I didn’t watch or listen to this ass-clown last night.
One thing about him I can’t tolerate is the sound of his voice, and the ridiculous speech pattern he uses, so I look forward to Rush’s show, as he now runs liberal sound bites at double speed, which makes them almost tolerable.
However, many did suffer through it to see what he said, and to my surprise, even AP claimed he lied.

This proposal also is a reminder of the type of care My Belle advocated when she was at her old job.

The NY Post informs us of B-HO’s Broken Promises.

You are all racists and tools of the insurance companies. Government can do anything better than private (rape and pillage) industry.

Obama Tells 14 Healthcare Lies!

That’s all?
Must have been a shorter info ad than normal.

I get sick of Obama talking crap about the healthcare system. He acts like if we are a third world nation instead of the country with the most advanced healthcare in the world. What a fucking idiot that creep is.

Health Commissioner Would Answer Only to Obama, Otherwise Unchecked.

More from the final report:

Aside from the will of the President, the Commissioner’s power would be unchecked. This is extremely troubling given the large scope of responsibility given to the Commissioner. In fact, the Commissioner is so powerful that the title is referenced almost 200 times in H.R. 3200. This government official would have:

• The power to decide which treatments patients could receive and at what cost;
• The power to decide which private plans would be allowed to participate in the Exchange;
• The power to regulate all insurance plans, both in and out of the Exchange;
• The power to determine which employers would be allowed to participate in the Exchange;
• The power to determine how many Americans will be allowed to choose health coverage through the Exchange;
• The power to form and control which physicians and hospitals participate in the government-run plan and in private plan provider networks;
• The power to determine which states are allowed to operate their own Exchange and terminate a previously-approved State Exchange at any time;
• The power to override state laws regarding covered health benefits;
• The power to determine how trillions of taxpayer and employer dollars would be spent within the Exchange;
• The power to determine who qualifies for premium assistance; and
• The power to automatically enroll Americans into the Exchange if they don’t have coverage, including potentially forcing these individuals into the government-run plan.

Also troubling is the fact the Secretary of Health and Human Services would decide which prescription drugs are made available in the government plan. Evidence has shown that government officials in other countries have used this power to deny access to needed treatments on the basis of cost.”

Leading Blue Dog Democrat: Pelosi Does Not Have the Votes for Health Care Reform.

Ross says the concerns Blue Dogs have about the current House bill being too expensive and not doing enough to contain health care costs are widespread.

“We’re speaking for a silent majority within the Democratic caucus,” he said. “The American people want us to slow down and they want us to get it right.”

And what about on the Senate side?

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chair of the Senate Finance Committee, was overheard jokingly telling House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, “let me tell you, praying might be helpful here.”

From the beginning its been previous administrations ultimate fault that illegal immigration has never been retired. Years of neglect and intentional overlooking of the laws that were in place? It’s grandiose excuse to allow the 20 million plus illegal immigrants to stay on American soil. Congress when enacted the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 has been flagrantly ignored. The IRCA toughened criminal sanctions for employers who hired illegal aliens, denied illegal aliens federally funded welfare benefits, and legitimized some aliens through an amnesty program–EXCEPT THESE LAWS NEVER WERE ENFORCED?

There has always been complicity since the earliest days, between the lawmakers, big business, the open border zealots and radical pro-immigration and anti-American sovereignty organizations. Just like the Globalist they have an attitude that American taxpayers should accommodate every illegal family, with free medical care, schooling and a comfortable prison cell, for criminals and for the thousands of illegal alien drunken drivers every year. That globalist agenda has always been a free movement of cheap labor, between all of South America, Canada and Mexico, just as secretly arranged with the 3 countries leaders in Waco, Texas, at the end of March 2005.

Americans only forceful action is to build on E-verify, but not to replace it? Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York and chairman of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on immigration wants consider up-grading the application, with modifications to authenticate the employee’s identity by using a specific and unique biometric identifiers? Schumer, stated “improving employment verification is critical to boosting public confidence about curbing illegal immigration, which will build support for comprehensive immigration reform.” These politicians just don’t get it? Outside of the American Civil War, there will be a battle over giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship free-ride? What about the millions of people with integrity and believe in the Rule of Law, who sit and wait in far off foreign countries for an entry visa?

Whatever the outcome it will not be easy to pass any Immigration reform or AMNESTY? Say–NO– because it going to cost trillions of dollars (with a T) in enactment. Health care, Pensions, retirement and a rush on government benefits, for those who haven’t already cheated the system. Then they will want their immediate families here? And waiting millions will swarm the open areas of the sovereign border fence? IT WILL NEVER END? Call your Politician today at 202-224-3121 GOOGLE—NUMBERSUSA, AMERICANPATROL for facts, that will not be found in most press releases.

[editor:shouting is unnecessary]

We as Americans and Christians need to PRAY that the LORD above will never allow this to pass, and if it does may HE have mercy on all of us!!! Please PRAY,PRAY,PRAY!!! We as a nation was founded on God and we must remenber IN GOD WE TRUST!!

In light of AARP endorsement of this garbage anyone who is a member of this ill advised, nonreading organization should cancel their membership NOW!
Has anyone read this that belong to AARP? AARP leaders have not read the bill and are being paid off handsomely through grants and incentives from the White House! They should be ashamed of themselves for not reading the Bill! I read the bill and if they, who have all the time in the world to read the 1013 pages should have just read pages 425 to 430 which states anyone over the age of 60 will get “Advance Care Planning Consultation” (Death counseling). The government will plan your living wills, durable powers of attorney, health care proxy, end of life services, legal surrogate, state authority of continued care under legal guidelines, physician given the responsibility to who gets what care without family assistance, limited interventions. All persons 60 and over must have “Death Consultations every 5 years and if you are already ill then that time speeds up to every 2 years.
If they would have read the garbage bill they would realize that the are mandated to give their checking account numbers to the Feds so that they can be charged for extraordinary care.

Yea, these idiots have no idea and just heard the words free and the government will give to them! And they dove for it!

Anyone who is part of AARP (AntiAmericanRepulsivePeople) should cancel their membership now!
In God we trust! God bless and help the true Americans!

Surprise, Surprise – Congressional Budget Office has flipped their cost anyalysis of the Health Care – Command visit to the White House and presto numbers change! Now it affordable. Please read on!

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the latest version of a bipartisan Senate Finance Committee bill would cost under $900 billion, giving the negotiators a boost as they try to complete a health care package this week.

The CBO returned the estimate last night on the bill, which would cover 95 percent of Americans by 2015 and would be fully paid for in the first 10 years, Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said.

“The report is encouraging,” Baucus said. “The bill would actually reduce the federal deficit in the 10th year by several billion dollars. In addition, employer–sponsored coverage increases over the life of the program.”

Depending on the final details of the bill, the cost could go as low as $750 billion to $800 billion, sources say.

Senate negotiators have struggled for months to pare down the price-tag of the overhaul while still trying to cover all Americans. As the economy continued to falter through the summer, lawmakers grew increasingly wary about passing a reform bill that topped $1 trillion.

Baucus has said his goal was to get a bill under $1 trillion mark – and by virtue of the lower cost, he would attract more Republican votes.

The lower cost estimate would make it harder for Republicans to characterize the bill as a bloated Democratic initiative.

However, Democrats will want to know what programs or subsidies were cut in order to get the smaller estimate. Liberal Democrats have been concerned that in order to produce a cheaper bill, Baucus could sacrifice broad access and affordable insurance for low- and moderate-income families.

Baucus said the current draft of the bill does not include several key outstanding issues, but declined to specify what those were.

The bill is expected to include health insurance cooperatives – but not the public insurance plan favored by President Barack Obama. It is not expected to include mandates on employers to provide insurance, in favor of a so-called “free rider” provision that would require employers to pay if their employee get government help with insurance.

The package will also include significant measures that would lower the rate of health care costs, such as taxing insurers that offer high-end plans.

The bipartisan group of six Finance Committee senators reconvenes later this afternoon, followed by a Democratic-only meeting of the Finance Committee.

Despite the progress, Senate aides took pains Wednesday morning to tamp down talk of a quick compromise.

Russ Sullivan, staff director for the Senate Finance Committee, sent an unusual e-mail this morning to top Senate staffers, telling them not to believe the hype: A health care deal is not imminent, despite what a Washington Post headline Wednesday suggests.

Sullivan actually goes out of his way to suggest that a bipartisan agreement is still a ways off.

“In fact, significant policy issues remain to be discussed among the Members, and any one of these issues could preclude bipartisan agreement,” Sullivan wrote. “Members will continue their methodical work.”

[...] as a watchman in the body of Christ. The comments by RJ are Rick Joyner’s comments from Peter Fleckstein’s explanation of the bill in page/line [...]

I have not read all of the bill, so will only respond to the one i have read every line of sec1233 regarding the end of life provisions. I do not know if you are deliberately misleading people on this provision, or don’t understand it. If you want, you will have the right to have a discussion with your doctor about end of life wishes, your health care choices and wants…yours. My family did this, all of us, but we have to pay an attorney a boat load of money to set up our wishes(called a health care directive) For us, we want our wishes carried out, and not someone else to decide for us. Can’t see a thing wrong with this..is a wonderful option. If you don’t want it, don’t have the discussion.

No 2 liberals…thx for the link…i read it, but again, the problem is that it just isn’t true. I would be deeply opposed to some gov’t official telling me I must appear for any kind of exam, including this. But I am not opposed to someone offering me that benefit. Part of the bill in this section provides people with national and state resources, including hot lines, state legal service organizations, etc ( pg 425 lines 12 thru 18
But not a soul is required to attend any consultation if they don’t want to. It simply does not say that. apparently, folks are assuming that is the intent.

again, thanks.

What a bunch of rubbish! This is nothing but propaganda.

I would welcome an honest debate from the Right but it doesn’t appear that conservatives are capable of being honest anymore.

Remember knowledge is power!
(Washington, D.C.) – The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) today condemned the billions in pork-barrel earmarks that are contained in the healthcare reform bills currently being crafted on Capitol Hill. According to reporter Michael Kranish of The Boston Globe, both the House and Senate versions contain language that would fund billions of dollars in pork-barrel items such as walking paths, streetlights, jungle gyms, and farmers’ markets, which proponents are describing as an attempt to upgrade “health infrastructure” and transform communities.

“It is appalling that members of Congress have withheld critical details related to some of the most important and costly aspects of this bill, grossly misrepresented the economic assumptions underlying their cost estimates, and refused to commit to giving taxpayers a reasonable amount of time to review a new law that could disrupt 18 percent of the economy,” said CCAGW President Tom Schatz. “Yet they found time to cram the bill with billions of dollars in self-serving pork-barrel items for boondoggles such walking paths and farmers’ markets.”

According to The Boston Globe article, the language to fund these pork-barrel items “was inserted at the urging of a nonprofit, nonpartisan group called Trust for America’s Health.” The Senate bill, commonly referred to as the Kennedy-Dodd bill, contains the most explicit descriptions of these projects, including a section which matches, word-for-word, language that was provided by the group, calling for the creation of an “infrastructure to support active living and access to nutritious foods in a safe environment.’’ In December 10, 2008 congressional testimony before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, Trust for America’s Health provided detailed examples of the kind of taxpayer-funded healthcare infrastructure they support, including grants for bike paths, jungle gyms, and lighting. The group has also lobbied Congress to establish a “Community Makeover Program,” which apparently entails spending money to beautify streets.

During the June 23, 2009 HELP Committee markup of the bill, Sens. Michael Enzi (R-Wyoming) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) offered several amendments to prohibit taxpayer dollars from being spent on such wasteful projects but their amendments were defeated.

“The healthiest thing that Congress could do for the American people would be to reject the bloated, wasteful, unaffordable Kennedy-Dodd bill and any similar plans. Instead, healthcare reform should be aimed at creating an authentic, robust market in which consumers and patients control their healthcare dollars, force new efficiencies and squeeze the fat out of the system, and push for higher quality care and better health outcomes,” concluded Schatz.

CCAGW is the lobbying arm of Citizens Against Government Waste, the nation’s largest nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in government.

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The best indicators as to how national healthcare will affect us is to look at other countries that have it. It sucks. Waiting lists are long whether to see a doctor, a specialist, or to get a hospital bed. Americans are not going to wait months and months to see a neurosurgeon after being told they have a brain tumor as they do in Canada. They are not going to wait a year to have gall bladder surgery. They are not going to accept that they can only have an expensive drug to treat maculor generation if they are going blind in both eyes — one eye is good enough for the little people.

I am not willing to have my private insurance premiums and taxes increase, my coverage limited by law, in order to end up with a lousy $10 rebate by the feds.

Whether a public plan or a co-op the goal is to unfairly compete with private insurance and drive them out of business so we are left with a government controlled monopoly, that can ration healthcare.

SECTION 113
On his website, Representative Robert Wexler responds to “blatantly false emails” about H.R. 3200. Mr. Wexler fails to address hidden complexities. His responses are misleading while he attempts to make government intentions appear benign. However, unintended consequences will favor large corporations and cause the demise of individual small businesses. For example, the first of his responses is to H.R. 3200 Section 113(b), located at page 22.
The email Mr. Wexler claims to be false is:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure.
Mr. Wexler responds:
Page 22 of H.R. 3200 requests a study, not an audit, of the effects to which rating rules are likely to cause adverse selection in the large group market and employer self insurance market insurance market. This does not require an audit of ALL employers that self insure.

1. Wexler states H.R. 3200 only “requests” a study. The law clearly states it “shall” study and report. The term “shall” creates an absolute legislative mandate.
2. Wexler fails to include all the areas that “shall” be studied. He lists only one area (The extent to which rating rules are likely to cause adverse selection). Mandates for “Study and Reports” also include financial solvency, capital reserve ratios, risks of financial insolvency, types of employers, sizes of employers, and insurance plans. Reporting of financial data is not limited in scope. It will trend toward unlimited data. It will create extensive and expensive burdens on small business that must hire accountants to respond.
3. Wexler states that the requested study is not an audit. The word “audit” is not specifically mentioned in Section 113(b). However, when financial “reporting” is mandated, it will trend toward a financial audit. While reporting may be informal by current accounting standards, it will trend toward expansive reporting, unless expressly limited in the original law. It should be remembered an Audit was never mentioned in the original Internal Revenue Service authorization.
4. Notice that “Reports” is not a singular, but a plural term. Reports will be subject to follow-up Reports and then subjected to follow-up audits for accuracy, that will trend toward criminal prosecution for fraud or negligent reporting. The “Study and Reports” section will trend toward extensive, intrusive and comprehensive government fact-gathering of unnamed, undefined and unlimited “key” characteristics.
5. While ALL employers may not initially be subjected to “Study and Reports” there is no limit specifically stated in H.R. 3200. The trend will be toward total inclusion for this requirement.
6. H.R. 3200 defines none of hundreds of terms used throughout the thousand pages. Legislative terms without clearly written and limited definitions are dangerous territory, especially when handed to administrative bureaucrats who have the power to over reach by over defining. An ordinary businessman may define “solvency” and “risk” in many different ways, as compared to government bureaucrats, accountants or lawyers.
7. H.R. 3200 and its thousand pages will be followed by hundreds of thousands of pages of minutely detailed administrative regulations. It will be a distracting maze. Misleading regulations will be written by government bureaucrats who have never run a business, never met a payroll, never made a profit, all without public input or legislative thought.

(Note: All comments are Fleckman’s): I added more actual text from HR3200 and tagged on my comment.
This is the big HR 3200 and depending on your POV it may not look real. It does not read like something we may be familiar with in this country. Obviously the reference notes are somewhat biased. There should have some balanced real world debate on the whole bill.
After a while the logic of it all become twisted and melts into a blur of illogical concepts. People are hurting and they deserve better than this plan.
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At the bottom of this message is a link to the
entire healthcare bill currently sitting in Congress – all 1,017 pages of it.
Some gems are posted in the email below:
August 2009
I base the (benthinks> comments on a lifetime perspective of knowing the shortcomings of how the federal government has managed many social issues and services.

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt to audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!! (1). Such report shall include any recommendations the Commissioner deems appropriate
to ensure that the law does not provide incentives
for small and mid-size employers to self-insure or
create adverse selection in the risk pools of large
group insurers and self-insured employers. (benthinks> independent thinkers and risk takers would give government a feeling of incomplete control)
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get. . (benthinks> the committee will be made of a cross sections of people, many not federal employees but appointed by the president. My guess is these appointed ones will wield the power and in the end the committee will have to much power.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
(A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-sharing
incurred under the essential benefits package
with respect to an individual (or family) for
a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph (B).
(benthinks> the needed exceptions for this rationing will end up in a nightmare of red tape.

Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose our HC Benefits for you.
The Commissioner is responsible for carrying out the following functions under this division:(1) QUALIFIED PLAN STANDARDS.—The establishment of qualified health benefits plan standards under this title, including the enforcement of such standards in coordination with State…
(benthinks> if the menu at McDonalds is not your cup of tea then get used to it.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
(benthinks> we should have the right as US citizens to vote where we should or should not cover all healthcare and other cost of people in this country illegally.

Pg 58HC Bill – Govt will have real-time access to individual finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued! (benthinks> the idea is commendable in some ways and obnoxious in other ways such as how Big Brother can strip away and corrupt your identity if you do not fit their mold.

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer. (C) enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice; (benthinks> keeping food money under the mattress along with your shotgun may become common.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
(benthinks> I don’t doubt this is hidden somewhere in the language but you try reading all of it.

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring private HC plans under Govt control. ( ..in order to facilitate access of individuals and employers, through a transparent process, to a variety of choices of affordable, quality health insurance coverage, including a public health insurance option.) (benthinks> it will be so transparent that when the warm water creeps to a boil you won’t feel a thing.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange. (The Commissioner shall specify
the benefits to be made available under Exchange-participating health benefits plans during each plan year, ..) (benthinks> he may not be able to negotiate with the Commissioner for a personalize benefit plan for his specific needs.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare! . #AARP members – Your health care WILL be rationed. (..the benefits under a basic plan are modified to provide for the reduced cost-sharing for the income tier applicable to the individual..) (benthinks> excuse me while I try to picture this.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services; Example – Translation for illegal aliens. (COMMUNICATIONS. The entity shall provide for culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services. (benthinks> this may not mean if I go to an emergency room in Mexico they will all speak English.

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. ((1) OUTREACH.The Commissioner shall conduct outreach activities consistent with subsection(c), including through use of appropriate entities as described in paragraph (4) of such subsection, to inform and educate individuals… (benthinks> Where can I hide.

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice. (not elected to enroll in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan is automatically enrolled under Medicaid.) (benthinks> no worries there, it is all the same anyway.

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly. ((LIMITATIONS ON REVIEW. There shall be no administrative or judicial review of a payment rate or methodology established under this ..) (benthinks> maybe we should just not think about such a thing. Ever wonder who will be buying all the Doctors big houses and big boats ? Ever wonder what they may call the medical doctors of the future, maybe ‘medic practitioners’.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make. (( PHYSICIANS.The Secretary shall provide for the annual participation of physicians under the public health insurance option, for which payment may be made for services furnished during the year,) (benthinks> seriously , start saving now for black market medical services.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE. ( AUTOENROLLMENT OF EMPLOYEES.—The employer provides for autoenrollment) (benthinks> is there no where to hide.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families. ((employee who is not a full-time employee, the amount of the minimum employer contribution under this subsection shall be a proportion..) (benthinks> good idea to keep close eye on shop floor just visiting part time employees.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/payroll 400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll. (benthinks> This is the law but outsourcing your loyal employees jobs to China may be your loophole. It has largely proven to be the case nation wide.

Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll. (a small employer for any calendar year, subsection (a) shall be applied by substituting the applicable percentage determined) . (benthinks> so if you thought maybe a lemonade stand and hiring your cousin part time might skirt the issue, sorry.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income. (benthinks> yes that is what it says. If you are having a bad year this tax will help you feel better.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay). ((tax imposed in …Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual who is a nonresident alien.) (benthinks> Illegals are on a tax free holiday all year. I can see a market coming for purchasing an illegal alien’s identity or maybe just making an even trade.

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records. ((shall disclose to officers and employees of the Health Choices Administration or such State-based health insurance exchange, as the case may be, return information of any taxpayer whose income is relevant in determining any affordability credit described in..) (benthinks> this is no joke.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that. (‘‘(4) NOT TREATED AS TAX IMPOSED BY THIS CHAPTER FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES.—The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax) (benthinks> it is simply an expense, a new one you don’t now have.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected. (( (14 (c) LIMITATION ON PHYSICIANS’ SERVICES IN15
CLUDED IN TARGET GROWTH RATE COMPUTATION TO
16 SERVICES COVERED UNDER PHYSICIAN FEE SCHED17
ULE.—Effective for services furnished on or after January
18 1, 2009, section 1848(f)(4)(A) of such Act is amended
19 striking ‘‘(such as clinical’’ and all that follows through
20 ‘‘in a physician’s office’’ and inserting ‘‘for which payment
21 under this part is made under the fee schedule under this
22 section, for services for practitioners described in section
23 1842(b)(18)(C) on a basis related to such fee schedule,
24 or for services described in section 1861(p) (other than) )
(benthinks> please show me where it say something different.
VerDate Nov

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same. ‘‘(B) All other services not described in subparagraph (A).
Service categories established under this paragraph
shall apply without regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.’’.) (benthinks> if this is the case maybe the author of this bill should schedule their brain surgery while having their colonoscopy. ;0)

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans. (
6 ‘‘(i) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary
7 shall establish a process to validate relative
8 value units under the fee schedule under
9 subsection (b).
10 ‘‘(ii) COMPONENTS AND ELEMENTS
11 OF WORK.—The process described in
12 clause (i) may include validation of work
13 elements (such as time, mental effort and
14 professional judgment, technical skill and
15 physical effort, and stress due to risk) in
16 volved with furnishing a service and may
17 include validation of the pre, post, and
18 intra-service components of work.) (benthinks> this has to take all the fun out of health care.

PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries. (2 SEC. 1131. INCORPORATING PRODUCTIVITY IMPROVE3
MENTS INTO MARKET BASKET UPDATES
THAT DO NOT ALREADY INCORPORATE SUCH
IMPROVEMENTS. (a) OUTPATIENT HOSPITALS.—
IN GENERAL.—The first sentence of section
1833(t)(3)(C)(iv) of the Social Security Act (42
U.S.C. 1395l(t)(3)(C)(iv)) is amended—
(A) by inserting ‘‘(which is subject to the
productivity adjustment described in subclause
(II) of such section)’’ after ‘‘1886(b)(3)(B)(iii)’’; and
(B) by inserting ‘‘(but not below 0)’’ after ‘‘reduced’’.
(benthinks> I take it back, this ‘must be’ the fun part.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs. (benthinks> No big deal , just outsource this one to GM, government motors.

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing! (benthinks> this helps save big bucks on your cancer treatment related services. Say an extra prayer and best of luck.

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (after October 1, 2011, in order
to account for excess readmissions in the hospital, the Secretary shall reduce the payments that would otherwise be made to such hospital under subsection) (benthinks> If sent home then you develop a staff infection I expect they will now find a way to treat it over the phone.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission – Govt will penalize you. (9 (C) applying a payment reduction for physicians who treat the patient during the initial admission that results in a readmission; and
(D) methods for attributing payments or payment reductions to the appropriate physician or physicians. (benthinks> this is a guaranteed nightmare.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own. ((
13 ‘‘(B) PROHIBITION ON PHYSICIAN OWNER14SHIP OR INVESTMENT.—The percentage of the total value of the ownership or investment interests held in the hospital, or in an entity whose assets include the hospital, by physician owners or investors in the aggregate does not exceed such percentage as of the date of enactment of this subsection.21 ‘‘(C) PROHIBITION ON EXPANSION OF Facility…. ((benthinks> The MD’s should only invest in used golf clubs and drugs that help them forget why they became a doctor.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating ‘hospitals cannot expand’. ((benthinks> good deal for the system because if you die while waiting on a bed it does reduce the cost of healthcare.

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!! (‘‘(ii) OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT.) . Page 407(B) FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.—
The Secretary shall give priority to applicants
that have developed partnerships with community organizations or) (benthinks> this new word ‘community’ occurs many times in this bill and it now has a prominent place in our healthcare. Kind of gives me the creeps.

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing. (..Act of 2008 (Public Law 110–275) and shall provide preference to measures collected on and comparable to measures used in measuring quality) (benthinks> This is plain and simple heavy duty rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in two Govt plan.
(‘‘(iv) AUTHORITY TO DISQUALIFY
4 CERTAIN PLANS.—In applying clauses (ii)
5 and (iii), the Secretary may determine not
6 to identify a Medicare Advantage plan if
7 the Secretary has identified deficiencies in
8 the plan’s compliance with rules for such
9 plans under this part.
(benthinks> the Govt plan can replace any plan any time and you have no recourse, not one.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! (
3 SEC. 1177. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY OF SPECIAL NEEDS
4 PLANS TO RESTRICT ENROLLMENT.
5 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 1859(f)(1) of the Social
6 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w–28(f)(1)) is amended by
7 striking ‘‘January 1, 2011’’ and inserting ‘‘January 1,
8 2013 (or January 1, 2016, in the case of a plan described
9 in section 1177(b)(1) of the America’s Affordable Health
10 Choices Act of 2009)’’. ( (benthinks> how could there not be something deceiving here?

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone? (Telehealth Advisory Committee) (benthinks> maybe this is where I get advise over the phone on how to cure the staff infection I got while in the hospital.

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life. (benthinks> I would suggest modifying your living will. Statement #1 tell the Govt HC brown shirt folks to buzz off.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory! . (benthinks> I would suggest modifying your living will. Statement #1 tell the Govt HC brown shirt folks to buzz off.

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. . (benthinks> you need to read this carefully, we can not make this stuff up.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
8 ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
9 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
10 program that—
11 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
12 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
13 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
14 orders to physicians and other health profes15
sionals that … may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
benthinks> you may not actually want the Govt signing off on your life sustaining treatment.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates. (1 ‘‘ A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
treatment or a similar order.
‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual.,) benthinks> Can you begin to imagine what families may go though while these orders are being formulated by the government?

PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV. (regarding ‘life sustaining’ treatment means, with respect
to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
the treatment of that individual that—
‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
professional (as specified by the Secretary and who
is acting within the scope of the professional’s
authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant)
benthinks> As I read this the Govt is giving the OK for a medic practitioner to sign my life away.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
benthinks> As I read this the Govt is giving the OK for a medic practitioner to sign my life away.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
15 ‘‘(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
16 ‘‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.’’.
18 (2) PAYMENT.—Section 1848(j)(3) of such Act
19 (42 U.S.C. 1395w–4(j)(3)) is amended by inserting
20 ‘‘(2)(FF),’’ after ‘‘(2)(EE),’’.
21 (3) FREQUENCY LIMITATION.—Section 1862(a)
22 of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395y(a)) is amended—
23 (A) in paragraph (1)—
24 (i) in subparagraph (N), by striking
25 ‘‘and’’ at the end;
VerDate Nov 24 2008 00:08 Jul 15, 2009 Jkt 079200 PO 00000 Frm 00430 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\H3200.IH H3200 jlentini on DSKJ8SOYB1PROD with BILLSbenthinks> IN OTHER WORDS at the end; you’re a goner. Also they may have not wasted the last dose of morphine on you being you were almost a goner anyway.

Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
benthinks> lot of new jobs on horizon. I can see it now, associate degree in medic practitioner, brown shirts and cargo pants with big pockets full of drugs just for you.

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN? (home services provided by the community based medical home (such as providing increased access, care coordination, care plan setting, population disease management, and teaching self-care skills for managing chronic illnesses) benthinks> Please note the word ‘community’ is for a fact found 106 times in this health care bill. Kind of makes you wonder if any community organizers had some input into this. Rather than over doing one work, community could have easily be replaced with commune or village.

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.
benthinks> President Clinton and Hilary are hard at work on the draft of how this should work. Can’t wait!

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs.
benthinks> Well if the Govt is covering all Health Svcs why would this not be included?

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I can not make this stuff up. It is in the bill, read it. Oh yes it is a great idea for the lawmakers voting on this to read it also, don’t you think?
~ William Ben Pearson

Here’s the full Health Care bill that currently sits in the House of Representatives in Congress.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

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I find name calling a reaction to being so wrong! But love your silly reactions! This is my country and I was very proud of it! This man is a front man for his Czars and he will destroy to Repubic! India will look like club med when he gets finished!

I think a lot of you are getting tied up in this left right paradigm. It is not that big pharma is the answer either. In fact both sides of this debate for one of the first times ends in the average person getting screwed. look at how it is now we go to our doctors they call the insurance company they are told what to treat the sickness with.
That is rationing, we are paying a bunch of greedy people to take our money and say everything is pre-existing or hang up on us after being told we should have been able to read and understand the legalese of the agreements. On the other side we risk having what Briton has which is the worlds 3rd bigest company that helps no one and does not allow expensive treatments.

Either path leads to destruction as with allot of things these days. but if I were to pick one i would say let us make our own choices, as for the rest of you read the bill most of these points on this page is real.

I do not agree with this bill, nor do I agree with the way things are. big pharma stop being so greedy, and care for your customers so this doesn’t happen. as for this bill reform it to actually include people that need medical assistance and stop promoting eugenics and leave the private sector out of it and it might be worth looking into as it stands. it is bloated overreaching and kind of sick, and I don’t see how a sick bill is supposed to help the sick.

I disagree with this bill, however I don’t see any suggestions! I have an idea stop giving the unearned income tax credit and apply it toward their medical insurance or medicaid benefits they may have received. Let’s give options on how to fix what is broken ss, medicaid and medicare programs so they may leave the rest of us alone and stop taxing the citizens for their misuse of funds! I’m sorry but I believe that you can’t complain unless you have a solution.

Speak up America and don’t let anyone intimadate you ever! Hold the elite elected officials feet to the fire (even if they could careless about us) go to townhall meetings!
Opinions, yes we all have them. Solutions? Here is a solution get the illegals off the medical, employment and school rolls, now that would save this country!
God help America!

How about some of these idea. As you say don’t complain unless you have some ideas. Well these ideas, as pertinent as they are will never float as they are conservative in nature and take away government control!

President Barack Obama consistently accuses Americans who are skeptical about his health care plan of supporting the stats quo. Like much of what Obama says about health care, this simply isn’t true. Whole Foods co-founder and CEO has a must-read op-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal outlining eight market friendly health care reforms including:

Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs).
Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits.
Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines.
Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover.
Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost.
Enact Medicare reform.
Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren’t covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.

ok how about a bill that regulates insurance period. I mean a full sweep the way it is right now the only law they have regulating them is they have to make a profit. from home to health insurance needs reform maybe they should perhaps stop trying to form a monopoly, but instead come up with a bill that limits insurance loop holes. It should mandate the priority of care for the policy holder rather than forcing the industry to only rake profits. ask anyone from hurricane Katrina had insurance not screwed everyone over FEMA would not have had to put out so much money. As I said before the treatments being turned down because their not cost effective for the companies. the government should force pre-existing conditions to be treated, and force companies to apply the treatments that’s are the most effective not the most cost effective. then let the market decide who’s the best company.

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check the facts

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/