In 1994, David Martinez used a baseball bat to beat to death his 37-year old girlfriend, Carolina Prado and her 14-year old son Erik inside their San Antonio home.
Martinez apparently isn’t completely soul-less, because he did not harm Carolina’s 10-year old daughter…though he did tie her up and threaten her at knife point. This after the 10-year old child was forced to watch as Martinez beat her brother to death with a baseball bat.
On Wednesday, February 4, he will be put to death by the State of Texas for those crimes.
From the Attorney General’s office:
During the summer of 1994, Martinez began living with Carolina Prado and her two children, Erik and Belinda, 10, at Carolina’s home in San Antonio.
On July 10, 1994, Carolina, Erik, and Belinda went to sleep that night, with Carolina in the bedroom she shared with Martinez, Belinda on the couch in the living room and Erik on a mattress in the living room.
Several hours later, Martinez came home. Belinda was later awakened by the sound of a bat hitting something. She opened her eyes and saw Martinez standing over Erik, striking him in the head with a baseball bat. She watched as Martinez struck Erik five or six times. Belinda told Martinez to “behave,” and Martinez told her to “be quiet” or he would “kill [her] too.”
When Belinda asked where her mother was, Martinez said she was in the shower. After Belinda did not find her mother in the shower, Martinez led Belinda, at knife point, into Erik’s bedroom where he tied her up. Martinez then dressed himself and gave Belinda a note which read, “I messed up. I’ll be at the friends on the east side.” After Martinez left the house, Belinda waited a few minutes before walking to her grandmother’s house.
He Should Have Still Been in Prison
Like many of the other animals on Death Row, Martinez had a prior prison record for sexual assault. And like the many of them, he was paroled early and killed again while he was supposed to be in prison on the first conviction.
Once again, Texas’ revolving door justice system fails the people of Texas again.
Requested to be Executed
Martinez confessed to the crimes. There was an eye-witness who testified against him. Forensic evidence tied him directly to the crime. On top of that, in his written confession, he requested the death penalty:
I feel for the actions I took, I’m requesting the only just sentence for me is the death penalty. I took the life of someone who I cared about a lot. I feel that I can never bring her back. Please give me the death penalty for mine and everybody else’s sake. I’ll never forget Carol. The pain dwells within my heart forever. Carol, wherever you are, please forgive me. I do love you.
And yet, 14 years after being found guilty and sentenced to death…he is still alive.
I am continually blown away by the inefficany of our justice system when it comes to metting out justice. 15 years. On the tax payers’ dime. When he should have been taken behind the courthouse at the end of his trial and shot in the head.
Some people are so vile, so evil, and so bad…that the world is a better place once they are gone. David Martinez is one such person.
I hope the Prado and Ramirez families find some closure and peace on Wednesday when final justice is delivered to this animal.
I understand your comments regarding David Martinez but you can be consoled in the knowledge that the death penalty still means something in your state. I can appreciate that while it may be a long road to the needle for these scumbags you do still have a chance to get them strapped to a gurney if they are convicted in Texas.
Unfortunately I live in the Semi-Free State of California where the death penalty is a cruel joke for the families of the victims. Why a joke? Because in the last 30 years we have only managed to execute 13 killers here in California while during that same time frame we had a few others die on death row:
35 died by natural causes
13 committed suicide
5 died from “other” causes
So the basic math says that California only executed 20% of the people who have died on our death row in the past 30 years. Not a terribly efficient system. Although those other 53 convicted killers are dead so you could say the process is working, sort of.
California has averaged 2,300 murders per year for the past 10 years and we currently have over 660 inmates on death row. Armed with the statistics from the FBI crime reports I frequently send my comments to Governor Schwarzenegger regarding our death penalty system but he has yet to write back.
Take comfort in the knowledge that eventually Texas will get them on a gurney. I applaud the efforts of Texas and hope you “close the book” on the three you have scheduled for the month of February.
I wonder how many people were murdered by those 660 on California’s death row ? No one cares about that
That type of data, (number of victims) would be hard to come by but I did find that of those murderers California managed to execute over the past 30 years there were a total of 44 victims; 16 of which were between 11 and 18 years old. By that reckoning our current death row population of 667 plus the 53 that have died waiting to be executed during the past 30 years could potentially have accounted for well over 2,200 victims in total.
Naturally this body count is only for those actually on death row and does not account for the hundreds of other killers that are serving lesser sentences.
It should be noted that since the murder rates per 100,000 of population are fairly consistent between California and Texas, 6.5 and 6.2 respectively it would appear that the Texas death penalty is of little deterrence in curbing the murder rate. Fortunately I don’t care and freely admit my motivation for advocating the needle is strictly driven by revenge and a sense of justice for the victims and their families.
Keep up the good work Texas….
[He] requested the death penalty….
But, he didn’t ask to waive his appeals. The state has an interest in fair trials so state appeals are mandatory. But, federal appeals are not. He could have waived his federal appeals six years ago. So, I would take his expression of remorse as just b.s.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487048,00.html
why does this scum get to live?
Artruen, the DA’s office decided they couldn’t prove she was a continuing threat, so they didn’t pursue the DP.
I hope she dies screaming…whenever that is.
You guys are amazing. After scores of cases where men on death row have been vindicated and the facts clear that they were convicted as a result of prosecutorial misconduct, only a moron would say that a convicted murderer should be taken “out behind the courthouse at the end of his trial and shot in the head.”
But then only a simple-minded person would refer to all of the thousands on death row as “scum” and “animals,” or would feel the need to assert his moral superiority (or tough guy status?) by advocating widespread executions.
You may be losers in life but at least you’re not on death row. Hey, you’ve got something special to celebrate tonight!
Yep!
Maybe one day, when you are all grown up, remove all your filters, and blinders, you will be too.
Jim, I understand your comments and yes I have seen some death row inmates freed by DNA evidence and the like, not sure there have been “scores” as you reference but there have been some. That is what a lengthy appeal process is for.
I think the point we are trying to make here is, when all appeals have run their course and the families of the victims have waited for sometimes decades to see justice done, get those jokers strapped to a gurney and punch their one way express ticket to hell.
It’s one of the unfortunate consequences, (our jaded view of death row scum) of our criminal justice system which is so slanted toward the criminal and not toward the victims or their survivors that it is difficult to keep emotion out of the conversation. I fear that in some cases the criminal is so vile, the crime is so egregious that “taking them behind the courthouse” as you put it and putting one in their ear is an idea that has some merit.
There is no “moral superiority or tough guy” asseverations here just a group of like minded people who want to see the laws they voted for, (specifically the death penalty) enforced. If that means a revolving gurney and wholesale executions then that is what we want; sorry if that upsets you.
Jim you seem to have a profound sense of fair play and justice and are genuinely concerned for these “upstanding death row citizens”. I submit that you have never had a loved one taken from you by senseless violence, stood over the grave of someone you cared for and watched them lowered into the ground while some scum is given free representation and lives off your tax dollars for the next 10-15 years. Perhaps you even witnessed this crime and knew the irrefutable guilt of the perpetrator.
If you are truly a crusader place yourself into this scenario for a moment. Tell us truthfully that if something terrible like this were to happen to you; and you were placed in a room with the murderer cuffed to a chair, just the two of you and your Easton softball bat and you were operating without fear of any legal consequences you would not use that bat, you would put the bat down and walk out. Unfortunately I have some experience in that arena and can say without hesitation that I’d be swinging that bat.
Fortunately for us Mr. David Martinez will never again take a life and if there is any justice after death he is currently perched on a red hot poker in the seventh concentric circle of hell for all eternity….
Regards….
Re/ no2liberals
You are a very misinformed and misguided person-And to totally ignore the facts in some cases,And just abuse people is disgusting.With reference to an earlier post about foreign nationals RicardoGueera 1977- Ricardo Marinder 1976-cuba-Factually aquitted from death row on grounds of innocence. Reference to Troy Davis was also made-Currently under review of the appeals court 11th circuit,On the grounds of false witness statments and clear Dna evidence pointing to the guilt of another,Who has actully confessed. Since 1976 their has been 131 exonerations in the us,where they were even pardoned,aquitted or where it was proved the police lied to get a conviction.Ask yourself why Nabraska, Colorado, New Mexico, Montana,New Hampshire and Kansas,Have recently all introduced legislation to abolish the Death Penalty,Several reasons, Cost,Executions of the innocent. You appear a very bitter person,For whatever reasonAnd it is you who is blind and blinkered to the truth.
So face the facts,Rather then vent your anger,By your Blinkered opinions-Who knows you or a member might find themselfs in such a position-Bet your views will not be blinkered then
Paul, John, elo, whatever name you chose to use, I don’t obsess over this issue as you do.
You live in a country that doesn’t ask it’s citizens if they want the death penalty, it is decided for you by the alleged ruling elite. We don’t operate that way. If the people in those states wish to abolish the DP, then that’s their choice. We in Texas do not, and if you ever bothered to look to see how high the bar is for sentencing someone to capital punishment here, it is often amazing that anyone ever gets the sentence.
To listen to some wanker that doesn’t even live here tell us how badly our system is, is as useful as tits on a boar.
As for the exonerations, that is a tribute to how the system works, not an indictment against it. When evidence is tampered with, witnesses lie, or procedural errors are made, there is ample opportunity to sort those things out. You are citing some very old cases, anything more recent in your treasure trove of nonsense? I know anonymous has asked this question often, but exactly how many people have been proved by a court of law to have been wrongfully put to death? I know it’s none…zero…zip…nada, but you can spout off on that matter all you wish.
Coming from you, I can understand how your distorted view might come to that conclusion.
I have, but you refuse to.
I review each case individually, when I take an interest in it, and for the purposes of this murderer, Martinez, I review all the relevant documents, to include the various writs, reviews, and appeals. There were no errors at any level, and the state judicial system worked flawlessly, as it has now on eight executions so far this year.
I have a law enforcement background, and my feelings about trash like Martinez, or any of the others you and anonymous have discussed, is based on seeing first hand what they do to innocent people, and looking directly into their evil eyes. That some lying pissoir from the UK wishes to involve himself in our affairs is angering, especially when they are idiots that claim liable on someone they argued with on the web.
You should look to the inadequacies of your own failed judicial system, one that would imprison a decent citizen like Tony Martin, who should have been praised for defending himself and his property against criminals, before you direct your gaze anywhere else.
The citizens of the UK are the last people I will listen to when we need advice on how to manage our legal system.
There have been possibly 20-25 actually innocent people sentenced to death since 1973, or 0.3% of those sentenced. All been released upon post conviction review. Six inmates have been released from death row because of DNA evidence. An additional nine were released from prison, because of DNA exclusion, who had previously been sentenced to death.
Actual innocence is not a requirement to be added to the bogus DPIC list of “exonerated” or to be declared “innocent.” You whackjobs just make up your own definitions for innocent and exonerated in order to inflate the numbers. IOW, you’re liars. There is no proof of an innocent person being executed in the US since at least 1900. With DNA we now can predict a 99.8% accuracy rate in actual guilt in convictions. This does not include the additional and numerous safeguards we continually add to the system.
The cost of execution of the innocent is zero. The cost to innocent life by not imposing the death penalty, much higher. But, idiots like you do not care when a person who should have been put to death murders another prisoner, murders a correctional officer, murders a prison employee, murders a nurse or doctor, escapes and murders outside the prison, or has others murder for him on the outside, i.e., witnesses, judges, prosecutors, etc.
As far as who is angry or not: You are the one who comes here and acts like an arrogant and ignorant little fool and when you get your ass kicked lie your teeth off.
Read it and weep:
According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented. The effect is most pronounced, according to some studies, in Texas and other states that execute condemned inmates relatively often and relatively quickly.
p.s.: Troy Davis is guilty and will be executed.
International Death Penalty Poll
I can’t find the article but it was in the NYT. It said the reason the dp was abolished in Germany because of public pressure due to too many Nazi war criminals being executed. So, they went from the dp to a slap on the wrist for someone who murdered over a million jews.
I seem to remember reading something along those lines, also. Don’t remember what the source was.
Not surprising. Reconstruction is often as unsettling as war. I think of Texas after the War of Northern Aggression, as a prime example.
On an up note, the habeas corpus hearings went very well for the Baugh family and very bad for Henderson. No way could the baby have sustain those injuries the way she said it happened.
I am back-The alleged sop from the uk-I am first to agree with you,With reference to Tony Martin-And that most in the uk want the Death pen back,But with safeguards.
Granted it was abolished in the 60″s after to infamous cases were the innocent were executed.But it just goes to show that no country can have 100 percent safgurds in place,Only in the last two years a man who was convicted of a crime of a television celebrity-Would have been executed if we had the death pen-But guess what he appealed his conviction and is a free man-Yes the safegurds may be high-That does not mean that even 1 or 2 the system will not fail.
All i am saying is one innocent person executed is 1 to many.
You agree with the cases that were mentioned ealyier as being several years ago and none in more recent times.I Would hope that one of the things that you rely on greatly for conviction is DNA.
Michael Blair 2008(14 on death row)Innocent from DNA Kenedy Brewer 2007(13years on death row) Innocent from DNA.
You made a point before about the waste of tax payers money-Those 2 are prime example of showing flaws in the system.
Those 2 were proved innocent,Wasted years of their life in prison,The people of America funded their inprisonment through your taxes-And those men are free.
I agree that you have a better understanding on certain issues-I was just trying to prove a point,That money is wasted and some people are wronly convicted, And that the system still has flaws.
It is not relevent weather the uk system is an ass-We know it is,But weather its an ass or not,Still showing even minor flaws,But they last for years and cost you the tax payer money.
You agree with the cases that were mentioned ealyier as being several years ago and none in more recent times.
Another one of your incoherent, gibberish sentences.
I Would hope that one of the things that you rely on greatly for conviction is DNA.
Your hope is misplaced. We weigh all the evidence when determining guilt. DNA evidence is not a requirement. Even when there is dna evidence, the defense attys still claim their clients are wrongfully convicted. See Roger Coleman.
Michael Blair 2008(14 on death row)Innocent from DNA Kenedy Brewer 2007(13years on death row) Innocent from DNA.
Neither were executed, you idiot. The system works.
You made a point before about the waste of tax payers money-
His point was that it was a waste of money in keeping Martinez alive when there was no doubt that he murdered those two people and he asked for the death penalty and to be executed.
Wasted years of their life in prison,The people of America funded their inprisonment through your taxes-And those men are free.
Michael Blair confessed to multiple rapes of little girls in exchange for 3 consecutive life sentences. The only thing he missed out on was the opportunity to rack up more victims. Brewer was the person home alone with the little girl when she was allegedly kidnapped and brutally raped. It might not have been his dna but he was sure as hell responsible one way or another for what happened to her.
And how arrogant do you have to be to lecture us on how we should spend our money? As been pointed out to you already, the death penalty has wide support in this country. It would have even greater support if people weren’t lied to about it all the time.
Seriously, aren’t you tired of making an ass out of yourself?
I am not saying that the Death pen does not have widespread support,I have never disputed that.But to say because the accused was not executed,Then the system works,Well all the money wasted and a man in prison for 13 years of his life is proof the system works is it-So why does it matter so much the points i raised are from a none American-If the fact is made,It should not matter the origin of who made it.
Yes his reference might of been in relation to David Martinez,But surly the reference should have been general rather than on 1 case.
so its ok to waste money on one case-But not another.
That general point was raised in an earlier post by somone else,They reply he/she got was of an understanding of time/money being wasted,But they got a positive responce.
I make the same point-And i am making an ass of myself apparently-Whatever happened to contructive views,or correcting somone,Rather than slating somone,For an construtive view,Because they are none American.
So reguardless if its David Martinez or another 13years in prison for a crime they did not commit-Is proof the system works?
I am not saying that the Death pen does not have widespread support,I have never disputed that.But to say because the accused was not executed,Then the system works,Well all the money wasted and a man in prison for 13 years of his life is proof the system works is it-So why does it matter so much the points i raised are from a none American-If the fact is made,It should not matter the origin of who made it.
Dumbass: The case is not completed until all the appeals are finished. The system works. And again, Blair is in prison for life and Brewer is no innocent. Your opinion is irrelevant because it is not your money. Get it? And your opinion is not fact. Another example, of many, of your arrogance.
Yes his reference might of been in relation to David Martinez, But surly the reference should have been general rather than on 1 case.
No.
so its ok to waste money on one case-But not another.
No one but you is arguing that the prosecution of death penalty cases is a waste. Again, your opinion is not fact nor is it relevant.
That general point was raised in an earlier post by somone else,They reply he/she got was of an understanding of time/money being wasted,But they got a positive responce.
I do no respond to incoherent gibberish. Either take the time to post a coherent sentence or don’t post.
I make the same point-And i am making an ass of myself apparently-Whatever happened to contructive views,or correcting somone,Rather than slating somone,For an construtive view,Because they are none American.
You are making an ass of yourself because you are always ignorant of the facts of the cases and do not know the law, make false comparisons, and arrogantly tell us how we must allocate our own tax money. Your views aren’t constructive — they are trolling.
So reguardless if its David Martinez or another 13years in prison for a crime they did not commit-Is proof the system works?
Another incoherent sentence. Aren’t you embarrassed? Why are so many people from the UK unable to communicate effectively in their native language? I suggest you spend less time trolling the internet and instead take a class to improve your communication skills.
Lol
And why are you so arrogant?Lol so having bad Grammer is a must on this site is it-or you will be Belittled.
Think if you actully read the posts,You will find you are the dumb ass.Who raised the point about Tony Martin was it me-No-I wonder who it was,But when i reply to the post about Him i get lambasted for it.
You are missing the point,Why if a Brit, Even if they have bad Grammer make a point-Its shot down,But an American who makes the same point as i did,Gets dam praise-So why not answer the question-You given preference treatment on here because of a persons origin.
And just to show how biased your site actully is-I have a friend who lives in Texas-His views are,He has no real opionions of the Death pen,He just states what ever the state decides as the law,He excepts that.I asked him to come view this site for his unbiased view-Based as he is an American-Has the vote and has no views either way other than to obide and respect the laws that are made-His view “I only read a handful of posts-That was enough-And ashamed to be an American. And you say “Have i not had enough making as ass out of myself”-Well when i see you Making a bigger ass of yourself,And if a person does not share your view,Or they are None American-Or not perfect in their Grammer-You abuse them.
And you say you come from a democratic soceity,And are not predjudice-Well if thats what you call democratic,Then i sure am I not American,You even have one of your own fellow Americans,Not being proud after viewing this site.
And I am the Ass-Dont make me laugh-
Lol And why are you so arrogant?
I’m not.
Lol so having bad Grammer is a must on this site is it-or you will be Belittled.
No, but being able to communicate in English is must. You are being belittled for expecting people to waste time trying to figure out what you are trying to say.
Think if you actully read the posts,You will find you are the dumb ass.Who raised the point about Tony Martin was it me-No-I wonder who it was,But when i reply to the post about Him i get lambasted for it.
See above.
You are missing the point,Why if a Brit, Even if they have bad Grammer make a point-Its shot down,But an American who makes the same point as i did,Gets dam praise-So why not answer the question-You given preference treatment on here because of a persons origin.
You make no points. You keep arguing that your opinion is fact. It is not. You argue that your opinion deserves equal respect. It does not.
And just to show how biased your site actully is-I have a friend who lives in Texas-His views are,He has no real opionions of the Death pen,He just states what ever the state decides as the law,He excepts that.I asked him to come view this site for his unbiased view-Based as he is an American-Has the vote and has no views either way other than to obide and respect the laws that are made-His view “I only read a handful of posts-That was enough-And ashamed to be an American. And you say “Have i not had enough making as ass out of myself”-Well when i see you Making a bigger ass of yourself,And if a person does not share your view,Or they are None American-Or not perfect in their Grammer-You abuse them.
And you say you come from a democratic soceity,And are not predjudice-Well if thats what you call democratic,Then i sure am I not American,You even have one of your own fellow Americans,Not being proud after viewing this site.
And I am the Ass-Dont make me laugh-
Dumbass: One, no American is going to state they are ashamed to be an American by reading a couple of posts here. Two, considering the number of lies you’ve been caught posting, no one is so dumb as to believe you. Three, we live in a republic. Four, this blog is privately owned – not by the state. Five, you suffer from the false belief that all opinions are equal. They are not. Six, it’s not a matter of not having perfect grammar. It’s you being barely coherent in your thoughts and in the way you communicate. You waste people’s time.
Lol
I waste people”s time do I- And my points are not valid-Because of the time it takes to read my posts-What total Garbage(Predudice springs to mind).I have no right airing a view,Because of my Origin,And because my own country has its own problems,(Predudice springs to mind) An American airs a view and is excepted and politly replied to and corrected where needed,I make the exact same point and i am lambasted for doing so(Predudice springs to mind),An American has an opionion about your site,But because he has not spend 756 hours on reading it he cannot form an opinio,based on what he has seen(Predudice springs to mind).
Whoever does not agree with your sentiments-Are Belittled(Predudice springs to mind).
The host has ammended or deleted posts that does not share his personal view(Predudice springs to mind) I can go on,So you are a republic,But still are democratic country-Well when it suits you.
So you are a Private run Site and not a State run Site-Think i know why you made that reference-But lets not presume shall we.
You may think that you can do and say what you like on a private run site and be allowed to do so-Without any action being taken against you-Well if you think you can your are very wrong indeed-And thats one fact I do Know.
You have openly posted on here,And I have recieved personal emails-That clearly show how Predudice you trully are.
So do you fancy a bet-To see if i get this site closed down,Or you going to reply to my posts in the same manner as the rest
Your points are not valid for the reasons I’ve stated – more than once, they are not valid. Apparently, you cannot comprehend English, either.
I think you are a liar because you are a liar. You’ve been caught in numerous lies from your first post onward. So, take your “American friend” lie and shove it up your ass.
And, no, dumbass, you can not get this site shut down.
Well i see my last post didnt make it-I will not rewrite it,Save any further of you rants. Firstly i was really happy to read the about me section-You are more arrogant,Big Headed,And Predudice than i first gave you credit for-So sorry for underestimating what a true lowlife you truly are.In my post that for whatever reason never appeared(MMMM)Who could have deleted it i wonder? Any suggestions.
You appear very deluded or misguided,But i will not single you out-Many are not aware of the codes,Surrounding personal,Yes Personal-not state run sites.
I have your ISP traced it-And that of your biggoted side kicks.I have Sent a brief email explaining the situation-And a copy of 1 of the personal emails i had recieved,I recieved the code of practise,With relation to personal websites.Probably unbeknown to you-An international-Yes and thats means inclusive of America-Have ethics and codes in place.
I will not tell you who they are-I will let you find them.
But thought i might quote a few lines for you-I think also they will find the about me section i have printed very interesting to read.
Unless you know who you are actully looking for-You will not know who they are-Thats the nature,So here is a brief outline,I will not copy n paste,Much more fun Writing it.
And this covers all personal sites-Yes that includes yours.
” You agree through your use Hosting a personal website-That you will not post any material which is false,Defamatory,Inaccurate,Abusive,Vulgar,Hatful,Obscene,Profane,sexuallyoriented,Invasive,or any other violation that contravines internet laws. Legal action can be taken against you,You also agree not to post any copyrighted material,unless you are the owner, or have written permission.
Please note we do not activly monitor personal sites and thus is not possible to varify daily posts each and every day.
Anyone who feels that a posted message,On personal grounds on any of the named above is encouraged to notify the administrator of the site,If your compliant is against the site itself and the register/Host-You are asked to notify us with the grounds of the complaint.
On viewing the content of the compliant we withold the right to monitor, And remove objectional sites,And additional action dependant on the severity of the breach.
The host remains sole solely responsible for the contents of the messages He/She permits.
If we feel you have breech international laws we reserve the right to reveal your idenity or any information we find out about you in our inverstigation, And pass it on to third parties who my get benefit from the informtion to help/prevent another website being made.
If the information gained from our investigation is deamed severe enough,We have the capacity to seek criminal conviction.
So Mr self admitting-I dscriminate against everone.
The question is-Do you want this site to remain-Its up to you
Paul — what the hell are you rambling inanely about this time?
It sort of sounds like you are threatening some kind of legal action or complaint with my host provider because of my gratuitous use of the first amendment. Now, I understand that free speech has become pretty much a myth in the UK, but I assure you mate that it is alive and well here. And that includes vulgarity (how else do you think the Huffington Post, Daily Kos, and Feministing are still up and running?) and insults.
For example, I don’t have to prove that you’re a moron in order to call you a moron. I can just do it. (I just did, in case you didn’t pick that up, Mensa).
While Geert Wilders can’t get into Britain for criticizing Islam, I assure you — I’m free to make fun of and disparage the goat-raping prophet Muhammad and his dealt-cult Religion of Blowing Shit Up and cutting off people’s heads.
Oh, and I haven’t deleted any posts or comments by you. Not my style as evidenced by tons of idiotic posts (oddly enough, mostly emanating from European countries) I allow on here.
I assure you, I’m well versed in my first amendment rights and the definition of libel, so bring it on bitch.
In the meantime, your little threats filled with your child-like understanding of legalese will be filed in the appropriate trash bin.
Now go fuck yourself you illiterate and delusion tool.
Your meds need adjusting. See your doctor asap. Oh, wait…you can’t!
So i made it up did I ? I notice your side kicks are not as quick replying as they have been other days. Oh and Mr Big and mighty cannot appear to mellow,What would it do to his cred.
So your sheer hatred of anyone that does not share your views-It shows how deluded or racist you are-You have years of shit in the last 10years and because Obama does not right stuff in a few weeks he has failed your not racist are you? well you coundnt be not enough room left on the paper to list all your hates is their.
Your so right-Every man needs a slapping from time to time,Come the UK, Il make sure you get one you will never forget.
So Mr high And Mighty,Or is the God?
Does not matter if I am on Meds (your words) Medicines,Or was that to long a word for you lol,Your Grammer is getting worse-Mybe it is contagious.
Ok enjoy your site, While you can-It does cover International,Federal,And civil laws-But you are not law obiding are you? You did mellow the other day-Granted only slightly,I am sure that just was not a blimp,Andyou are really a big softie at heart really.
Wow-Totally amazing news just in-A Post has been summited prior to this one-And Mr ANONYMOUS has not mentioned bad grammer,(We feel he mybe a little unwell) LOL
Big storm. Power went out. Can’t drain the battery responding to delusional losers like you.
Why should I when I have a wife to do that for me.
So if I am from Europe-Your Ideals are I am not qualifyed to have views on US Affairs-And are quick to point that out-You have done your fair share on sharing your views on Europe,So does that not make you not qualifyed either,Or is it one rule for you and one for me.
Yes i get your point That you can call a person whatever name you wish and dont have to prove it-Sounds good in principal,So where yours is just simply name calling,Because you dont have to prove it
I have slighly higher morals I prefere to use facts so If i call somone as Ass,It is because they warrent it.And no it was not ment as an idle threat-To be honest the last post is the most polite i have recived-Still name calling,But polite,Mybe my words that you might indeed be a big soft teddie on the inside,Mellowed you slighly.
That is all I have been asking-So My Grammer is not great-I know that-I write a post and get hammered for it-Put me and others straight by almeans-I dont have a problem with that-But were i raise a valid question-I get hammered-I nor you know every detail of every execution to take place-Although from Europe i may know more on some than others.And if it was 1978,0r 2008 their will be cases you are more versed than me,Because I am from Europe does give me the right to air my views,As you say freedom of speech-Just as you do If you posted a view on any other site.
The First case i read about was Gary Gilmore 1977 utah,And have been interested ever since,I go on many forums but have not been lambasted on any other.I am a strong enough person to except when i am wrong and big enough to admit it-But were i believe i am write I am stubborn-I found this site by chance-Thought it was a good site to express both sides of the argument-But to use a phrase for example “you are a lier because i think you are”. Like i have said if I am wrong on anything I am big enough to admit I am wrong-But to make it personal,And Belittle a person because of their poor education,Surly logically you can see the point i am making.
My very first post on this site supported Martinez execution-But that was never mentioned.
You are a very inteligent man,And Iwould have thought using your inteligence rather than a personal vendetta-On the grounds you mentioned.
I am not a sterotypical Brit Thank God,And I am not proud to be one,Does not mean I cannot have view/opinions on other nations,I have friends in the us/canada,France,Italy,Who tell me whats going on-So if i am hearing from a Canadian on a canadian issue,Then I have grounds to comment,Does not mean I am right or wrong in the view I post on whatever subject.
It Was not an idle threat,I do have the Grounds to get this site atlest monitored,Purly based on the personal crap i was met with-Despite my first post that supported martinez “s Execution-I have been lambasted ever since.
So what it comes down to is-I supported the execution of Martinez And my views are excepted(Despite being from Europe)And Raise a question on another Death row Inmate and wow,Being from Europe now is not valid to air a view.
Iam off for a few Buds,Yeah American beer-Am i qualifiyed to say If it tastes good or not,Because I am drinking it in Europe
Liar. The first thing out of you mouth was to accuse us of deliberately executing people we knew who were innocent. And, no, you don’t know shit. And you continue to have illusions of grandeur if you think you have the power to have this site monitored.
Lier-I think the word needs to be redefined in any Dictonary-As somthing Mr ANONYMOUS Does not agree with.But lets see If you are big enough to own up to being a Lier yourself.When I made reference to Bliar,Who was exonerated from the Crime-That he was sentenced to death for-I clearly pointed out that that charge was Dismissed Because o DNA.
Your reply IMPLIED that he was infact not completly exonerated because he was commuted and serving life behind bars-Yes you are right he is serving life-But for different crimes,So the fact remains weather you like it or not is that Blair was exonerated for the crime where he was sentenced to death-But yours was not a lie was it)It was an interpretation.
So what it comes down to is you are allowed to lie to suit your own views,And your nterpretation of anyone else who post somthing that you dont agree with as a lie.
I have posed you a question twice-But you have failed to reply to it.
when you were born-The nurse should have advised your Mother to slap you at both ends-To see what end you cried from-I admit it is confusing even now all these years later-Because of the shit you talk.
Never admits if he is wrong,Never lies,Excepts a view from one person,But another makes the same view and is shot down.
You appear to have strange ideals-That a person in prison for a crime he did not commit-Is proof the system works,Because he was not executed-Yet another post made this view and was not lambasted.
You pick and choose,Who to belittle,Despite no difference between the posts-You Even slag of your own countrymen,Because He does not share your view.
But if you are truthfully telling me that you know this site is Biased-Then you are not being truthful to yourself-And thats the biggest lie their can ever be.
If you admit that it is biased-I will respect the truth-But that just proves what i and others have said all along.
I appear to have illustions of grandeur if I think i have the power to have this site monitored-No I personally dont have the power,But their are Inernational codes of practise for personal and state run sites-The codes do Differ,The Global body was set up in 2003 to protect the integrity of the internet,They do not just cover websites but the whole specrum of Internet usage.
When they were first set up a few countrys Didnt sign up for it (America being one) One wonders why-It was first set up to monitor Chat room sites-And closed many down-They were also the ones who got nannywatch etc on many sites-And that aspect of their work has grown,Due to the many dangers surrounding children around the world being groomed.
By 2006 it had grown where all major countrys of the world inclusive of the us-Signed up,Reason because of the global risk of terrorisum,Because much of the contacts were made over the internet and many a computer seized contained damming evidence, Of the potential internet use had.
I can assure you,That is 2006, 158 Uk personal sites were monitored out of thosed 149 were shut, 121 eneded up in convictions, A much bigger number in the rest of Europe.2007 46 uk sites,134 canadian sites-And most interesting of them all 237 American biased personal sites-All for various reasons-Those inclusive of Inciting terror activitys,The promotion of crimes against Children,Those inciting racisum or many other forms of discrimation-Where the actions of the sites where deammed to be of potential risk of——————— I will let you see if you can guess the missing word.
So if You feel that i suffer from illusions of grandeur-Carry on thinking that way.
Like i have said-It is not easy to do-Because so many users of webpages worldwide,New ones being created everyday,It is impossible to monitor all sites-I did express that to you yesterday-But it can be done by myself or anyone else inclusive of you.
So your site is not excempt should i warrent further action.
And all I ever asked for was to be allowed to offer view,Corrected with proof and to be contructive-Was that to much to ask? rather than being corrected,With proof,I got slated because of grammer,origin and that i did not share your views.
So i might be an Ass in your eyes-But I have better standards,Principles,Morals in my little finger than you will ever have.
Your reply IMPLIED that he was infact not completly exonerated because he was commuted and serving life behind bars-Yes you are right he is serving life-But for different crimes,So the fact remains weather you like it or not is that Blair was exonerated for the crime where he was sentenced to death-But yours was not a lie was it)It was an interpretation.
Now you’re lying about lying. Anyone can scroll up and see what was said, you fool:
YOU: Michael Blair 2008(14 on death row)Innocent from DNA Kenedy Brewer 2007(13years on death row) Innocent from DNA.
ME: Neither were executed, you idiot. The system works.
YOU: Wasted years of their life in prison,The people of America funded their inprisonment through your taxes-And those men are free.
ME: Michael Blair confessed to multiple rapes of little girls in exchange for 3 consecutive life sentences. The only thing he missed out on was the opportunity to rack up more victims.
You are the one that lied. Blair is not free, the time was not wasted, and I neither said nor implied that his sentence was commuted because his sentence was not commuted, you fool. You don’t even know what you are yapping about.
I’m skipping the rest of your gibberish and lies because I have better things to do then debate the mentally ill.
How the hell anyone can say that any person,Put wrongfully inprison for any length of time is proof the system works-Does not matter what the crime was or indeed the punishment-The system failed the wrongly inprisoned person,Blair is rightfully Impisoned for the crime he commited-Neither did I implie that he was free,I just pointed out The offence in question-The case was Dismissed-And should rot in hell-And I have not once suggested he should not have been executed-In my eyes-Should be no plea bargins anywhere in the world-Your guilty you die-And that is were i agree with you and your sentiments.
The two parts of where the system fails is first the time it takes the appeals process to run its course-When they system knows the guilt of the person,And years for the execution to take place,Because The families need closure. And it does not matter who or where from the point is made-Its a valid one that i make.
[Robbie --- since the death penalty was re-legalized in the United States not one --- let me emphasis this again because it's real important here: NOT A SINGLE ONE of the men or women who were executed have ever been exonerated for their crimes or proved in a court of law to be innocent of the crimes for which they were executed. Any claim that a single executed person was later found innocent by a court of law should be backed up with the relevant link to the court's decision.
Thus, our lengthy appeals process DP cases works perfectly.]
So i did wrong for using Blair as an example-In any country nobodys system is 100 percent perfect-Might be 98 or 99- But even if one or two percent are being failed,Then tweaks need to be made.
Since the reintroduction of The Death pen in 1976-Their have been 1,049 Executions to -the present day-And up until 2007 over 3,500 on Death Row.You stated than many cause delays in their executions,By launching petty appeals to further their life,In many cases that is correct-But not the main reason, Stephen Breyer,A well respected Judge throughout the entire judicial system-He was personally asked for his thoughts-On the long drawn out system- Quote “Long delays experienced by the inmates were largly not due to the frivolous appeals-But rather of constitutionally defective procedures-And has as late as August last year-Re -afirmed that fact.
So if I am quoting probably the most respected Judge in the land-And he confirms what I have been saying-Then surly my points are valid.
[Robbie --- I haven't found a single thing you've said to valid. Our DP process does work in regards to ensuring innocent men and women are not executed. Are there some flaws in the efficiency of carrying out DP sentencing? But that's no reason to abandon the process.]
I did raise a question that you were appearing to mellow-But it was short lived-But I have noticed again the signs appearing -Still got a nasty side,But suttle hints of really having a softer side Lol
If you carry on mellowing at this rate-You will not need to come to the Uk for the wipping you said keeps a person on their toes-Dont mellow to much-Just keep a balance-Because currently you are only 5 percent mellow-That still warrents a Wipping.
[Robbie --- You're an insane person. And for a person concerned about the international governing body monitoring my site, you're a damned fool for making not to thinly-veiled threats of violence on this board. Don't worry. I won't turn you in, as your just another in a long, long line of internet tough guy posers.]
The very same Respected Judge also concluded in 2006,At a conference he was asked to Chair Since Capital punishment was introduced into the US And also since its re-Introduction in 76-I find it hard to comprehend That the system has failed a small proportion of them-But without looking into every individual case-I would not happily put a figure on it-But as a conservative Estimate I would say around 200,But as I cannot possibly look into every case,The number might be lesser or greater.So if I am this DumbAss for having these views,Is one of the most respected Judges in the U S one as well.
So If you Add up those executed-Those on Death Row-Its a whopping ammount,So the figure he states is minute-But never the less relevent.
As for my so called Gibberish,I did say in many posts I would rather not-And have constructive views made-With a few called names thrown in,It was never ment as a threat-But honestly it can be done-Think even if you did a little research you would see that their a bodies who oversee the integity of the net,And yes Many of the codes differ from personal to State-But one law covers both, The incitment to cause or promote-Then the list.
[Robbie --- No laws of the United States have been violated by the site. I could give a rat's ass about any international law. There really is nothing your or any other international governing body can do to prevent me from being able to practice my first amendment rights here. And those rights do include ridiculing and mocking idiots. It even allows me to use all the fucktastic vulgarity that I see fit. Believe me, I can call you a liar and an idiot with impunity in this country.]
Hope i get a half decent responce.
[Robbie --- Just out of curiosity, Paul -- but what is your native/first language , at it's obviously not English?]
So I have bad Grammer-So fucking what-I suppose you are perfect in every little detail in every aspect of your life. No wonder their is so much Discrimination in the fucking world.
Just out of curiosity Robbie,Can you Read,Show me were i state to abandon the process,I said it needed tweaking slighly,And you read into that I said abandon The process.
So This Judge-Did i need to be at the conference he was holding when he made them points-I found the dam site,That he endorses-So go and find it yourself-Oh no you wont though will you Robbie-Why because it proves you wrong.That carn”t be done can it,prove Mr High and mighty wrong-Go find it yourself and be a man,And read the dam truth-Think the Judge and those others at the conference know more about how the system works-Than you or anyone else.
Lol you wont turn me in-To who the Body who you thinks does not exist.
I do not dispute or deny-What Threats I have made on here-And Fully support them
Correct me If I am wrong The Fifth Ammendment covers the U S .
Yet again Americans think they can flout International laws-Oh ofcourse they can They dictate to the world.
And you wonder why the States is the most hated country in the world-Think you will find that very accurate.
If you are ever comming to the Uk, Dont forget to send me an email,So I can give you that Whipping you go on about-I will make sure-you dont wish for another one.
You are fowl mouthed,You Discriminate,With origin,Colour,Educational Level,People who dont share your warped views based on biased information.
Lol- you accuse me of bad Grammer-Read your last post (at it”s obviously).
Well last post for me-You really are a biggoted,Biased Bastard,No need to thank me for stating the truth.
Trust me Robbie,Mr ANNONIMOUS,no 2 liberals-Not really the same biggoted twat are you,I bet you I get this site down-
Dont bother to reply with your fowl fucking mouth-I will just delete even before its opened
I was going to say go fuck yourself-As you are so perverse you would probably enjoy it.
Anyone who condones this site and its context are sick.
I figured out why the idiot is complaining about people emailing him. He clicked off the box of the new feature that requests he be notified by email anytime someone responds. Fool.
Lol-You Figured out why I was complaining about people emailing me,Lol how fucking presumutous of you-Iknow the difference between being notifyed of a post-And a personal Email-So your the Fucking Idiot for Thinking such assumptions.
I recieved Personal emails-Pesronal means exactly that,That is not a prosumtion but a Fact
Secondly With reference to your Fifth Ammendent you spout out about-It covers the Us,So presumably you Think you are safe because you have a US Based server,Fucking wrong,Because this is the world wide web-Those laws I told you about are International,Your Fifth Ammendment covers you, so say what you want to who-Within your Own Country-And Things are already inhand-I dont care if you care to believe me or not,I promise you I will stop this site from being able to Fuction,That is not a threat or a cheap talk,I promise you,Forgive the phrase-But more ways to skin a cat.
After my last post last night-I decided to brouse your attire site-And no matter what the subject-One thing was a common denominator-A person offers you a view-Even if it factual or not-You shoot them down,On the grounds they are not of the same opinion as you.
So your are opinionated,Good,Always good to hear,You stand by your beliefs,Again good,And it is obvious are are very Inteligent person-But why not use that-Rather than belittle-You state very clearly that you dont-If A person is Black or white,Lesser Educational skills,Age, Abilty-But That is what amazes me about you,Their are some people who have not had as good as upbringing as you,Yours might have been bad-And you have gone through adveristy,But Many more Have not had the chances in life like Many do-So a person who lives all his life in Kenya in a Mud hut-No Education-Having to work long hours doing menial jobs-Because thats the difference between eating and Starving-Because of the life he leads-He/She has no eduction-And you expect That later in life-If he wanted advise or to express a view-You would belittle that person as being Ignorant-And that is nothing short of Disgusting.
My Dad died of cancer when I was 16,But was severly Ill for many years-As my mum was Disabled-I had a choice-Help Mum look after dad or school-What would you have done,You Get one fucking family And one Life.
Because of my lack of schooling,I get belittled,Slated on here,Why Simply because I was not as fortunate in growing up and basic things like Schooling As you-But you Discriminate against me because of my early life-And that is the lowest of the low.
Anbody slates another because they were not as lucky or privalidged in life is a Dumb Ass-Do you Disctimanate against Disabled People? Or are you just selective in your process.
I admit I have made a few points on here,And sinced learned That they were false,But I have also made valid and factual postsAnd My Grammer etc As been more greater inportance to you.
I dont give two fucks that you hate the Brits,Many Yanks I fucking hate,And many oversees policys The US has,And the uk disgusts Me-
I have morals,Standard,principles,And a Strong value whats Important in my life-Family etc-But one thing i dont do is discrimate,If Aperson makes a point-Its Their right to do so-I might put them straight,But never discrimanate to the extent you do.
Iknow the difference between being notifyed of a post-And a personal Email-
Obviously, not. You kept claiming we were emailing you in the last thread. In this thread you told us not to email you because you would delete it without opening it.
By deciding to open any more emails from you or your other side kicks,Was nothing more than,If I wanted to see what had been written,I would just come to view the blogs.
Simply Because the personal emails I were recieving-Were Firstly Inadition to the notifying emails-Or was I privaligded two recieve to emails notifying me of any new additional posts.
Dont care If it was you-Or you side kicks,Or even somone trying to cause Shit and stir up.
In all the other posts I have written-You have replied by Answering all the questions posed-I am just curious why my last one only was different-Oh yea rather than Answer me-I Just tell him I could not be arsed,Or was hard to work out-Rather than actully answer the questions i posed.
I admitted in my last post-About being enlightened about issues I made posts about-Even told you I totally respect you being opinionated and standing by your believes,And were indeed very Inteligent-Just amazed why you dont use those qualities to better effect.
So please I am curious for the answers to what I posed,I will probably get a mouth full of abuse than the answers-All that does instills in Me and others-The truth behind your failure to be selective on what replies in a post you actully want to address
Not related to the above.
I have just been informed that a Major part of the Electric light Orchestra has died (KellyGroucutt)He was the frontman for the reformed group the Orchestra that has toured for many years.
As I know The Group has had a Big Fan base in the Us-And I just thought it would be nice to let-Any fans of the group in the us of this sad news.
If anyone would like links to message boards of condolance,Then just let me no.
Thanks
Wrong! Troy Anthony Davis is innocent. You may also be wrong saying he will be executed. That remains to be seen. For anyone who believes that an innocent person has not been executed since 1900, you need to read the stories of Carlos DeLuna and Todd Willingham, executed in the state of Texas. Keep reading, there are more and will continue to be more innocent people executed. Capital Punishment is very wrong and needs to end. People are being executed, convicted under the ” Law of Parties”. The killer gets a lesser sentence and the other person gets the death penalty. Be careful what you say and whos’ side you are on. Who knows, this very thing could happen to you or your loved ones. If you were the one wrongly convicted, locked behind those bars, awaiting your date with death, think you might fell differently? I would hope so !
Of course, I’ve read their cases. It is you and your fellow yobs who are not familiar with their cases that falsely claim they are innocent.
Generally, without a witness, both would go unconvicted. Anyway, the person who hires or sets in motion a murder, is hardly less guilty than the person who pulls the trigger.
Dream on!
And if it were you or your child who was tortured and killed, you might feel differently. If not, you’re not right in the head.
As you clearly endorse the execution”s of sick bastards-Why dont you execute David Mortari,The fucking sick bastard.
A U S Marine,Representing his country- Who was their to uphold the law and help bring peace and democracy to Iraq, And as all soldiers,representing their country.
And what does he do-Throws a defencless puppy over a cliff, And redicules it as he throws it.
I hope that as you are a dog lover yourself, And one myself, I for one find it totally disgusting, I hope you support any animal lover on this-And make it greater knowledge,He should be fucking wipped.
Seek help. As loathsome as animal abuse is, for you to call for the death of this person reveals you to be a seriously whacked out person.
You consider Justice for Martinez animal abuse?
I will agree he is an animal, but also the abuser.
Seek Help?,And I am a whacked out person-And Why because A Man who In a Sick act of showing what a big Man he was,Premeditated a cruel and callious act on a Puppy That he knew would result in its death, And That could not defend itself.Oh its ok as its only an Animal, Because a Human life is more Important is it?
If You recall I never considered justice for Martinez, my first post was posted in error in relation to a different Martinez.
I have been in agreement with you,That people such as Martinez, should rightfully be executed-And not spend years in prison awaiting execution.Only two nights ago I was reading up on Terry Hankins, A very deserving execution-I am not one of these Anti Execution idiots that you keep presuming I am.
And all I was saying was-That despite no prove of Anyone being Executed-But several spending 10 0r 15, or 20 Years in prison only to be proved Innocent-The waste of a life-The waste of the tax payers money-The real culprits are still free shows the system has flaws, And needs to be looked at-Those points have been raised by many people from Senates/Judges etc, And are respected, I say them and Im talking bollocks.
Had the privalidge to meet 3 americans who stayed with me for a week, 2 from Atlanta and 1 from Ohio,We Had a great time-Even had time over a few beers to talk about death pen etc-Strange how all 3 shared my views-Well you live and learn lol
Have you ever watched The Thin Blue Line?-I have However openly admitted and agreed with you that the vast Majority on Death Row Deserve to be their,And The shorter the time the better.
But Never has such a case proved beyound any doubt that serious flaws exists,And still do.
1/The police and Courts Were more than happy to except the word of a well known Criminal, Inclusive of Attempted Murder, Attempted Robbery, Robbery, Assault, Possesion of a Deadly Weapon, Intimidation, Against a Man with no criminal History what so ever-Who was well respected, Law abiding Citizen-Even with the DNA clearly showing Harris to be the shooter.
12 Years in Prison, 4 years On Death Row, 3 Days away from Execution-Years of Tax payers money being used in Court Hearings.
And why-Because a police officer was Killed and the force clearly admit their over zelous actions–Is that not purgury lol?
And a quote from a well known,Well respected Man —— ” The State of Texas was out to get him”.
I find that very worrying myself That People Find that exceptable- Be Pro Death by all means-But Their are several cases like this, And If you are saying your system works-You are either Disturbed, Or are not bother wrongly convicted American Citizens spend years In Prison and Death row-That costs money and ruins familys lifes
Just watched David Martinez on National Geographic Channel…The show featured him 24 hours before his execution…It seemed to me that he expressed sincere regret and remorse for his actions that happened when he was drunk after being recently released from prison for another crime..He also regreted not being able to be a better example for his daughter….and He requested the death penalty over and over…and that the people he killed were people that he loved very much…So sad..on every level….Hopefully Jesus does forgive those who ask for forgiveness…
No one knows for sure what happens on the other side until we get there…personally I would prefer to have as much time between the murder of my loved one and the death of their murderer. I do not want my loved one to have to deal with meeting the spirit of their killer on the other side….I feel a life sentence in prison is a worse punishment then death…