Comments on: A ‘God Moment’ In Mumbia’s Oberoi Hotel! http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/ Sometimes the truth hurts Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dianne http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144880 dianne Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:17:11 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144880 No2 - I read the St. Anselm reference and have bookmarked it for rereading. I "think" that's what I think too. Thanks for the additional information on your friends. No2 – I read the St. Anselm reference and have bookmarked it for rereading. I “think” that’s what I think too.

Thanks for the additional information on your friends.

]]> By: Robbie Cooper http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144878 Robbie Cooper Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:05:40 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144878 Remarkable story. I'm thankful that your friends are safe. Thanks for sharing this with us. Remarkable story. I’m thankful that your friends are safe.

Thanks for sharing this with us.

]]> By: No2Liberals http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144870 No2Liberals Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:29:20 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144870 Dianne, first of all, I contribute to LOMA, as I do here. I've made some internet buds over the years, who trust me enough with the keys to the place, as long as I sweep up when I'm done, and don't trash the place. As for the rest of the story, they hunkered down in their room, barricaded the door with furniture, watched tv until it became repetitive in it's reporting, and too overwhelming emotionally. No one tried to breech the door, thankfully, and the fires didn't force them to leave their room. They had all basic services most of the time, but on the second day, they lost phone and water. Then the phones came back on, and the rescuers called them, and informed them what the code word would be when the commandos came to their door. They waited quite a while, before the rescue came, and they were told they were in the final group to be rescued. One sad note, they did have to witness the carnage in the lobby, when they came down, and the son was asked to help identify bodies. The father and daughter from their group were among them. I strongly encouraged him to write about what had happened, and too seek counseling, as he is at risk for the pernicious PTSD. As for non-believers, I don't care what they say, or about their doubts or misgivings. I know from experience, that believing in God is a personal journey. How could I possibly know why he does what he does? As <a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/anselm.html" rel="nofollow">St. Anselm of Canterbury</a> said, in his Proslogion, God is "something greater than which cannot be thought." Dianne, first of all, I contribute to LOMA, as I do here.
I’ve made some internet buds over the years, who trust me enough with the keys to the place, as long as I sweep up when I’m done, and don’t trash the place.
As for the rest of the story, they hunkered down in their room, barricaded the door with furniture, watched tv until it became repetitive in it’s reporting, and too overwhelming emotionally. No one tried to breech the door, thankfully, and the fires didn’t force them to leave their room. They had all basic services most of the time, but on the second day, they lost phone and water. Then the phones came back on, and the rescuers called them, and informed them what the code word would be when the commandos came to their door. They waited quite a while, before the rescue came, and they were told they were in the final group to be rescued.
One sad note, they did have to witness the carnage in the lobby, when they came down, and the son was asked to help identify bodies. The father and daughter from their group were among them. I strongly encouraged him to write about what had happened, and too seek counseling, as he is at risk for the pernicious PTSD.
As for non-believers, I don’t care what they say, or about their doubts or misgivings. I know from experience, that believing in God is a personal journey. How could I possibly know why he does what he does? As St. Anselm of Canterbury said, in his Proslogion, God is “something greater than which cannot be thought.”

]]> By: dianne http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144867 dianne Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:11:11 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144867 Pat, all I can say is you have the same free will as me. That child you describe is a victim of somebody's free will to do evil. There are many things that happen that are too heinous to even think about and I can understand how you feel. For me, if I did not have God, I simply could not cope with these terrible things. I could not mentally survive. Better people than me have tried to answer your questions. I can't. And, I'll just have to leave it at that. Pat, all I can say is you have the same free will as me. That child you describe is a victim of somebody’s free will to do evil. There are many things that happen that are too heinous to even think about and I can understand how you feel. For me, if I did not have God, I simply could not cope with these terrible things. I could not mentally survive.

Better people than me have tried to answer your questions. I can’t. And, I’ll just have to leave it at that.

]]> By: Pat http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144864 Pat Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:39:02 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144864 Who's free will are we talking about here? The terrorists' certainly expressed their free will. Too bad God didn't give their victims that option. Does a 5 year-old rape victim have free will, and if so,what good was it to her since her wish <strong>not</strong> to be raped was not granted by your God? A lot of people would love to be able to fly like a bird. Why did God prevent that exercise of free will, but allowed us to murder people? You're right - it is a mystery - so why do religious folks claim to know where to fill in the gaps in our knowledge? Who’s free will are we talking about here?

The terrorists’ certainly expressed their free will. Too bad God didn’t give their victims that option.

Does a 5 year-old rape victim have free will, and if so,what good was it to her since her wish not to be raped was not granted by your God?

A lot of people would love to be able to fly like a bird. Why did God prevent that exercise of free will, but allowed us to murder people?

You’re right – it is a mystery – so why do religious folks claim to know where to fill in the gaps in our knowledge?

]]> By: dianne http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144862 dianne Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:20:32 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144862 Pat - God gave us free will. If we didn't have free will, we would not be any different than any other living thing on earth. With free will, comes good and evil. God does intervene, however, and when and why he does is a mystery which I believe will only be revealed to us after we die along with all the other mysteries of "life". Have you ever thought about how idiot savants cannot tie their shoes, yet have the ability to do things that are unexplainable by science? We may very well have the knowledge of God within us but cannot see it. Pat – God gave us free will. If we didn’t have free will, we would not be any different than any other living thing on earth. With free will, comes good and evil. God does intervene, however, and when and why he does is a mystery which I believe will only be revealed to us after we die along with all the other mysteries of “life”. Have you ever thought about how idiot savants cannot tie their shoes, yet have the ability to do things that are unexplainable by science? We may very well have the knowledge of God within us but cannot see it.

]]> By: Pat http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144860 Pat Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:42:29 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144860 The Riddle of Epicurus seems on point here: <em>Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?</em> The Riddle of Epicurus seems on point here:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

]]> By: dianne http://urbangrounds.com/2008/12/a-god-moment-in-mumbias-oberoi-hotel/#comment-144859 dianne Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:38:08 +0000 http://urbangrounds.com/?p=3538#comment-144859 That was quite the riveting story. How many times have you or someone you know said relative to a tragic event, "If it would have been 1 minute earlier" or something like that. Yes, I think most of us have had those God moments, whether we realize it or not. I have to say I want to know more of this story. Did the terrorists try to get in their room? What were your friends thinking? What did they hear or see? I can only imagine. And, I see you have your own blog...I may be a new reader. That was quite the riveting story. How many times have you or someone you know said relative to a tragic event, “If it would have been 1 minute earlier” or something like that. Yes, I think most of us have had those God moments, whether we realize it or not.

I have to say I want to know more of this story. Did the terrorists try to get in their room? What were your friends thinking? What did they hear or see? I can only imagine.

And, I see you have your own blog…I may be a new reader.

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