Gary James Johnson
UPDATE: Justice has been served. He’s dead.
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I grew up about 30 minutes south of Huntsville, TX (in Conroe), where Texas carries out the death penalty. During my senior year in high school (1986) the murder of 28-year-old James Hazelton and 23-year-old Peter Sparagana at a ranch in Huntsville was a big story.
Gary James Johnson, along with his brother Terry Johnson, were convicted of those murders, which happened after Hazelton (who was the ranch manager) and Sparagana caught the Johnson brothers in the act of burglarizing the Triple Creek Ranch.
Each victim was shot three times with at least two different pistols.
Gary Johnson had once been employed at the ranch.
Terry Johnson, struck a deal with prosecutors that spared him from the death penalty, in exchange for testifying against Gary Johnson. Gary, on the other hand, was sentenced to death. Nearly 24 years ago.
But on Tuesday evening, January 12, 2010, just shortly after 6:00 p.m. Huntsville-time, Gary Johnson will finally pay for his crimes when he is executed by the state of Texas.
From the trial:
Randy Johnson [another one of Gary's brothers] testified that Gary told him of the events that transpired at the Triple Creek Ranch. Gary told Randy that he (Gary) and Terry were out at the Triple Creek to steal something when two men “got the drop on them.” While Terry distracted them, Gary shot one of the men. Gary and Terry caught the other man, brought him back to the barn, made him kneel, and tied his hands behind his back. While the second man pleaded for mercy, Gary shoved the gun in his mouth. The medical examiner later testified that the second man died from a contact bullet wound to the mouth.
You know, I think that’s a rotten deal. If the brother can pin his brother to the crime then he should be going too, obviously he was there. IF the other brother had any balls at all he would say take me too. Puss! You both did it together, you both go down for it together. Chicken Shit!
Would you rather have both go free instead of one striking a deal with the prosecutor to testify against the other? I wouldn’t.
I’d like to know what took so long. Why is this guy still alive?
I am no by any means implying they should let them go. That wasn’t what I was trying to say.
I know but that is what it comes down to. He wasn’t going to pin his brother to the crime unless they offered him a deal. Mere presence at the scene of a crime is not enough to convict someone.
The anti meme is that the other brother was the trigger man. However, it was Gary who bragged to several people about murdering these two young men and who disposed of the weapons.
Well, at least the brother was sentenced to 99 years for participating in these murders, though no telling how much the sentence will be reduced due to possible probation.
I’m so sad for the victims — at 23 and 28, these young men had the potential of a long and productive lifetime stolen from them for no reason whatsoever. I hope their families have been able to heal (though they will probably never heal completely) and that they will find some level of peace and comfort.
The Tuesday execution = taking out the garbage.
Without looking at the record of appeals and reviews, I find it hard to believe that this cretin has delayed his punishment for 24 years.
It seems he hasn’t used that time to court the affection of the scumpal crowd. While being consistent in their disdain for the victim’s and their families, their tepid responses so far indicate he wasn’t a major idol.
It must be because he isn’t a honey-glazed pecan praline potion.
Hope it doesn’t a tract another squadron of flying monkeys from euroweenieland.
Huntsville’s getting kind of slow this year–they only have six executions lined up through March counting Mosley’s successful “termination”.
NO euroweenies this time….he is white. They wouldn’t be able to call us racist for anxiously awaiting this execution.
Justice serverd no matter the color, age, sex…..GOD BLESS TEXAS!
Texas takes care of business. Unlike Calif. where death row serial killers Randy Kraft. David Carpenter, Richard Ramirez and Lawrence Bittacker responsible for over 100 murders in total have a greater chance of dying of old age then of being executed. Carpenter is 80 years old and been on death row since 1983.
Yep. There’s also a draw back when a defendant is charged with a huge number of murders in that it makes the trial and appeals much longer.
People forget how much fear Carpenter and Ramirez caused at the time.
I remember the whole Ramirez thing like it was last week. I vividly remember what I was doing the day that group of people got him and beat the shit out of him. The first man to start at him should have killed him. Justifiable Homicide. Instead, he has 3 hots and a cot, medical and dental.
Yes, California needs to clean house.
As a side note, he’s was born and raised in El Paso, TX and moved to Cali at age 18.
Oh, I remember the Ramirez nightmare well, too. I don’t know how anyone in the areas where all those murders were committed were able to ever sleep at night. It was so unpredictable who the next victims would be (unlike with other serial killers, in this case there was no common victim profile). The capture of Ramirez was uniquely satisfactory because a segment of the populace whom this jerk terrorized was able to directly participate, as a community, in his apprehension. I am certain that the beating they administered to him in subduing him was quite therapeutic.
Oh, and what IS the hold-up with executions in California? I have never understood that.
Urban myth. A crowd did corner him and followed him to a house. When the police arrived, he was sitting on the front steps smoking a cigarette, unharmed.
The cause of the hold up is Judge Jeremy Fogel, USDC, Northern California, leftard.
I’m looking at youtube clips allegedly near the time of his arrest and his head is bandaged. Again, I got my info from a very good source back around the time of his arrest.
Hello! How are you all? Now then, almost a quarter of a century after a crime was committed an offender faces execution…
Yeah, it’s horrible how these bastards drag it out and then turn around and whine that it took too long.
Just a small comment from a euroweenie. Murder is murder, right? You’re murdering a murderer. Why don’t you just keep him in jail for the rest of his miserable life? Nobody has the right to take another man’s life, and that should include texas jury’s and texas lawmakers. Don’t you have enough faith in your justice system to put this man in jail for the rest of his life? Are you scared or are you just out for revenge? We (Europo) stopped executing people ages ago and our murder rates are much lower than yours. How does that work?
No, weenie, we are executing a murderer.
For the millionth time, all murder is killing, not all killing is murder.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
We have so much faith in our system of justice, we sleep soundly knowing that when a cretin like this is executed, he can never do so again. Not to an innocent rancher, another inmate, or a prison guard.
We aren’t Europe, and what’s more, we here in Texas would never want to be.
The better question is why jail him for the rest of his life when we can execute him? And it’s because we have faith in our justice system, we do so.
How come you euroweenies have no respect for innocent victims and prepare to be fluffers for murderers?
p.s.: Europe stopped executing people to protect their war criminals after WW2.
The better question is why jail him for the rest of his life when we can execute him? And it’s because we have faith in our justice system, we do so.
I meant: what are you scared of when the murderer is in jail for the rest of his life?
How come you euroweenies have no respect for innocent victims and prepare to be fluffers for murderers?
No respect, what do you mean? Like being in jail for life, solitary 23 hours, maximum security (like DR) is a joke.
Europe stopped executing people to protect their war criminals after WW2
Eh, we reinstated it just for the cause of punishing certain war criminals after WW2 (Nurnberg etc). I liked what they did to Hess better.
And what if an executed offender proves innocent after the execution? I thing you had this guy Willington (fire, kids died). Oeps! We in the Netherlands had some wrongful convictions in the recent past. DNA testing, which was not available in the past proved their innocence. I’m glad we could free this guys and say: so sorry.
I meant: what are you scared of when the murderer is in jail for the rest of his life?
Assumes a fact not in evidence, i.e., we are “scared.”
No respect, what do you mean? Like being in jail for life, solitary 23 hours, maximum security (like DR) is a joke.
No like the average 15 year sentences (often much less) you fluffers impose for murder with vacations and furloughs.
Eh, we reinstated it just for the cause of punishing certain war criminals after WW2 (Nurnberg etc). I liked what they did to Hess better.
No, you outlawed it in the early 50s because too many war criminals were being executed. You liked that a mass murderer war criminal like Hess was allowed to live out his days with visits from his family, a private nurse, until he was in his 90s? Of course you would, fluffer!
The thing this Fluffer doesn’t understand is why you want to lower yourself to the standards of these criminals. And i really think the criminal is better of dead than being in a cell for the rest of his life. Anyway, I don’t think we’ll ever agree on the subject. I’m just curious what makes you think and act the way you do.
The thing this Fluffer doesn’t understand is why you want to lower yourself to the standards of these criminals.
Again, assumes a fact not in evidence, i.e., we are lowering ourselves. Frankly, you are the ones who have lowered yourselves to common murderers. Both you and murderers think they should get away with it.
And i really think the criminal is better of dead than being in a cell for the rest of his life.
One, what you think is irrelevant. Two, 99.9% of those on deathrow disagree with you otherwise they wouldn’t fight tooth and nail to not be executed.
Anyway, I don’t think we’ll ever agree on the subject. I’m just curious what makes you think and act the way you do.
I guarantee that I will never agree with you. And no, you’re not curious as to our views. You thought you could come here and post the same old lame arguments and miraculously, we would become fluffers like you. No, thanks.
You aren’t concerned about that, you are only trying to be insulting.
At least we can agree on that. If you haven’t been paying attention, and all indications seem to be that you haven’t, the EU commission on human rights is considering the notion that life in prison is a violation of said rights. That is the next step for those who are anti-death penalty, the removal of life without parole. You should know that LWP versus life is showing a sharp increase in your country, the Netherlands.
Our state, our culture, our laws. There has never been a poll taken in this state where the vast majority of our citizens were not in favor of the dp. Conversely, in many European countries polls indicate the majority of citizens wish for its return, but the politicians won’t allow it.
Something for you to ponder, this graph from the Bureau of Criminal Justice. Take note that the death penalty was suspended in this country from 1968 until 1976.
No2Liberals, i’m really not trying to insult you, i’m trying to understand. This is a discussion forum, right?
The EU commission can consider a lot, what i see in the daily papers is that LWP is given more and more.
Protecting people who have to work there (in maximum security prisons with LWP prisoners), the guards, pfff, it’s like the army, they choose to work there.
It is true a big minority of the dutch (you must be the webmaster) are pro DP, but it’s still a minority and to change the law (we are a democracy, as you are) 2/3 of the votes are needed. That’s not going to happen. And i’m glad, i wouldn’t want to carry the responsibility (as you are). I would emigrate.
And your murder rates. My god, nobody is commenting on that, but they are enormous. In texas (or for that matter the whole of the USA) murder rates are much (10x) higher then in western Europe. That must have something to do with your gun laws, poverty (every men for his own, very bad social security) but it also shows the death penalty is no deterrent, in my humble opinion.
If you look at the FBI murder rates 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate), you’ll see the most murderous cities are both in state with and without the death penalty. It does not matter. What DOES matter is people getting a change, governments actually doing something for the lower social groups, good schooling, stuff like that.
One, no, lwop is not given more and more.
Two, no correctional officers to not choose to die. You sound as callous as the murderers.
Three, you’ll never change the law because you are a bunch of pussies. I remember how you cowered when Van Gogh had his head cut off. One of the first things you pussies did is remove a mural of a dove painted a couple of blocks from a mosque because you pussies thought it would offend the muzzies.
There is a high murder rate in certain segments of our population only. And unlike you europussies, we don’t go batshit crazy every couple of generations and start wars killing tens of millions of people, we don’t capitulate, we don’t collaborate, we don’t send Jews to camps to be murdered, and we don’t abolish the death penalty to protect the murderers.
And poverty does not cause people to become murderers. That’s sick. And in fact, during difficult economic times, crime goes down. So much for your pussy social science theories. Also, the so called poor in the US have so much it is an embarrassment: free education, free health care, $100 sneakers, DVDs, flat screen TVs, computers, games, etc. You want poverty? Look at some of these other nations.
As far as your social security – it’s dependent on importing the very people who will destroy your culture and eventually you. Have fun with it.
Again, there have been numerous studies that the DP is a deterrent.
And no the murder rate is not dependent on government. It is the individual who makes the decision to murder.
Obama sucks. The idiots who voted for him have realized he is intent on destroying this country. His days are numbered.
They need jobs like any worth while person and they provide a valuable service to our society. Their lives are not forfeit because they are employed in a correction facility, and having been in law enforcement, with many friends in corrections, I am furious and outraged that you show absolutely no concern for their well being.
HOW DARE YOU?
You have just stated that the value of a human life(a corrections officer) that belongs to an honest working man or woman is worth less than that of an inmate who has murdered another human being.
That is without a doubt the most calloused and reprehensible comment I can imagine, and you want to lecture anonymous on his being angry? You have displayed here an animus to decent society that is more closely identified with the same animus murderers and rapist exhibit.
You don’t have to, the EUSSR controls all laws and trade in Europe and to be a member of the EU it is required that the dp be repealed. Your country is no longer sovereign and you don’t have a choice in the matter. Y’all deserve the government you have now.
As for the murder rates in this country, while they may be higher than in Europe, they are declining, and personally, I prefer the freedoms we have, as well as the responsibilities that come with it, such as jury duty.
Our gun laws actually prevent crime, not cause it.
Two of the most extensive scientific research projects conducted on this are:
More Guns, Less Crime.
Defensive Gun Use Statistics(pdf).
While there are many causes that are identified for murder, you will find it is primarily confined to certain areas of large metropolitan areas, those who are most vulnerable and competing drug gangs.
We also have two very long borders that are difficult to control, especially the southern border, and the people that cross that border illegally are responsible for a significant portion of all crime, with violent crime being a particular problem.
The Netherlands is a small country which is still mostly homogeneous. Good luck with that, though, with almost all EU countries being required to accept massive immigration of muslims who have no intention of assimilating or acculturating. If I had to live in your country I would be a huge Geert Wilders supporter.
As for government solving our problems, I disagree, they are the source of most of our problems. All I want government to do is build and maintain the highways, regulate international and interstate commerce, provide for our national defense, protect our international interests, and leave me the fuck alone. I am one of the ones who prefers freedom and liberty above all else, and there is less of those two elements when government expands. I do not feel it is my responsibility to provide for those who refuse to work, and compassion in the form of cash payouts is a path to destruction of the state, as well as individual character.
I am neither an ageist, racist or a sexist, I am a behaviorist. I do not tolerate bad behavior for long, and will not tolerate the worst kind of behavior, murder, at all.
“You have just stated that the value of a human life (a corrections officer) that belongs to an honest working man or woman is worth less than that of an inmate who has murdered another human being.”
You are absolutely, 100% correct. I am very glad you took the time to thoroughly address this. I was so dismayed by the cavalier attitude conveyed by the specific comment to which you were responding.
I agree: The comment most certainly demonstrates a greater value being placed upon the convicted murderer’s life than the value that is placed upon the correctional officer’s life. The dismissive tone (“pfff”) indicates that the loss of a correctional officer’s life is relatively unimportant and a “non-issue” — simply because these officers CHOOSE to fulfill these duties. As you already stated, SOMEONE has to assume responsibility for these duties. Where would we be without people to fulfill these roles? These are tough roles to fill, to be sure. The least we can do is show these people a bit of respect. (And a lack of concern about their safety most assuredly does not equate to respect.)
If NO ONE freely chose to accept responsibility for these duties, then how in the world could the penal system support so many prisoners serving LWOP?
It is certainly easy to sit in one’s ivory tower and prescribe to other people dangerous and dirty work. But it definitely shows the cracks in the marble casing to then turn around and show absolutely zero respect for the sanctity of the lives of those who actually do the dangerous and dirty work one is prescribing.
I have a proposal: How about those who want to permanently house the most dangerous and violent offenders step up and assume the responsibility for guarding them? We will need more guards than we currently have. These new guards would need to commit to this role for a lifetime since there would be an ever-expanding population serving LWOP if the DP is abolished.
Furthermore, we cannot forget that those on DR and those serving LWOP are ALSO there by choice. They CHOSE to commit actions that made them a menace to society by taking an innocent human life. Why should the lives of murderers (who, again, are there BY CHOICE by doing harm to society) be valued more highly than correctional officers (who are also there by choice to PROTECT society)? Because that is essentially what it boils down to . . .
Tracy, is it any wonder that those with that attitude are opposed to the DP?
No2,
Well, call me slow on the uptake or what-have-you, but I still, for the life of me, do not understand this attitude. Yes, here I am all this time later STILL wondering how ANYONE could possibly be more concerned about protecting the lives of murderers than protecting the innocent lives of correctional officers.
I have sincerely and thoroughly considered every point that those who oppose the DP have brought to the table. I do respect that people have the right to hold different opinions, but what I find offensive is the holier-than-thou attitude that is usually (though not always) displayed, as well as the dismissive attitude regarding the safety of prison personnel (there are other workers, aside from correctional officers who are also exposed to danger).
I originally came to this website about a year-and-a-half ago, after reading about a particular case that disturbed and haunted me much more than the “typical” murder case usually does. Before this, I had never read any online forums discussing the DP and had never even questioned my stance on this issue (which, since childhood, has always been pro for violent murderers, in cases where there is NO DOUBT of the identity of the murderer). I have since done some research to determine if my original stance of supporting the DP for violent murderers was ethical and valid. I have thoroughly examined my conscience and all the arguments for and against, and my position on this issue still stands.
I am surprised that no one has mentioned how natural disasters could result in prison breaks, allowing the most dangerous criminals society has placed behind bars the freedom to roam the streets, once again preying upon innocent victims. For anyone who does not believe that this can happen, just look at Haiti . . . Yes, that can even happen here in the US at one of our super-max prisons in the aftermath of a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, etc. The only way to ensure that a violent murderer who has proven that s/he is a threat to society never murders again is to use the DP.
Oh, one more thing . . . We can never predict what future legislation will be passed that overturns LWOP sentences and allows these dangerous criminals to become eligible for parole. I have read too many cases of murderers released from prison due to some legal technicality (NOT because they were proven innocent), who then went on to murder AGAIN. It is these types of news articles that originally convinced me the DP is a good thing and continue to enforce my opinion that the DP is the best way to protect future victims.
Tracy, I don’t think you are slow at all, just meticulous. It shows you are a reasonable person.
There is no escaping the realization that too many of the people we encounter here on DP issues aren’t reasonable, at all.
To be honest, I first came here after seeing a news feed about a pending execution, a little over two years ago. I had always supported the DP without question, and have looked into the eyes of murderers when I was in law enforcement. I was unaware of the extent of the death row fans and groupies, as well as the forums on them. It has been an eye opening lesson, and have read more on this issue in the past two years than on any other single subject. Being able to converse with so many who are well informed, as well as being able to counter those who are opposed to it under any circumstances, required it.
In the instance of the comment I made to willem above, that was low hanging fruit. The obvious disdain for anyone’s safety, other than the murderer is an example of a person with a disturbed view of humanity.
We should be helping and loving each other, which includes the responsibility of removing from our midst those who threaten our peace and security.
Individually, I wish no one harm in any way. As a member of a community and society at large, I gladly accept my responsibilities, even if it means ending the life of some one who has murdered.
I have said it before, once a human crosses a threshold, they will never be the same and find it easier to do so in the future. Murder is a threshold that should not be crossed, nor tolerated.
I dont really like this subject, but isnt an eye for an eye pretty straight forward?
Then why comment?
In any event, no one likes you anyway…really.
LOL!! NO2, I want you to know I love to read anything you write. I admire your knowledge, your wisdom and your insight. I agree with every point you make as well.
One thing you have never done though is make me laugh outloud really hard as you just did with:
I am truly a fan of yours!
I appreciate that, LA Guy.
I haven’t written much in the last few months, as the meat world has been keeping me quite busy.
I have posted at another blog for a number of years. If you are ever bored and want to read some tales, you can find them here. Start from the bottom for the oldest.
I agree with you LA Guy. NO2 is very well informed, writes extremely insightful comments and I love when he puts Steven in his place.
Do you mean attempts to insult? He doesn’t like it that I am allowed an opinion different than his, apparently.
I hope that some of you will take the time to look at the link at the bottom of the page. Very interesting. Gives both pro and anti death penalty folks something to think about. I am Pro. I worked those old cell blocks for 25 years. Gives you a whole different perspective.
The problem with life without parole is, who is going to be willing to watch a bunch of criminals that have absolutely nothing to lose. Kill an inmate or an Officer? So what! Give me another life without parole. I think in, smokin’ gun, beyond the shadow of a doubt case, the execution should take place in 1 year, or less.
…Mild Bill…
http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblegames/trivia/sgquiz19.htm
Thanks Mild Bill.
I got all correct except for #10. I do feel sorry for folks that do bad things, it just never stopped me from knowing what the right thing to do was.
I was in law enforcement for a number of years, and have had a number of friends who served in state and federal corrections facilities. One of them served at Leavenworth and was a witness in the first murder trial of the infamous Tommy Silverstein. Thanks for being there for us, and for staying safe all that time.
I, and others, agree with you about the danger inmates with dp or lwp sentences pose to guards, as well as other inmates.
I don’t see why we’re still executing people when it’s not benefiting society at all. It costs more money to carry out appealing, defense attorneys, and executions than it does to just keep them in prison for life without parole, and that is our tax dollars paying for all of this. Executions also are not a crime deterrent. Shouldn’t we spend our money on public education and recreational facilities rather than the death penalty? What do we want to teach our children, to take revenge on others? Just think about it…
Society indeeds benefit in that there is a documented deterrent factor in that the murderer never murders again and in the population in general in that for every execution deaths are prevented. If there were more executions more innocent lives would be saved. So, shame on you.
As to the cost of appeals, we can afford it. Abolish the death penalty and the money will just be transferred to the cost of trials because guilty defendants will no longer plead guilty without the death penalty hanging over their heads. Plus, the lefty losers have been plotting for years to get lwop and life sentences abolished, too. So, there will be putting all their resources to overturning those laws, too.
I want to teach my children that if you take a life, you forfeit your own.
I’ve thought about it. It’s you who hasn’t thought about it, honey. You’re just mouthing lefty memes.
You need more info Emily, and less emotion.
That seems more than a little beneficial too me.
Here are seven scientific studies that show the death penalty is a deterrent.
There is a significant difference between a legal execution and revenge.
I do, however, think revenge has gotten a lot of bad press.
What a lot of people don’t know about Gary Johnson, I only recently found out for myself. While incarcerated on Death Row at the Ellis Unit, sometime before 1999, a female officer found a stash of drugs belonging to another inmate. The inmate and a few of his friends decided to ‘take out’ this female officer, each armed with approx 8″ long ’shanks’. (Icepick like weapons). As these inmates came after her, Johnson got between them and the officer and took a severe beating to save the life of this “100 pound girl” as he put it. He was kicked repeatedly and so severely in the face that he lost the use of one eye completely and only had limited vision in his remaining eye. He had a broken jaw, broken ribs and a broken arm. But the officer is alive and still works for TDC to the best of my knowledge. Yes Johnson, desreved his sentence for his original crime. But in my eyes, he showed a type of courage that few ‘free’ men have these days. For that he has (had) my respect and gratitude. I had the pleasure of calling him Mr. Johnson before he died. People in prison rarely are or deserve to be called an honorific as simple as Mister. Gary Johnson earned that respect in my eyes. Vaya con Dios Mr. Johnson. God sees everything.
And your source for that heroic story is????
None of his attys ever argued that he attempted to save a CO at his clemency hearing. Nor, was it ever reported in any media source.
Boy, you are gullible.
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(Numbers 35:31)
And you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death. But he shall surely be put to death.
(Numbers 35:33)
So you shall not defile the land in which you are. For blood defiles the land. And the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of him that shed it.
That sounds pretty straight forward. To bad all the liberals don’t want to follow it, cause they are to damn busy making excuses for them. And the rest of us pay the price.
Strawman I actually read some information about Mr Johnson… I also read the final minutes before he died and the image I got was a frail looking man full of emotion… I have researched a little more into the death penalty but I cannot understand the justification for applying it. It appears from reading a majority of these posts that revenge is paramount… I do agree that an individual should be punished for committing a crime, but to die I cannot accept. There is a song that I have often sang in church… ‘the vilest offender who truley believes, that moment from Jesus a pardon recieves…’
Funny, the image I got was of two young men being forced to kneel while your boyfriend stuck a gun into their faces and pulled the trigger.
The justification for the dp is that it is the law of the land. Don’t like it? Good.
What I get from reading your posts and the other murderer lovers is that you crave attention and identify with murderers and not innocent victims.
Oh how nieve you are… Anyway I have said what I wanted to… God Bless you Anon and I hope you have a nice day!
Actually, it’s naive, which I suggest applies to you.
There are justifications for the death penalty going back to God’s covenant with Noah and creation in Genesis.
Nothing Jesus said or did abrogated the Old Testament.
NO2LIBERALS merely called you naive. I think you’re an idiot.
Well, he is dead: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/12/us/AP-US-Texas-Execution.html
Uh, we were aware of that over 13 hours ago.
As a self-professed “euroweenie” with relatives living in San Antonio, Texas I can say that we really are worlds apart on this issue.
Us Brits and Americans may have this great “relationship” but on something like this we do have major differing views.
We have had many miscarriages of justice in this country (UK) and the death penalty would not allow us to correct our mistakes as it is such a final punishment.
I do not totally disagree with the death penalty, but I feel it is disproportionately used in Texas.
We must remember that above all life is a great gift and both the murderers and the authorities should remember that.
Do you support youth in asia and abortion too?
Give me a break!
State:
Arrest of accused, at atty, prelim or indictment, arraignment, too many pretrial procedural safeguards to list, trial, state appeal-federal appeal to USDC, federal appeal to Circuit COA, petition to USSC, state habeas corups, federal appeal to USDC, federal appeal to Circuit COA, petition to USSC, federal habeas corpus to USDC, federal appeal to Circuit COA, petition to USSC, etc. etc., petition for clemency, appeal of denial of clemency in USDC, Circuit COA, and USSC, ten to 20 years later, exectution.
vs.
Murderer:
straight to execution of victim, maybe, they will throw in a rape before execution.
So, enough of your phony chiding of the state regarding the sanctity of life.
The state of Texas uses the death penalty fairly. That is why people dislike it so much. They don’t want justice for the murderers.
Hey, at no point did I say I disagreed with the death penalty!
I am an educated person, who is open for discussion on the subject but no willing to be condemned on my views because they dont agree with yours!
Lets discuss this point…..not condemn other peoples input.
Talk to me about your views…dont ram them down my throat.
Thank you, Chris. This is the type of discussion we need to have.
What are your views Steven?
For the death penalty, I feel the rule is simple – eye for an eye.
Its brutal and barbaric, but shit, you ended the life of another human being.
There is nothing brutal or barbaric about the death penalty, loser.
I did not claim you did. However, you did whine about the DP being used disproportionately in Texas with nothing to back it up but your touchy feeling feelings. You then went on to offer your phony caution, again based on nothing but your touchy feeling feelings. You are wrong on both accounts. Your reaction? To complain. You are a person who wants to lecture others on a subject you know absolutely nothing about.
There is no such thing as a discussion with euroweenies. First, one has to spend an exorbitant amount of time correcting all their misconceptions. Once corrected, they continue to repeat them. Why let facts get in the way of euroweeniethinking, eh?
And you are the one who came here to ram your views down our throats. You won’t find us trolling euroweenie boards.
I think there are some utterly brutal people out there that deserve to be put to death. Take Ted Bundy for example…..he was hell bent on murder and wouldn’t have stopped until he was caught.
I’m also sure that many Brits should have been put to death for their crimes, and to me 15 years inside for murder is too leanient.
I wouldnt say that the death penalty was brutal or barbaric anymore, but that it is so final and there have been innocent people executed without a shadow of a doubt.
I’m a bit undecided about it if I’m honest!
I wouldnt say that the death penalty was brutal or barbaric anymore, but that it is so final and there have been innocent people executed without a shadow of a doubt
And again you would be wrong. Since the DP was reinstated there has been no one executed who was innocent. There are numerous claims but if you actually read the cases and aren’t a total idiot, you will see that it is nothing but anti death penalty propaganda.
Since the DP was reinstated there has been no one executed who was innocent
Sure, and the New York Times article about Cameron Willingham (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann) is a joke made by some lefties from a galaxy far, far away.
And let us not forget, mister without a name, your the real expert!
No, dumbass, it’s antideath penalty propaganda. And like all antidp propaganda it is filled with lies, half truths, and misstatements of the law – all with the intent to mislead people.
And, unlike you and the clowns at the New Yorker, I read all the opinions, reports, news reports, procedural history, and law. That anyone would defend scum like Willingham is crazy.
Well thats me told!
Thought I came here for discussion……..I’m happy to take the lecture – shows how seriously you feel over the subject and that’s a credit to you.
Isn’t there a website moderator, who can ask mr. anon to either try a normal discussion or go someplace else. I can see he is very angry, but that doesn’t help now does it? Now he’s saying certain people don’t deserve to be defended. Why do you have a law then? Just a lynching party is enough in your opinion it seems.
Dude – you are the one so angry that you are asking for me to be banned. Good luck with that. LOL
A normal discussion for Urbangrounds is one that is informed. Yours is not informed. And so far, you have demonstrated no interest in actual facts but instead want to repeat the tired old euroweenie antiDP kumbaya crap about a bunch of sociopaths.
Do you even know what lynching means? And how does one lynch someone who has had a trial, 12 years of appeals, and has been buried for 6 years?
You’re a real angry nutter. LOL
I’m sorry anon, but you said:
That anyone would defend scum like Willingham is crazy.
So i read that as not only him but all or most of the offenders. Who’s judging? You. No defense, come on man, it’s not the middle ages.
And your point is that you can’t read? That words don’t have meaning? That you can define words how ever you want to? You’re the one in the dark ages, nutter.
Johnson is still dead…right?
He’s dead dead. Now let’s go lynch him. LOL
Henh!
/get a rope
I love Mr Anonymous’ statements that he allegedly listens to all opinions! Well there is jack all evidence of him listening to anyone’s opinion on this site!
Perhaps a change of name to Mr Contradiction or Mr Angry is needed!
I love people who misstate what I wrote and then pretend to attack it! I said I read the opinions – not listen to them. And the opinions I read are the court opinions – not yours. Why would I be interested in the opinions of people who have no clue as to the facts of these case or our laws? How arrogant of you. Oh, and the angry meme is pretty lame, too. You’re angry because you can’t rebut my arguments so you project your own anger on to me.
In cases that are TRULY cut and dried, I am pro death penalty and will not be swayed. I know that in a lot of cases, there are inmates that profess their innocence, to the very end. In the course of 25 years in Criminal Justice, I have talked with many, many, condemned men. Every one of them that claimed to be innocent, said it was not him that committed the crime but, in his own words,described some drug-crazed demon that had possessed his body. Many of these murders were committed to obtain funds to further ones drug habit.
If you think a Correctional Officer’s job is so simple, try being one. Work on a medium to maximum security cellblock for 1 year then come back and talk the same smack you were talking a year before.
How would you like to have these guys released to your neighborhood?
I don’t care for the term,”euroweenie”. Our Brothers and Sisters in the EU have a right to their opinions, same as WE do.
HEY, ANONYMOUS!!! Chill out, Dude. Your ignorance is getting the best of you.
Nobody has ever accused me of being very smart but my opinions are based on a lot of experiences, both good and bad.
…Mild(not wild)Bill…
A very clear and honest opinion, with no partisanship. This is the type of discussion that creates progress.
HEY MILDEW!!!! Piss off! I don’t care whether you like the word euroweenie or not. You will find the word used often on this site. Don’t like it – leave.
Not all opinions are equal. And unlike your “brothers and sisters” I do not go to euroweenie forums and post ignorant statements on subjects I know nothing about.
If you think I’m ignorant, then you’re an imbecile. As to your little quiz: the last thing I’m going to do is impose the death penalty based on religious beliefs.
HEY MILDEW!!!! Piss off! I don’t care whether you like the word euroweenie or not. You will find the word used often on this site. Don’t like it – leave.
Not all opinions are equal. And unlike your “brothers and sisters” I do not go to euroweenie forums and post ignorant statements on subjects I know nothing about.
If you think I’m ignorant, then you’re an imbecile. As to your little quiz: the last thing I’m going to do is impose the death penalty based religious beliefs especially when it would only result in an overturning of a verdict.
Hey anonymous…
Not caring for the term,”euroweenie”is merely stating that I choose not to use it, nothing more.
About my thinking you are ignorant?… Well, I HAVE read your posts. From now on I’ll just consider the source. Have a nice day.
MILDEW: If you didn’t care whether other people used the term euroweenie or not, you wouldn’t have felt the need to announce to the world that you didn’t care for it, now would you?
As an imbecile, your IQ is 50 or less – you are incapable of thinking at all. You’re a walkin’ talkin’ Atkins claim. It’s suppose to rain. Try to keep your mouth shut when you go outside, so you don’t drown.
I like your comments Bill! You’ve shown me a new side to the death penalty! I imagine your experience is something that we should all go through before making judgement! I agree with your “cut and dried” theory! Nicely put!
Yes, we should all be required to become correctional officers and work on death row before being able to make a judgement. Bwaaaaaahhhhh!
I didn’t say that. Get whoever reads to you to re-read it. I was merely stating that IF you worked around these guys for just 1 year, you would be better able to make an informed statement…
You really are an imbecile. My comment was not addressed to you but to the person who did say it. Get whoever reads to you to reread it.
Finish grade school and maybe you would be able to make an informed statement. Then again, probably not.
oh and I love the term “Euroweenie”! We’ve always been the weenie mate to the good ole US of A! You’ve always allowed this tiny island to punch above our weight in the world stakes!
Hey Mr Anonymous! I’m growing to love you! But um scared of sayin that incase man on man affection deserves death by lethal injection in your pre-historic crazed mind! Keep up the good work! Oh n keep up the mild obsenities to fuel ur titchy mind n penis!!!!! No chance of u ever giving anyone a lethal injection with ur one inch warrior mentality! Bet u drive a big car? Hmmmm?
Don’t project your intolerant views, small mindedness, and homophobia on me.
How can I be intolerant when I accept ur views?
How can I be small minded by comin on a site like this to listen to other peoples opinions?
Best of all how can I be homophobic when I’m a gay man!?
Mr Anonymous I’m gonna sign off right now after showin u for the silly pre-opinionated, little man u are!
Enjoy!
Lots of love from EuroWeenieLand
You implied that I want to kill homosexuals, jackass. I have no idea whether you are gay or not. Either way, it doesn’t preclude you from being homophobic and it does not mitigate your statement about me wanting to kill homosexuals. You didn’t show me to be a silly pre-opinionated man but yourself as a biased small minded bigot.
And using your own technique against you, I hope in your perverted little mind that you are not so angry that you go out and rape and murder a child.
I love this forum! Thank you for stating my spelling of naive was incorrect
It’s great that we can have discussions it gives us a little insight into what others think… It would be quite boring on here if we shared the same view about issues. I’m going to miss contributing here for at least two weeks because I am going on holiday. Take care 
Anyone who calls themselves Anonymous must be a bit ashamed of their bigoted views??? So much negativity and wishing to inflict pain on others must leave you with a sad little existence. People reap what they sow. Karma will get us all in the end!!!!
Using bigot as a slur, as you have done, is the true shameful behavior here. What you call negativity and wishing to inflict pain on others, we call upholding the law. You must burst out in tears every time a murderer/rapist/child molester is arrested and sentenced to prison. If I commit capital murder, I definitely should reap what I sow. It is you who wants to give murderers a freebie. Apparently, you lose no sleep over the negativity and pain inflicted on innocent victims.
p.s.: Princess Fug is no less anonymous than anonymous, dumbass.