidi. All you stand for is kill, kill, kill. It’s dull and perverse. I’d rather use my energy in a more effective way instead of wasting time trying to debate with a bunch of ignorant, hypocritical bigots who are ultimately irrelevant. Why can’t you evolve as I have? Why do you need to chase and harass me?
Get over it! I know you are a bunch of bitter little freaks with nothing better to do than count down to executions but your obsession with me only serves to damage rather then help your cause. It exposes the truth about how sad and vindictive you are . So leave me alone and concentrate on filling the void in your own soul, spank your inner moppet, join a dating exchange so you are not so lonely! Find a higher purpose to your existence than celebrating murder and following me around cyber space!
Yawn. STD77, you wouldn’t have changed your myspace page if you had not been lurking here checking up on us. And you wouldn’t be on other websites posting potshots at UG if you thought we were irrelevant. So, can it, hypocrite. Only you would think thug loving and group sex is “evolving.” Hahaha. I see you are still avoiding prodp, who also has been checking up on you.
Yawn, Anon. The swinger statement was a joke that went above your head, no surprise there, in any case at least I’m having sex cause going by your level of angst you sure aren’t getting any! I changed the my space page because Jacques advised me to be more thorough with privacy. Because Robbie can’t be trusted not to violate his legal obligations in regards to confidentiality. Jacques was right – you did stalk me.
[Editor --- First of all, you deluded imbecile, I have no "legal obiligation" in regards to your confidentiality. Any information that I have about you, you posted yourself. I have never sought out nor published any additional information about you. Frankly, I could give two shits about who you are.
Secondly, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking if you think I've written anything that even closely resembles a call for violence against you.
I'd ban you for such idiotic remarks....but frankly, you're a riot and such an easy person to mock.]
I’ve been threatened with violence here. Called a bitch and individuals, including you and Robbie have painted graphic fantasies of my imminent death. So of course I checked up on it to see how much more danger I was potentially in. All of this bullying, stalking and intimidation from the self professed ‘holier than thou’ proponents who allegedly stand for decency and a respect for the sanctity of human life… You are the hypocrites.
Obviously, STD77, honesty is not your policy. You changed your myspace page because it backed up our poor opinion of you and it was proof positive that you are a nut. Robbie does not owe you or anyone else a legal obligation. Also, reading what you yourself posted on a public internet is not stalking. If so, then you spent the last hour stalking UG … fool.
Still editing your posts, I see. I put you in the same position as one of the victims of one of the murderers you were giving a tongue bath to. What’s the matter? Didn’t like it? Thought it was scary? Well try to think what that poor young girl felt while she was repeatedly raped and murdered. Yet, you repeatedly lie about her murderers in a cheap attempt to make them appear sympathetic. You are sickening.
Dors77 = professional victim & swinger!
You are the one with the “holier than thou” attitude you blooming idoit….. STD77…. hmmmm .
What a dumb shit you are….. you are so self assorbed with your death row scum you can;’t see the forest thru the trees.
rotflmfao!
The swinger statement was a joke that went above your head, no surprise there, in any case at least I’m having sex cause going by your level of angst you sure aren’t getting any!
Of course, you were not joking. Every time you are exposed you try to lie/deny your way out of it. Swapping sex partners is nothing to be envious of and frankly, it is a sign of just how empty inside you truly are. Look at yourself — trying to attach yourself to rapist/murderers, sex games, excessive boozing. See a psychiatrist.
Robbie,
This seems pretty threatening to me:
I’m surprised you’re smart enough to breath on your own. How you’ve lived this long is beyond me.
Seriously — quit wasting air. You should never, ever, under any circumstance, be allowed to open your mouth and utter words again.
Add the ‘live with that, bitch’ on to the end and tell me how you would feel if somebody said this to you?
IP and e-mail addresses are only revealed to the administrators of the site so how come they have been shared with other people on here if you didn’t reveal them? I know I didn’t hand out those details.
Toughen up, Sugar Tits!
Anon, you’ve been googling me beyond this site and the debate of capital punishment. That is stalking.
I have never been threatening towards you, why does a difference in opinion warrant the harrassment I have been subjected to?
Swinger77: Typical anti, i.e., making up their own definitions for legal terms. No, you are not being stalked. You came to this forum and insulted everyone and then ran back to other websites and bragged about it. These are public forums on the death penalty that people read routinely long before you got it into your head that murderers are cute. Therefore, applying your logic, you are stalking us. Cease and desist!
I have never been threatening towards you, why does a difference in opinion warrant the harrassment I have been subjected to?
Neither I nor anyone else has threatened you. If you feel we have, call the cops. Otherwise, stfu. Again, you coming here and insulting everyone and running to other forums and insulting us some more was not you expressing a difference of opinion. If calling you on your b.s. is harassment in your eyes, so be it. It’s not our fault that you are so mockworthy. Also, why aren’t you on prodp? I’m sure, unlike UG, they would recognize how much you have to offer and could teach them about the death penalty.
Well if you can’t take the heat honey get the hell out of the kitchen!
Henh…leftist chicks have standards, don’t you know.
/follow the captions at the bottom
You need advice from JacqAzz on how to protect your privacy?
Oh my!
I didn’t think I could be even more underwhelmed by BDS77’s poor judgement. I admit I was wrong about that, she has exceeded mega-dingus status.
Does this mean there is a potential hook-up for those two?
The People’s Cube is great. Best thing about an election year.
I was a fan of their’s when they were still Communists For Kerry.
Oh, no! Swinger77 thought I was serious when I told her prodp was interested in her ideas. She slipped over their and is scolding them. She’s definitely been drinking.
Hi STD77! I can’t believe you are still up and on UG. Me, I’m on my way to bed.
Sorry about the long sermon just wondering Dors77 if you could comment in a intellectual manner on this article.
LIVINGSTON, Texas – Deia Sutton Roberts and Ronald Curtis Chambers have sat front row center in the capital punishment arena for more than 30 long years – since just after the modern death penalty was reinstated.
MELANIE BURFORD/DMN
Ronald Curtis Chambers, 52, has lived on death row – which is now in Livingston – longer than he lived in the free world. He was set to die Thursday for the brutal murder of college student Mike McMahan in Dallas’ Trinity River bottom in 1975; she’s the other victim, who survived being robbed, shot, choked and beaten to testify against Mr. Chambers.
On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court guaranteed that their torturous tandem journey through the capital punishment world will drag on – possibly for years – after it granted Mr. Chambers a stay of execution.
Though no reason was given, Mr. Chambers’ attorneys have raised questions about jury instructions regarding mitigating evidence, an issue pending in the court, and whether keeping someone on death row for decades is cruel and unusual punishment.
Ms. Roberts, a Dallas wife and mother, was disappointed and angry by the latest setback Monday afternoon – but determined.
“This man did an incredibly violent thing,” she said. “He’s been tried and convicted three times with the same outcome – the death penalty. That’s the law, and it should be carried out.”
Mr. Chambers, who has lived alone in a 60-square-foot cell on death row for more than 31 years – longer than anyone in state history – could not be reached for comment Monday. His attorney James Volberding, who has worked on the case for more than 10 years, was relieved by the ruling.
“We were all sweating,” he said.
The Supreme Court’s action halted the execution but has not determined how the case will be handled.
Regardless of what happens, neither side is ready to quit.
“Never,” Ms. Roberts said.
“No way in hell,” said Janna McMahan, sister of the victim.
Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins said that if a new sentencing trial is required, his office would seek the death penalty.
“It’s pretty clear-cut,” he said. “I’ve seen the pictures, I’ve read the police report. It’s pretty bad.”
Mr. Chambers has never volunteered to die or drop his appeals.
“Everybody has survival instincts,” Mr. Chambers said in an interview before the stay was issued. “I’m not a person who believes in suicide or self-destruction.”
For both sides, the view of the evolving death penalty over the past three decades has been rarely pretty and is always personal.
As a 20-year-old college student, Deia Sutton didn’t devote much thought to capital punishment. It had been outlawed in 1972 by the U.S. Supreme Court because of its arbitrary nature. Texas legislators refined the law to meet the court’s concerns and reinstated the death penalty in 1974.
Didn’t fight abduction
But Ms. Sutton hadn’t been touched by violent crime then. She felt invincible. That changed in April 1975, when she and Mr. McMahan were abducted at gunpoint from the parking lot of a nightclub by Mr. Chambers and Clarence Williams.
“We did everything ‘right,’ ” said Ms. Roberts, now 52, who goes by her married name. “We left at a reasonable time, when people were still there. And when they abducted us, everything they asked for, whatever they asked for, we gave it to them. We didn’t resist when they said, ‘Get out of the car.’ ”
According to court records, Mr. Williams drove to the Trinity River bottoms with Mr. McMahan in the front seat. In the back, Mr. Chambers, 20, laid a shotgun on the floor and held a pistol to Ms. Roberts’ face, threatening to kill her. He took her watch, coat and purse.
After Mr. Williams parked the car on a levee, the two men pushed the couple down the bank and shot them. A bullet lodged in Ms. Roberts’ skull. After they crumpled to the ground, Mr. Williams and Mr. Chambers headed back to the car.
In a fateful move, Mr. McMahan then called out to Ms. Roberts, asking if she was all right. Mr. Williams and Mr. Chambers heard him and returned. Mr. Chambers beat him repeatedly with the shotgun. Mr. Williams beat and choked Ms. Roberts, then Mr. Chambers struck her with the gun.
The two men left again, assuming both victims were dead.
Mike McMahan did die. His cranial bone had been driven into his brain, and one of his ribs had fractured and been driven into his lung, according to the autopsy.
Amazingly, Ms. Roberts survived. She managed to stagger to a hotel for help.
Her physical wounds healed quickly, though the bullet remains in her skull. The psychological wounds took longer to mend.
Years later, she can’t watch violent movies or read certain novels. She’s cautious about going out at night, even to the grocery store, and won’t enter a dim parking lot if she feels uneasy. Probably more than most mothers, she worries about her children’s safety.
And she still has graphic nightmares.
“There is not a week goes by, I don’t think or dream about it,” she said. “They are images that just don’t go away even after all these years.”
Through the years, she has wrestled the horrific memories into a corner of her mind. But the nightmares come more often when a development occurs in the case. Over three decades, developments have occurred frequently, including parole hearings for Mr. Williams, who pleaded guilty and received two concurrent life sentences, three trials for Mr. Chambers, numerous appeals, and now the stay of execution.
Still, Ms. Roberts is steadfast. She has testified at each trial, kept up with the appeals and protested Mr. Williams’ possible parole.
If she was ignorant about the death penalty in 1975, she’s not anymore.
“I do believe in the death penalty, because I experienced something so horrible that I can’t imagine that this was an ‘oops, I made a mistake and killed someone,’ ” she said.
“At some point, I don’t care what your upbringing is or the circumstances you’re in, you are responsible for your actions … when you take somebody’s life, you have to know there are consequences.”
Three times, Mr. Chambers has been tried – in 1975 for the first time; in 1985 after courts determined that he was not warned that information from a psychiatric interview could be used against him; and in 1992 after courts determined that jury selection had been racially tainted.
And three times, he’s been found guilty and sentenced to death.
Witnesses, evidence
Ms. Roberts wants criminal defendants to have a fair trial. But she doesn’t understand why in cases in which there is little question of guilt, second, third – and now possibly a fourth – chances are given. Mr. Chambers was tied to the killing not only by her testimony and that of others, but also by physical evidence including her purse and the shotgun found in his possession.
“It sometimes appears to me that our system is more concerned about protecting the guilty than the victim,” she said. “I think things should be more
I am in total agreement with Ms. Roberts statement and feelings that our system is more concerned with the guilty instead of the victims.
Yes they are entitled to a fair trial, but guilty is guilty and there has to be consequesence to ones actions regardless of their “mitigating circumstances”.
Victims’ Families Petition Against Texas Man’s Execution
On July 10, Carlton Akee Turner is scheduled to be put to death in Texas for the murder of his adoptive parents when he was 19 years old. But a majority of the victims’ relatives are speaking out against the execution. Victim Tonya Carlton’s brother, Kelly Johnson, wrote in a petition to the Board of Pardons and Paroles, “I do not wish to see my sister’s only child executed. I believe in my heart that my sister would only have wanted Akee to receive the help that he needed to restore his mind to a sound state.” Tonya’s first cousin and close friend Krishell Colemen said, “I don’t think Carlton [the defendant] should be executed. I don’t want him to be executed. Now that I know more of the details that led to the murders, I realize that he needs help. Killing him is just another murder. Nothing is going to bring my cousin back. Killing him will just hurt our family again, the way Tonya and Carlton’s murders did.”
The clemency also cited Governor Rick Perry’s statement that Texas can “never forget the impact felt by crime victims” while reminding the Board that the “vast majority” of the victims’ family members don’t want to see the couple’s son executed. “Executions are held out as a talisman that will provide the victim with closure,” said the petition. “This belief serves in part as a rationale for executions. But, in Mr. Turner’s case, an ‘eye for an eye’ truly does leave a family blind, twice robbed of their own.”
The petition also pointed out that Turner was convicted by an all-white jury, with no black citizens even making it to the voir dire phase of selection. The petition argued, “The capital prosecution of an African American man by an all white jury from a jurisdiction [Dallas County] with such an extensive record of discrimination in exactly that arena should cause doubts in the first instance.”
More…
Same old b.s. The defense has yet to offer any independent proof for the accusations of physical abuse. Are we to believe that his mother would have just stood by and done nothing as her husband abused him? The only abuse chubby suffered was not being allowed to drive his parent’s cars after his robbery conviction four months before he murdered his parents. I think of his poor mother, locking herself in a room to get away from him, Turner getting a key and opening the door while she tried to block him, and then the monster shooting her.
The law does not require that blacks sit on a jury. The law does required that the jury pool be representative of the racial makeup of the community. By draw they are then seated in the jury box. If they exhibit a bias, they can be challenged for cause or excused by peremptory. If this was not an arguable issue on his numerous appeals, it has no merit now.
Anyway, his clemency petition was denied.
Big Sis,
Get a load of Charles pleading for help !
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2008/06/64188.php
What do you make of this ?
P.S. Tracie was a very beautiful girl , great picture.
Carlton must have his butt plug inserted and getting into his diaper by now.
The U.S. Supreme Court has denied two appeals from condemned Texas inmate Carlton Turner — who faces execution night.
Time to hop onto the gurney.
“I’ve been sorry for the last 10 years. I wish you could accept my apology,” he said to an uncle who watched impassively through a window. “
Apparently, not every member was willing to give him a pass on a double homicide.
Apparently, not every family member was willing to give him a pass on a double homicide.
Thanks for the links Ron…. he sounds desperate… is anybody listening though?
Sissy was very beautiful both inside and out. She was funny in a child like manner, if she was around you, you couldn’t help but laugh or smile, she was always upbeat. July 16th is Sissy’s birthday, I will put flowers on her grave again this year. She is missed by all of us, the sun not as bright as it once was.
Adios Turner.
Hope you enjoyed that little high quality pharmaceutical buzz the state gave you.
Dang, Big Sis.
With her birthday coming next week, I can only say God Bless You and your family. I hope the 16th will be a beautiful day.
Her murderer will pay the price, rest assured, and his begging and pleading only adds to the image I have of him as the lowest form of man.
A man that would ignore other’s rights to life for his own personal aggrandizement.
God has blessed me… he has shown me patience.
I am sure that Sissy’s day will be a beautiful one.
His day will come soon enough….. I got the image of him on his knees crying …. please won’t somebody help me…. poor poor me…. tough shit should have thought about that before he murdered my sister and Ron.
I do not want to be attacked. I am not saying anything to upset or offend anyone. I am not trying to defend or accuse, I would just like some more information. Please do not say anything negative or rude to me about this.
My friend told me about the case. I found out a lot of information on here. Information the news will not tell you. My eyes started to get a little foggy, so I decided it was time to stop reading and just ask my questions.
I am having a huge problem grasping how Mr. Williamson made the 911 call and Hood was heard in the background, yet four minutes later Hood was gone in Mr. Williamson’s car and Mr. Williamson was dead.
All these questions are let’s say Hood is telling the truth and is innocent.
1] Were there any possibilities of it being a murder/suicide? The idea doesn’t make complete sense to me. Could Mr. Williamson have killed his girlfriend, forged the note, called the police and killed himself? Would there had been any reasons for him to kill himself? I guess he couldn’t throw his own body into a closet, hmm.
2] Could Hood have been working with someone? Maybe, he didn’t pull that trigger, but he had someone else do it? The only reason I ask this question is because I don’t understand why he had to run away. He knew they would think it was him. Leaving a crime scene is also crime, I believe. Why didn’t he either stay and talk to the police about it? [I did see the thing about the two other guys that did it when Hood was there, so no need to explain that one again] Or maybe those guys made him leave, but why didn’t he go to police afterwards? I am sure he was scared of those guys, but still the police do help to do things to protect you and your family. It would probably be a lot better than sitting on death row right now.
3] Are the 100% positive it was Hood’s voice in the background?
Let’s say he did do it.
1] Why does he insist on proclaiming his innocence? In his letter, he continues to talk about how everyone lied. He would be quite the hypocrite if he were lying as well.
I am having a hard time coming up with defending questions on that one, because in my mind I have already decided he has done it. Only for the simple fact that he ran away from a crime scene and was there moments before Mr. Williamson was killed… I am also starting to get a little tired and my computer is dying.
Again, I am just trying to find out more information about the case, I am not trying to start any of the other bickering I keep seeing on this.
Again, I am just trying to find out more information about the case, I am not trying to start any of the other bickering I keep seeing on this.
Why is it you come here seeking answers to your questions and the first thing out of your mouth is an insult?
Anonymous:
Read the first sentence again please. I wasn’t trying to insult anyone. I was just saying, because it is the truth. Everyone bickers. I don’t want to be bickered at.
I do not want to be attacked. I am not saying anything to upset or offend anyone.
Other people don’t want to be attacked, either. And stating that you aren’t offending anyone, doesn’t make it true.
IC, all that about not wanting to bicker or be attacked aside, I honestly don’t understand your puzzlement over Hood’s actions, the evidence against him, and the nearly twenty years of judicial review.
One could pose many hypotheticals, such as a purple frog might have flown out of Hood’s butt and murdered those two innocent people.
Hood had a history of criminal activity and anti-social behavior, his fingerprints were found all over the crime scene, coated with blood of his victims, he had the deceased man’s car in another state, he cashed a check from the deceased, and had their personal belongings with him. There is no info to indicate any behavioral problems with his victims, that would indicate suicide, quite the contrary, friends and family have commented on how happy they were, and that his business was growing.
I don’t understand where you are confused or puzzled on this. That Hood is begging and pleading, and grasping at any thread that might save his sorry ass, is understandable. He is a sociopath and is incapable of, or unwilling to, face the consequences of his actions, as he believes anything he does is just hunky.
And this…honestly.
He shot the victim, got in his car, and left. Why is that so difficult to believe?
What you quoted No2Liberals, that’s what I was saying. I have a really hard time believing he is innocent, because of that simple fact. I was wondering if any of those theories are possible…
Anonymous, let me rephrase that, I am not purposely out there to offend anyone. An old friend taught me a cool little saying Q-TIP. Quit Taking It Personally, please.
Then quit making it personal, jackass.
As to your murder suicide theory: Yeah, Williamson shot Wallace then shot himself in the back of the head and cleverly disposed of the gun postmortem within minutes of the police arriving. The only problem Williamson and Wallace had was with Hood. Wallace told her sister shortly before he murdered her, that Hood was creepy and she was frightened of him and that they were going to ask him to leave. Sounds like a motive to me.
You’re ’somebody else was there and forced Hood to leave’ theory is not based on any evidence and is too stupid to address.
Witnesses familiar with Hood’s voice, testified under oath that it was Hood’s voice. That is how voices are authenticated in courts of law. Voice prints are not admissible because they are not widely accepted within the scientific community, i.e., they are not reliable. But, Hood still uses it to sucker idiots in with. Additionally, as to whether it is his voice or not, you have Williamson on the 911 tape speaking to the other person as if he is Hood.
Now, all this is in the threads and comments that you claimed to have read, yet you still question his guilt. Maybe, you should skip the simplistic mnemonics and try to improve your critical thinking skills.
The Death Penalty: More Protection for Innocents
Dudley Sharp, Justice Matters, contact info below
Often, the death penalty dialogue gravitates to the subject of innocents at risk of execution. Seldom is a more common problem reviewed. That is, how innocents are more at risk without the death penalty.
Living murderers, in prison, after release or escape or after our failures to incarcerate them, are much more likely to harm and murder, again, than are executed murderers.
Although this is, obviously a truism, it is surprising how often folks overlook the enhanced incapacitation benefits of the death penalty over incarceration.
No knowledgeable and honest party questions that the death penalty has the most extensive due process protections in US criminal law.
Therefore, actual innocents are more likely to be sentenced to life imprisonment and more likely to die in prison serving under that sentence, that it is that an actual innocent will be executed.
That is. logically, conclusive.
16 recent studies, inclusive of their defenses, find for death penalty deterrence.
A surprise? No.
Life is preferred over death. Death is feared more than life.
Some believe that all studies with contrary findings negate those 16 studies. They don’t. Studies which don’t find for deterrence don’t say no one is deterred, but that they couldn’t measure those deterred.
What prospect of a negative outcome doesn’t deter some? There isn’t one . . . although committed anti death penalty folk may say the death penalty is the only one.
However, the premier anti death penalty scholar accepts it as a given that the death penalty is a deterrent, but does not believe it to be a greater deterrent than a life sentence. Yet, the evidence is compelling and un refuted that death is feared more than life.
Some death penalty opponents argue against death penalty deterrence, stating that it’s a harsher penalty to be locked up without any possibility of getting out.
Reality paints a very different picture.
What percentage of capital murderers seek a plea bargain to a death sentence? Zero or close to it. They prefer long term imprisonment.
What percentage of convicted capital??murderers argue for execution in the penalty phase of their capital trial? Zero or close to it. They prefer long term imprisonment.
What percentage of death row inmates waive their appeals and speed up the execution process? Nearly zero. They prefer long term imprisonment.
This is not, even remotely, in dispute.
Life is preferred over death. Death is feared more than life.
Furthermore, history tells us that lifers have many ways to get out: Pardon, commutation, escape, clerical error, change in the law, etc.
In choosing to end the death penalty, or in choosing not implement it, some have chosen to spare murderers at the cost of sacrificing more innocent lives.
Furthermore, possibly we have sentenced 20-25 actually innocent people to death since 1973, or 0.3% of those so sentenced. Those have all been released upon post conviction review. The anti death penalty claims, that the numbers are significantly higher,are a fraud, easily discoverable by fact checking.
6 inmates have been released from death row because of DNA evidence. An additional 9 were released from prison, because of DNA exclusion, who had previously been sentenced to death.
The innocents deception of death penalty opponents has been getting exposure for many years. Even the behemoth of anti death penalty newspapers, The New York Times, has recognized that deception.
To be sure, 30 or 40 categorically innocent people have been released from death row . . . (1) This when death penalty opponents were claiming the release of 119 “innocents” from death row. Death penalty opponents never required actual innocence in order for cases to be added to their “exonerated” or “innocents” list. They simply invented their own definitions for exonerated and innocent and deceptively shoe horned large numbers of inmates into those definitions – something easily discovered with fact checking.
There is no proof of an innocent executed in the US, at least since 1900.
If we accept that the best predictor of future performance is past performance, we can reasonable conclude that the DNA cases will be excluded prior to trial, and that for the next 8000 death sentences, that we will experience a 99.8% accuracy rate in actual guilt convictions. This improved accuracy rate does not include the many additional safeguards that have been added to the system, over and above DNA testing.
Of all the government programs in the world, that put innocents at risk, is there one with a safer record and with greater protections than the US death penalty?
Unlikely.
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Regarding the rabid dog and monster references to capital murderers.
Humans consist of Hitler, John Gacey, Mother Theresa and everything in between.
Jurors in death penalty cases know this. They also know that even murderers are capable of rehabilitation. Yet, they also decide that some crimes are deserving of the death penalty.
Remember, there are, of varying degrees. only three modes of change for a capital murderer:
1) they can improve, through positive rehabilitation. Good. But, even an improvement could still result in a really bad person.
2) They can stay, more or less, the same. Bad.
3) they can become even worse. More bad.
Regarding Europe and the US’s death penalty reputation:
This, from the French daily Le Monde, December 2006 (1):
Percentage of respondents in favor of executing Saddam Hussein:
Great Britain: 69%
France: 58%
Germany: 53%
Spain: 51%
Italy: 46%
USA: 82%
We are led to believe there isn’t death penalty support in England or Europe. European governments won’t allow executions when their populations support it: they’re anti democratic. (2)
97%+ of Guatemalans support the death penalty. 2.6% oppose
(telephone survey, newspaper Prensa Libre, 2/14/08)
www(dot)latinamericapress.org/article.asp?lanCode=1&artCode=5545
79% support the resumption of hanging in Jamaica. 16% oppose. (Bill Johnson Polling for The Gleaner (Jamaica) Newspaper, 1/12-13/08
Two-thirds of Czechs for death penalty reintroduction – poll
Prague- Almost two-thirds of Czechs believe that death penalty should exist in the Czech Republic, while one-third believes the opposite, according to a poll the CVVM agency conducted in May and released. June 12, 2008, Ceskenoviny.cz/news/
(1) The recent results of a poll conducted by Novatris/Harris for the French daily Le Monde on the death penalty shocked the editors and writers at Germany’s left-leaning SPIEGEL ONLINE (Dec. 22, 2006). When asked whether they favored the death penalty for Saddam Hussein, a majority of respondents in Germany, France and Spain responded in the affirmative.
(2)An excellent article, “Death in Venice: Europe’s Death-penalty Elitism”, details this anti democratic position (The New Republic, by Joshua Micah Marshall, 7/31/2000). Another situation reflects this same mentality. “(Pres. Mandela says ‘no’ to reinstating the death penalty in South Africa – Nelson Mandela against death penalty though 93% of public favors it, according to poll. “(JET, 10/14/96). Pres. Mandela explained that “. . . it was necessary to inform the people about other strategies the government was using to combat crime.” As if the people didn’t understand. South Africa has had some of the highest crime rates in the world in the ten years, since Mandela’s comments. “The number of murders committed each year in the country is as high as 47,000, according to Interpol statistics.” As of 2006, 72% of South Africans want the death penalty back. (“South Africans Support Death Penalty”, 5/14/2006, Angus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research).
Welcome, Dudley Sharp!
scumpal
How pro-death penalty people refer to anti-death penalty people who write death row inmates.
It’s a shame your scumpal was executed. Will you find a new scumpal now that yours is dead?
scumpallery
the act by a scumpal of writing to and fawning over a condemned murderer on death row.
Scumpallery is usually practiced by crazed Euroweenie women or, if by an American, those of a size that confirms they are Wal-Mart shoppers. Scumpals are firmly convinced their scumpalees are completely innocent of the crime for which they were duly convicted and sentenced, and thus worthy of their time and whatever monies the cons can scam out of them for their commissary accounts.
The crazier ones of this gathering of idiots occasionally fly across the ocean and actually marry the convict. A freezer bag-turkey baster child, whom we will all get to support via our tax dollars, is sometimes the result.
Some websites are devoted almost exclusively to scumpallery.
Emma writes to death row convicts and occasionally sends them money. Therefore, Emma is a scumpal and a practitioner of the reprehensible act of scumpallery.
An American in Holland, hacks a young Dutch man to death with an axe, and how is he punished?
Fifteen years in prison.
It’s the enlightened thing to do, I take it.
/sarc
As always y2l is putting quotes out of its context or is just misinformed.
The US peace-activist was searching for a Dutch Soldier as a victim (because the Dutch supported the war in Iraq), but because the dick was a coward, waited not long enough he just killed an student.
And about the 15 years, he’s got ‘TBS’ as well – which means he’ll be probably never be a free man.
On an anti-forum, someone said that he is a paralegal that works for prisoners on Texas death row. Though annoyingly vague, his implication was that Hood was not well liked among other prisoners, receives too much money from his scumpals, is not what he appears to be, and people should not feel sorry for him.
Who is a paralegal? Hood is a scammer… he lied about him needing money to go see his mother who supposedly died…..when he worked at the club. Funny she was at the trial. So it is not surprising that he is not well liked in prison either. He is not what he appeared to be, and no way in hell do I feel sorry for him.
The good book says I don’t have to forgive murder.
Today was/is my sisters birthday…. my flowers were delivered today yellow roses… as they were her favorite.
big sis….
I see JacqAzz is still an idiot with poor reading and comprehension skills.
Hope it was a beautiful day for y’all, Big Sis.
I’ll bet the yellow roses are fabulous.
You may want to check this out. However, be forewarned: There is a *real a-hole* posting there.
ASSHOLE IS NOT THE WORD….. To see those words hurt… My sister was not a coke whore by any means… and if i would ever see the pathetic piece of humanity that called her that I would tear his fucking nuts off and smile while doing it…… it brought tears to my eyes. Shame on them…..
Thanks for the forewarning Anon. I wanted to make a post but didn’t see a way to post it without joining.
I can’t wait for that Son of a Bitch to be executed…. I am so angry right now it isn’t even funny. How dare they call my sister that, they have their heads shoved so far up an inmates ass they cant see anything but shit….. there fore they are all shit for brains.
I am still coming down when it’s time… I sure hope the victims services person sends me my money soon so i can buy another ticket.
Robbie… Andy contacted me and asked me to stay with him when I come back….. I am going to put both you and Andy on the witness list, to hell with sitting upstairs, I want you both standing beside me.
And jackass doesn’t even deserve acknowledgement….. he to is a shit for brains!
You were smart not to join that group – the owner is an ass and loves to harrass everyone. Only losers that aren’t allowed elsewhere are members there. Its where the banned and soon-to-be banned idiots go, that and the Pameeeeeeeeeeeeeee board.
yeap thats where all the losers go! Hope everyone is doing well… me, I am just biding my time.
Take care…..
First of all my heart reaches out to you BigSis and the rest of your family for the loss of your sister and also to Ron’s family as well. I for one will be ecstatic when Hood gets put down like the dog he is. As for Pam’s board we are all on the same side here. There has been NOTHING on her board glorifying this murdering scumbag or any other scumbag. Same as here people drive by and take their shots occasionally. When Hood goes down we will celebrate that justice has been done for Traci and for Ron. It’s sad when someone has to hide behind anonymous to take cheap shots. I have a ton of respect for Robbie and the work he does here. I read a lot but don’t post here. I think it’s a little petty to try to take pot shots at off2dr when we are all on the same side. ……Jeff
What makes you think that the person who left the comment on July 24th, 2008 at 10:33 am , is a pro?
As to the other forum referenced, linked to, which Big Sis was referring to, they have allowed some of the most vile lies to be posted, and until very recently, allowed them to go mostly unchallenged. After I posted the link I realized it was a mistake and no family member should have to read that crap. For that, I am sorry.
I think Jeff was trying to point out that Pams board is nothing like lifeontherow, on Pams board murder victim families are very protected and nothing such as that would ever be allowed. She actually runs a nice site., I didnt think she would stick to it when she started a few years ago but I have to admit, I am impressed.
No one was referring to her website except the person who posted at 10:33 am and who is unlikely to be a pro.
Why not a pro? Pro’s dont like Pam which is why she had to start her own board, no one wanted her as a member. She was and IS STILL a skank.
well there is just a little over a month to go! They can say what they will I know in my heart what my sister was like….. it took a while but i finally cooled off from reading that bullshit. Pot shots taken by idiots that are just running their mouths….. hmmm stupid is as stupid does.
take care everyone….
Love Big sis
[Editor --- Glad you're doing well and staying strong, J.
Did you ever get the jams in the mail? How were the tomato preserves?]
yes I did get the Jams! They arrived safe and sound. Thanks again for your hospitality. I am still waiting for my reimbursement!
I am doing well, working alot, to much according to friends, but it keeps me busy.
See ya on the next trip!
A friend of mine recently informed me that this idiot Charles Dean Hood, or “Dean” as he liked to be called, was still alive and that his execution had been stayed, again. I couldn’t believe it. We looked it up on the web and sure enough, it was Dean. I hadn’t thought about him for years and thought that he had been 6-feet under for some time now.
I worked for Ron Williamson and he was a good friend of mine. I have no doubt that he murdered Ron and his girlfriend Tracey. I had to laugh when I read an earlier blog where Dean rambles on proclaiming his innocence and about how he’s a good Christian. Give me a break, more like a “convenient” Christian. He goes on a ridiculous rant about his former girlfriend, Amy, and how she lied on the stand. As if her testimony had anything to do with the guilty verdict that was returned.
I’d like Dean to explain to me how he ended up with Ron’s $70,000 Cadillac Allante in Indiana, along with some of Ron’s jewelry and credit cards. I read where Dean stated that Ron let him “borrow” the car. Yeah, that makes sense! Let me get this straight; Ron came home for lunch, let you borrow his new Cadillac, gave you his credit cards for the trip and threw in some of his jewelry for good measure. And while you where on your way to Indiana, someone else came in and murdered Ron and Tracey. Yeah, that makes sense!
As for the idiots out there who want to free Dean and who think he is innocent, you can go screw yourselves. I worked with Dean. He was a twisted freak. Can someone also let Dean know that he won’t be going “home” to see Jesus when he dies? He’ll be going the other way.
the Fifth Circuit denied his appeal on the clemency issue, and I imagine if he seeks to raised even more claims it will not be for a few more weeks.
I got this today for the DA’s office….
Thanks Tex for your information…. he is indeed a “convienent ” Christian… and will be headed for HELL when he is executed on September 10th. I will be there for sure.
Robbie I am waiting for the paperwork to come so that You and Andy will be witness. Take care and thank you again for your hospitality and support…
When Hood was arrested, was he or his girlfriend in possession of a bracelet belonging to Tracie?
That I couldn’t tell you…. but sissy didn’t wear much jewelry, unless Ron had given it to her….. I don’t recall her telling me about anything a bracelet but it has been along time.
The death penalty is like letting them off – to rest. Put him in an old mine shaft if the tax dollars are too much but don’t execute the cretin – that is tooooo easy. Also – the victims family then has to live the rest of their lives wondering if executed person is having a “wonderful time” somewhere on the “other side”. Surely knowing he’s in a hole somewhere is better.
The perp’s family on the other hand, are not deserving of the pain they endure – they didn’t commit any crime. Who wins??? NOBODY
Suggestion: Chuck them down a dis-used mine shaft or something similiar where the sun doesn’t shine. Put bars at the top of the shaft and dangle some delicious delicacies with mouth watering aromas just short of the mits of the perp. This is surely better than releasing them from the pains of life with the needle or whatever execution tool is used. It is also effective tax-dollar wise.
Our country has 100x more murders, rapes etc. than the US. Not many (if any) pple here who have not been victims of crime of one sort or another and the majority are asking for the return of the death penalty. As a victim of crime and talking as a relative to another murder victim, I would like to reiterate my belief that the death penalty is too good for these disgusting people.
I am interested also interested to know when Scott Peterson is scheduled to go.
PS Ed – I’m not the wierd foreigner slagging you guys off above – I happened on your site following a search on Scott Peterson as I’m reading a book about him. Curious as to all the claims of innocence and vice versa. He doesn’t seem innocent….???
Am from SA
1. Suggestions that murderers should be put in a hole and sweets dangled in front of them are ridiculous and can only happen in your fantasies. They contribute nothing to a serious discussion on the death penalty.
2. It is a fiction that life in prison is so bad that death is worse: Life’s What You Make of It. If lwop was so bad, murderers would not fight tooth and nail to avoid the death penalty. Very few murderers waive their appeals.
3. Your statement that the murderers family is being unfairly punished is nonsense. The person to blame for any grief they feel is their relative, the murderer. Most murderer’s family want nothing to do with them. As to your comment about who wins, this is not a game.
4. In the long run, executing a murderer is cheaper than housing and caring for them for the rest of their life. Executing them also prevents them murdering prisoners and correctional officers, escaping and murdering citizens and police officers, and ordering murders from prison. You can put no price on the lives of innocent people.
5. If people in other countries do not want the death penalty in their countries, that is their business. But 2/3 of the people in the US support the death penalty and that is our business — not yours. And if foreigners come to this country and murder our citizens don’t whine if they get executed.
6. Peterson hasn’t even been assigned an attorney for his direct appeal. It usually takes anywhere from 4 to 7 years. He’s been on death row for about 3 1/2.
The claims of innocence are from his groupies and fan club, who suffer from hybristophilia – being sexually aroused or attracted to people who have committed gruesome crimes. Hybristophilia is now a recognized psychiatric illness.
There is overwhelming evidence of Peterson’s guilt. Whether he is executed or not, one thing is sure: he will never walk free from prison.
Thanks for reply and perspectives as well as update on Peterson. I certainly meant no offence. Observer only
Well i got my plane ticket today to come down, as of yet the cvc has not yet reimbursed me… I guess it is a long process! i guess i could think of it as “money in the bank”!…. Well it again is getting closer to closure. I wish i could have taken more time off when i come down but ….. alas … the boss said NO!!! Maybe the next time i come down it will be a real vacation!
take care….
Keep hanging and maintaining, Big Sis.
We got your back.
after reading all the evidence i think a whole lot different now about the situation. that ass-hole used to write to me proclaiming his innocence,
In every single letter he kept asking me for money. EVERY SINGLE time. i didnt think u needed money on death row. Bib sis are you going to do another timeline for 10th september?
Robbie will be in attendance with me and there definately be another time line of our events.
Glad to see, you have seen the light. The only thing he needed money for is his attorney, so all of those who he writes to and they send him money.. are paying for his legal help….
uh oh looks like somebody got edited….
Big Sis,
Who did what to whom?
Saw a news story about Cooey, claiming he is now too fat to be given a lethal injection.
/a-hole
Too fat for lethal injection!! thats a new one! The amounts of drugs given will kill a horse or two! Thats just to funny!
Robbie…. I received a call from the crime victims services they are sending me the necessary paper work again…..
n2l… don’t know what you are referring to…..
I didn’t see where that happened, so my question remains…who did what to who?
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Ah I see said the blind woman!!!! I don’t know…. Hey Robbie can ya fill us in a little? It must have been bad for you to edit it..
It’s not an edit. It is spam made to look like a trackback.
Yep. It was trackback spam. Trying to catch all of them, but some are slipping through.
I might have to disable trackbacks for a while, as these are becoming serious problem.