To be fair, I’m not sure anyone could NOT make Palin look like an idiot when she debates Biden.

To be fair, I’m not sure anyone could NOT make Palin look like an idiot when she debates Biden.

Let’s be fair too, Joe Biden doesn’t need anyone’s help to look like an idiot either!

IBTBT (Ask me and I will tell you what it means. It has nothing to do with politics.)

Well, John, nothing could make you NOT look like an idiot, either.

But for you to dismiss what is a clear ethical violation, is another example on how the democrats suck.

Oh, robbie… did you hear that the majority of Obama’s campaign war chest is from illegal foreign interests? That he and the democrats would violate campaign rules is no surprise, but to be in the pockets of foreigners is disgusting.

Joe Biden’s approach to foreign affairs: A month after 9/11, he came up with the idea that we should write a check for 200 million dollars and just give it to Iran with no strings attached as a sign of good faith. Duh.

I wouldn’t dare to suggest you are already acknowledging a major FAIL by Palin tomorrow Robbie but to be honest, I think your making excuses before the inevitable happens;

BIDEN:

- Long-time member and current chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee

- Chairman of the International Narcotics Control Caucus

- Twice run for the Democratic nomination for President

- American Civil Liberties Union gives him an 86 percent lifetime score, with a 91 percent score for the current session of Congress.

- 91 percent voting record from the National Education Association (NEA) showing a pro-teacher union voting record.

- Co-sponsored the Sense of the Senate resolution calling on the United States to be a part of the United Nations climate negotiations and the Boxer-Sanders Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act, the most stringent climate bill in the United States Senate

OR

PALIN:

- Served two terms (1996–2002) as mayor of Wasilla. At the conclusion of Palin’s tenure as mayor in 2002, the town had about 6,300 residents

Should be a good debate!

Jonny

Anon:

I wasn’t dismissing anything. I was just saying Sarah Palin is a moron. A has nothing to do with B. I’m just saying I’m not even sure you could spin the debate in her favor if you had Bill O’Reilly moderating.

There can be no doubt that Biden, despite what you think of the man or his politics, is at least 10,000x as experienced and intelligent as Palin. She will be destroyed. I almost feel bad for her.

Almost.

And, I was pointing out that you’re a moron, too. As to Biden, he has at least 10,000x more experience in making wrong decisions. He is a goof and an unethical one to boot.

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To be fair, I’m not sure anyone could NOT make Palin look like an idiot when she debates Biden.

John, where does your information come from in regards to Sarah Palin’s intelligence? You sound so sophomoric when you write things like this, like you don’t have your own brain, can only regurge what the Party line of the day is.
Open your eyes, think for yourself. I believe the thread was in reference to the Ifill person. Kinda epitomizes the entire campaign, in the tank lib reporting versus what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they made the Press the unbiased watchdog for America.
Now, about the rest of this thread, jonjon the troll and the spammer are running neck and neck for the t5hreead hijacker of the moment award.

Artruen:

My information comes from watching and listening to her speak. Then I’ll usually continue by slapping my forehead while saying “HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS WOMAN COULD BE THE SECOND MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN THE FREE WORLD?!?!?!” and then I’ll weep uncontrollably.

Also…the thread was about the VP debates. Palin is a candidate for VP. It’s a relevant comment.

You don’t have to justify yourself John – it makes perfect sense to me.

Jonny

jarz, your making sense to the troll, doesn’t that worry you?
I think Holy Shit This Man Could Be The most powerful whatever in the world but even worse, he could nominate supreme court justices. I will weep for my country.

My information comes from reading John’s posts: He’s the moron.

Hey, jackass british douchebag troll boy!

Do you think deliberately omitting the fact that Gov. Palin is you know, a govenor and her record as a governor makes you look anything other than a dishonest and an idiot?

Biden:

– Wrong on every foreign policy issue in the last 30 years.

– Wanted to give a $200 million dollar check with no strings attached to a terrorist nation a month after 9/11 to make them like us.

– Had to drop out the first time he ran for office due to plagiarism. He flunked his first year of law school due to plagiarism. His second run for office he received a dismal 80k votes for the entire primary.

– the ACLU, a shakedown organization, endorses Biden a shakedown artist. Wow. What a surprise.

– Teacher unions are controlled by democratic machines. They no longer care about education but raises, which goes primarily to administration. In my district, enrolment is down 6% yet they increased administration by 20%.

–GW is a scam.

– Lied about his resume.

–Falsely claimed that his wife and daughter were killed by a drunk driver in order to garner sympathy. The police found no alcohol involved and that the collusion was entirely his wife’s fault. Biden’s lies caused the driver’s family much distress.

Gov. Palin is a proven fiscal conservative who used her line-item veto to slash hundreds of millions of dollars in spending from the state budget. In considering this accomplishment, keep in mind that the Alaska Legislature is controlled by the GOP, meaning that the funding she cut had already been approved by legislators of her own party. Nevertheless, she made her vetoes stick. Consider, too, that because of the current high price of crude oil, Alaska is enjoying record budget surpluses. It’s harder to practice restraint in times of plenty. And look at her entire record over time (more than as revealed by her position on a single bridge): Although Alaska has traditionally been more dependent than other states on federal funding (since the federal government owns such a large portion of the state’s property and resources), even the often-critical Anchorage Daily News admits that Gov. Palin has “increasingly distanced herself from earmarking” since 2000, and that her having done so over the past year has been “the leading source of tension between Palin and the state’s three-member congressional delegation.” Actually exercising fiscal discipline in a time of plenty, at both state and federal levels and against the will of the members of her own party, is a better predictor for how she would actually govern on a national level than ten thousand campaign promises.

Gov. Palin kept her campaign promise to revamp the state’s pre-existing severance tax on oil & gas production, replacing a structure negotiated behind closed doors by ethically challenged predecessors and the big energy companies with one negotiated in full public view — and then rebated part of the resulting surplus directly to tax-payers. Severance taxes are a kind of property tax charged on a one-time basis, at the time of production, on subsurface assets (like oil, gas & minerals) which can’t be quantified and taxed through regular property taxes. There was widespread resentment and distrust over the version negotiated by Gov. Palin’s predecessor with the three big energy companies who’ve traditionally ruled the roost in Alaska (ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, and BP). The new version negotiated and passed with Gov. Palin’s support was thoroughly disinfected by the sunshine of public scrutiny. Although it’s not a “windfall profits tax” — indeed, the base rate only went from 22.5% to 25% — it did permit the Alaskan people to share in a larger portion of the current high prices for oil by raising the additional, progressive portion of the tax from 0.25% to 0.40% on revenues between $32.50 and $90/bbl. Above that, however, the new law actually cut taxes by dropping the rate on revenues above $90/bbl to 0.1%. With the resulting budget surplus, after contributing to the state’s fund for that future day when its oil & gas wealth is exhausted, she pressed for and got legislation to rebate a healthy chunk directly to tax-payers on a per capita basis, trusting them to spend the proceeds from this sale of the state’s commonly-owned resources rather than trusting government to spend it for them.

Gov. Palin broke a multi-year stalemate over the financing and construction of a $40 billion cross-state gas pipeline that will deliver cleaner, cheaper natural gas to Alaska’s own population centers (Alaskans themselves pay some of the nation’s highest energy prices), while also delivering gas to the energy-hungry Lower 48. To do this, she had to break the monopoly power of the big energy companies by opening the project to competitive international bidding. Not only has a development contract with a Canadian company now been signed on better terms than had previously been discussed, but the former monopolists — finally spurred by competition — are cranking up their own plan that would not require any taxpayer investment. How precisely this will shake out remains to be seen, but Gov. Palin’s vigorous action — calling special sessions of the state legislature and injecting herself directly and vigorously into the process — has ended the deadlock in ways that seem certain to benefit consumers. By this accomplishment, Gov. Palin has done more to advance the cause of American energy independence than any other politician — of any party, and at any level of state or federal government — in this century. But the national media have generally ignored this accomplishment.

h/t Beldar

Sorry Anon, I don’t want to appear rude but I can’t be bothered to read your cut and paste boll*x.
If I wanna hear pro Palin propaganda, I’ll look on Fox.
Problem is, my computer has a web filter that stops right wing-redneck-gun-totting-army-soldier-wanna-be-but-to-thick-to-pass-the-test-so-I-sit-here-at-night-in-my-army-uniform-my-mum-made-whacking-off-to-the-thought-of-someone-being-executed comments getting through.

It’s called an Apple Mac.

Serious question; what are you going to do when Obama and Biden move in to the White House?

Jonny

I’ll only respond by saying Sarah Palin makes Katie Couric look like an intelligent, hard-hitting journalist. That’s very frightening.

Also, I could have dismissed her idiotic “living close to Russia makes me a foreign policy expert” comment if she had let it go rather than defend it in a meltdown answer that made absolutely no sense to anybody with 1/4th of a brain.

Also, maybe this is just me, but I think the second most powerful person in the United States should maybe…I dunno…been to more countries by the time she hit 40 than I have by the time I was 12. Heck, maybe she should have gotten a passport before she turned 40, y’know?

Oh and as for Palin’s “storied experience” serving as governor of Alaska…the mayor of Houston has more influence and responsibility than she does. Give it up.

Palin is seriously hurting McCain’s campaign. Even though they’d never admit it, even the Maverick camp knows it’s true and have tried to keep her under wraps and away from the big bad liberal media who might have the gall to reprint or broadcast the stinking idiocy that pours forth every time she opens her mouth. In fact, until I see Palin and Biden park their butts in the chairs I’m not going to believe for a second that McSame’s cronies have stopped trying to avoid the debate in every possible way.

Biden will wipe the floor with her. A fucking 8th grader debate team captain could wipe the floor with her.

I’m looking forward to it. The only thing that troubles me: what if she cries during the debate? We saw what it did for Clinton…hmm…

Also, maybe this is just me, but I think the second most powerful person in the United States should maybe…I dunno…been to more countries by the time she hit 40 than I have by the time I was 12. Heck, maybe she should have gotten a passport before she turned 40, y’know?

Sorry John, I was agreeing with you up to that point.
Palin has been to AT LEAST TWO foreign countries – that’s THREE more than most Texans so she is considered by ’some’ to be the Marco Polo of the 21st century.
I can’t watch any of the Indiana Jones movies without comparing her to Mr Ford himself.

Jonny

Go Palin!

Someone warn Biden we have competition!

NOT!

Get this woman a hard drink and show her the door!

Jonny

You’re always rude british douchebag butt boy. And I have no doubt you will ever change.

You are no position to complain about copy and paste. That is your m.o. Unlike your crap, this is analysis by some one extremely smart and articulate. No wonder you can’t understand it. Didn’t expect you to. And it wasn’t posted for you but so no one wonders on this blog and sees all the lies you and others post.

Serious question; what are you going to do when Obama and Biden move in to the White House?

Jackass, unlike you, we do not have the emotional maturity of a six year old.

Jonny:

Careful now. We may agree on a lot, but I am a Texan and fiercely proud of it. By the time I was 12 I had been to five countries outside of the United States. Most of my friends are native Texans and are also well-cultured and worldly.

Ignorance and xenophobia are not innate characteristics of being Texan.

John & jonny — dumb & dumber

Jonny:
Careful now. We may agree on a lot, but I am a Texan and fiercely proud of it. By the time I was 12 I had been to five countries outside of the United States. Most of my friends are native Texans and are also well-cultured and worldly.
Ignorance and xenophobia are not innate characteristics of being Texan.

Very sorry John, and of course, you are correct.
I mean no ill feeling to eloquent, reasoned Texans.
I guess being from this side of the pond, and seeing such backward, abusive, homophobic, xenophobic behaviour from some of your counterparts over there leads me down a path I am pretty ashamed to tread.

Again, I whole heartedly apologise to you, and your fellow Texans of wisdom.
Keep posting, I’m enjoying your narration.

Jonny

Yeah, everyone’s a big man on the internet anonymous.

Yeah, everyone’s a big man on the internet anonymous.

To be fair John, he’s not even big on the internet.
Constantly failing to get the attention he so desires, he resorts to this pestering attitude by posting homo/xenophobic contorts that he feels are in somewhat important to others who have to read through the crap.

I can’t even be bothered to finish this post abo……..

Jonny

Serious question; what are you going to do when Obama and Biden move in to the White House
Jackass, unlike you, we do not have the emotional maturity of a six year old.

So…….. what are you going to do when Obama and Biden move in to the White House?

Jonny

Yeah, everyone’s a big man on the internet anonymous.

You mean jonny? Yeah, he’s a real a-hole.

So…….. what are you going to do when Obama and Biden move in to the White House?

You mean if. I already answered you, british douchebag.

Only you two morons would think backpacking through europe, getting drunk, trying to pick up girls (unsuccessfully), and puking all over yourselves, is some sort of insight into foreign policy.

No, I mean WHEN.

To hard a question to answer?

And you forgot THIS

You support ‘counselling’ girls raped by their fathers as long as they keep that baby alive?
Oh dear…… have I really wasted all this time talking to you?

Jonny

Bad Judgment In Foreign Policy:

1. voting against invading Iraq in 1992 after the Iraqis invaded Kuwait

2. proposing to divide Iraq into 3 separate areas based on ethnicity without consulting the Iraqis (helloooo!)

3. opposing the successful surge which causes obamamessiah to choke every time he has to admit it.

4. Wanting to give a terror supporting nation, Iran, a $200 million dollar check for the hell of it.

Only you two morons would think backpacking through europe, getting drunk, trying to pick up girls (unsuccessfully), and puking all over yourselves, is some sort of insight into foreign policy.

You have no idea. Traveling is essential in my life. It shows me the meaning of a word you ought to learn….. Tolerance.

When you old enough, I’ll tell you about the stories of my visit’s to Egypt and the sad, sad state of the children there. When you’re even older, I might tell you about the wonderful people of Italy who where kind enough to cook for us at our villa just outside Florence.
Or maybe when you start growing ‘hair down their’, I’ll tell you about the Greeks who make the best salads ever!

When you’re ready, let me know.

Jonny

1. How can anyone answer a question that is based on facts that don’t exist? Don’t waste my time with this crap.

2. I didn’t forget anything, douche bag. But don’t try to fucking order me to go to another site to watch some crap that you think is relevant but as usual you misrepresent.

You support ‘counselling’ girls raped by their fathers as long as they keep that baby alive?

Do you just make this shit up? Or, does it come shooting out of your ass magically?

Or maybe when you start growing ‘hair down their’, I’ll tell you about the Greeks who make the best salads ever!

Wow, british douchebag! You’ve brought this blog down to a whole new level:

Greeks who make the best salads ever = Salad making or tossing: to explore the anal cavity with your tongue.

I don’t think I can ‘talk’ to you anymore Anon.

In all seriousness, not only have you bored the tears out of me on your last few posts, you’ve proven to me what a child you are.

Now, you’re either an older guy with no intellect, or you’re a child.

I hope for your sake you’re a child. It would make you look better.

I wish you well Anon, as I wish to my worst enemy, but don’t expect any retort from me in future.

Have a good life.

Jonny

You never talk to anyone, british douchebag. You and others merely insult people and the US and then whine when the same is done to you. You post lies and misrepresent facts. You try to act like a big man to compensate for your obvious lack of education and the fact you only sell t-shirts for a living. The last straw was when you felt you had to share your disgusting sexual habits with us. And, please, no one buys your b.s. that you are bored with anything. And if only I had a penny for every time you said you would not respond to me again. I would be a wealthy man. Wait… I already am a wealthy man.

Anonymous:

In reply to your swipe about me “backpacking through Europe” and “puking all over myself”…

That’s not really what I did (most of the time), but regardless, I never claimed to be a foreign policy expert. Palin does. So in response, yeah I do think having been in foreign countries before you turn 40 does give you a more (to use a term you should be familiar with) fair and balanced picture of the world outside the U.S. and to understand where people are coming from.

I’ve had very pleasant and enlightening experiences in both Asia and Europe. When you travel and interact with citizens of a foreign country instead of “puking all over yourself” you learn a great deal about empathy, seeing all sides of an issue, and perhaps most importantly, realizing just how blessed we are in the United States, the UK, and other western countries, to learn from the mistakes of those less fortunate and to lend them a helping hand.

Jonny: no worries, apology accepted. We’ve all got to deal with our stereotypes, right? : )

This has nothing to do with anything, but I’m curious because the U.S. media seem to have gotten bored with him: is Banksy still active in the UK? Any big political pieces been going up?

This has nothing to do with anything, but I’m curious because the U.S. media seem to have gotten bored with him: is Banksy still active in the UK? Any big political pieces been going up?

You’ve hit on a personal love of mine, being a Graphic Artist and all.
I was personally very disappointed when he was ‘revealed’ a couple of months ago.
Not to sure whether or not this was a real unmasking due to the differing stories I’ve heard.
Don’t get me wrong, I love his work – but it’s lost that ‘edge’ for me.
You know when you hit on a good group and nobody knows about them, then all of a sudden they are number one all over the world?
Same happened to me with Banksy.

Not been to interested as of late since Pitt and Jolie became celebrity idols of his I prefer to stumble on his work, on the corner of an old pub on Old Kent Road rather than seeing behind a perspex protector in a champagne bar.

Looking out for the next best thing now John – I’ll be sure to ‘hint’ in your direction when I find it

All the best.

Jonny

John:

Oh, please! She never claimed to be an expert nor is it necessary. What is required is good judgment and good advisors. If anything, Biden has proved time after time that his judgment is abysmal and that after 36 years his only expertise is managing to maintain his job in an over bloated bureaucracy. Palin has a track record for just the opposite. Let me be blunt: People like you and the twit, who have never held jobs with any great responsibilities are poor judges. I will chalk that up to your youth and career paths.

Yours and the twits opinion that eurotour ,with or without the puking all over yourself, is mandatory for everyone is merely your own opinion and is not factually based. And, it is no more valid than mine. And let me assure you: I have done more traveling than both of you combined and worked in foreign countries.

And I am unmoved by your schtick, “to lend them a helping hand.” Have you ever done anything? Or, do you just talk about it? I loathe to reveal anything about my personal life, but a long time ago and in another life, I worked with various relief missions in Mexico, Iraq, and Ethiopia. So, get back to me if and when you and the twit actually have some adult experience in something useful and meaningful. Until then, your opinions are based on childish experiences.

I seem to remember a Governor of some ass backwards little state, arkansas, I think, became president. HMMMM. Did whatever you say bothers you about Palin bother you then? Or is it more likely you are merely a closet racist, guilt ridden, save the world liberal?
And jonjon, congratulations on hijacking another thread. troll on, dude.

At the time of his governorship, Bill Clinton had

1. Received a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service from Georgetown University

2. Obtained a J.D. from Yale University

3. Served as a Professor at the University of Arkansas

At the time of her governorship, Palin had been mayor of a town that sported less than 2,000 people. There’s absolutely no comparison.

Also…racist? What in the blazes are you blabbering about? Are you suggesting I am racist against whites? You do know I’m white, right?

In response to anonymous:

Funny you should ask. I have never worked or volunteered in a foreign country, but I have done quite a bit of community service and volunteer work here in the states.

[Editor --- John, I'm glad you pointed out those top three points. Because in my experience, real-world on the job experience trumps classroom learning and theoretical experience every single time. Of course, since you're still just a college kid, you probably like to believe all that book-learning you're doing makes you more qualified for a particular job than somebody else who's actually been doing that job, but has not degree.

You didn't mean to, but you just made the case as to why Sen. Palin is qualified.]

Also, you’re reframing the argument. I never said that it’s “mandatory”, I only said that Palin has said that she’s had foreign policy experience because she lives close to Russia. Anyone can see that’s absurd.

Anon:

Congratulations, I commend you on your travel and work experience, I hope I can be as well-traveled and worldly as you one day. I’d rather have you be veep than Palin.

Also, you’re reframing the argument. I never said that it’s “mandatory”, I only said that Palin has said that she’s had foreign policy experience because she lives close to Russia. Anyone can see that’s absurd.

No, you are the one attempting to re- framing the argument. You and the other one keep bringing up this travel crap and now you are taking out of context and misrepresentin what Palin said. You are the one who is absurd.

Congratulations, I commend

I neither need nor what any commendation from you. I brought it up to show that you and the other one know very little about the world though you think you do. Until you are actually responsible for decisions that affect the lives of others, your opinion isn’t worth much.

Anonymous:

OK. Fine, you don’t have to take my compliments.

Robbie:

Can you please tell me exactly what “real world experience” Palin has that makes her so accomplished? When she was mayor she was responsible for a city that housed less people than the suburb I grew up in. As governor of Alaska, she is responsible for a population smaller than the city of Houston. What makes you think she’s ready to be responsible for the entire country?

I find it telling that I know many conservative republicans (I was born and raised and currently reside in the reddest of red states, after all) who hate Palin with a fiery passion and want to know what the hell McCain was thinking.

John, I understand you’re a Texan (living in Texas?) but ‘Anonymous’, or whatever he/she/it call themselves is reminds of the reason we left America all those years ago.

Not sure how old you are John, but I remember a liberal, friendly and open America that would respect and entertain all those who where privileged to step on her shores.
When did these extremists get a voice?
What happened to the tolerant society I left all those years ago?

Please tell me people such as ‘Anonymous’ are in the VAST minority?

Jonny

MEDIA BIAS ROBS AMERICANS OF THE TRUTH
The media’s continual bias in favor of Obama is not only disgusing, it’s against everything that America, a Free Press, and Freedom of Speech stands for. To suggest that there is no media bias in favor of Obama not only robs Americans of the truth, it insults the intelligence of the American people.
TALK IS CHEAP … CHECK OBAMA’S RECORD !!!
A candidate’s track record, and associations are always a legitimate issue when running for President. Let’s take a look at the qualifications, judgement, and experience of Obama, who is running for President. Obama had 25 years to fulfill the potential he displayed as a rising start at Harvard Law School … and, how did he live up to that potential? … He chose to align himself with anti-American racist, Jeremiah Wright for TWENTY YEARS … along with Ferrahkan, Rezko, Ayers, and others. As a community organizer, he registered thousands of voters in Chicago … then, when he ran for the state legislature, he took away their votes, by disqualifying his opponent (a black woman) on a technicality. As a U.S. Senator, he voted present 160 times … he never called a meeting on the Afghanistan committee he chaired (although he NOW says we must shift all our military from Iraq to Afghanistan). He claimed Foreign Policy experience from a 9 day whirlwind photo op to 6 countries. And, he spent almost half of his tenure neglecting his responsibilities as a U.S. Senator, so he could run for President. Senator McCain served America honorably for 22 years in the military. He proved his love for America, as well as his honor, integrity and character, by refusing early release as a P.O.W., even while being tortured. He served America as a ‘contributing’ U.S. Senator, working across the aisle, for 20 years. If Obama’s Twentyfive year track record shows he lacks judgement, and can’t be trusted, who cares what he says about Health Care and the Economy! What Obama never learned is Character. He simply can’t be trusted … ask Jeremiah Wright, a friend of 20 years, who Obama betrayed for personal ambition … and, you Obama supporters really think he won’t betray you If he gets elected??? If he gets elected, you Obama supporters will be facing a HUGE disillusionment !!!