This will be the official open thread for the night as we all await the McCain vs. Obama results.
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7:54 — I glanced a few minutes ago, and it showed that Obama was leading Texas. Big. But I just checked back and the numbers have swung back to McCain (where they will stay the rest of the night).
7:58 — despite the fact that the Democratic party has gone out of their way to repeatedly mockand belittle the people of Pennsylvania, they are carrying Obama (66%) right now (2% reporting). I guess folks of western PA will just be content to suckat the government teat of welfare and entitlement programs after they lose their jobs at their bankrupted coal jobs.
l guess any constituency that voted Murtha back into office repeatedly might be the ignorant hicks that Murtha said they were. Lucky for him.
8:00 — Florida is leaning Obama right now (52%) with 46% of precincts reporting. Not good.
I’m officially starting to think we might lose this.
8:46 — Texas was just called for McCain. Well, at least we have that. Thank goodness for living in a sane state.




robbie, any word on murtha?
No word on Murtha yet. But I’ll take a look and see if I find anything. But as heavy as PA is leaning Obama right now, I’m not optimistic.
Oh, come on!
I think you can continue to deny reality for at least a few more hours!
Cornyn’s ahead by approx. 350,000.
If obama empty suit wins…..I would laugh if, once in office, he turned his back on the ultra liberals in the democratic party and went at least moderate.
Fox news just mention that a poll among democrats revealed that less than 25% consider themselves ultra liberal.
From the back seat in a bus to the front seat in the White House.
I congratulate all Americans with their new President Mr. Obama.
What an accomplishment in such a short time.
Probably only possible in the USA.
Respect.
Jacques, Amsterdam, Holland
If obama empty suit wins…..I would laugh if, once in office, he turned his back on the ultra liberals in the democratic party and went at least moderate.
Left by SB Smith on November 4th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
He won’t. After a brief honeymoon period, the press will start going after him. The man is corrupt. He has violated state ethics laws and campaign donation laws. The FBI is zeroing in on the his shady land deal with Rezko. He has promised everybody everything and they are going to expect him to deliver. This looks like it will be a repeat of the Clinton scandals. Additionally, all the gold brickers who thought they were going to be getting government checks if Comrade Barry won, are going to have a rude awakening.
Why deny it? The reality is that you are a moron and you will always be a moron.
Oh, Anon, does the losing hurt bad?
Would you like to use your stellar judgments to make anymore accurate and profound predictions?
You guys have raised pathetic to an art form.
Shades of things to come? Nice.
Yep, Robbie, at least we live in a sane state.
Time to start the secession movement again, we don’t need the idiots from the leftard states.
What happened to McCain huh !?! First african american president, black pride!
McCain’s concession speech was pretty disappointing. It’s fine to be gracious, but he went overboard, practically telling us that we were wrong to support McCain.
Of course now the press is back in love with McCain, but they are tut-tutting about those awful Republicans he has to hang with.
I posted my predictions for the next two years on my blog this morning. Bottom line: We’ll have a good ride for the next six to eight months, but look for things to start going down hill fast on the economy and national security fronts by next fall.
We’ll remember the good old days of October, 2008.
You know that Osama is already planning to move to Iraq once CinC Obama raises the white flag there.
Agree McCain’s concession speech was overboard…….Did he write it or someone else ?
What were they thinking ?
It’s a brand new day!
Short night,
Let’s work!
I could have told you that months ago – hold on, I did!
Just thought I’d nip back and bathe in the glory!
Well done America, I’m proud of you!
It won’t be long now before you enter the modern age!
I guess you’re all called Obamarians now? Nice
Jonny
Would you like to use your stellar judgments to make anymore accurate and profound predictions?
Yes. You, patty, and the euroweenies will always be assholes. You can take that to the bank!
On a brighter note, I read the other day that Iranian missiles can now reach europe. Yah!
Henh.
Anonymous, I’m wondering when Israel strikes Iran, this week or next?
As for B-HO, we survived him once in the form of Jimmy Carter, and survive him again.
Now the left will get to feel what is like to get their judicial nominees filibustered.
We got B-HO’s unity, and it’s leaving swirly marks.
I will extend to our new President, even less courtesy and respect, than the left has to President Bush.
America’s brain fart is a temporary condition.
Just damned depressing.
I just hope Israel doesn’t attack before Iran hits europe.
1. Hi Jonny. Good to here from you again, but if it’s all the same to you, I’d rather not be called an “Obamarian”. For one thing, it sounds too much like “ovarian” which creeps me out a little.
2. The silver lining is that this means we will get a solid Republican majority in congress after the 2010 election.
But even that has a down side, potentially. For his first two years in office, Obama will have carte blanche to indulge his liberal nature. This will make him an extremely unpopular president. But for the second two years, a Republican congress will be able to rein him in slightly, while at the same time repairing some of the damage he will cause between now and 2010. So conditions in America will improve during Obama’s second two years in office, and Obama will be able to take the credit for it.
The American people have an extremely short memory, and in 2012, very few will remember the bad old days of 2009-2010, and there is a very good chance that the improvements brought about by a Republican congress will result in a second term for Obama. I am convinced that this is what happened to Bill Clinton; if he had been able to do whatever he wanted for his entire first term, he would not have been re-elected in 1996, because for the most part, the things that he wanted tended to make the rest of the country fuming mad.
3.
That’s because liberals almost never admit to being liberal; prefering instead to pretend that they are “moderates” or “centrists” (remember Bill Clinton’s “New Democrat” commercials from 1992?). Any time someone calls themself a “moderate”, just assume that they are a far-left liberal and you will almost never be wrong.
And how many McCain voters do you think consider themselves “ultra” conservative?
The country hasn’t rejected conservatism per se, but the center-right coalition has been retired as the country has been moving left since 2004. On a 1-10 scale with 10 being ultra conservative, the country has shifted from about a 7 in 2001 to a 4 in 2008 and it’s well on it’s way to the 3/2 range now that Obama will show the country how responsible governing is done. Don’t expect to see a mandate-based agenda of ultra liberal policies coming from the White House. Expect both extremes left and right to express varying degrees of disappointment that Obama didn’t turn out to be quite what they predicted. While those in the outer 30% ranges will not be placated, the center-left 40% will get it’s way, as they run as far to the left from Rovian Republicanism as they can stomach. All the years of GOP propaganda about how Dems are godless socialists who want your money and babies aborted were no match for the moral and economic bankruptcy left to us by the Republican Party.
This is what a sea change looks like, something not many living Americans can claim they’ve ever directly experienced, so all our bets here are off.
Now go enjoy your exhaust fumes.
I well remember the Carter years, having graduated from college in 1974.
It wasn’t fun, no fun at all. European style unemployment, 13% mortgages, runaway inflation, terrorists laughing their asses off at us, and a President blaming it all on us when he wasn’t overseas apologizing for our existance.
And I think 2010 will be worse if only because the Islamic terror attacks will be much worse than the takeover of our Tehran embassy was.
Most Republicans call themselves conservative, but not “ultra” conservative. I believe this to be an accurate description, because I am ultra-conservative, and most Republicans are slightly to my left.
And that’s kinda my point. Very few conservatives attempt to paint themselves as “moderates”. Most conservatives readily acknowledge their conservatism, and in fact are proud of it.
The exact opposite is true of liberals: hardly any admit that they are liberals, even fewer appear to be proud of it.
LOL!!!!!!!
As an old Sailor, I can tell you from experience that sea changes seldom last as long as you think they will.
Now go enjoy your exhaust fumes.
You first, sweetie!
Very interesting point.
I have been predicting for a long time now that there will be a major terrorist attack in 2009. Here’s why I say that:
Early in the Clinton administration the U.S. was attacked by terrorists, and the president did essentially nothing about it. Throughout the entire Clinton presidency, the U.S. was plagued by terrorist attacks.
Early in the Bush administration the U.S. was attacked by terrorists, and the President responded with overwhelming force. There have been no further terrorist attacks on the U.S. since.
Early in the Obama presidency, the U.S. will be attacked by terrorists. The nature of Obama’s response will set the tone for his entire time in office. If he responds with overwhelming force (unlikely), we should be OK, mostly; if he does nothing (very likely), get ready for some hard times.
I have never been afraid to call myself liberal. Despite the right’s relatively successful redefinition of the term, I agree with the philospophies of classical liberalism as espoused by Voltaire, John Locke, and Thomas Paine. I have no problem when right-wingers try to use the term pejoratively, as I have the courage of my own convictions to remind me how misguided their worldviews are.
I’m definitely slightly left of center on a lot of issues: separation of church and state, legalizing drug use, gay marriage being chief among them.
I’m pretty right of center on other issues: gun control for example.
I’m in what I think is in reality a “center” position but often gets painted as left or right: anti-censorship, for example.
Early in the Bush administration the U.S. was attacked by terrorists, and the President responded with overwhelming force. There have been no further terrorist attacks on the U.S. since.
I must agree with Colin…
Wrong.
Right.
Pat
9/11/01 – WTC/Pentagon attack
9/18/01 – First anthrax letter mailed
10/7/01 – OEF begins
10/9/01 – Last anthrax letter mailed
3/20/03 – OIF begins
The assertion that Bush’s response to 9/11 was insufficient to prevent the anthrax attacks is misleading, since Bush’s response had not yet happened at that time.
Colin
1/21/2001 – GW Bush sworn in as 43rd President
8/6/2001 – Bush receives PDB entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US.”
4/14/2004 – 9/11 Commission hearings: – Roemer then asked Tenet if he mentioned Moussaoui to President Bush at one of their frequent morning briefings. Tenet replied, “I was not in briefings at this time.” Bush, he noted, “was on vacation.” He added that he didn’t see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. “You never talked with him?” Roemer asked. “No,” Tenet replied. By the way, for much of August, Tenet too was, as he put it, “on leave.”
9/11/2001 – you know the rest
Can’t you at least admit the guy was flat asleep at the switch? The Cole was bombed in October 2000 right before he was elected. Terrorism was way down his priority list, right when it was at the boiling point all over the Middle East. It’s common knowledge that he was focused on cooking up a scheme for ousting Saddam and getting more Republican congressmen elected, and that’s it. That we haven’t been attacked since, well, we were attacked, doesn’t excuse him from being the one in charge when we WERE actually attacked.
If George W. Bush was responsible for 9/11, then Bill Clinton was responsible for the first WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers, the embassy bombings, and the USS Cole.
My original point was that we will be attacked again shortly after Obama is inaugurated, because the terrorists are going to test Obama the same way they tested Bush and Clinton. If Obama does nothing, like Clinton, we will get a lot more attacks. If Obama responds forcefully enough, like Bush, we will not (as much).
You couldn’t be, and couldn’t have been before, more clear, Colin.
The one you are addressing will never get it…or admit he does.
You guys can’t wait to break out the flags and yellow ribbons again can you? Please Osama, come and save the wingnuts from extinction!!
I see your insecurities are showing again, Pat.
It’s okay to be a physical coward…embrace it, revel in it, and own it.
Just be honest about it, and perhaps one day, you too will overcome your failings, and learn that peace isn’t a cause, it’s an effect.
Best wishes for you, in this regard.