Simple Question: What passport did the young Barry Obama use when he was traveling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?
From the patriots at We The People:
It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
I’m not an Obama Birth Certificate Truther by any means…but I do think it interesting and somewhat puzzling why he won’t simply release his vault birth certificate.
1) It was not illegal to travel to Pakistan in 1981. Indeed, I recently saw a PDF of a document from the State Department explaining the necessary process for traveling to Pakistan.
2) It is not illegal for an American to travel on a passport of another country. Good example would be American Jews with Israeli passports, and Americans who have Vatican passports.
3) Dual citizenship does not interfere with someone’s status as a natural born citizen, whether that dual citizenship was acquired at birth or at a later date.
Personally, I think Obama ought to release that birth certificate, too. But nothing in the email you received does anything to undermine his status as a natural born US Citizen.
I’m not convinced by the email. I agree however the failure to release his vault copy certificate of live birth likely means he is hiding something. I say 45% chance he was not born in the U.S., 45% chance he is hiding something else, 10% chance he is just being stubborn and does not want to release the document. Rather incredible that the media and most people aware of the issue don’t show much curiousity about this. I voted for Obama, fully aware of the birth certificate issue by the way, albeit not with great enthusiasm.
You should look at discoverthenetworks.org and open your eyes to the connections to the Communist Party/Socialists etc operating as a shadow government,albeit over 100 memebrs of Congress are Socialists of America w/a direct link to the CPUSA.Most of the Media owners are also Socialists, so, is it any wonder that all one hears is how wonderful their Manchurian Candidate puppet is???
I agree with you on this one!
What is the big deal about releasing your birth certificate?
Unless there is something wrong with it.
I think the e-mail is false accd to snopes…
Re: “the failure to release his vault copy certificate of live birth likely means he is hiding something.”
The reason he does not release the vault copy of his birth certificate, which shows that he was born in Hawaii, is that he cannot release it.
Hawaii sends out only the short-form Certification of Live Birth. http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html
So, unless Obama has kept a copy of the original, saved by his parents from the time of birth, and not lost it–and many of us do lose our original birth certificates–then all that he can show or post is the document that Hawaii sent him. Hawaii sends out only the short-form Certification to eveyone.
How about the group that used the Freedom of Information Act to compel Occidental College to reveal how Obama received his financial aid grant?
INDONESIA!!In Obama’s own handwriting
So, unless Obama has kept a copy of the original, saved by his parents from the time of birth, and not lost it–and many of us do lose our original birth certificates–then all that he can show or post is the document that Hawaii sent him. Hawaii sends out only the short-form Certification to eveyone.
The head of Hawaii’s records said that a copy of the original of Obama’s birth certificate was kept in their vault.
The claims in the email sound beyond dubious. It was illegal to travel to Pakistan in 1981????
When we were helping the Taliban via Pakistan and sending CIA agents there?!?
http://www.chowk.com/articles/6843
Sounds like more BS to try to fan the flames of bogus speculation about Obama’s birthplace.
What you experience today is the Socialist-owners’ AP,and all major media spouting that “Hawaii” officials have “confirmed” that he was born there..so I say to them SHOW THE VAULT certificate then! Remember that a Socialist/Marxist runs Hawaii, as well as more peppered within the U.S. and the US Congress has more than 100 members of Congress that are members of the Socialists of the US(Linked to the Communist Party).So HOW will anyone get a truthful answer from this joke of a government-controlled puppet Media? Nyet! Even Pravda agrees!
Kenya got independence from the British in 1963. His father was likely a British citizen or British Overseas Citizen (which I don’t think gives one the right to reside in the UK but does give one a British Passport) since he was born in Kenya during British rule. If his father was a British citizen then it is possible that Obama could claim British citizenship (or British Overseas Citizenship) through his father which would have given him a British passport.
It is also possible that after independence in Kenya his father could have obtained Kenyan citizenship which would likely have given Obama the right to Kenyan citizenship through his father (as is the case in many countries in Africa particularly before 1981). So he could have also traveled on a Kenyan passport.
Both cases are likely even if he wasn’t born outside of the United States. There is also the possibility of whether or not dual citizenship with the US and possibly the UK (or Kenya) were allowed at that time. My guess is no but I could be wrong. Is it possible that he could relinquish UK or US citizenship for Indonesian that either one or both (US/UK) did not recognise that? I don’t recall what the US law was at that time. And/or later he could have relinquished Indonesian in favour of US.
However I have to admit that the laws of citizenship can get very convoluted and certain laws only apply during certain windows of time. One does first need to know what passport he traveled on to Pakistan and then research it from there. Undoubtedly there is something to question here and substantial research required.