Responding to critics who contend that harsh interrogation methods produce faulty intelligence, Hayden said that interrogations of key Al Qaeda figures accounted for the bulk of the United States’ understanding of the terrorist network and led to a series of successful operations around the globe.

“Do not allow others to say it didn’t work,” Hayden said. “It worked.”

Ahhh! The refreshing sound of reason and sanity on this issue.
Five terrorists, and 35 seconds of waterboarding, and numerous terrorist attacks were prevented, with countless numbers of lives saved.

The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

A different SCOTUS could look at that clause and come to a different conclusion, than the one you claim did to Lincoln.

I shouldn’t be, but I’m still amazed by your lack of concern for the safety our citizens, and the prosperity of this country. That you can see the same people I see, that want us dead, yet you don’t see it, or see how necessary it is to stop them in their attempts. They could conceivably nuke one of our cities, or murder tens of thousands with bio/chem weapons, or destroy our infrastructure to the extent that it would cause millions to suffer and/or die. But you don’t care, as long as your parochial view of the constitution remains intact, decent people can burn, starve, or leap to their deaths
You disgust me!
You are worthless and weak.

Yawn. You have no idea what is going on anywhere and judging by your posts, you never will.

Are you willing to test your assumptions by submitting yourself to the Japanese and CIA versions yourself, and prove me wrong?

No, because I’m not a whack job like you. The japanese version is torture. If the CIA version was torture, you whackjobs wouldn’t be doing it on each other every chance you can get.

You also said we should establish laws outside of current treaties, which is nonsense:

Article VI, cl. 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

People like KSM are not entitled to the full service of our judicial system, they are war criminals, and until all the teeth-knashing by the ACLU types, not covered by habeus corpus

Again., on what authority do you rely to make this claim? The Great Writ was enshrined in the Magna Carta in 1066. The very basic principle that all humans are entitled to face their accusers applies to very person who has been accused regardless of where they happen to live. The only exception to this in American history was when Lincoln suspended the writ in Maryland in 1861, a time when circumstances were far more dire than on 9/11 and arguably justified a claim such emergency powers. The Supreme Court deemed that act illegal after the war so there is absolutely no precedent on which anyone can rely to claim that we need to suspend it today. The nature and magnitude of the alleged crime doesn’t matter, nor does the degree of malevolence the accused has toward his accusers. If the accused is killed on the battle ield, then force majeur’ makes moot the accused’s legal rights. But when not presented with that option (and this is certainly not the first time humankind has been faced with such a predicament,) there is a compact among civilized people/nations that justice will be meted out in a fair and transparent manner, habeas corpus lies at the very core of that principle.

Really? Show me.

Article 1, Sec. 8: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; …To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

Congress has not issued such a declaration since 1941.

press accounts differ

You have no idea what was going on at Guantanamo and esewhere, and if the compliant media and Congress gets their way, you never will.

Are you willing to test your assumptions by submitting yourself to the Japanese and CIA versions yourself, and prove me wrong?

Please cite for us

Your truly are blinded by your obtuse ideology.
I said “we should.”

Not by the definition given in the Constitution.

Really? Show me.

The price of claiming to be above the very same laws that you swore an oath to prtotect is to lose the presumption of innocence that ordinary people who don’t have the opportunity to make such claims enjoy under our legal system.

Sounds like Eric Holder to me.

Your last paragraph is just a nonsensical rant. People like KSM are not entitled to the full service of our judicial system, they are war criminals, and until all the teeth-knashing by the ACLU types, not covered by habeus corpus. If those alleged friends we need are sympathetic to those who would murder our citizens, like you, then fuck’em! We need fewer friends like that.