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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2009/06/obamacarea-disaster-that-can-and-must-be-avoided/#comment-152129</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Tracy, I don&#039;t, this was a private conversation.
However, if you look at the links at the bottom of the post, &quot;the price of Obama&#039;s health care &#039;savings&#039;&quot; can give some insight.
Also, there is a doctor in Atlanta who has started an online protests by doctors, which is approximately at 50,000 so far.  Heard him interviewed on Glenn Beck this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Tracy, I don&#8217;t, this was a private conversation.<br />
However, if you look at the links at the bottom of the post, &#8220;the price of Obama&#8217;s health care &#8216;savings&#8217;&#8221; can give some insight.<br />
Also, there is a doctor in Atlanta who has started an online protests by doctors, which is approximately at 50,000 so far.  Heard him interviewed on Glenn Beck this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2009/06/obamacarea-disaster-that-can-and-must-be-avoided/#comment-152127</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO2LIBERALS,

Would you happen to have a link to the information the &quot;second gentleman&quot; in the quote below was referencing?  

&quot;The second gentleman did say that many doctors have finally learned the details of the “public option,’ and that is they will be required to treat these policy holders…without compensation!&quot;

I apologize if you already provided this link and I overlooked it.  I currently don&#039;t have a lot of time to indulge in online reading, but I find this topic concerning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO2LIBERALS,</p>
<p>Would you happen to have a link to the information the &#8220;second gentleman&#8221; in the quote below was referencing?  </p>
<p>&#8220;The second gentleman did say that many doctors have finally learned the details of the “public option,’ and that is they will be required to treat these policy holders…without compensation!&#8221;</p>
<p>I apologize if you already provided this link and I overlooked it.  I currently don&#8217;t have a lot of time to indulge in online reading, but I find this topic concerning.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2009/06/obamacarea-disaster-that-can-and-must-be-avoided/#comment-152125</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a pre-med student, I am especially interested in the ramifications of universal healthcare.  I am from a very modest economic background and am footing the expense of my education on my own. 

One doctor I know who has been practicing for decades has assured me that every society must adequately reward those who choose to undergo the rigorous and grueling training required to become a physician.  If society did not, then there would be a dramatic shortage of people willing to undergo all the difficulties and years of required training.  

We cannot expect those who want to become physicians to sink themselves into debt and invest up to a decade of their lives in school, residencies, and fellowships, without receiving adequate compensation.  I will personally be close to a quarter million dollars in debt by the time I complete my schooling.  With this amount of debt, I would not be able to sustain a medical practice in a world of government-controlled healthcare IF payments for treatment were indeed withheld for months on end, or, even worse, if treatment was expected to be rendered for free.  

I am motivated to be a doctor because I love the biological sciences and am thrilled to imagine how I can apply my passion to helping people by preventing, diagnosing and treating disease -- and, in the worst case scenario, by doing all I can to help assuage the pain of those suffering from terminal disease.  

Once through medical school, I plan on donating a portion of my time to provide services for the needy, but I am not gullible enough to forget that it takes money to keep a practice running.  I will not be able to sustain a practice based solely on the sense of satisfaction earned from knowing that I have helped someone.

That said, I also recognize the need for some type of healthcare reform, though I am skeptical that the answer lies in government-controlled universal care.  There are too many hard-working people who fall between the cracks in our current state of healthcare.  My husband and I are two such people, as my husband&#039;s employer does not offer any type of insurance.  We have had to go without medical care for health  issues that should not have been neglected simply because we could not afford the test or required treatment.  I find it ironic that those who choose to stay on welfare would get the treatment that we needed for free, while there is absolutely no help for hardworking people whose earnings are just above the poverty line, but who are struggling while living paycheck to paycheck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pre-med student, I am especially interested in the ramifications of universal healthcare.  I am from a very modest economic background and am footing the expense of my education on my own. </p>
<p>One doctor I know who has been practicing for decades has assured me that every society must adequately reward those who choose to undergo the rigorous and grueling training required to become a physician.  If society did not, then there would be a dramatic shortage of people willing to undergo all the difficulties and years of required training.  </p>
<p>We cannot expect those who want to become physicians to sink themselves into debt and invest up to a decade of their lives in school, residencies, and fellowships, without receiving adequate compensation.  I will personally be close to a quarter million dollars in debt by the time I complete my schooling.  With this amount of debt, I would not be able to sustain a medical practice in a world of government-controlled healthcare IF payments for treatment were indeed withheld for months on end, or, even worse, if treatment was expected to be rendered for free.  </p>
<p>I am motivated to be a doctor because I love the biological sciences and am thrilled to imagine how I can apply my passion to helping people by preventing, diagnosing and treating disease &#8212; and, in the worst case scenario, by doing all I can to help assuage the pain of those suffering from terminal disease.  </p>
<p>Once through medical school, I plan on donating a portion of my time to provide services for the needy, but I am not gullible enough to forget that it takes money to keep a practice running.  I will not be able to sustain a practice based solely on the sense of satisfaction earned from knowing that I have helped someone.</p>
<p>That said, I also recognize the need for some type of healthcare reform, though I am skeptical that the answer lies in government-controlled universal care.  There are too many hard-working people who fall between the cracks in our current state of healthcare.  My husband and I are two such people, as my husband&#8217;s employer does not offer any type of insurance.  We have had to go without medical care for health  issues that should not have been neglected simply because we could not afford the test or required treatment.  I find it ironic that those who choose to stay on welfare would get the treatment that we needed for free, while there is absolutely no help for hardworking people whose earnings are just above the poverty line, but who are struggling while living paycheck to paycheck.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2009/06/obamacarea-disaster-that-can-and-must-be-avoided/#comment-152121</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So the union, that worked so hard to get a guy elected that supports government sponsored health care, now doesn’t want what they worked so hard for and AT &amp; T is calling their bluff.&lt;/i&gt;

You can bet that congress and other government employees aret going to exempt themselves from obamacare and still have their own healthcare plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So the union, that worked so hard to get a guy elected that supports government sponsored health care, now doesn’t want what they worked so hard for and AT &amp; T is calling their bluff.</i></p>
<p>You can bet that congress and other government employees aret going to exempt themselves from obamacare and still have their own healthcare plans.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Liberals</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2009/06/obamacarea-disaster-that-can-and-must-be-avoided/#comment-152116</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Liberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words.

As for the bullying, it is classic Chicago mob rush.  I don&#039;t know if he has any outward displays of rage, though I hope to see it when the push back comes, but he lets people know that he will send his goons and thugs after them, and destroy them anyway they can.
It&#039;s the democrat way, now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words.</p>
<p>As for the bullying, it is classic Chicago mob rush.  I don&#8217;t know if he has any outward displays of rage, though I hope to see it when the push back comes, but he lets people know that he will send his goons and thugs after them, and destroy them anyway they can.<br />
It&#8217;s the democrat way, now.</p>
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		<title>By: retire05</title>
		<link>http://urbangrounds.com/2009/06/obamacarea-disaster-that-can-and-must-be-avoided/#comment-152110</link>
		<dc:creator>retire05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie, I hope you read this, because it upholds everything you are saying and it hits right here at home.

 Fewer doctors in Texas are taking Medicare/Medicaid.  My own doctor being one who doesn&#039;t unless the patient has secondary health insurance.  The reasons being that Medicare doesn&#039;t pay them what their time is worth and it is slow pay.  Texas has an insurance board that the doctors can complain to if insurance companies don&#039;t pay a claim within 30 days, but the federal government (i.e. Medicare) is exempt so many doctors don&#039;t get paid for 90-180 days.

Next:

Currently, the CWA (Communication Workers of America) is in negotiations with AT &amp; T for a new contract.  But negotiations are not going well.  AT &amp; T estimates that it currently spends $10,083/yr for health insurance per employee.  AT &amp; T is wanting employees to pick up a bigger part of the tab in the form of co-pays and deductibles to prevent the cost to AT &amp; T from going even higher.  The CWA of course, is bucking that.  

One of AT &amp; T&#039;s arguments is that the CWA has come out not only for Obama (contributing largely to his campaign) but has also come out for a &quot;universal&quot; health care plan through the government.  AT &amp; T thinks &quot;If you guys want the government plan, what&#039;s the problem?&quot; and rightfully so.   So the union, that worked so hard to get a guy elected that supports government sponsored health care, now doesn&#039;t want what they worked so hard for and AT &amp; T is calling their bluff.  It gives new meaning to the saying &quot;Be careful what you wish for.  You just may get it.&quot;

Now, AT &amp; T may not have said those things in negotiations, but I promise you, that is what management is thinking.  

It is going to get rough.  In my last CWA newsletter from the Austin local, it told of how the CWA gate crashed a AT &amp; T stockholders meeting in Dallas (thuggery) and is now trying to get Democratic congressmen to threaten AT &amp; T through the FCC and increased regulations.  Lloyd Doggett has already written to the CEO of AT &amp; T on behalf of the union.  The union is trying to prepare its members for a strike which, in this economy, is the dumbest thing they can do.  With increasing gas prices, which affect all other prices, like food, CWA members can&#039;t live off strike benefits for very long.  And all AT &amp; T has to do is hold out.

I relay all this to you for one reason.  The CBO has come out and said that millions of Americans will face losing their company funded health insurance plans.   The current CWA/AT &amp; T negotiations seem to uphold that estimate.  Companies are not going to provide paid health care if there is another option available.  They will just provide the employee with a slight raise to compensate for the loss of existing great health care benefits and force them onto The Obama Plan.  If so, as in the case of AT &amp; T employees, they will find that the insurance coverage they have come to take for granted and that is so very, very good (I know, I have it) will be replaced with a much worse system that doesn&#039;t really address their needs.  And they (unions) will have no one to blame but themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie, I hope you read this, because it upholds everything you are saying and it hits right here at home.</p>
<p> Fewer doctors in Texas are taking Medicare/Medicaid.  My own doctor being one who doesn&#8217;t unless the patient has secondary health insurance.  The reasons being that Medicare doesn&#8217;t pay them what their time is worth and it is slow pay.  Texas has an insurance board that the doctors can complain to if insurance companies don&#8217;t pay a claim within 30 days, but the federal government (i.e. Medicare) is exempt so many doctors don&#8217;t get paid for 90-180 days.</p>
<p>Next:</p>
<p>Currently, the CWA (Communication Workers of America) is in negotiations with AT &amp; T for a new contract.  But negotiations are not going well.  AT &amp; T estimates that it currently spends $10,083/yr for health insurance per employee.  AT &amp; T is wanting employees to pick up a bigger part of the tab in the form of co-pays and deductibles to prevent the cost to AT &amp; T from going even higher.  The CWA of course, is bucking that.  </p>
<p>One of AT &amp; T&#8217;s arguments is that the CWA has come out not only for Obama (contributing largely to his campaign) but has also come out for a &#8220;universal&#8221; health care plan through the government.  AT &amp; T thinks &#8220;If you guys want the government plan, what&#8217;s the problem?&#8221; and rightfully so.   So the union, that worked so hard to get a guy elected that supports government sponsored health care, now doesn&#8217;t want what they worked so hard for and AT &amp; T is calling their bluff.  It gives new meaning to the saying &#8220;Be careful what you wish for.  You just may get it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, AT &amp; T may not have said those things in negotiations, but I promise you, that is what management is thinking.  </p>
<p>It is going to get rough.  In my last CWA newsletter from the Austin local, it told of how the CWA gate crashed a AT &amp; T stockholders meeting in Dallas (thuggery) and is now trying to get Democratic congressmen to threaten AT &amp; T through the FCC and increased regulations.  Lloyd Doggett has already written to the CEO of AT &amp; T on behalf of the union.  The union is trying to prepare its members for a strike which, in this economy, is the dumbest thing they can do.  With increasing gas prices, which affect all other prices, like food, CWA members can&#8217;t live off strike benefits for very long.  And all AT &amp; T has to do is hold out.</p>
<p>I relay all this to you for one reason.  The CBO has come out and said that millions of Americans will face losing their company funded health insurance plans.   The current CWA/AT &amp; T negotiations seem to uphold that estimate.  Companies are not going to provide paid health care if there is another option available.  They will just provide the employee with a slight raise to compensate for the loss of existing great health care benefits and force them onto The Obama Plan.  If so, as in the case of AT &amp; T employees, they will find that the insurance coverage they have come to take for granted and that is so very, very good (I know, I have it) will be replaced with a much worse system that doesn&#8217;t really address their needs.  And they (unions) will have no one to blame but themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent commentary, No2.  

You know what really gets me is the fear that people have of Obama.  What does he do to intimidate them?  I have visions of his eyes turning red and horns sprouting from his head .  Look at this poor IG he fired speaking out on Fox and CNN.  The guy should probably be concerned for his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent commentary, No2.  </p>
<p>You know what really gets me is the fear that people have of Obama.  What does he do to intimidate them?  I have visions of his eyes turning red and horns sprouting from his head .  Look at this poor IG he fired speaking out on Fox and CNN.  The guy should probably be concerned for his life.</p>
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