Michael Dell: Davos Isn’t The Jester Center

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   Sober Russian says:

   1/29/2009 at 8:32 pm

   What a mentally ill / too damn well paid translation of PutIn’s speech you attach here! May you use a pattern someway more like original mantra?

   He didn’t really say anything on anyone’s mental capacity, sorry, dude.

   You must be a one from russian opposition to share thoughts like these above in your blog. Well, just another gang. The problem is that russians prefer to have their own gangsters at hand, not alien ones, like they are having in Georgia and Ukraine.
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   No2Liberals says:

   1/29/2009 at 10:46 pm

   Sorry right back, dude, but according to the report in the story, and the one at La Russophobe, he did.
   From LR:

   Dell asked Putin: “How can we, as an IT sector, help you broaden the economy as you move out of the crisis and take advantage of that great scientific talent that you have?” Putin, who had just admitted in his speech that Russia was too dependent on its raw materials sector, responded by sneering in a deeply disturbing, unhinged manner: “We don’t need any help. We are not invalids. We are not poor, we don’t have limited mental capacities, we are not a nation of pensioners or a developing country.”

   I’ll take the word of LR, and just about anybody, but a Neo-Soviet.
   As for Ukraine and Georgia, they may have their problems, but at least they are no longer federated with a dying Russia.
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   Sober Russian says:

   1/29/2009 at 11:52 pm

   Thanks No2Liberals for the link, gotta check the timestamp.

   “a dying Russia” – I’d really like to see America taking a new birth… dude, world is in shit, but when such translators open their mouths, it’s even more stinky… it’s poison coming out from them with this exhaust.

   As you may imagine, I saw mmmany Americans, and I may say there are 80 per cent of people who really need to know a little bit more about the world around them. From the core source, I stress that.

   Of course, no sober Russians want to know about the situation in the USA from sources like GreenGoHome or Le AmericanoPhobe, because intellect of a site matters. Or, what a site is paid for and how deep are one’s brains injured by systematic selective intensive brainwashing.

   Below is given a quotation from Put_In’s speech, if cyrillic is accepted. If not, please remove and kindly redirect your browser to forum at http://forum.sevastopol.info/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=123369 , it will take a translator if you don’t speak Russian -

   [excellent environment, I may edit on the brief as cyrillics are unreadable, so I'd address the reader to the page linked above]

   The incorrect translation was professionally thrown into internets. Ergo, a well-paid action took place. Who’s the target? Those who think they know the world, but they “just have an opinion”, never been outside the city of residence.

   Ill-bred morons want you to fight with another parts of the world to destroy your country, empten the human resourses… to take over finally, forever. You live in pleasant slavery. It won’t be so good for your grandchildren, I’m afraid, if you let things go as you do now.

   They laughed at your face on 9/11 saying “So, here we are who dun this. So What?”. And making your life for those killers doesn’t worth a dime. Do you have children? You are their oppressed enslaver, feeling comforted by shooting a sitting paper lame duck set up by your indoor enemy. Attack, you are brave and strong… the direction is, look… this!

   73, amigo.

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     No2Liberals says:

     1/30/2009 at 12:17 am

     Uhhh…what?
     As for the dying Russia, that is fairly well known, with the Russian population declining by 700,000 to 1,000,000 people each year, a 1.1 birth replacement rate, 70% of all pregnancies aborted, HIV/Aids in epidemic proportions, and male life expectancy 59yoa. Pooty-Poot isn’t helping, either.
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   Sober Russian says:

   1/30/2009 at 12:57 am

   “Uhhh…what?” –

   Err… ok, forget.

   You get things straight, thx No2Liberals,

   70% abortions – need a source. Who helps the bride if so surely in the know? Though, a terrible number, no one to argue. Births go up since 1998, and now recession is expected. Is anybody happy in the USA because of that?

   Others=true, of course, statistics may speak more or less correct.

   But let me correct an opinion about “dying” – there are consequences of the greatest treason in history, with empowered corrupted bureaucracy of 70-80s brought the country to a huge deficiency of income. Collapse – oops – oh, let’s drop off the extra cargo, I mean 1991′ plot to conspirate the mess as a fake crash of the USSR. But there was allegedly not the bureaucracy running the process.

   Next stop – Perestroika. People were glad they can feel the helping hand of the West in its wide understanding.

   But who else if not the West made Russia even poorer than she was? With Harvard Project and other anti-slovenian pro-fascist shuffle? They needed resourses? Yes. Did they want to pay a fair price? No. So who are they now if not sponsored gangsters? Thus, count the asterisks, f**k them, if they want war, they will get it. But how will they deliver troops as the idea of a nuclear war is out of the question? Do they think NATO will help? No. They have their own people whose level of welfare is maybe a little more than of some of the Russians, and they are very pissed with the ongoing events.

   As I see, your trend is calling Put_In a Pooty-Poot. I don’t really care about him as he’s a big boy already and may post himself. But – you’re a journalist… Need to bring food to family is what makes many people do even the more alien things. I can understand it…
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   Sober Russian says:

   1/30/2009 at 1:09 am

   OOPS?

   anti-slovenian> anti-slavic?
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   No2Liberals says:

   1/30/2009 at 10:38 am

   Are you certain you are…Sober?
   I’m all for the Russian people, especially the one’s who don’t want to return to the old commie days, and want freedom and liberty. The problems Russia is facing are only exacerbated by the poor leadership, and the vorovskoy mir.
   As for my sources, here is one, the inestimable Mark Steyn.

   Russia has all the EU’s problems to the nth degree, and then some. ‘Post-imperial decline’ is manageable; a nation of psychotic lemmings isn’t. As I’ve noted before in this space, Russia is literally dying. From a population peak in 1992 of 148 million, it will be down to below 130 million by 2015 and thereafter dropping to perhaps 50 or 60 million by the end of the century, a third of what it was at the fall of the Soviet Union. It needn’t decline at a consistent rate, of course. But I’d say it’s more likely to be even lower than 50 million than it is to be over 100 million. The longer Russia goes without arresting the death spiral, the harder it is to pull out of it, and when it comes to the future most Russian women are voting with their foetus: 70 per cent of pregnancies are aborted.

   A smaller population needn’t necessarily be a problem, and especially not for a state with too much of the citizenry on the payroll. But Russia is facing simultaneously a massive ongoing drain of wealth out of the system. Whether or not Dominic Midgley was correct the other day in his assertion that the émigré oligarchs prefer London to America, I cannot say. But I notice my own peripheral backwater of Montreal has also filled up with Russkies whose impressive riches have been acquired recently and swiftly. It doesn’t help the grim demographic scenario if your economic base is also being systematically eaten away.

   Add to that the unprecedented strains on a ramshackle public health system. Russia is the sick man of Europe, and would still look pretty sick if you moved him to Africa. It has the fastest-growing rate of HIV infection in the world. From virtually no official Aids cases at the time Putin took office, in the last five years more Russians have tested positive than in the previous 20 for America. The virus is said to have infected at least 1 per cent of the population, the figure the World Health Organisation considers the tipping point for a sub-Saharan-sized epidemic. So at a time when Russian men already have a life expectancy in the mid-50s — lower than in Bangladesh — they’re about to see Aids cut them down from the other end, killing young men and women of childbearing age, and with them any hope of societal regeneration. By 2010, Aids will be killing between a quarter and three-quarters of a million Russians every year. It will become a nation of babushkas, unable to muster enough young soldiers to secure its borders, enough young businessmen to secure its economy or enough young families to secure its future. True, there are regions that are exceptions to these malign trends, parts of Russia that have healthy fertility rates and low HIV infection. Can you guess which regions they are? They start with a ‘Mu-’ and end with a ‘-slim’.

   So the world’s largest country is dying and the only question is how violent its death throes are. Yesterday’s Russia was characterised by Churchill as a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Today’s has come unwrapped: it’s a crisis in a disaster inside a catastrophe. Most of the big international problems operate within certain geographic constraints: Africa has Aids, the Middle East has Islamists, North Korea has nukes. But Russia’s got the lot: an African-level Aids crisis and an Islamist separatist movement sitting on top of the biggest pile of nukes on the planet. Of course, the nuclear materials are all in ‘secure’ facilities — more secure, one hopes, than the secure public buildings in Nalchik that the Islamists took over with such ease last week.

   Russia is the bleakest example on the planet of how we worry about all the wrong things. For 40 years the environmentalists have warned us that the jig was up: there are too many people (see Paul Ehrlich’s comic masterpiece of 1970 The Population Bomb) and too few resources — as the Club of Rome warned in its 1972 landmark study The Limits To Growth, the world will run out of gold by 1981, of mercury by 1985, tin by 1987, zinc by 1990, petroleum by 1992, and copper, lead and gas by 1993. Instead, poor old Russia is awash with resources but fatally short of Russians — and, in the end, warm bodies are the one indispensable resource.

   What would you do if you were Putin? What have you got to keep your rotting corpse of a country as some kind of player? You’ve got nuclear know-how — which a lot of ayatollahs and dictators are interested in. You’ve got an empty resource-rich eastern hinterland — which the Chinese are going to wind up with one way or the other. That was the logic, incidentally, behind the sale of Alaska: in the 1850s, Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich, the brother of Alexander II, argued that the Russian empire couldn’t hold its North American territory and that one day either Britain or the United States would simply take it, so why not sell it to them first? The same argument applies today to the 2,000 miles of the Russo–Chinese border. Given that even alcoholic Slavs with a life expectancy of 56 will live to see Vladivostok return to its old name of Haishenwei, Moscow might as well flog it to Beijing instead of just having it snaffled out from under.
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   Sober Russian says:

   1/30/2009 at 12:35 pm

   Man, I am sober.

   As to that you say vorovskoy mir – definitely a hit, part of it are the truly traitors of their people, hand-to-hand with bureaucracy.

   As to that you say HIV and drugs kill Russians – definitely a hit. And many people from inside and abroad help them run these tracks faster, just like it happens everywhere else.

   But you should understand that there will be no war between Europe and Asia, inspite of all the wishes. And – yes, attempts to rock the situation are becoming more visible during the latest Japan Junk Car protest in Vladivostok (on custom tax rise on used Japanese cars, a piece of bread for many inhabitants of the Far East – you could freely sell 10-30 Yakuza cars per year to continentals, getting an $30-100k margin). Chinese specials have allegedly had a strange kind of a secret treaty with part of the so-called Communist wing of Russian Congress (Duma) to raise the wave of protest and brand-mastering the ongoing movement as a call to get separated from Russia, rather a thorough trend-watch than an attempt to take it over. Chinese officials know that there is not everything so cool in manless steppes of Soth-Eastern Siberia – a “dead wayside” on the routes of alien troops is available on pushing the button.

   The very idea of communism could really work fine if implemented simultaneously worldwide. Everybody, I stress, everybody in the Soviet Union had a free flat [/ward (-: ], permanent work and free qualified education and medicine. The salary was low, yes, and only 10 % had cars… but you needed 1/30 of your personal monthly wages [1/60 for 2ps young family] to pay for water, electricity, gas and cleaning, and 1 of it to cross the whole country twice being fed with natural food. Doors were not locked all night through, in Siberian cities one could surely find a key under the door carpet.

   It was a true community… destroyed by poor leadership, western trading bans/Iron Curtains and domestic commie’s bureaucracy of elitists, their relatives and their stupid servants, as well (-;

   Special services were ordered to maintain the wrong tide. Those who disagreed… well, America differs not much, so you surely understand.

   Years of war and Stalinism produced a great devastation of human resources and the necessary lack of positive image to ban free trade with Soviets. Need no say that this ideology was quite unwilling and dangerous for the owners of capital and their servants. Also, the Soviet bureaucracy made everything to put borders between “the managing class” and the people. If you were not enough strong and clever to have success in protecting your anti-bureaucracy rights, you had to feel like a loser. Two or three generations of such losers produce terrible mess now. The problem is that our new, bright and motivated youth may not manage to grow up to mend it as there is a lot of friendly “help” comes out of pseudo-commies, pseudo-democrats, anarcho-bureaucracy and vorovskoy mir which are being assisted, partially fed and totally blackmailed by qualified specials from abroad.

   In this light, the article by Mark Steyn looks more like a report on a job done. Generally, recent years there was a boost in national economy, and it has a tend to go further. Article like this is forwarded to economy newbies who would like to trade with Russia.
   Besides, No2Liberals, what do you know about WWII nazi funds? If anything is available down the safe and you are not too damn scared to talk about it, lemme know, ok?

   Please feel free to correct not only my political issues, but also linguistic mistakes. Policy is nothing. Language is everything.

   73

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     No2Liberals says:

     1/30/2009 at 1:00 pm

     But you should understand that there will be no war between Europe and Asia, inspite of all the wishes.

     No one I know wishes that.

     The very idea of communism could really work fine if implemented simultaneously worldwide.

     That’s total bullshit! Communism, like islam, is a retrograde force on mankind.
     I expect to keep the rewards for my work. I want government to get out of my way, not control all production and distribution. Without a firm understanding of free markets, or of freedom and liberty, you fall back on the model you are most familiar with. Communism is the problem, not the answer.

     In this light, the article by Mark Steyn looks more like a report on a job done.

     Then you fail to understand the premise from which Steyn operates from. He has written books on this subject, as well as the EU, and it’s islamicization, and how that effects the U.S. in the future. That he points out information he has carefully researched that isn’t always pleasant to read, he does so with the express hope that these events can be altered, if people would recognize and address them.

     The issue of Nazi war funds is for another time and place.
     For some interesting reading, here is a recently translated piece by Prof.Yury Afanasiev of Russian State University.
     The End of Russia?

     You should know I have no sympathy for Neo-Soviets. If you aren’t working to help Russia establish firm democratic prinicples, I view you as part of the problem.
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   Sober Russian says:

   1/30/2009 at 4:20 pm

   If you aren’t working to help Russia establish firm democratic prinicples, I view you as part of the problem -

   I will fight for protecting rights to have views, and your one is not excepted. Especially in your own blog.

   Owning something is an idea, an intensed string which bankers can pull as heavy as loud they want you to resound. Who says you have no property in, well, better say, socialism? Make sputniks, not missiles, if you don’t have any other idea how to employ your own mankind. Let local settlements have unexpensive wind turbines, not those sold for $300k each. Rule the flow to maintain expensive but urgent production, why giving the interest to banks. Who they generally think they are, those bankers? They just think that interest money is their unalienable property – wrong and rotten from the roots! And the roots are those that milk Wall Street and the like inter-institutions worldwide. They wonder now how they yawned away the opportunity to get Russian resourses on the house.

   OK, evil enemy, maybe let’s change, your info on WWII finances for mine on tech how your analytics and researchers were doomilngy pwnd at post-Soviet times when everything seemed so easy – just come and take it?

   On prof. Yury Afanasiev: of course, our youth must get a qualified national feed. His works view the situation from a critical point based on prognosis formulas from Harvard Project. Well, US officials now have some questions to the honourable authors of this solid scripture, but the matter is following: he is just interpolating. So the students of MSU work logically with two points of view developed by the people they can trust, not by the euphemeric “democrats” or “republicans”. The same situation is under prof. Igor Panarin of Moscow University of Foreign Relations who states that the USA will soon separate into six constitutionally independent states. And there you could watch another fun: young future diplomats release works on protecting American Constitution and proving that separatist movement is not welcome in the US.

   Besides, do you still find that decimal shortage of the Russian military expenditures in 90s was foolish?

   I would just resume this, looks like things go not so bad as reported from some untrusted sources, No2Liberals. Better come to Baikal, let’s drink vodka in taiga, if you’re healthy enough (if yet not, don’t drink). Better in Summer.

   Oh, if you are interested, you may find the latest sayings of Vladimir Zhirinovskiy, head of Russian Liberal-Democratic party. (He owns all partisan property himself). Zhirinovskiy criticises the govt for implementing crisis thinking when “there is really no any crisis”. He suggests to put the Russian Ministry of finances under more strong control, joining two major financial controllers – The Counting Chamber and Financial Intelligence, accomplishing with the removal of department of inner security of Minfin. Not available in the english-speaking net yet.

   73
9. 

   Sober Russian says:

   2/7/2009 at 1:26 pm

   Hey No2Liberals, you didn’t say where Berlin, mate. The community wants you back dude!

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     No2Liberals says:

     2/7/2009 at 2:18 pm

     When your country and it’s citizens support the rule of law, and not the rule of the KGB/FSB assholes, and embraces democratic principles, then I might consider visiting your country.
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    Sober Russian says:

    2/7/2009 at 2:29 pm

    No2Liberals, your constant attention to assholes is scaring me somehow (-:

    You may consider visiting Siberia, though the area assholes are reported to smell less noticeable than those of the US.

    73

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      No2Liberals says:

      2/7/2009 at 2:53 pm

      You should be scared of the KGB/FSB assholes, unless you are one of them, or a neo-soviet. Then you have nothing to worry about, certainly not the law.

      If all you intend to do is spout off neo-soviet nonsense, instead of a meaningful contribution, I will gladly start deleting your comments.
      Let me know.
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    Sober Russian says:

    2/8/2009 at 12:23 am

    Ok, I don’t care what kind of movies you watch about KGB/FSB/your own service/agency. Though this is the matter which you raise again and again. Dunno’ why and for what.

    How turned so that any Russian who speaks that the country is doing well is an agent of KGB/FSB. It sounds very offensive for Russian ear. 99 percent of people I know saw an agent only in films, too.

    Somehow a twisted perception of things you never seen but was told by ones who must have done much good to you personally if you believe it with all young passion. Not too god for a free mind.

    Go on with your deletionist policy as you are the only commenter of the page. I copied the topic, will raise a wave in ru zone, let some people comment my words. Oh, again they will be from FSB… what a silly bullshit!

    And, what do you mean “meaningful contribution”? Saying “Oh great America, please save us from”… err… what?

    Non-productive. Offensive. Is that’s what you wanted here?

    Though, it’s quite of a human gene code corrupted by something taken too close… war, maybe… or bullying throughout the school/army service.

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      No2Liberals says:

      2/8/2009 at 1:03 am

      I posted this for general information.
      Not for some foolish neo-soviet Putin bootlicker to come here and try to give a distorted image of what is really going in the Russian Federation.
      Thanks for the heads-up, that you will forward this to others like you.\

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