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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/black-republicansin-defiance-of-stereotypes/#comment-140701</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The myth that women today make less than men for the same work is just another lie perpetuated by Liberals to further divide people (their favorite hobby).]&lt;/em&gt;

So you don&#039;t support the Civil Rights Act of 1964 either?!?

I can&#039;t believe we&#039;ve debated this issue so many times and this little tidbit of information never came out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The myth that women today make less than men for the same work is just another lie perpetuated by Liberals to further divide people (their favorite hobby).]</em></p>
<p>So you don&#8217;t support the Civil Rights Act of 1964 either?!?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe we&#8217;ve debated this issue so many times and this little tidbit of information never came out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/black-republicansin-defiance-of-stereotypes/#comment-140642</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the Constitutional basis of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the Commerce Clause&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That it is furthers the argument that the commerce clause has been abused, and is used as a form of Congressional tyranny.  Article five of the fourteenth amendment should be enough, to protect and promote the rights any citizen of this country is guaranteed.

One of the most recent examples of the push back against congressional tyranny using the commerce clause, is U.S vs. Lopez-1995, when the Supremes ruled the Gun Free School Zone Act was unconstitutional.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If we were to accept the Government&#039;s arguments, we are hard pressed to posit any activity by an individual that Congress is without power to regulate.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For most of U.S. history, the courts stopped congresses attempts to circumvent our Constitution by using the commerce clause, until the 1940&#039;s, and the push back has only begun since the 1990&#039;s.
To me, a civil rights act based on the fourteenth would provide a better remedy, as it would apply to all citizens, in all public places that provide meals or accommodations, and would reduce litigation, obstructionist activities, and give dignity to every citizen.
There are those in congress who wish to use the commerce clause to ban or hinder the manufacture or sale of firearms, violating another valued right protected by the Constitution.  It is a clause that violates the spirit of the Constitution, state&#039;s rights, and individual rights.

As for your snarky assumptions about conservatives views on human or civil rights, you really are simple minded.
Liberals, like you, don&#039;t care about the people actually effected by mistreatment, as long as they stay on the lefty plantation, believe all the empty promises, become enslaved on government hand outs, and vote donk.  Liberals don&#039;t want the poor or minorities to become self-reliant, because if they did, they would vote conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the Constitutional basis of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the Commerce Clause</p></blockquote>
<p>That it is furthers the argument that the commerce clause has been abused, and is used as a form of Congressional tyranny.  Article five of the fourteenth amendment should be enough, to protect and promote the rights any citizen of this country is guaranteed.</p>
<p>One of the most recent examples of the push back against congressional tyranny using the commerce clause, is U.S vs. Lopez-1995, when the Supremes ruled the Gun Free School Zone Act was unconstitutional.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If we were to accept the Government&#8217;s arguments, we are hard pressed to posit any activity by an individual that Congress is without power to regulate.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>For most of U.S. history, the courts stopped congresses attempts to circumvent our Constitution by using the commerce clause, until the 1940&#8242;s, and the push back has only begun since the 1990&#8242;s.<br />
To me, a civil rights act based on the fourteenth would provide a better remedy, as it would apply to all citizens, in all public places that provide meals or accommodations, and would reduce litigation, obstructionist activities, and give dignity to every citizen.<br />
There are those in congress who wish to use the commerce clause to ban or hinder the manufacture or sale of firearms, violating another valued right protected by the Constitution.  It is a clause that violates the spirit of the Constitution, state&#8217;s rights, and individual rights.</p>
<p>As for your snarky assumptions about conservatives views on human or civil rights, you really are simple minded.<br />
Liberals, like you, don&#8217;t care about the people actually effected by mistreatment, as long as they stay on the lefty plantation, believe all the empty promises, become enslaved on government hand outs, and vote donk.  Liberals don&#8217;t want the poor or minorities to become self-reliant, because if they did, they would vote conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/black-republicansin-defiance-of-stereotypes/#comment-140639</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear: you do understand that the Constitutional basis of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the Commerce Clause?

Because over the course of the months that we&#039;ve debated over who deserves credit for the passage of the bill it never occurred to me that you didn&#039;t actually support the Act or its legal basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear: you do understand that the Constitutional basis of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the Commerce Clause?</p>
<p>Because over the course of the months that we&#8217;ve debated over who deserves credit for the passage of the bill it never occurred to me that you didn&#8217;t actually support the Act or its legal basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I actually thought you would defend the power of the Federal government to protect civil rights.

We don&#039;t need to look at archived copies of the National Review to observe the reluctance of conservatives to protect civil rights: it&#039;s on display at a blog near you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I actually thought you would defend the power of the Federal government to protect civil rights.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to look at archived copies of the National Review to observe the reluctance of conservatives to protect civil rights: it&#8217;s on display at a blog near you.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/black-republicansin-defiance-of-stereotypes/#comment-140621</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Preston, you presume a great deal with your hypothetical.  Hypotheticals are for fools and children.
&lt;em&gt;If, if&#039;s and buts were candy and nuts, we&#039;d all have a Merry Christmas.&lt;/em&gt;
I know how you believe government is the answer to all of man&#039;s ills, you are, after all, a liberal.
Did you bother to read the pdf of Alveda King?  I suppose you believe it is the federal governments business to fund $300million for abortion on demand, which is what B-HO the Poseur wishes to do.  That is not the role of government, and I don&#039;t believe the originators of the Constitution hid a clause in the back of the Constitution somewhere, that makes abortions legal.  That is funding of, and codification of, the ultimate violation of human rights.
I believe the Constitution was intended to place restriction on what government can do, not a carte blanche, like you, and I believe states right&#039;s should be preeminent, as they are closer to the people they represent, and more accountable.
Which brings us to the most popular clause that big government liberals like to abuse.
Have you read the Tenth Amendment lately?


&lt;blockquote&gt;The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How about the Commerce Clause?


&lt;blockquote&gt;The Congress shall have Power... To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where does the Commerce Clause, despite it&#039;s vast abuses and interpretations, get the authority to compel certain behaviors from our citizens?


&lt;blockquote&gt;Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.
Clarence Thomas&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Amen on that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Preston, you presume a great deal with your hypothetical.  Hypotheticals are for fools and children.<br />
<em>If, if&#8217;s and buts were candy and nuts, we&#8217;d all have a Merry Christmas.</em><br />
I know how you believe government is the answer to all of man&#8217;s ills, you are, after all, a liberal.<br />
Did you bother to read the pdf of Alveda King?  I suppose you believe it is the federal governments business to fund $300million for abortion on demand, which is what B-HO the Poseur wishes to do.  That is not the role of government, and I don&#8217;t believe the originators of the Constitution hid a clause in the back of the Constitution somewhere, that makes abortions legal.  That is funding of, and codification of, the ultimate violation of human rights.<br />
I believe the Constitution was intended to place restriction on what government can do, not a carte blanche, like you, and I believe states right&#8217;s should be preeminent, as they are closer to the people they represent, and more accountable.<br />
Which brings us to the most popular clause that big government liberals like to abuse.<br />
Have you read the Tenth Amendment lately?</p>
<blockquote><p>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.</p></blockquote>
<p>How about the Commerce Clause?</p>
<blockquote><p>The Congress shall have Power&#8230; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Where does the Commerce Clause, despite it&#8217;s vast abuses and interpretations, get the authority to compel certain behaviors from our citizens?</p>
<blockquote><p>Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.<br />
Clarence Thomas</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen on that!</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, you wouldn’t even support the Civil Rights Act if it were proposed TODAY!

Unless you have an alternative history in which the Founders intended the Commerce Clause to be used to impel white store owners to serve customers they didn’t wish to.

Or perhaps your belief in Constitutional Originalism is simply a crutch you use to oppose legislation you don’t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, you wouldn’t even support the Civil Rights Act if it were proposed TODAY!</p>
<p>Unless you have an alternative history in which the Founders intended the Commerce Clause to be used to impel white store owners to serve customers they didn’t wish to.</p>
<p>Or perhaps your belief in Constitutional Originalism is simply a crutch you use to oppose legislation you don’t like.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/black-republicansin-defiance-of-stereotypes/#comment-140613</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henh...Robbie, the Bidenisms have been, and will continue to be, a source of amusement.
As to your response to Preston, it was the donk administration of JFK, that initiated the FBI investigation, including illegal wire taps, on MLK.  While MLK did make some comments that could be construed as collectivist, he, his father, his brother, and now his niece were/are Republican.  MLK wasn&#039;t an advocate of the welfare state, only in America living up to it&#039;s promise, as proscribed in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.
It&#039;s a shame that the honor of such a great American, and what he sacrificed so much for, will be tainted by the poseur B-HO tonight, on his Temple of Obamessiah stage in Denver.  I haven&#039;t checked to see if the concession stands will be featuring loaves of bread and fish, but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised.
BTW, Baylor plays Wake Forest tonight on Fox Sports, at Waco.  Hope the former UH coach has some success at BU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henh&#8230;Robbie, the Bidenisms have been, and will continue to be, a source of amusement.<br />
As to your response to Preston, it was the donk administration of JFK, that initiated the FBI investigation, including illegal wire taps, on MLK.  While MLK did make some comments that could be construed as collectivist, he, his father, his brother, and now his niece were/are Republican.  MLK wasn&#8217;t an advocate of the welfare state, only in America living up to it&#8217;s promise, as proscribed in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.<br />
It&#8217;s a shame that the honor of such a great American, and what he sacrificed so much for, will be tainted by the poseur B-HO tonight, on his Temple of Obamessiah stage in Denver.  I haven&#8217;t checked to see if the concession stands will be featuring loaves of bread and fish, but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.<br />
BTW, Baylor plays Wake Forest tonight on Fox Sports, at Waco.  Hope the former UH coach has some success at BU.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie Cooper</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2008/08/black-republicansin-defiance-of-stereotypes/#comment-140609</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh. As soon as I typed that response above to Preston --- I find out that I&#039;m wrong:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenextright.com/michaelturk/quick-back-of-the-envelope-calculations&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exclusive&lt;/a&gt;: Biden pays men in comparable positions in his office nearly twice as much as women.

So, it looks like it&#039;s not just a Liberal perception. But a Liberal practice, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh. As soon as I typed that response above to Preston &#8212; I find out that I&#8217;m wrong:</p>
<p><a href="http://thenextright.com/michaelturk/quick-back-of-the-envelope-calculations" rel="nofollow">Exclusive</a>: Biden pays men in comparable positions in his office nearly twice as much as women.</p>
<p>So, it looks like it&#8217;s not just a Liberal perception. But a Liberal practice, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, Martin Luther King was a huge conservative- that&#039;s why his opponents kept alleging he was a communist.

&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;[Editor --- Is it possible then that some of his biggest opponents were then Democrats?]&lt;/font&gt;

But seriously, Kennedy, Johnson, Mansfield, Humphrey?  Not so conservative though I&#039;ll grant that Dirksen was.

And everyone knows that conservatives continue to &#039;promote freedom and liberty&#039; of individuals to marry who they choose or to be paid fairly on the basis of their work not their gender.

&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;[Editor --- I don&#039;t for a moment believe that women are paid less than men for the same work. I&#039;ve been in some very &quot;good &#039;ol boy&quot; industries for most of my life --- the oil industry and the defense industry, and everywhere I&#039;ve ever worked women and men were paid by merit regardless of their  gender.

Now, the fact that women earn more on avg. than men doing the same job is true. But that is not because they are paid less...it&#039;s because, on avg, women work less than men do in a given year --- when you account for time taken off for pregnancy and maternity leave and other child raising responsibilities.

The myth that women today make less than men for the same work is just another lie perpetuated by Liberals to further divide people (their favorite hobby).]&lt;/font&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Martin Luther King was a huge conservative- that&#8217;s why his opponents kept alleging he was a communist.</p>
<p><font color="red">[Editor --- Is it possible then that some of his biggest opponents were then Democrats?]</font></p>
<p>But seriously, Kennedy, Johnson, Mansfield, Humphrey?  Not so conservative though I&#8217;ll grant that Dirksen was.</p>
<p>And everyone knows that conservatives continue to &#8216;promote freedom and liberty&#8217; of individuals to marry who they choose or to be paid fairly on the basis of their work not their gender.</p>
<p><font color="red">[Editor --- I don't for a moment believe that women are paid less than men for the same work. I've been in some very "good 'ol boy" industries for most of my life --- the oil industry and the defense industry, and everywhere I've ever worked women and men were paid by merit regardless of their  gender.</p>
<p>Now, the fact that women earn more on avg. than men doing the same job is true. But that is not because they are paid less...it's because, on avg, women work less than men do in a given year --- when you account for time taken off for pregnancy and maternity leave and other child raising responsibilities.</p>
<p>The myth that women today make less than men for the same work is just another lie perpetuated by Liberals to further divide people (their favorite hobby).]</font></p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
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		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henh...as if there aren&#039;t still liberal and moderate Republicans.
Implying that it was liberals who were the champions of civil rights is still the most laughable deceit, to date.
The GOP has a legacy of being a party that promotes freedom and liberty.  While I don&#039;t belong to any party, I do vote GOP mostly, as it is the only major party that wishes to conserve the greatest traditions of this country.  That the GOP has to adopt positions that are too closely aligned with the donks, in order to win elections, is a constant source of disappointment.  Most particularly when it comes to government spending and size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henh&#8230;as if there aren&#8217;t still liberal and moderate Republicans.<br />
Implying that it was liberals who were the champions of civil rights is still the most laughable deceit, to date.<br />
The GOP has a legacy of being a party that promotes freedom and liberty.  While I don&#8217;t belong to any party, I do vote GOP mostly, as it is the only major party that wishes to conserve the greatest traditions of this country.  That the GOP has to adopt positions that are too closely aligned with the donks, in order to win elections, is a constant source of disappointment.  Most particularly when it comes to government spending and size.</p>
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