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		<title>By: otcconan</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/a-good-gun-thread-is-as-good-to-find-as-an-open-thread/#comment-139040</link>
		<dc:creator>otcconan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Chris.  The Mossberg Super Bantam looks like the ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Chris.  The Mossberg Super Bantam looks like the ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jarzemsky</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/a-good-gun-thread-is-as-good-to-find-as-an-open-thread/#comment-139004</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jarzemsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with SB Smith&#039;s post...by that same token I would lump drugs in there, but I don&#039;t want to turn this into a legalization pro/con thread...

I&#039;m often at odds with the rest of my moderate/liberal ilk on this one...when I finish college I will probably purchase at least one firearm (right now I know that I and my friends are far too irresponsible for me to own a gun...the wrong drunken night could lead to tragedy)...

Growing up, my dad had no less than three shotguns and a Winchester rifle underneath his bed, in locked cases. Once when I was younger I found a drawer where he kept his shells, and when he found out I had gone in there I caught holy hell from him.

Safety first, happy shooting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with SB Smith&#8217;s post&#8230;by that same token I would lump drugs in there, but I don&#8217;t want to turn this into a legalization pro/con thread&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m often at odds with the rest of my moderate/liberal ilk on this one&#8230;when I finish college I will probably purchase at least one firearm (right now I know that I and my friends are far too irresponsible for me to own a gun&#8230;the wrong drunken night could lead to tragedy)&#8230;</p>
<p>Growing up, my dad had no less than three shotguns and a Winchester rifle underneath his bed, in locked cases. Once when I was younger I found a drawer where he kept his shells, and when he found out I had gone in there I caught holy hell from him.</p>
<p>Safety first, happy shooting!</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/a-good-gun-thread-is-as-good-to-find-as-an-open-thread/#comment-138993</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OCCTONAN, Mossberg makes a &#039;youth&#039; 20 ga. 200 bucks. Comes w three choke tubes,  Like a pistol for me but fits my 12 y.o. perfect. I have its big brother, shot it for years, thousands of rounds, Don&#039;t go to cabelas, they want 3 bills for it........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OCCTONAN, Mossberg makes a &#8216;youth&#8217; 20 ga. 200 bucks. Comes w three choke tubes,  Like a pistol for me but fits my 12 y.o. perfect. I have its big brother, shot it for years, thousands of rounds, Don&#8217;t go to cabelas, they want 3 bills for it&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/a-good-gun-thread-is-as-good-to-find-as-an-open-thread/#comment-138967</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTCCONAN, Remington makes excellent shotguns, and you wouldn&#039;t go wrong with an 870, they just tend to be a little more pricey than some others.
Mossberg makes a line of inexpensive pump shotguns, such as the Model 500 Persuader/Cruiser, but it is in 12 gauge.  You might try looking at one of the many gun auction sites, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gunbroker.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one.&lt;/a&gt;
You can browse shotguns, or enter what you are looking for in the search box.
I have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/images/512252m.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Winchester Defender&lt;/a&gt;, and have had it for many years, and is my personal favorite of all the other home defense shotguns, due to it&#039;s fast action, easy disassembly/assembly.  Don&#039;t be intimidated by the MSRP, these use to sell at Wal-Mart for $199.99 brand new, and with that MSRP, I&#039;m sure you still can.
As for the .20 over the .12, you need to realize, the &quot;kick&quot; is due to the inertia of the shot/bullet exiting the barrel, and the gases behind it.  Using a short barreled pump, with a light load will not hurt when it &quot;kicks.&quot;  One thing you can do to avoid the pain often associated with a big &quot;kick,&quot; is to really pull the stock into your shoulder very tight.   One last thing, do not use buckshot, use #7 birdshot.  At close ranges it is devastating, but won&#039;t penetrate your apartment walls and injure or kill an innocent person.  As for the racka-racka of a pump, there is no sound like it, and for most sneaky-peekers, it will freeze their bone marrow, and give them a 10 on the pucker factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTCCONAN, Remington makes excellent shotguns, and you wouldn&#8217;t go wrong with an 870, they just tend to be a little more pricey than some others.<br />
Mossberg makes a line of inexpensive pump shotguns, such as the Model 500 Persuader/Cruiser, but it is in 12 gauge.  You might try looking at one of the many gun auction sites, such as <a href="http://www.gunbroker.com/" rel="nofollow">this one.</a><br />
You can browse shotguns, or enter what you are looking for in the search box.<br />
I have a <a href="http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/images/512252m.jpg" rel="nofollow">Winchester Defender</a>, and have had it for many years, and is my personal favorite of all the other home defense shotguns, due to it&#8217;s fast action, easy disassembly/assembly.  Don&#8217;t be intimidated by the MSRP, these use to sell at Wal-Mart for $199.99 brand new, and with that MSRP, I&#8217;m sure you still can.<br />
As for the .20 over the .12, you need to realize, the &#8220;kick&#8221; is due to the inertia of the shot/bullet exiting the barrel, and the gases behind it.  Using a short barreled pump, with a light load will not hurt when it &#8220;kicks.&#8221;  One thing you can do to avoid the pain often associated with a big &#8220;kick,&#8221; is to really pull the stock into your shoulder very tight.   One last thing, do not use buckshot, use #7 birdshot.  At close ranges it is devastating, but won&#8217;t penetrate your apartment walls and injure or kill an innocent person.  As for the racka-racka of a pump, there is no sound like it, and for most sneaky-peekers, it will freeze their bone marrow, and give them a 10 on the pucker factor.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
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		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB Smith, there are many safe manufacturers, and there are even some people I know who make them themselves.
I would recommend well known manufacturers, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/catalog.asp?catalog_=F&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Browning&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libertysafe.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Liberty&lt;/a&gt;.  They have many features, high temp fire protection, and accessories, such as dehumidifiers.
As for a smaller safe for rare collectibles, I would recommend using a search engine for the many manufacturers of safes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB Smith, there are many safe manufacturers, and there are even some people I know who make them themselves.<br />
I would recommend well known manufacturers, such as <a href="http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/catalog.asp?catalog_=F" rel="nofollow">Browning</a>, or <a href="http://www.libertysafe.com/" rel="nofollow">Liberty</a>.  They have many features, high temp fire protection, and accessories, such as dehumidifiers.<br />
As for a smaller safe for rare collectibles, I would recommend using a search engine for the many manufacturers of safes.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/a-good-gun-thread-is-as-good-to-find-as-an-open-thread/#comment-138964</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam...I agree.

Dianne, be the second girl, not the wimpy/weepy first one.
Good link.  That&#039;s what having lawful citizens being armed is for.

Robbie, yep, I do the same when my grandbabies are here.  Their curious minds, and little hands just have a way of finding all the best hidey-holes.
As responsible adults, your taking the boys out and teaching them weapon safety and markmanship is not only beneficial, it is just plain fun.  Even if it is over a hundred outside these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam&#8230;I agree.</p>
<p>Dianne, be the second girl, not the wimpy/weepy first one.<br />
Good link.  That&#8217;s what having lawful citizens being armed is for.</p>
<p>Robbie, yep, I do the same when my grandbabies are here.  Their curious minds, and little hands just have a way of finding all the best hidey-holes.<br />
As responsible adults, your taking the boys out and teaching them weapon safety and markmanship is not only beneficial, it is just plain fun.  Even if it is over a hundred outside these days.</p>
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		<title>By: otcconan</title>
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		<dc:creator>otcconan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the market for a 20 gauge pump action shotgun for home defense.  I know that 12 would be more effective, but I&#039;m kind of small and a 12 kicks too much for me.  I&#039;m leaning in the direction of a Remington 870.  Anyone else have any suggestions?  Budget is $250 but I&#039;d like to get in under $200.

Saw a few at the Saxet gun show a couple weeks ago in Austin that were close to what I wanted, just not in the condition I&#039;d like.  Maybe my budget isn&#039;t realistic.

I grew up on a farm and I&#039;ve got plenty of experience with firearms, just don&#039;t have any in the apartment at the moment.  The only ones I own are still out at the farm.  One of those is a shotgun, but it&#039;s used for hunting, and it&#039;s an auto (Remington 1100), and I want a pump because most of the time just the sound of it racking will have the goblins taking to their heels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the market for a 20 gauge pump action shotgun for home defense.  I know that 12 would be more effective, but I&#8217;m kind of small and a 12 kicks too much for me.  I&#8217;m leaning in the direction of a Remington 870.  Anyone else have any suggestions?  Budget is $250 but I&#8217;d like to get in under $200.</p>
<p>Saw a few at the Saxet gun show a couple weeks ago in Austin that were close to what I wanted, just not in the condition I&#8217;d like.  Maybe my budget isn&#8217;t realistic.</p>
<p>I grew up on a farm and I&#8217;ve got plenty of experience with firearms, just don&#8217;t have any in the apartment at the moment.  The only ones I own are still out at the farm.  One of those is a shotgun, but it&#8217;s used for hunting, and it&#8217;s an auto (Remington 1100), and I want a pump because most of the time just the sound of it racking will have the goblins taking to their heels.</p>
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		<title>By: SB Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>SB Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of think of guns and alcohol the same way. It is up to the consumer to use the product responsibly. The manufacturers should not be blamed for any wrong doing.....it is All on the consumer.
I grew up in a house with guns and I&#039;ve always backed the 2nd Amendment.

My question is, can you recommend one upright gun safe company over another ?
The kind where it&#039;s bolted to the slab from the inside.
On top of the guns J. and I have, I inherited my dad&#039;s hunting rifles and we really need something large to keep them in.
I think, counting ours, we have 12......and 5 handguns.

I also  am looking to use a 2nd safe to keep a valuable collection of mine in....but they aren&#039;t firearms.....I need something with lined  shelves.

Thank you for any input !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of think of guns and alcohol the same way. It is up to the consumer to use the product responsibly. The manufacturers should not be blamed for any wrong doing&#8230;..it is All on the consumer.<br />
I grew up in a house with guns and I&#8217;ve always backed the 2nd Amendment.</p>
<p>My question is, can you recommend one upright gun safe company over another ?<br />
The kind where it&#8217;s bolted to the slab from the inside.<br />
On top of the guns J. and I have, I inherited my dad&#8217;s hunting rifles and we really need something large to keep them in.<br />
I think, counting ours, we have 12&#8230;&#8230;and 5 handguns.</p>
<p>I also  am looking to use a 2nd safe to keep a valuable collection of mine in&#8230;.but they aren&#8217;t firearms&#8230;..I need something with lined  shelves.</p>
<p>Thank you for any input !</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie Cooper</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/a-good-gun-thread-is-as-good-to-find-as-an-open-thread/#comment-138955</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re practicing gun safety here. 

All guns are locked in the safe. My Mossberg HS 410 that is usually under my bed is in the safe. Though before going to bed at night, I am taking it out of the safe and back up under my bed.

Having my dear family in the house is reason more than ever to have the ability to protect and defend them near at hand.

Later this after my brother and I are taking his two boys (8 and 9 years old) are taking the kids out in the country to do a little shooting (a friend of ours has a great 400+ acre ranch where we can safely shoot).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re practicing gun safety here. </p>
<p>All guns are locked in the safe. My Mossberg HS 410 that is usually under my bed is in the safe. Though before going to bed at night, I am taking it out of the safe and back up under my bed.</p>
<p>Having my dear family in the house is reason more than ever to have the ability to protect and defend them near at hand.</p>
<p>Later this after my brother and I are taking his two boys (8 and 9 years old) are taking the kids out in the country to do a little shooting (a friend of ours has a great 400+ acre ranch where we can safely shoot).</p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll like this one, No2, from good ole Kansas City this week:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/731604.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll like this one, No2, from good ole Kansas City this week:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/731604.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/731604.html</a></p>
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