Dear whiney Liberals (in the voice of Lt. Col. Nathan Jessup, “Is there any other kind?”) — from now on you can no longer base your Bush Derangement Syndrome on Bush’s use of “illegal” wiretaps.
Which means you’ll also have to drop the entire “Bush shredded the Constitution” meme — as it was predicated almost entirely on the wiretapping allegation.
In case you haven’t read the heartbreaking (for Liberals) news yet:
WASHINGTON – A federal intelligence court, in a rare public opinion, is expected to issue a major ruling validating the power of the president and Congress to wiretap international phone calls and intercept e-mail messages without a court order, even when Americans’ private communications may be involved.
Sad that Liberals will take the news of our President using a legal power to protect them and their families as bad news. Very telling of their decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings.
In the meantime, all you Liberal vermin owe the President not only an apology, but a heartfelt “thank you” for keeping your undeserving asses safe from further terrorists attacks.
The article is inacurrate. The FISA court ruled that Congress, not the President, is constitutionally permitted to authorize warrantless international wiretaps, something the Supreme Court may ultimately decide. FISA court ruled that warrantless eavedsdropping powers authorized by Congress under the (now-expired) Protect America Act do not violate the Fourth Amendment because, the court found, there is an exception to the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement for foreign intelligence gathering. That ruling has nothing to do with the President’s authority to override statutes generally or violate FISA specifically — a power which the likely new Attorney General today said had no basis in law, which (at least in Holder’s view) means that the President broke the law when ordering the NSA to spy on Americans without warrants.
If only. There’s this. Then this. And this.
For startes. Given Sneakey Dick’s aversion to sunlight, who knows what other misdeeds lurk beneath this criminal gang’s veneer?
who knows what other misdeeds lurk beneath this criminal gang’s veneer?
fake children? Big windows? sneakin dick? chimpyhalliburtonbushcheneyhitler?
The article is accurate, it specifically states that the eavesdropping(there were never any wire-taps) program that the administration ran for many years were not ruled on in this court case.
Still, I find it funny that liberals think that every phone call, by every person in America could be listened in on. I know it’s difficult for liberals to understand this, but government is not God.
The terrorist links with other countries to this one are well known, and personally, I would be upset if they weren’t tracking known or suspected terrorist phone calls into this country.
I noticed Pat spoke of Eric Holder in a favorable light, yet speaks of President Bush and VP Cheney as criminals. Another peek into opposite world.
I also think all forms of interrogation are to be used when dealing with terrorist. The murderous bastards laugh at our rules, and use them against us, with the aid of the left. We should establish rules outside of current treaties specifically for dealing with terrorist, as they are not covered by U.S. criminal law, in most cases, and certainly aren’t covered by international agreements, such as Geneva. Waterboarding, sleep deprivation, white noise, and other such uncomfortable treatments aren’t torture, they are tricks. We should use actual torture, and if the terrorist died from the practices, the rules should protect the interrogators from any and all prosecution. This is war, this isn’t some debate over tolerance of other cultures.
Great exchange on Scarborough with a bleeding heart, terrorist have feelings too, moonbat.
This is great:
Scarborough is a great exchange and that is what we have to look forward to the next 4 years. Augh upchuck time!! Oh yeah great poem also.
Zo is back, and at Big Hollywood.
I Hope Barack Obama Succeeds…
Please cite for us where this exemption can be found in any of the GCs. Should these new rules be subject to Constitutional provisions, or should we convene another constitutional convention and draft a new bill of rights?
Survey says…no! We prosecuted Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.
This is war, this isn’t some debate over tolerance of other cultures.
Not by the definition given in the Constitution.
The price of claiming to be above the very same laws that you swore an oath to prtotect is to lose the presumption of innocence that ordinary people who don’t have the opportunity to make such claims enjoy under our legal system.
I marvel at conservatives fealty to all that is Anglo-American except when it comes to our legal system. Why is it deemed insufficient by them to prosecute people who have committed crimes against the United States? Under what authority can you claim a right to imprison any humnan being indefinitely without a trial when the only case being made is that they might attack your country? If that’s the standard then I suggest you start breeding now because at the rate we’re making friends these days you’ll be throwing warm young bodies at them until the Sun explodes.
Different type of waterboarding, weenieboy. What the japs did was torture. What we did was not. If it was, there wouldn’t be so many of your leftards willing to demonstrate it on college campuses.
Japanese method: by binding or holding down the victim on his back, placing a cloth over his mouth and nose, and pouring water onto the cloth. In this version, interrogation continued during the torture, with the interrogators beating the victim if he did not reply and the victim swallowing water if he opened his mouth to answer or breathe. When the victim could ingest no more water, the interrogators would beat or jump on his distended stomach.
CIA method: a cloth or plastic wrap is placed over or in the person’s mouth, and water is poured on to the person’s head. As far as the details of this technique, press accounts differ – one article describes “dripping water into a wet cloth over a suspect’s face”,[19] another states that “cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner’s face and water is poured over him”.
Forgot to post the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
Your truly are blinded by your obtuse ideology.
I said “we should.”
Really? Show me.
Sounds like Eric Holder to me.
Your last paragraph is just a nonsensical rant. People like KSM are not entitled to the full service of our judicial system, they are war criminals, and until all the teeth-knashing by the ACLU types, not covered by habeus corpus. If those alleged friends we need are sympathetic to those who would murder our citizens, like you, then fuck’em! We need fewer friends like that.
You have no idea what was going on at Guantanamo and esewhere, and if the compliant media and Congress gets their way, you never will.
Are you willing to test your assumptions by submitting yourself to the Japanese and CIA versions yourself, and prove me wrong?
You said terrorists are not covered by Geneva – that is untrue and I challenge you to prove where the treaty specifically exempts non-state actors from its protections, as conservatives repeatedly claim.
You also said we should establish laws outside of current treaties, which is nonsense:
Article VI, cl. 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Again., on what authority do you rely to make this claim? The Great Writ was enshrined in the Magna Carta in 1066. The very basic principle that all humans are entitled to face their accusers applies to very person who has been accused regardless of where they happen to live. The only exception to this in American history was when Lincoln suspended the writ in Maryland in 1861, a time when circumstances were far more dire than on 9/11 and arguably justified a claim such emergency powers. The Supreme Court deemed that act illegal after the war so there is absolutely no precedent on which anyone can rely to claim that we need to suspend it today. The nature and magnitude of the alleged crime doesn’t matter, nor does the degree of malevolence the accused has toward his accusers. If the accused is killed on the battle ield, then force majeur’ makes moot the accused’s legal rights. But when not presented with that option (and this is certainly not the first time humankind has been faced with such a predicament,) there is a compact among civilized people/nations that justice will be meted out in a fair and transparent manner, habeas corpus lies at the very core of that principle.
Article 1, Sec. 8: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; …To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
Congress has not issued such a declaration since 1941.
You have no idea what was going on at Guantanamo and esewhere, and if the compliant media and Congress gets their way, you never will.
Yawn. You have no idea what is going on anywhere and judging by your posts, you never will.
Are you willing to test your assumptions by submitting yourself to the Japanese and CIA versions yourself, and prove me wrong?
No, because I’m not a whack job like you. The japanese version is torture. If the CIA version was torture, you whackjobs wouldn’t be doing it on each other every chance you can get.
Dang, Pat.
You do love some terrorist, and you do love to go on so about it.
Actually, I do know quite a bit about what has gone on at Club Gitmo. From the murderous bastards attacking our Marines with fan blades, feces, and urine, along with better living quarters than most of them have ever had, a new prayer rug anytime they want one, a new koran, and a diet few muslims will ever get to enjoy.
As for the frat trick of waterboarding, I don’t have to, code stink goofs do it all the time, and it’s part of pilot training.
Unlike you, and the bizarro world of liberals, I understand the difference between a POW, who is entitled to the Geneva, and a terrorist that has helped murder thousands of our citizens, that isn’t. I also understand the difference between an American citizen who has committed a crime, and a terrorist that is not a citizen, and thus not entitled to our criminal courts.
Your reading of the constitution is as distorted as your view of the people that want us dead. That you would even use it as a justification for the murdering of our citizens, so that your precious terrorists can tie up our courts and compromise our national security, is as absurd as you are.
You did leave off a little:
A different SCOTUS could look at that clause and come to a different conclusion, than the one you claim did to Lincoln.
I shouldn’t be, but I’m still amazed by your lack of concern for the safety our citizens, and the prosperity of this country. That you can see the same people I see, that want us dead, yet you don’t see it, or see how necessary it is to stop them in their attempts. They could conceivably nuke one of our cities, or murder tens of thousands with bio/chem weapons, or destroy our infrastructure to the extent that it would cause millions to suffer and/or die. But you don’t care, as long as your parochial view of the constitution remains intact, decent people can burn, starve, or leap to their deaths
You disgust me!
You are worthless and weak.
The diet link is bad, in the above comment.
Here is a better one, anyway.
Departing CIA chief Hayden defends interrogations.
Ahhh! The refreshing sound of reason and sanity on this issue.
Five terrorists, and 35 seconds of waterboarding, and numerous terrorist attacks were prevented, with countless numbers of lives saved.
Apparently, Obama wants a “loophole” for the CIA to continue “harsh” interrogations.