Flight 93!?! WTF?

The only allegation is that they served on a board together.

Scary.

(The issue is whether the organization who paid for the ad is legally allowed to run election advertising in this way.)

Left by Preston on August 26th, 2008 at 9:44 am

It appears that one of Obama’s “mentors” was an unrepentant commie, perv and pedophile: Frank Marshall Davis

Left by Anonymous on August 26th, 2008 at 9:47 am

Although I think Obama is your best choice to lead your country over the next few years, I was surprised to hear that he had added a few States whilst you guys weren’t looking.

Maybe he’s split up Texas into 8 equal parts?

Jonny

Left by Jonny on August 26th, 2008 at 10:58 am

First of all, it is not true that the only allegation is that Obama served with Ayres on a board.

But, beyond that, if I was asked to serve on a board with a known terrorist, I wouldn’t do it, period. What kind of person would? That’s the question I have.

Left by dianne on August 26th, 2008 at 11:38 am

(other than your dismal failure the one time you were handed anything closely resembling executive experience)?

That’s some rich irony, considering the duncecap who currently holds the office.

Left by Pat on August 26th, 2008 at 11:56 am

By the way, ain’t Celebrity McCain just Fabulous?

John McCain was on the Tonight Show last night for the thirteenth time.

A little bird points out who else has been on the couch with Leno that many times: “Pamela Anderson, Dr. Phil, Larry the Cable Guy, Simon Cowell, Jennifer Love Hewitt.” Schwarzenegger has been on twelve times; Obama has been on once.

Left by Pat on August 26th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

That’s some rich irony, considering the duncecap who currently holds the office.

I have noticed that the America -Haters have cut back on the use of the word ‘chimpy’. HMMM. I wonder why? hmmmm……..

Left by Artruen on August 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

HMMM. I wonder why? hmmmm……..

I don’t get it. Say what you mean.

Left by Preston on August 26th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

Texas constitution says it can still split into 5 separate states…..

Left by Bill Lodenski on August 26th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Actually, the Ayers/B-HO association began in 1987, before he went to law school, and they met during a heated strike in the Chicago Public Schools. B-HO was brought into the Annenberg Challenge by Ayers in 1995, a big step for an unknown community agitator organizer.

Given the long and close ties between Ayers and Obama and the professional ties among education debt repayment advocates Ayers, Darling-Hammond and Ladson-Billings, it is reasonable to ask if this kind of race-based approach to educational problems is going to be part of the Obama presidency.

Obama was not as you contend an elected official when he first worked on school reform with Ayers in the late 80s, nor was he even yet a candidate when he became Chairman of the board of the Annenberg Challenge in 1995. He was a relative unknown and quite a junior person at that point, just two years out of law school when Ayers submitted the grant proposal, with only a voter registration drive to his credit since leaving Harvard.

Thus, I think it is a fair question to ask why Obama would have been chosen to head up such a prestigious effort as the $110 million Annenberg Challenge. I think Ayers backed him because he knew he could rely on Obama to support Ayers’ agenda of propping up the troubling and troubled local schools councils.

And, in fact, the record of the Challenge - its annual reports, mid term reports and board minutes - indicate that that is precisely what happened. Even when concerns were raised by a business sector representative on the board that the councils represented a potential “political threat” to school principals (and unions??) Obama backed Ayers in pushing money into the school council election process.

Finally, when you suggest that Obama played no significant role in directing the Challenge, are you suggesting that as chairman of the board of a major non profit corporation in the state of Illinois, that Obama had a hands-off attitude? That he was NOT aware that the Challenge was signing off on, for example, a $175,000 grant to Ayers buddy Mike Klonsky, as they did in 1995 for the Small Schools Workshop Klonsky was recruited to head up by Ayers? That suggests to me a problem of fiduciary duty. Quite unlikely for a Harvard Law School graduate - and frankly, more worrying for me about Obama if true.

No, I think Obama knew exactly what he was doing when he voted as a board member to approve the disbursement of millions of dollars in order to intervene in the Chicago school wars. And so did Ayers. They were using each other for advancement of their careers and their shared political perspective on education policy.

The Challenge ended in 2001. It is certainly reasonable for voters to ask seven years later for Obama to explain the relationship and Ayers’ influence on his approach to education policy.??

Whither The Teacher’s Union?
Oh, and people are interested in this story, which is why B-HO and his handlers are willing to stifle free speech, by threatening any broadcast service to air these ads.
It doesn’t matter, as far as the election is concerned, as B-HO’s numbers have been falling for months, and any thoughts of a Denver bounce are quickly fading.
He’s done, I just hope the donks don’t realize it before the floor vote tomorrow, and pick Hillary.

Left by No2Liberals on August 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

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Left by No2Liberals on August 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

That was a strange innernut hoo-doo event.

Left by No2Liberals on August 26th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

Am I the only one wondering if everything seems to be imploding on Obama and the democrats in general?

You have Edwards.
You have Ayres.
You have Bill and Hillary.
You have Barack fumbling the abortion issue on national tv in CHURCH and even the catholic church slapping Pelosi around for her inane abortion comments.
You have the liberal MSNBC pundits practically going to fisticuffs on the air.
You have no bump with Biden.

I can hardly wait to read the books that are going to be written after this is all over and McCain is President.

Left by dianne on August 26th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

I just posted on this, too. Barry is now sicking his attorneys on the American Issues Project that produced it. None of this video can be refuted - facts are facts. He won’t be successful. Now, if it will just get MAJOR TV air time! How damaging!

Left by pam on August 26th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

I’m waiting for the roll call to be canceled and the PUMAs booing when Obama is announced as the winner.

Left by Anonymous on August 26th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

Am I the only one wondering if everything seems to be imploding on Obama and the democrats in general?

I guess if you ignore the fact that a record 81% of Americans believe our country is on the wrong track.

Left by Preston on August 26th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

I’m waiting for the roll call to be canceled and the PUMAs booing when Obama is announced as the winner.

Want to put money on it?

Left by Preston on August 26th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

But not if you recognize the fact that this donk majority Congress has the lowest approval rating in history.
Let’s see, country is on the wrong path and Congress is incompetent. Sounds like the donks could lose seats in Congress, as well as the White House.

Left by No2Liberals on August 26th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

I guess if you ignore the fact that a record 81% of Americans believe our country is on the wrong track.
Yip, the 94% employment must just be killing people. Please provide a source for this ‘81%’.

I don’t get it. Say what you mean.
You don’t get it because you are dumb. I mean that in the pure sense. Like as in not bright. Let me spell it out for you. To make an enemy easier to attack, you demonize or make less than human, then your not attacking a person but an object. Lets look at an example. hmmm. Jews. Nazis called em subhuman. Rounded em up and gassed em. easy. Now, who have the dim’s been calling “chimpy” for the last few years? hmmm. Bush? yeah, that’s it! Let us dehumanize our own president and attack him by calling him a monkey!!!! Now lets look at the current candidates. Hmmmm. big ears, hmmm. Maybe we should not throw stones. Maybe we should not make subhumans out of these people. Now, preston, get over to walmart and protest something.

Left by Artruen on August 26th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

But not if you recognize the fact that this donk majority Congress has the lowest approval rating in history.

Look, if “Congress” didn’t include Republicans filibustering and putting “holds” on Democratic initiatives there’s little question it’s ratings would be higher. Routine preference of Democrats over Republicans bears that out.

Please provide a source for this ‘81%’.
Honestly? Is typing google.com so hard?

Do you honestly think that Obama looks like a monkey?

Left by Preston on August 26th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

Hee-Hee, of course, Preston, it’s the Republicans fault, never your dear donks. Even when the donks were doing the same when they were in the minority, Congresses ratings were never as low as they are now.
Nope, deflect blame all you like, the current donk led Congress is the worst ever, and Americans know it.

Left by No2Liberals on August 26th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

Right, that’s why they’re on the verge of sending yet more Democrats to Congress.

You might find it illuminating to compare these two sets of poll results.

Left by Preston on August 27th, 2008 at 5:23 am

Preston, it is very tiring to reply to you. You put up the ‘81′ thing, I just wonder where it came from. I suppose from your deflection, it came from outta your ass.
Do you think obama looks like a chimp? or just Bush? Your house glass? How can you breeze right around my point and arrive at what I may or may not think about how anyone looks? I believe my point was about de-humanizing the pols.
On the other hand, you also breeze around my jabs at you, so on that note, have a nice day.

Left by Artruen on August 27th, 2008 at 8:47 am

Damn- you’re even too lazy to click the link?!?

Left by Preston on August 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

Right, that’s why they’re on the verge of sending yet more Democrats to Congress.

We shall see. Maybe they can go for the ultimate record of 0%, if Pelosi stays Queen Bee.

Left by No2Liberals on August 27th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

1. Anyone who uses “Anonymous” should keed their mouths closed.

2. While Bush is not a Genius, he sure as hell uses the inelligence he does have much more effectivly than either ODIMA and the IDIOTS who deny facts and refuse to learn the the many valid reasons the Iraq War is fully justified & a necessary part of our War on Terror!

“Intelligence is like a man’s penis, it is not the amount of it you have, it is how effectively you use it.”

Based on that, I pity Obama’s (I call him Oduma) wife as he probably screws as poorly as he thinks.

I am so mad at the Main Stream Media, doing story after story on Pulin’s daughter being pregnant, while not even mentioning some of Oduma’s best friends are former terrorists who bombed buildings, robbed banks and killed policemen. (And only by luck did not kill civilians.)

Oduma says he has campaigned in 57 states? Said he voted against the Iraq war two years BEFORE he was in Congress? (Maybe Oduma has a time machine.) Oduma, instead of voting yes or no on issues, voted he was Present over a hundred times!

Anyonw who believes our President thinks
“being present” without being able to make a decision one way or the other is fine, is too stupid to be permitted to vote.

Oduma denies proven facts, says one thing to one group of people and he opposite to another. Oduma Flips Flops like a fish out of water. He is also both an elitist and a racist.

As you may know, Putin is building up Russias military, causing all kinds of unrest, threating it’s neighbors and causing wars. Putin wants Russia to be in the same position the old USSR was and he does not care who gets in his way.

He has, know it or not, believe it or not, like it or not, restarted the “Cold War” and is in cahoots with ALL of those countries who wish us harm. (Like Iran Venezuela, Syria and Libra.)

Some actually learn from history sadly, most do not.

Oduma thinks you can talk to psychos and make headway. Those types only understand ONE thing. And that thing is Military Force!

Oduma keeps bring up Kennedy (Whom I voted both for & served under) only either his knowledge of him is rather limited or he (as he does on other things) simply denies what he does not like.

Many do not know enough about history to know Kennedy got his ass handed to him by Russia’s Khrushchev. After their first “face to face” the Berlin Wall went up as Khrushchev knew Kenney would not do anything about it.

The “Cuban Missile crisis” resulted in our getting OUR missiles remove from Turkey where they had been for years. So who won that one?

I can see Oduma backing down Russia’s Putin. Putin would chew him up and spit him out like so much chewing tobacco.

While I have been an Atheist for at least 63 years of my life and an Atheist Activist for around 50 of them, worrying about the Christians, the Separation of Church and State, homosexuals getting married and pro-choice pales when 100,000 Moslems have pledged to kill all of us and Russia want to rule the world. Electing a leader competent enough to take them on and win, is of more importance.

If the Moslem Fanatics win, ALL known homosexuals are DEAD, there is NO “free Choice” and known Atheists are DEAD!

If the Russians win, there is NO to little freedom for around 95% of all of us

Thus, like it or not, myself and more than a few other Atheists I know (including my Genius friend Eugene Volokh) support John McCain. A man of proven loyalty, bravery, intelligence, competence, couage and love of country.

Neil C. Reinhardt

Left by Neil C. Reinhardt on September 5th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

It’s turning out he lots of dubious connections, here is some information:
Obama and his friends

1.
First it was convicted political fixer Antoin “Tony” Rezko; then it was Nadhmi Auchi; then it was William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn; then it was Rashid Khalidi; then it was Rev. Wright, Rev. Meeks, Rev. Otis, Father Pfleger and the TUCC; then it was Louis Farrakhan; then it was the New Black Panthers; then it was Aiham Alsammarae; then it was Jodie Evans; then it was Hamas; then it was Hugo Chavez; then it was Fidel Castro; then it was Muammar al-Gaddafi; then it was North Korea’s Kim Jong-Il; then it was the Communist Party USA; then it was ___; and then it was ___.

Just say NO Obama … EVER.

2. Bill Ayers:
Leader of the 1960s and 70s domestic terrorist group Weatherman
“Kill all the rich people. … Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents.”
Participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972
Currently a professor of education at the University of Illinois

Born in 1944, Bill Ayers, along with his wife Bernardine Dohrn, was a 1960s leader of the homegrown terrorist group Weatherman, a Communist-driven splinter faction of Students for a Democratic Society. Characterizing Weatherman as “an American Red Army,” Ayers summed up the organization’s ideology as follows: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.”

Today Ayers is a professor of education and a Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois. He has also authored a series of books about parenting and educating children, including: A Kind and Just Parent; To Become a Teacher; City Kids; City Teachers; To Teach; The Good Preschool Teacher; Zero Tolerance: Resisting the Drive for Punishment in Our Schools; and Teaching Towards Freedom: Moral Commitment and Ethical Action in the Classroom.

In his 2001 screed, Fugitive Days, Ayers recounts his life as a Sixties radical, his tenure as a Weatherman lieutenant, his terrorist campaign across America, and his enduring hatred for for the United States. “What a country,” Ayers said in 2001. “It makes me want to puke.”

Ayers was an active participant in Weatherman’s 1969 “Days of Rage” riots in Chicago, where nearly 300 members of the organization employed guerrilla-style tactics to viciously attack police officers and civilians alike, and to destroy massive amounts of property via vandalism and arson; their objective was to further spread their anti-war, anti-American message. Reminiscing on those riots, Ayers says pridefully: “We’d … proven that it was possible — we didn’t all die, we were still there.”

A substantial portion of Ayers’ book Fugitive Days discusses the author’s penchant for building and deploying explosives. Ayers boasts that he “participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972.” Of the day he bombed the Pentagon, Ayers says, “Everything was absolutely ideal. … The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.”

On another occasion, Ayers stated: “There’s something about a good bomb … Night after night, day after day, each majestic scene I witnessed was so terrible and so unexpected that no city would ever again stand innocently fixed in my mind. Big buildings and wide streets, cement and steel were no longer permanent. They, too, were fragile and destructible. A torch, a bomb, a strong enough wind, and they, too, would come undone or get knocked down.”

All told, Ayers and Weatherman were responsible for 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S. “I don’t regret setting bombs, said Ayers in 2001, “I feel we didn’t do enough.”

In 1970, Ayers’ then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, along with Weatherman members Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, were killed when a bomb they were constructing exploded unexpectedly. That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, “tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.”

After the death of his girlfriend, Ayers and his current wife, Bernardine Dohrn, spent the 1970s as fugitives running from the FBI. In 1980 the two surrendered, but all charges against them were dropped due to an “improper surveillance” technicality. Ayers’ comment on his life, as reported by Peter Collier and David Horowitz in their authoritative chapter on Weatherman in Destructive Generation, is this: “Guilty as sin, free as a bird, America is a great country.”

Notwithstanding his violent past, Ayers today does not describe himself as a terrorist. “Terrorists destroy randomly,” he reasons, “while our actions bore … the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate.”

In Fugitive Days, Ayers reflects on whether or not he might use bombs against the U.S. in the future. “I can’t imagine entirely dismissing the possibility,” he writes.

In the mid-1990s, Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn hosted meetings at their Chicago home to introduce Barack Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate.

In 1999 Ayers joined the Woods Fund of Chicago, where he served as a director alongside Barack Obama until the latter left the Woods board in December 2002. Ayers went on to become Woods’ Chairman of the Board. In 2002 the Woods Fund made a grant to Northwestern University Law School’s Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers’ wife, Bernardine Dohrn, was employed.

At a 2007 reunion of former members of the Weather Underground and Students for a Democratic Society, Ayers painted a verbal portrait of life in the United States which included the following passages:

“This is a time not only of great stress and oppression and authoritarianism, and a kind of rising incipient American form of fascism, and what the government counts on, what the powerful count on, is that we will stay quiet. It’s the idea that we can tolerate these intolerable things without screaming, without somehow coming out, joining up and coming out and saying something. It’s what they count on in terms of keeping things under control.”

“Empire resurrected and unapologetic, war without end, an undefined enemy that’s supposed to be a rallying point for a new kind of energized jingoistic patriotism, unprecedented and unapologetic military expansion, white supremacy changing its form, but essentially intact, attacks on women and girls, violent attacks, growing surveillance in every sphere of our lives, on and on and on, the targeting of gay and lesbian people as a kind of a scapegoating gesture to keep our minds off of what’s really happening.”
And here is how Ayers characterized himself and the longtime radical comrades to whom he was speaking:

“Even though we think of ourselves as political, we weren’t politicians. We were people who had a moral vision of what was possible. And when we talk, for example, about health care, about peace, we’re talking a language of ethics, not a language of instrumentalism or opportunism, or what we might get. So we have to speak in a language that’s large and generous and encompassing. And then we have to act.”

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Well that is a hand full, question, do we really want this guy anywhere but in jail?

Left by Jerry O'Neal on October 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

A good rule before one goes marching or signing anything: Whatever your tug of sympathy, you have no right to a public opinion unless you’ve been there, experienced firsthand and on the ground and for some considerable time the country, war, injustice, whatever, you are talking about. In the absence of such firsthand knowledge and experience: silence.SusanSontagSusan Sontag, from Answers to a Questionnaire, 1997

Left by US News on October 4th, 2008 at 1:56 pm