I was a Soldier under the command of President Bill Clinton. I didn’t like the man, didn’t even respect him. But I never felt like he hated and disrespected us.
The same cannot be said for the current Community Organizer in Chief. I’ve talked to a lot of active duty military personnel and lots more veterans — and the feelings for and about Obama are pretty consistent — loathing and contempt are two words I hear a lot.
First of all, the military appreciates a President who at one time in his life had the honor and courage to raise his hand, take the oath, put on the uniform, pick up a rifle, and stand a watch.
Obama never did.
The military appreciates a President who believes in them, their abilities, and their mission. Throughout Obama’s brief stint as a US Senator, he clearly demonstrated that he did not.
When the citizens of America have had enough and decide to march on Washington and (from the Declaration of Independence)
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
…and abolish our tyrannical government, Obama better not be counting on the United States Military to stand between him and the public. Because they are more than likely to join the just cause.
All of that to show this video, which shows very clearly how the troops felt about President Bush (loved him) and how they feel about their new Community Organizer in Chief (hate him):
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When the citizens of America have had enough and decide to march on Washington and (from the Declaration of Independence)
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
when do we leave?
Soon, my friend. Soon.
I’m a little confused..Why should the military loath a guy who is trying to get them out of the Iraq war? I mean, I don’t have a CLOSE family member in the military, but it seems to me these guys are sick of leaving their family’s for tour after tour in Iraq when the military so desperatly needs help in Afganistan. I don’t think Obama disrespects any military personnel, I just think he is and always was against the war in Iraq, which I think the American people are too. I don’t think he doesn’t believe in their abilites, but I do think he thinks they are being wasted in Iraq.
Ms Independent,
I’ll let the military people answer this one from the military perspective, but do you believe Obama would be willing to die for this country ?
I don’t.
Ms Independent —
President Bush wanted to win; Obama can’t wait to lose. Kind of a big deal when fighting a war.
Remember, Obama is the one who declared that we could’t win in Iraq. How is that believing in the might and ability of our military (oh, and in case you missed it on NBC or CBS, we have won the war in Iraq).
Also, more importantly to the men and women wearing the uniform, don’t forget that Barack accused them of (and this is a direct quote), “just airraiding villages and killing children.”
You know, the “child killer” meme was old during Vietnam, and doesn’t play any better with today’s troops.
And you don’t know anything about the mission we’re fighting or the troops opinions of their mission over there. They are very committed to fighting al Qaeda in Iraq and restoring freedom and democracy to a people who have never known it.
You might find that to be “wasted”, but I assure you that my brothers and sisters in arms don’t believe the same as you do.
Didn’t almighty Bush weasel his way out of any meaningful service? I wouldn’t be so quick to hold his military accomplishments up as a shining example. Of course, that does not negate the fact that Obama never served and is likely not held in high regard by the military, as you state.
President Bush did serve, and did so honorably. I have never met a military man or woman (active or retired) who thinks President Bush’s service was anything but honorable.
It is true that President Bush did not serve in combat. The same is true for the majority of service people, even today.
But everyone who ever served in uniform essentially wrote a blank check to the US Government, for “any amount, up to and including my life”. We all promised that, should we ever be ordered to do so, we would place the survival of our nation over our own survival. This is as true of George W. Bush as it is of George Patton.
Bush’s predecessor made it abundantly clear, almost from the moment he took office, that he had no respect for us. I served under four U.S. Presidents — during only one administration were we required to attend training lectures on making public statements critical of the Commander-In-Chief.
President Bush, on the other hand, made it clear from the very beginning that he had the highest possible respect for us, and believe me, that respect went (and still goes) both ways. I disagreed with President Bush in some areas, but you will never hear me say anything negative concerning his performance as Commander-In-Chief.
Hey I never said the military was not committed to their mission! I was always under the impression that we invaded Iraq because Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, which we now know was not true, not because the people of Iraq were living under the rule of a dictator. If we start a war with every country because they don’t have Democracy,why not invade China or North Korea next? I have always heard on the news that the people in Iraq fight eachother more than anything else. I KNOW our military is the best in the world,and I have the GREATEST respect to anyone who wears a uniform, but they can’t save the entire world. I just happen to think Obama is right to send more troops to Afganistan, and while I do not like his liberal agenda, I do agree with him that the Iraq war was a distraction from fighting terrorism.
And another thing doggonnit!!!
Have you ever noticed that any time you hear, “Bush weaseled his way out of any meaningful service”, it’s coming from someone who never served?
Ms. Independence said:
You do know who we are fighting in Iraq, don’t you? It’s this little band of heathens that goes by the name of al Qaeda in Iraq.
You might disagree, but I assure you they are terrorist in every sense of the word. They hate America. They hate our values and our way of life. They would do anything — even die a horrifically violent death — to kill innocent Americans.
Killing them in mass over there is not only better than killing them in mass over here — it’s just as good as killing them in Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, or whichever cave they are hiding in.
Killing al Qaeda in Iraq is very much a part of a winning strategy in winning the GLOBAL war on terror.
I wouldn’t have thought that needed explaining. I’m always surprised to remember that it does.
No, you don’t. You’re just to dishonest to admit it.
You said it..”This little band of heathens” in Iraq while the Taliban and al Qaeda grow and grow in Afghanistan..And I repeat: I have always heard that the different ethnic groups in Iraq fight eachother and cause most of the problems there. So I gather from your comment about the global war on terrorism no matter where they hide, Iran, Syria we should just disregaurd these countries sovereignty and go get them anyway? Don’t think that will go over very well. While I know we have to keep on keeping on,I just think this is a no win situation, and the best our military can do is to contain it as best they can in Afghanistan where it all started..
Ms. Independent, I doubt that anything about the military can penetrat you brain, but I will try.
During WWII, the soldiers griped and bitched about George Patton. He pushed them to the breaking point, and then went 30 more miles. But the one thing that every soldier who ever served under Patton knew was four little words: PATTON BELIEVES IN US.
President Bush believed in the military he commanded and they may gripe and complain, but they always knew they had his respect.
As to going into Iraq simply over WMDs, it is amazing to me how people like you believe on the talking points put out by liberal talking heads. If you had bothered to read President Bush’s speech on why we were going to Iraq, you would know better. Maybe I can help you out; 17 ignored UN resolutions, violations of the 1991 cease fire, shooting at American planes in the no-fly zone, violations of UN order human rights, intention to reconstitute Obama’s WMD program that he had and had used and never accounted for.
Anyone of those things were cause for pre-emptive actions against the Saddam regime. But it seems you are like the phonograph needle that gets stuck in a scratch and keeps playing the same thing over and over again, never hearing the rest of the tune.
I’m sure we can take up a collection, get Ms. Independent a burqa, cut off her clitoris, and ship her off to her buds in Syria.
Well, I usually agree with everything Robbie has to say on his blog, but I can also see that if anyone disagrees in the slightest, get ready for attacks that have nothing to do with what they say. I think the Iraq war was a mistake and I don’t see how that translates to not believing in our military might and saying I don’t really have respect for anyone in uniform. And as for you Retard05 , I mean Retireo5, yeah I can see how being pushed to the breaking point has caused the suicide rate to skyrocket in the military. I don’t know WHAT the hell Sam is talking about so fuck off asshole..
Ms. Indpendent — I actually thought we (at least you and I) were engaged in good healthy debate. No attacking of each other…only each others ideas. Which I’m more than happy to do. You have every right to think the way you do and to your opinion.
Thanks for chiming in.
Ms. Independent, your lack of independence is showing as you seem to be covered in green feathers like any other DNC parrot.
RetardO5? Please, honey, I suggest you don’t give up your day (or night) job to go into comedy.
Yeah, I know, all you libs support the troops, except when they are doing the very job they joined the military to do. You seem to ignore that there are NO enlisted who have not joined, or re-upped since the war began. They believe in what they are doing, so you can take your b/s to someone else. Find you some Starbucks and sit around with your Birkenstock friends singing Kumbaya and talking about what wonderful people you are.
Forget about the 600,000 Iraqs that Saddam murdered in rape rooms, torture chambers and stadiums. Forget about the women raped in front of their children and husbands. Forget about the Iraq men, drug out of their homes in the middle of the night, only to return in parts, having their families billed for their executions.
And glad to see you show what a lady you are by telling someone to “F off”. You must be a real source of pride to your mother.
Nice language, Damascus Rose. Got any other third-rate Islamic dictatorships you feel like defending?
“I don’t have a CLOSE family member in the military” – that much is obvious. I do. More of my family is currently serving than is not. More of my family has served than has not. Many of my family are currently stationed out of country in support of the War on Terror. Why? So that the greatest concern in your life is whether they are “sick of leaving their family.” To answer your question- my family is willing to leave their family so that you can sit in your lazy-boy recliner and postulate that question.
“I just happen to think Obama is right to send more troops to Afganistan, and while I do not like his liberal agenda, I do agree with him that the Iraq war was a distraction from fighting terrorism.” Saddam was a destabilizing force in the ME for many years. He instituted at least 2 wars- aggression against Iran and aggression against Kuwait that resulted in Gulf War 1. The information that President Bush went to war with against Sadam was trumpeted in the halls of congress and the senate by no less than john kerry and gore (http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/clinton-kerry-gore-call-for-war-against-saddams-iraq/)
“I just think this is a no win situation, and the best our military can do is to contain it as best they can in Afghanistan where it all started..” I’d be willing to bet that you are among the hoard that was saying we couldn’t win in Iraq because of the sectarian strife. Well weren’t you disappointed when the fabulous servicemembers of our country, including many of my family proved you wrong. I’ve got news for you…..we won in Iraq. And if our military is allowed to do the job they all volunteered to do- out of love of country and family- to provide you the safety to sit on your ass and profess from one side of your mouth your “loyalty” while you snidely question why they would “leave their families” they will succeed. And if you had “skin in the game” you wouldn’t have to question whether they miss their families.
Well, I usually agree with everything Robbie has to say on his blog, but I can also see that if anyone disagrees in the slightest, get ready for attacks that have nothing to do with what they say. I think the Iraq war was a mistake and I don’t see how that translates to not believing in our military might and saying I don’t really have respect for anyone in uniform. The fact that you referred to “retired 05” as “retard 05” says all that needs to be said.
you spread your plummage for all to see you shitbird. fly away now.
Thanks Robbie and I don’t like to get ugly with people, but they drew first blood. So let me make a few things clear. I’m registered as an Independent, not a Democrat or Republican but just because I happen to think the Iraq war was a mistake doesn’t make me a liberal either. I said I didn’t have a CLOSE family member in the military, but my sisters daughter has a first cousin on her fathers side who IS in the Army and we happen to have a family gathering 2 weeks ago when it was announced that this young man was being called back into service and the tears and devestation I wittnessed was heartbreaking. This same man was having to comfort his grandmother while explaining to her he had a job to do. So don’t preach to me Retireo5 about not supporting our troops unless they are doing what they joined to do. And yes I am sick of seeing these families torn apart from tour after tour and I assure you he he didn’t volenteer for this one.
Hey Armybrat where did I say we didn’t win in Iraq or make a “Snide” comment about soliders leaving their families? Jesus people I said the Global war on terrorism is a no win situation because just look at Pakistan..They seem not to want to help us help them and always condem air strikes or cross border raids from our military. If these other countries won’t cooperate then what do we do? Invade them all? God all you people jump on me as if I condem the military for doing the job they were sent to do! I NEVER said that. I just happen to think we should have finished the job in Afghanistan before rushing head long into another war. And I never said they wouldn’t win in Afghanistan!! I know with more troops we can kick ass over there if Pakistan would get the hell outta the way.
never said they wouldn’t win in Afghanistan!! I know with more troops we can kick ass over there if Pakistan would get the hell outta the way.
Left by Ms. Independent on March 5th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
good grief. where did this whiny, poor-me, I didn’t say that, red herring tosser come from? Obviously not from a quality geo-political program. Or maybe not even kindergarten….what a stupid posting name for such a blatant troll-er. Where is ole’ cut-n-paste when we need him?
To “Ms. Independent,”
Ma’am. I am a Soldier currently serving overseas in support of the War on Terror. I have also served three tours of combat in The Original Desert Storm, Iraq in OIF in 2003 and in 2004. Additionally, I have served in Humanitarian Operations to the tune of 3 times.
I am just completing 21 years of service this month, and, will probably serve longer.
It is an honor to do this. It is a distinct priveledge to provide to you the freedom to maintain your beliefs and speak your views.
I humbly ask that you not continue to misrepresent yourself. Please, for my sake do this.
It is clear to me that you have no regard for truth as your lies in this mission thread have illustrated. It is also clear that you have no self respect or sense of personal honor as you cannot think for yourself and can only read from a the hate-filled agenda of your political party affiliation (whatever that may be). It is also clear to me that you have no ability to understand that the freedom you enjoy, and the protection thereof has come at a price. A price severely measured and paid by those of us in uniform in blood, bone, and comfort for you. You.
For me, the least in all of this, and for my brothers and sisters in arms, the most; please be honest with us and yourself and quit hiding. We paid for it, we want the real you.
Thank you.
Humm, well I’m not sure how I have misrepresented myself here as I have stated several times that I think the war in Iraq was a mistake so I’ll just part with this: It was lovley to see how much the Iraqi people truly appreciated the liberation of their country from an evil dictator by throwing shoes at the very man who sent them the salvation they needed, and then sclupting a large shoe in that mans honor outside an orphanage to remind future generations of all the orphans Bush’s war left behind. Never mind that their former ruler killed thousands of his own people. A simple thank you would have been nice.
Ms. Independent — I think people, especially military and veterans — are very quick to jump to the defense of any slights they perceive against the military. Sometimes it’s not entirely warranted, but that’s the nature of the beast, and I’ve been guilty of it too.
I don’t find anything that you’ve written to be offensive or derogatory towards the military — so, I think most of the flaming is a bit unwarranted. However, that doesn’t mean I don’t disagree with much of what you’re saying, because I think you are getting your information from biased and untrustworthy sources.
For instance, with this statement:
You know all about this incident, because it is what our biased, agenda-driven liberal media wanted you to see. From their perspective, it’s as though this single shoe thrower represented the sentiment of an entire nation.
What the media almost never shows you, because it does not fit their agenda, is the thousands of pictures of our Soldiers working with Iraqi citizens. Building schools, treating their children, giving out presents to them, feeding them. The children of Iraq love the US Soldiers — I can tell you first hand that one of the greatest feelings in the world is when a kid runs up to you and wants to touch you just because you are an American.
Are there Iraqis who are opposed to the US military intervention in their country? Absolutely. But they are not the norm. You just wouldn’t know that from watching the news.
Another big fat leftard lie by a lying leftard. I know you people love to play fast and lose with facts and stats, but the suicide rate is still lower than the rate of those of similar age and education in the general population. So, don’t give us this shit that you respect the military while you attempt to demonize and degrade them.
Iraq is a total boondoggle. Where the hell is Bin Laden?
Now that’s some serious BS.
As for Ms. Independent, I viewed all the comments, and am not interested in flaming any one, but can understand why some did flame. I’m a veteran, and will stick up for my brothers and sisters in a heart beat.
What I found in her comments was, someone who is not fully informed about why we serve, and about why Iraq was re-invaded.
If you believe the re-invasion of Iraq was a mistake, that is your right, but I don’t think it is based in reality, as the justification for it was well made. W didn’t take this action lightly, or unilaterally, but took many months of diplomatic work, and forming a coalition of over thirty nations.
The mistaken belief that WMD was the only reason we re-invaded, persists, and is such a simplistic canard, I am constantly amazed it continues to this day.
For one of the single best explanations of what the re-invasion of Iraq was all about, here is the 2002 joint Congressional resolution, authorizing the use of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq.
As for the tepid response of the Armed Forces to B-HO, it shouldn’t be surprising, as he did all he could to undermine their efforts there, was opposed to the “surge,” and what little recognition he acknowledges to the success of the surge, he still states he thinks it was the wrong approach.
I’ve heard it said there are two types of people, those who remember the Carter administration years, and those who are about to find out. I got out of the USAF just before Carter got elected, and friends who were still in, including fighter pilots who were initially career oriented, gave up their commissions in droves, during his term. They did the same during the Clintoon years, the most openly hostile administration towards our military in our history. During W’s terms, re-enlistments were nearly always above 100%. I can assure you, the retention rate among the various services, will drop off precipitously during the B-HO administration, or as some call it the Jimmy Carter II administration.
No2Liberals, my brother was also one who jumped ship during the Carter years. The rest of my family that was in, left during Clinton. Contrary to what liberals think, the military DO know who is supportive of them and who is not.
President Zero will see attrition rates not seen since Clinton. Who the hell wants to work for someone they know doesn’t like them? Nobody, and our military is no different. Yeah, you will have some lifers who stay in because they have cushy jobs, but a friend of mine who is a recruiter in Alabama said that he is seeing few recruits and those who are coming in are dumber than a box of rock.
And have you noticed that since January 20, 2009, we never see anything about Iraq or Afganistan on the front pages of the New York Slimes? It’s as if they no longer exist. Can’t have the reports of dead soldiers coming home under the current socialist administration. It would look bad to all his peacenik friends.
retire05,
The NYSlimes barely mentions that B-HO is a war criminal, blowing up all those people in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
The military was devastated by Carter and the JackAss Congress. When RWR came in and saw what deplorable condition it was in, he went on a frantic catch-up program, to rebuild the military. Then Clintoon destroyed it again, and wasted the “Peace Dividend,” only to have W and Rumsfeld have to get busy to rebuild it again.
The left doesn’t take national security seriously, they think they can “chat” with those who wish us dead. B-HO and his flunkies are going to get a whole bunch of innocent people killed, I can just feel it.
I’ll tell you what, “achievers” — you keep your Collateralized Debt Obligations, and we’ll keep the food. You take away your energy futures trading, and we’ll keep the actual power plants. You run off to your own private island with your structured corporate insurance derivatives, and we’ll keep the automobiles, and the boats, and the oil, and the coal, and the grain, and the batteries, and the electronics, and the cows, and the roads and bridges, and the drinking cups, and the indoor plumbing, and the light bulbs, and the televisions, and the art, and the music, and the trees that grow the fruit, and the lumber, and the recycling centers, and the actual pills to cure what ails you, and the fishing lines, and the books, and the buildings, and the railroads, and the little metal clips that hold the little hydraulic lines that keep that gigantic, thundering airplane you’re on in the air. We’ll keep the borax, iron, salt, aluminum, and steel. We’ll keep the corn, the soybeans, the lettuce, and the water. We’ll spot you as many U-haul boxes as you need to pack up your money and your stock certificates, and then please, by all means — teach us a lesson.
Go live your Randian fantasies, go create that wonderful utopia in which only the most wealthy are permitted entry, and you are not burdened with the outrageous insult of having to contribute back a proportionate share of your income in order to help maintain the very fabric of the nation around you.
So who did you plagiarize this time, Mohamed?
And No2 – what do you think of Hillary? She’s looking bad. She’s not sounding like herself. She’s kissing ass and that ain’t her style. Something’s up. I don’t believe she believes in what she’s doing. Am I wrong?
Dianne,
Honestly, I don’t now, or ever did, know what to think about her.
I don’t know if she is kissing ass, or looking for rhoids.
She is at least as screwy as B-HO, making ridiculous gaffes with Russia, and now smoozing with Syria.
I’ve always believed she wanted to be thought of in terms of greatness. Any desires she has to that extent will have to be measured in her own terms. To me she will always be a foul-mouthed, pompous, self-absorbed legend in her own mind.
I do not, and never have, wished her well.
Thanks, No2. After reading your message, I remembered you weren’t a Hillary fan. Not that I was a big fan either but I thought she was better than him.
Dianne, in the beginning, when Bubba got elected, I knew nothing of her and gave her the benefit of the doubt, fully expecting her to conduct herself in a manner befitting a First Lady.
How quickly I changed my opinion. My dislike for her began the first time she stepped of off the airplane, when they arrived in D.C. for Bubba’s inauguration. She attempted to hand some small bags to a Secret Service agent. The SS aren’t porters, and they have to keep both hands free, in the event of an attack. He calmly explained he couldn’t take the bags, but they had people nearby for that purpose. She turned beet red, got into his face and said, “then what good are you f*#king people, anyway.”
From that point forward, my estimation of her continued to decline, and her incidents of abuse, and of grabbing power, never ceased.
Funny story.
A friend of mine, who retired from the USAF after 24years as an EOD Tech(that would be a bomb doctor), pulled many details as an augmenter for the SS. At one fund raiser, when she was running for the Senate in 2000, he was in attendance. After everything had been checked, and I mean everything, he was assigned to stand behind her table, along with other agents. At some point, the guests at her table had finished eating, and she looked around and saw my friend, snapped her fingers, and told him to clear their table.
That was not his job, and of all the things he could have said, if he chose to say anything at all to her, he couldn’t resist and hide his dislike for her. He calmly said, “I don’t work for you.”
She leaped out of her chair screaming, and turning beet red, and got into his face. He just stared at her with a go to hell look, until a supervisor ran over to calm things. They moved my friend to another area, and got the busboys to her table.
The following week, he was called into his commander’s office, and was presented with a letter of counseling for his actions. He read it, signed it, and slid it back across the desk. His commander looked at, wadded it into a ball, and tossed it into the trash can, claiming the matter was closed. My friend was sickened, as he watched it fly into the trashcan, he wanted to frame it.
I don’t think she is better than him, I think she is worse, and was his codependent enabler, so she would have access to power.
She’s not there to be herself. She was appointed to represent the policies of the Obama administration.
Those are quite the stories, No2. Hillary defiitely is no lady.
I’m to the point where I don’t trust hardly any politician these days. I didn’t like McCain either. It’s all distressing.
Dianne, I was never a Mc fan. I respected his service to our country, but not the type of congress critter he became. I ragged on him hard during the primary, here and here, but once he became the nominee, all I could do was rag on his opponent.
It’s distressing, especially when you look at where we are now, compared with just a year ago.
I only trust politicians that display principles I respect, and stand by them.
It’s just amazing that just two and a half years ago, Democrats convinced America that America was in such bad shape, their lives were so pathetic that “change” was needed.
Sure, change – my retirement is down 70%, America is kowtowing to every tinpot regime, and our freedoms are becoming a distant memory.
Thank you, Harry Reid, you Ichabod Crane motherfucker. And thank you, Nancy Pelosi, you over-Botoxed, bad facelifted waste of a vagina.
Oops, gotta post. Acctualy, if any of you were in the Marines now, you would know our commanders were trying to get the old administration to let them go INTO AFGHAN! The Marines ARE tired of Iraq. So the people saying these things are freakin idiots. They dont think they should be there. Marines do NOT occupy, they destroy..
Bush when he was in the military, it WAS dispicable, he was a SHIT BAG, who got out of serving in Vietnam because of who his daddy was. He is a dodger through and through. Sorry, its the truth.
And to the last poster, your retirement hasnt gone down because of Obama sir, its BUSH. Obama started working in January, and these problems started before that. Where have you been?
And BTW, the reasons the Marines are standing different in this video is quite simple. If you were actually in the Marine Corps, you would be able to tell the difference as to why.