UPDATE II (8/2/11) — Hank Skinner has been given a new execution date: 11/11/11. I’ve closed comments to this post (as it already has over 200 comments) and have posted a new post here for new comments.
UPDATE: 3/24/10 — The Supreme Court of the United States has blocked the execution of this triple-murdering monster.
I’ll make a deal with all of you gloating anti’s and murderer-worshiping wackos — if the DNA tests that Skinner is requesting are run and he’s found not guilty, I’ll donate $100 to the ACLU or some other anti-DP cause. If he’s still guilty, you each donate $25 to the charity of my choice. Deal?
Raise your hand if you're guilty of murdering three people...
Henry Watkins “Hank” Skinner was convicted and sentenced to death for killing his girlfriend and her two mentally-retarded sons on New Year’s Eve in 1993.
Tomorrow, sometime shortly after 6:00 p.m. Huntsville, TX Time (HTT), Hank Skinner will pay for those brutal murders (and a lifetime of abusive, physical violence and drug abuse) with his life.
Another Anti-Death Penalty Darling
Hank’s case has drawn world-wide media and lunatic anti-death penalty hand wringers out of the wood work because they believe Hank might just be innocent of these three brutal murders. They are begging the courts to spare Hank’s life and to investigate an alternative suspect and conduct new blood spatter analysis. These appeals have been denied by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
Our own local “unbiased” and “totally-objective” but otherwise totally Liberal Texas Tribune has done an entire series of stories (start with this one, and then click on the Related Content to read the other 6 stories on Skinner, all written by the same writer.) on Hank Skinner, including an interview with him from death row. Funny, but I couldn’t find any interviews from the Trib writer, Brandi Grissom, with family members of the victims. Or any mentions of the evidence that was used to convict Skinner.
Instead, she comes across pretty much like one of the star-struck groupies of Hank Skinner, pretty much like the media and celebrity fawning over cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal. If I find out she cries on the night of his execution, I won’t be at all surprised.
Hank’s also pretty much a rock star over at the PrisonTalk Groupie forum, where there are (currently) 6 pages of crocodile tears being shed for a man, who if he lived with any one of these insane women (oh, don’t they dream of that…) would beat and abuse them, too, just like he’s done to every other woman in his life.
The idiots at Reason mag have this headline: “Is Texas About To Execute Another Innocent Man? State officials would rather kill a prisoner than give him a DNA test.” — Two things here, moron: 1) Skinner is guilty, and 2) Texas has not executed any other innocent man. Would you care to name one (Todd Willingham is not innocent. He is dead. But he had not, nor will he ever be, found innocent).
Guilty Beyond Any Reasonable Doubt
There is no need for any further test or investigations because the evidence used to convict Hank Skinner was more than substantial enough to prove that he was guilty beyond any reasonable doubt of the crimes he was accused of. A jury of his peers thought so, and more than one appellate court has agreed.
From the Office of the Attorney General:
Shortly before midnight on December 31, 1993, Twila Busby was strangled and bludgeoned to death and her sons, 20-year-old Randy Busby and 22-year-old Elwin Scooter Caler, were stabbed to death in the home they shared with Hank Skinner in Pampa, Texas.
At midnight, a Pampa police officer was dispatched to investigate a stabbing at an address located across the alley from Twila’s residence. He arrived to find Elwin, in blood-stained underwear, sitting on the porch of a neighbor’s house with stab wounds. Elwin was taken to the hospital where he died a short time later.
Investigating Elwin’s stabbing, police went to Twila’s home and found Twila dead on the living room floor near the family’s Christmas tree. She had been strangled and beaten on the head with a blunt object at least fourteen times. A bloodstained axe handle leaned against the couch near Twila’s body while a plastic trash bag containing a knife and bloody towel lay nearby.
Police found Randy stabbed to death in the bedroom he shared with his brother. Police also found Skinner’s bloody hand prints in the house.
Around midnight, roughly the same time officers found Elwin, Skinner arrived at the home of his former girlfriend in blood-soaked shirt and pants. He explained he had been stabbed and shot. Skinner removed his shirt, but the ex-girlfriend found no injuries except for a cut on the palm of his hand, which she bandaged for him.
Over the next three hours, Skinner made many inconsistent statements about the causes of his injury and the course of events. The ex-girlfriend tried to call police, but Skinner threatened to kill her and her children if she did. Skinner also refused to let Reed call Twila to see if everything was alright. Skinner eventually offered to tell Reed what really had happened if she would promise not to tell anyone; she promised, and Skinner told her he thought he had kicked Twila to death.
Suspecting Skinner in the triple-murder, police sought and found him at 3 a.m. at his ex-girlfriend’s house standing in a closet wearing heavily blood-stained jeans and socks, and bearing a gash on the palm of his right hand. A toxicology test on Skinner at 5:48 a.m. revealed alcohol and codeine. Skinner was arrested.
DNA testing showed that blood on the shirt Skinner was wearing at the time of his arrest was Twila’s blood, and blood on Skinner’s jeans was a mixture of blood from Elwin and Twila.
[snip]
Skinner’s ex-wife testified that Skinner verbally and physically abused her when he was drunk. She said she left Skinner after he threatened to use an ax handle to beat her to death.
You might recall that Skinner killed Twila Busby by smashing her skull in…with an ax handle.
Hank’s defense? He was so fucked up on drugs and alcohol at the time of the murder, that there’s no way he could have committed the crimes. You know…because drunk and high people never murder anybody…
Hank Skinner’s sick, twisted Web Site, run by one of his Euro-trash groupie girlfriends, doesn’t even bother to address Hank’s blood soaked clothing — which was DNA tested and showed that the blood belonged to his victims (and that bloody hand prints at the crime scene belonged to Skinner, too).
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Thank you for the insight on Skinner’s case.
The PrisonTalk groupies are swamping Gov Perry’s Facebook page with calls for DNA testing. Had none been performed I would have been concerned. But since your reporting points out that DNA testing was done and which proved his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, I have no cause for concern. Skinner did what he did and needs to pay the price.
Tomorrow (hopefully) we remove more vermin from the TDCJ prison population.
I was a juror in that trial and there is no doubt based on the evidence we heard that he killed Twila and her boys. We were told that it would probably be years before the execution took place and it has been 15 years since conviction. That trial is something I will never forget, but I still believe we made the right decision.
You did make the right decision. Anyone who has half a brain and no agenda knows it. The blood spatter evidence doesn’t lie.
Switzer Strikes Back!
Pronews 7 received a letter from Mark D. White, Attorney for Lynn Switzer, District Attorney of Gray County, Texas in response to the Hank Skinner case that the Supreme Court is reviewing. Below is the letter in its entirety.
Today the United States Supreme Court granted certiorari review in Skinner v. Switzer, No. 09-9000.
In January 2010, the United States District Court dismissed Mr. Skinner’s civil rights lawsuit, and the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the decision. Mr. Skinner petitioned the United States Supreme Court seeking further review, and that request was granted by today’s order.
Our office responded to Mr. Skinner’s civil rights litigation by taking positions strictly in accordance with the controlling law of the State of Texas, and the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, and the briefing we filed primarily challenged whether the District Court had jurisdiction to reach Mr. Skinner’s complaint.
There have been many inquiries about why Lynn Switzer has opposed Mr. Skinner’s request for post-trial DNA testing. It is important for the citizens of Gray County to view that request in light of the procedural background of this case.
Mr. Skinner was convicted and sentenced to death in March 1995 for having killed Twila Busby and her two adult, mentally-challenged sons Randy Busby and Elwin “Scooter” Caler, shortly before midnight on New Year’s Eve of 1993. Before the trial, former Gray County District Attorney John Mann obtained DNA testing and those results were admitted against Mr. Skinner during trial. DNA testing of two of the blood stains on Mr. Skinner’s shirt were consistent with Twila Busby’s – 2 -
DNA, while a third blood stain was consistent with Mr. Skinner’s DNA. DNA testing of blood stains on Mr. Skinner’s jeans showed a mixture of blood from Twila and her son Elwin, and two other blood stains were consistent with Elwin’s DNA. A forensic scientist testified at trial that 1 in 5.5 billion people (at the time, the population of the earth) would have the same seven DNA probes identified in the blood stains as belonging to Twila, Elwin, and Mr. Skinner. In 2000, former District Attorney John Mann again submitted several items of evidence for DNA testing. The results of some of the items were inconclusive. The testing on the hair found in the right hand of Twila showed a profile that was consistent with both Twila and Mr. Skinner. All evidence was available for forensic testing prior to trial had Mr. Skinner’s attorneys Harold Comer and Kenneth Fields chosen to do so. They made a strategy decision to not have it done.
Years later on appeal, as he sat on death row, Mr. Skinner argued that his attorneys were ineffective for failing to pursue DNA testing.
In November 2005, lead defense trial counsel Harold Comer testified during a federal evidentiary hearing and explained the trial strategy, which included (1) that the defense hired a DNA expert who evaluated the State’s evidence and found no basis for challenging the results; (2) that certain DNA test results, such as for the blood stains on Mr. Skinner’s clothing, had been damaging to the defense’s case and counsel did not want to run the danger of uncovering even more damaging evidence; (3) that the defense’s blood spatter expert determined that widespread amounts of blood stains on the clothing Mr. Skinner was wearing when he was arrested a few hours after the murders were inconsistent with Mr. Skinner’s story that he had lain comatose on the sofa only a few feet away from where Twila was beaten and strangled to death; and (4) that Mr. Skinner’s videotaped statement to police about how he and Twila had fought with a stick (which police found imbedded with blood and hair, and laying near Twila’s body) was also inconsistent with Mr. Skinner’s alibi.
The United States District Court held that Mr. Skinner was represented at trial by competent counsel who made a reasoned strategic decision to not seek DNA testing, and denied relief on this ineffective assistance of counsel claim. The Fifth Circuit found that reasonable jurists would not debate the decision, and the United States Supreme Court denied review.
Additionally, Mr. Skinner filed two motions with the trial court (in 2001 and 2007) seeking post-conviction DNA testing. Both times, the trial court and the Court of Criminal Appeals found that Mr. Skinner was unable to show that there was a reasonable chance that additional testing could exonerate him, and therefore denied the motions. In both instances, Mr. Skinner failed to ask the Supreme Court for certiorari review.
Nearly 15 years after trial, Mr. Skinner tried another tactic — arguing for the first time that current Gray County District Attorney Lynn Switzer is violating his civil rights by not allowing him to conduct additional DNA testing. Although nothing prevented Mr. Skinner from filing a civil rights lawsuit earlier, he did not initiate this attack until after the trial court ordered his execution for February 2010.
The following is a quote from District Attorney Lynn Switzer:
“As District Attorney for the citizens of Gray County, I give great weight to the wishes of the victims’ families, and particularly in this case, to the family of Twila Busby and her sons, Elwin and Randy. I have been in communication with the immediate family of these victims and my position regarding the DNA evidence controversy is fully supported. There have been so many questions, speculations, allegations and outright misrepresentations in this case that it has been difficult to stand silent until the civil suit was resolved. I made the decision to defend against this suit with an eye not only on Mr. Skinner’s case but on past and future cases as well. I knew that there were ramifications for District Attorney’s all across the state, especially where the defendant waits so long before even filing a civil rights lawsuit. I felt that it was important to stand firm, something that is not always easy to do. If defendants are allowed to “game the system” then we will never be able to rely on the finality of the judgments entered in their cases. I know that it has been hard on the family and friends of Twila, Randy and Elwin and I appreciate their feelings of frustration and hurt.”
Skinner had a full and fair trial before a Gray County jury. He elected not to have more evidence tested for DNA, which was his trial strategy. He was convicted. His case has dragged on for years. The fact that the Supreme Court has granted Skinner’s request for a final review of this matter provides an excellent opportunity for the Court to affirm that once a convicted state prisoner has had an adequate opportunity to make a due process challenge to his conviction through a habeas corpus proceeding, other post-conviction proceedings are better left to the states to handle. The Texas procedure for obtaining this evidence is ample and reasonable, and Mr. Skinner has been given plenty of opportunity to show that additional testing could prove his innocence, but he could not show that. We look forward to presenting the case to the Court.
http://www.connectamarillo.com/news/story.aspx?id=461288
KICK THEIR ASS, LYNN!
Yes! It’s time for this charade to end…
I do wish the appeals process was quicker…
What a waste of tax dollars and time when the evidence is so overwhelming!
i hope you guys know that our own tax dollars are also going towards executing inmates, whether you guys know it or not, it cost billions of dollars to execute someone. i dont know about you but i would rather have my tax dollars spent keeping children out of trouble and off the streets that to pay for someone to die
Billions of dollars? Citation needed please.
No, I think you do.
I agree with TPG, I find your cost estimate wildly exaggerated.
Do you also have a cost estimate available for the impact of a murder to the victim, their family and to society?
That cost estimate comes from the same place where Skinner stores his cell phones…
http://www.gsmdome.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/butt-phone.jpg
Skinner is obviously a shitty conversationalist.
Here’s another factoid for the thuglovers:
Regarding the jacket found on the scene that they want tested and that they falsely claim belong to the uncle or the killer:
1. The evidence was that the uncle wore a tan windbreaker all the time. The jacket found at the scene was gray – not tan.
2. According to Skiller himself, Twila’s mother testified at the trial that the jacket belonged to Twila.
Skinner and his ugly wife have declared a jihad against Allen Turner, a Houston Chronicle reporter.
They have written articles and thrown up websites accusing him of defaming the triple murderer.
It interested me b/c the weenies also accuse me of defaming poor hank.
Listen up, weenies:
1. The truth is an absolute defense to an allegation of defamation.
2. He was convicted of murdering 3 people, hence, he is a triple murderer.
3. His conviction was affirmed on direct appeal. Therefore, he remains guilty of triple murder.
4. You have to have a good reputation to damage in order to be defamed. Skinner has no good reputation. His reputation is that he is a whiny triple murderer and has some euroweenie wife.
And I just read the Supreme Court has just now allowed him to have the DNA evidence he wants tested…
Wonder how long that will take???
Does anyone know?
OH, I just found it..it will be sometime next fall…
Hah. The opposite of the Chron story is on display at the Texas Tribune.
I think the reporter over there who had a special face-to-face (albeit, behind a sheet of bullet proof glass) interview with Skinner might have the opposite has developed quite a little Death Row Groupie mentality about her subject, too. I’d almost bet you dimes to nickles that she cries a little bit when ‘ol Hank is finally put down.
I have a whole new respect for Allen Turner, reporter for the Houston Chronicle. Here’s an email he sent to Skinner’s wife:
October 23rd 2007.
“Dear Sandrine,
Mr. Skinner has sent me extensive material on his case. He is most
aggressive in seeking publicity. I terminated my previous interview with Skinner at the point he suggested reporters for the
“mainstream media” lacked integrity, I’m sorry, I’m not prepared to have my integrity, my judgment, my anything questioned by a capital killer. From what I’ve seen of the records, it seems pretty clear that Skinner is guilty of his crime, despite his wheedling, disingenuous claims to the contrary. Altho’ decent people can disagree on the morality of capital punishment, I think I behooves everyone involved in the debate NEVER to forget the nature of the people on death row. I have looked into conditions on death row
and they are severe. Prisoners are severely isolated in small un-air
conditioned cells, exercise periods are limited, etc. But given the seriousness of the crimes committed by these individuals and the record of past escapes. I’m not convinced heavy security is unwarranted. While I am eager to here of alleged cases of brutality by guards those of Mr. Skinner excepted. I must confess I have not yet seen credible evidence of problems. Thank you for your e-mail. I trust that you are well….”
Lacked integrity?!
That is a laugh…he’s got nerve…
I can’t wait until his reign of idiocy is over…
Skinner and his man-wife try to bully everyone. I really laughed when they claimed Turner was defaming Skinner when he wrote the lede: Supreme Court refuses to hear Texas’ killers case. http://goo.gl/e8jr
LOL!
What a pair of douches.
They are trying to get their fifteen minutes, but just can’t pull it off.
Could you check your server for the time? My last post showed being posted one hour earlier than it was, so maybe it didn’t get updated for Daylight Savings Time.
Also please check the last paragraph under the section “Another Anti-Death Penalty Darling”. In response to the Reason.com mag, you state the following:
“Two things here, moron: 1) Skinner is not guilty,”
I think you mean that Skinner is guilty.
Oops. Thanks for catching that, Mark. Fixed.
Ok I see the fix. Thank you!
This as certainly grabbed media attention worldwide and I believe that ‘Hank Skinner’ is guilty. The evidence against him is overwhelming and the crime itself ‘brutal’
“Partial” DNA testing was done Andrea Reed recanted certain incriminating parts of her statement hence the ‘outcry’ for complete DNA testing.
He may well be guilty, only he knows for sure. People are objecting to the selectiveness of the testing, not his “innocence” and as for Cameron Todd Willingham, had an actual “expert” testified as opposed to some apparent mystic with a “feel” for these things, he probably wouldn’t have been convicted.
If you are going to be a lefty loon, at least be an honest loon.
Reed recanted some, not all, of her testimony. What she recanted was impeached by a number of disinterested witnesses. IOW, she made the same statements to a number of people before she falsely claimed she was coerced. A hearing was held in front of a federal magistrate and he found her recantation not credible.
In no case is all the evidence including DNA evidence tested. This is because not all evidence is forensically significant.
The blood on Skinner’s clothes was Twila’s and Elwin’s. He had medium velocity impacts splatter on the front of his shirt. This is caused by using an object to inflict blunt force trauma or when you stab someone.
On the back of his shirt were stains consistent with cast off blood, i.e., falling off the bloody axe handle when he raised it to strike her again.
There was a large amount of spatter on all sides of his jeans.
According to the defense expert, the blood spatters of the victims’ blood on his clothes was too wide spread and on too many different surfaces of his clothes for him to be lying passed out on the couch.
People who are objecting to the selectiveness of the testing are idiots. I love how people who don’t know jackshit about the evidence of this case, let alone about evidence, period, feel their uninformed opinions matter.
And yes they and you are arguing that the guy is innocent. When you lie about the facts of the case in skinner’s favor than you are biased.
Are there supporting documents online to which you can give a link? I’m especially interested in the blood spatter analysis and the confession.
Thanks.
Nice site. Skinner is a fucking murdering dirtbag. Hopefully he doesn’t get ANOTHER thirty day stay.
I simply stated the facts.
People are objecting to partial DNA testing, rightly or wrongly.
I do not think that Hank Skinner is innocent. I do not know.
At appeal Andrea Reeds recantation wasn’t found to be credible but this does not mean she did not change parts of her original statement.
The majority of people for OR against Skinners execution know “jackshit” about the facts or hadn’t you noticed that? Oh I forgot nobody has ever been found guilty who actually wasn’t have they?
Skinner “probably” isn’t one of them, but people have the right to their shitty uninformed opinions – anonymous, whether you like it or not.
Yes, they did a rape kit. They always do a rape kit. But, there was no evidence that she was raped:
She was found on the floor with her blouse pulled up and her abdomen exposed. Not odd when you’ve been in a struggle. Her pants were unzipped. Again not unusual. There was no evidence that her pants had ever been removed. There was no semen in her panties. The report that there was redness around her vaginal area indicating recent sexual activity is being misinterpreted. You can observe this on most adult women who are sexually active – it is not a sign of forced penetration.
Okay, I just found out that the medical examiner testified at trial that there was no evidence of sexual assault. That plus the fact there was no evidence of a sexual assault at the crime scene, I understand why they didn’t test the rape kit.
So they didn’t find anything on the rape kit. Last I checked he’s being executed for murder, not rape.
No, they never submitted the rape kit for dna testing, because there was no evidence of a sexual assault. As usual, the antis have misrepresented the evidence.
Thanks for the clarification.
To those fools who believe it’s needed–one can be charged with and convicted of capital murder if the basis is “multiple murders” (two or more during the same “criminal act”). In this case, we have three persons all murdered at the same time.
So Skinner was properly charged with capital murder, justly convicted, no error found on multiple appeals, and hopefully tonight will finally face justice.
Yep, those were the so called “special issues” found he was guilty of beyond a reasonable doubt:
“…the defendant, Henry Watkins Skinner, did then and there, intentionally cause the death of three individuals during the same criminal transaction, to wit…”
Loon: That has to be the most fucking lame comeback I’ve read in a long time. No one is interested in shitty uninformed opinions, including yours, Loon.
Here’s another fact for you,Loon:
Skinner confessed on tape. Because he did not have an atty, though the court ruled he did not ask for one, the DA did not try to introduce it in their case in chief. They were going to use it if he testified. On it he admitted that he and Twila got into a fight when she came home, he knocked her to the ground, she ran into the backroom where they kept that stupid axe handle, and came back with it and hit him, he knocked her to the ground again. Skinner was on top of her when her son came up from behind and grabbed him by the neck and threw him off. The rest has been sealed. However, parts of it were read into the record at the evidentiary hearings.
Go get it unsealed, Loon. Go demand that the defense produce the videotape.
Oh god you’re so superior, let me bow down in front of your God Like Genius.
Dumbass, I just took the time and made the effort to read all those damn documents that Skinner posted, though he left off a few highly incriminating ones.
http://goo.gl/Wf2p
I’ll tell you what anonymous why don’t you POST your knowledge onto every site going, then maybe they might stop all of this get him off nonsense…..because jesus they obviously don’t know it, did I ACTUALLY WRITE ANY OF THE FUCKING ARTICLES, tell them! not me you dick! what the fuck can I do about it…..for someone so intelligent you can be a little bit thick.
Start by STFU. You are the one who came here and posted the same b.s.
Shouldn’t you be busy educating the good uniformed people of the world?
How did we ever get by without you?
Our Saviour returnth.
In fact why not get straight on the phone to Rick, I’m sure he’s not to busy for you x
I’m already converted you ARE the messiah so no need to waste your time here – go spend it educating other dumb folks.
Nice to see you admit that you are dumb.
How could I not?
Hey ass monkey…. is your name Yvonne? You sure do sound like that stupid euro weenie. If for once you would listen, instead of being an arrogant asshole, maybe you could have a sensible discussion. No, I know, that is all but impossible for your type.
Wrap your arms around all the criminals you want, and then come back and say “no no that is not what I meant”. Whatever… you are insignificant.
And he WILL BE DEAD!
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!
Naw Yvonnes a total brown noser, and you like anonymous, a messianic fucker.
I think the last place God will be blessing is Texas and you’ll no doubt dissapear up your own arse before too long. And you’re right typing so hard..
Texas IS blessed jerk off! We make sure the scum of the earth suffer in Polunsky HELL in solitary before we off them..I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else in the world. So if you kill the people we love, you better do it in one of those weak no DP states and not here…here…you pay…and pay harshly..
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GOD BLESS TEXAS!
“Partial” DNA testing was done Andrea Reed recanted certain incriminating parts of her statement hence the ‘outcry’ for complete DNA testing.
He may well be guilty, only he knows for sure. People are objecting to the selectiveness of the testing, not his “innocence” and as for Cameron Todd Willingham, had an actual “expert” testified as opposed to some apparent mystic with a “feel” for these things, he probably wouldn’t have been convicted.
I’m really struggling to see where I claimed anyone was innocent?
You can read but can you actually comprehend? you backwards arsehole
Deliberate omissions are lies. Why else would you lie and continue to lie about the facts of the case, asshole?
Cheers mate, I always thought ‘I don’t know’ meant just that, but now I see I really did know but was deliberately omitting, once again let me bow down before your God-Like Genius.
Still can’t manage to understand a simple paragraph eh?
And you’re still a dishonest hack.
Don’t worry–when his time rolls around they’ll be out here complaining about his case too.
I was responding to a post about Franklin Alix, the post was removed.
Anonymous,
Obviously you have strong feelings in regards to those involved in this case. I have one question for you. Please understand where I am coming from before I ask my question though. I am a survivor, my family was murdered in my home. I also have a loved one wrongfully convicted in the prison system. I can appreciate both sides of the argument. My question is if you are that certain of this mans guilt then what is another 30 day reprieve to conduct DNA testing that has been offered up for free? If he is guilty it will prove his guilt and the execution can go forward. Texas I believe has the highest rate to date of exonerated men. I know that you firmly believe in this mans guilt and it would rock your world if the DNA came back showing someone else was guilty. But what if . . . it isn’t all you thought it was?
I have strong feelings about people being honest about the facts and procedural history of these cases. I am certain that he is guilty and that he has had a fair trial. Therefore, he is not entitled to another useless delay. It is also disingenuous of you to claim it is only 30 days when in other cases where stays were granted for dna testing and the results came back inculpatory, years later the issue is still being litigated because the next step is for you antis to falsely claim tampering. So, stop wasting my time.
Oh, and I am sure it would “rock your world” if you approached these cases with facts and logic instead of wishful thinking.
Lets start off like this I am pro death penalty for those who are guilty. I worked at the unit that Mr. Skinner was housed at for along time and I have had the opportunity to read up on Mr. Skinners case. At no time during his trial was DNA tested or even offered by testing by the prosecution. His defense team has requested several times to get the evidence tested to prove his innocence and the State of Texas has declined I don’t understand why people think that just because 12 say your guilty you are. I can personally garuntee that Mr. Skinner is innocent.
You are a fucking liar. DNA testing was done on the clothes skinner was wearing and it was positive for both Twila’s and Elwin’s blood. DNA testing was done on Elwin’s clothes and it was positive for his mother’s blood. This evidence was introduced at trial by the DA.
Get the fuck out of here!
Oh wait… you’re right. The DNA testing was done BEFORE trial and introduced at the state’s case in chief. Again, get the fuck out of here.
There is no lie silly enough or small enough for the anti-DP destroyers of society to tell, are there?
Got that right.
Oh, and I love how they try to give themselves credibility by claiming they are a CO or a Pro or use to be a Pro, or in Questy’s case, both a victim and a scumpal.
Hey, asshole! Your located in Seattle. It must be one hell of a commute to your job.
That statement that TDCJ co made, makes me wonder what transcripts he/she was reading. If 12 peers say your guilty, you most likely are guilty, Just like C.D. Hood, I suppose you think he is innocent too….
Since you are a CO, I have something I wish to say….. When I came down to the Walls unit, and were coming in, guards were coming out saying there wasn’t going to be any execution, almost laughing, how insensitive and cruel and their supposed to be the good guys? People should be careful where they chit chat, Having lost a loved one to a murdering POS is hard enough without CO’s making light of it with family members coming in trying to get closure.
He’s not a CO. In fact, I suspect he and quest4bullshit are the same person since they are both located in the great north west.
Your = You’re
Thanks for the informative blogpost.
I can’t help but note the parallels of this case with the Fatal Vision murders at Fort Bragg in 1970. The same sort of thing happens. Everyone in the house is slaughtered except for the accused. The accused makes a bunch of statements at odds with the facts and has minor injuries when one would think that he’d have been the first one some murderous killer would target.
I also think it’s interesting that so much is being made about the rape kit and DNA testing of it not being done. If the evidence indicates that the woman was not raped (and given the frenzied nature of the killings, one would think there’d be a boatload of evidence in terms of injuries to the victim’s sexual organs), it doesn’t really matter if there’s evidence of sexual contact between the defendant and the victim or the victim and an unknown party. Maybe she was stepping out on him and that precipitated the argument that led to her death?
I’m pro-death penalty and I think executing this man would be a just resolution to the case. I can understand and empathize with people who are opposed to the death penalty on moral grounds (that any killing is wrong). But it seems to me that the anti-death penalty movement is just crawling with people who are either gullible or dishonest with the facts…like it seems a lot of people are being in this case.
Family Friend Speaks Out -Skinner Execution
Posted: Mar 23, 2010 7:50 PM PDT
Updated: Mar 23, 2010 8:22 PM PDT
Huntsville, TX–In less than 24 hours a Pampa death row inmate will be dead.
More than 16 years after the triple murder, hank skinner will be put to death Wednesday evening.
For one person who knew him well, it’s a day that’s been too long in the making.
“If it had to happen, I wish I had done it because I wouldn’t have done it like that,”said Convicted killer Hank Skinner.
Now close family friend Tara Bradley is speaking out.
“He truly deserves what he’s gonna get. he really does…you can see it in his eyes, even when you interviewed him, he was just awful, awful. and I’ve seen him beat her. literally, beat her,” she said.
Skinner was found guilty of beating and stabbing to death his girlfriend Twila and her two sons Randolph and Elwin.
“He would just be so mean and vulgar to her, and tell her that she was worthless, the kids were worthless. that she wasn’t even worth living,” said Bradley.
She says Twila came to her many times for help trying to get away from Skinner.
“He beat her, beat the kids so badly that she was scared to death that he was going to kill her.”
Despite Skinner’s multiple failed attempts of appealing the verdict, Bradley says she has no doubt Skinner did it.
“All this DNA stuff is just bull. He’s just trying to pull every stop he can from being executed.”
And tomorrow, she’ll be happy he’s dead.
“The death penalty is rough, but he’s getting easy. He is just gonna be put to sleep. He’s not going to stabbed and hurt like she was and her sons watched him do it to her,”she said.
http://goo.gl/bEoF
innocent people have been exonerated. look at ronald cotton. what are the odds that every executed person was guilty. it defies logic to kill someone without exhausting the evidence. the print on the bag with a knife and dish towel didn’t match skinner. the hair in twila’s hand was not skinner’s. innocent people do confess to crimes from time to time. witnesses make errors. our system is not infallible, which is why we have to use dna. the fingernails are crucial.
Why? What does his case have to do with capital punishment? People like you don’t bother to check to see what is involved in issuing the death penalty, you think all sentences are the same.
I would say 100%.
This statement explains why you are so concerned with fingernails, you are grasping for anything that can stop the extermination of this vile creature. I would tell you to just ignore all the blood on him, and the various patterns it formed, along with his bloody prints, but obviously you already have.
Look at Roger Coleman.
Look at Ricky Guinn.
Look at Kevin Cooper.
The first two and the thughuggers who loved them, demanded unnecessary second DNA tests. The results were the same. And the thug huggers still whined that they were innocent.
In 2001, Kevin Cooper demanded and got his first post conviction DNA test. The results came back in 2002 and matched.
Did that shut you antis up? Of course not.
In 2004, the day of his scheduled execution, he was granted further DNA testing because you bastards lied and falsely claimed that the sample had been tampered with. Guess what? In 2005, they matched again.
And five fucking years later they are still appealing it.
it defies logic to kill someone without exhausting the evidence.
It defies logic to claim that there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt in Skinner’s case. You just refuse to look at that evidence.
the print on the bag with a knife and dish towel didn’t match skinner.
Meaning that it isn’t exculpatory.
the hair in twila’s hand was not skinner’s.
That’s debatable. But, since it is not forensically significant in that it was found in a high traffic area, it is not exculpatory.
innocent people do confess to crimes from time to time.
And guilty people also confess and when they have a shit load of forensic evidence proving they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, it is even more proof that they are guilty.
witnesses make errors.
Antis lie their fucking asses off.
our system is not infallible, which is why we have to use dna.
We did. It came back a match for the victims’ and Skinner’s blood proving he is the murderer.
the fingernails are crucial.
No, they are not.
What is crucial and what you have ignored is the blood spatter evidence that proves that it was Skinner who was clubbing Twila to death and who stabbed Elwin.
Catherine — they did ample testing of DNA, blood spatter analysis, and witness testimony to know beyond a shadow of a doubt beyond any reasonable doubt, that it was Skinner who killed Twila and her sons. The rape kit wasn’t tested because the evidence showed that there was no rape. Why do you want it tested now?
The victims’ blood was soaked through his cloathing, and there were blood splatter patterns that could have only been produced on the murderer, not some passed out dude on the sofa, as Skinner claims.
Yeah, that doesn’t say much. This kind of thing happens all the time…Pfffft! Riiiight.
No point in even arguing this.
Yea, this pretty must sums it all up…why would someone be hiding in a closet soaked in blood if they were innocent…what a freaking joke.
Notice how only one small news station sought out to tell the other side by interviewing someone who knew Twila and Skinner?
Instead, we got article after article about the triple murderer, repeating the same old crap.
All the name calling on this string – starting with calling the Reason folks “idiots” in the main post – tells us much more about the character of those using such language than it illuminates anything about this case. Pretty sad, really.
People who are confident in their beliefs and rely on evidence instead of emotion for their judgments don’t need to and seldom do resort to such behavior.
How’s this for sad: fuck you, asshole. I’ve read enough of your blog to judge your character, too.
We are relying on evidence–the DNA testing that was done on the blood found on the shirt Skinner was wearing, that matched Ms. Busby.
What pisses us off is a large part of the anti-death penalty crowd, who have no concern for the family of Twila Busby and her sons, repeating Skinner’s self-professed claims of innocence and refusing to review the overwhelming evidence for his guilt (which included DNA testing, a fact they conveniently ignore in their calls for DNA testing), on a forum where they should know by now that the vast majority of posters strongly support the death penalty and believe Skinner is guilty.
6PM cannot come soon enough, so that Twila Busby, Elwin Caner, and Randy Busby can finally rest in peace, knowing that justice has been served on their murderer.
Note how grits ignores the fact that the anti death people proponents don’t rely on the evidence but instead lie about it. This tells us much more about their and his character, or lack thereof. Unfortunately, we’ve come to expect it from them and him.
If someone killed someone you love, you’d be cussing too.
Bwaahahaha! Oh please stop all the cruel name calling. You are upsetting me and I think I need to go take another pill.
Again… if you come in here with an arrogant attitude, acting superior and lying… we will call a spade a spade. Or in this case, we will call you a fucking retard. Get used to it or GTFOH.
Oh, by the way… he will be dead,
and
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!
Some of these antis need to take a pill. Preferably cyanide.
ah another one who can’t understand the complicated concept of “I don’t know” you clever chaps crack me up you really do.
Anti’s need to take a pill? Jesus you’re a bunch of warped fucked up individuals trying to profess compassion for victims of murder! by pronoucing you wish people to…..die. Nice. Theres some kind of weird logic going on there. Hahahahahah bring it on! more please? I wouldn’t of believed it if I hadn’t seen it.
Hey Looney Tunes…. The murdering pieces of shit have all you Anti’s professing compassion for them…. As a victim of a MURDERED LOVED ONE… The people here ARE AND HAVE BEEN compassionate and supportive, If you would get your head out of your ass you would see them for what they are….. worthless and pathetic pieces of humanity THEY are the ones that showed no compassion with their vile acts of violence…
Justice will be served tonight with the execution of another pathetic excuse of humanity
De-ja vue? rinse and repeat…
Anyone who uses the word “chap” is a weak puss to me and I guess you would forgive one of these pieces of trash if he kidnapped raped and beat to death your mother?
I don’t think that when they enacted these laws regarding DNA testing that they were going to be abused by the defense demanding multiple tests on the same evidence or the testing of evidence that has no forensic significance.
Then again, most of the Legislature consists of lawyers. So maybe they did.
I wonder if any of the PrisonTalk groupies have made arrangements to claim the body of their “husband”. Any assistance in cutting government costs would be greatly appreciated by the crew here at UrbanGrounds (i.e., let someone else pay to bury him).
I would think frenchie, being his wife, would be responsible for disposing of the body. They cremate them and then bring the ashes home to jerk off to.
Anonymous,
It is kind of ironic, I use to have your attitude. Although, I never stooped to name calling or cussing at people if they didn’t share my opinion. I did however, find myself constantly on forums that discussed the murder of my family and it made me sick to see all the misinformation out there about our case. I felt it was somehow my responsibility to set the record straight with the world since I knew the case inside out and backwards. I could point out inconsistencies in every false statement ever made on the stand by quoting you the page number of where that person had changed their story from the original statement made to police in the discovery. For the record I have only made one previous post here and it was under the same name so your assumptions about me posting under multiple names is wrong. Frankly, I don’t care if you know where I live so pointing that out is futile. If you go back and look at the post I previously made you will see that I made no statement referencing “facts” regarding this case because I don’t know the facts nor would I pretend to. When I was on forums all the time defending my view point on my family’s case I never hid behind “anonymous” or any other fictitious name. You asked me to stop wasting your time but the way I see it you are the one who is wasting your own time. You posted on a public forum, you don’t have to keep coming back to read things. You make that choice each and every time and likewise you make that choice to post a reply. My ONLY point in posting now is to tell you this: Regardless of the fate of Hank Skinner the anger and the hatred that you have pulsing through your veins right now will not go away. Yes, you may rejoice in his execution for awhile but ultimately it will still seep through the same way that it seethes out now in every post you make. That is something that hopefully, eventually you will take the time to deal with. So go ahead and cuss me out and call me names for sharing my point of view with you. It doesn’t phase me one bit.
Your original post was manipulative and your second post is even more manipulative. You and the phony CO are from the same area and posted around the same time. It’s obvious that both of you will tell any lie on behalf of a stay. So, it is reasonable to believe that you may be the same person.
I don’t consider it a waste of my time to post the facts of this case to try to counter the disinformation campaign on this case. Of course, you would consider it a waste of time because you have no interest in the truth. You come here and argue for a stay and then claim you know nothing about the facts of the case. Pretty arrogant for you to think anyone would be interested in your opinion.
Since you are currently posting under a moniker, your claim that you don’t hide behind a fictitious name is ridiculous.
The desperateness of your posts, as evidenced by your continual manipulation and lying, reveals you to be a person with anger issues. We have certainly seen it many times before from antis. I suggest you take time off — maybe see a psychologist and find out why you feel compelled to lie to people about this issue.
And your psychobabble about me doesn’t phase me a bit since I will continue to post facts to yours and other antis lies.
Now, stop wasting my time.
What about pro’s lies or don’t they lie?
Just a question.
I’m interested in your opinion as you know the facts, no fuck that, you know everything.
And the way I see it (and any rightminded, albeit dumb individual would) is that you are wasting your own time with an obsessive need to have the last word. Along with your misunderstanding of that well known phrase – I don’t know, this could suggest that it is you, dearest(x) who is in need of psychiatric help.
Why don’t you call on D-Mac because at least he thinks he’s scary.
Nicely put Anon. Succinct and to the point.
Hardly succinct, it’s practically an essay.
Hi Anon,
I wanted to tell you that I have no doubt about the guilt of the dirtbag Skinner nor the power of your arguments, which are based in fact and evidence.
What I want to help you understand is the level of arrogant ignorance you are dealing with in Mr. Loon. I have lived in (and will always love) the United Kingdom and it is clear to me that Loon is a Brit.
Trust me when I say there is nothing worse than an arrogant arse of a Brit who thinks he is more clever than us dullard Yanks. They sit and stew in the ruins of their once glorious kingdom, which they have willfully handed over to brigands and haters because of their pathetic guilt over their colonial past. You cannot argue with a fool my friend. And you sure as hell cannot argue with an arrogant fool pushing away the life raft of common sense as they watch their country sink beneath the foulness of ignorance and political correctness. Ignore this poor soul. He is lost. I wish it were otherwise, but it is true of him and his homeland. They have become irrelevant via neglect, stupidity and misguided guilt. They are the end of a story that had the potential for greatness, but ended in pitiful ruin.
Keep fighting the good fight Anon. Don’t let the jaded buffoons of a degenerate Old World sway you from the truth.
p.s. Good job smoking out the other liars and posers.
I concur keep up the good work anon.
You’re doing great smoking out the liars with your wisdom.
It’s Ms Loon by the way but I’m sure YANKEEBRIT that is the only occasion where your astute perception was incorrect.
I’m obviously not over the collapse of the empire I mean why else would I question your assertions.
This case is in the hands of the courts not an internet site full of spiteful wannabes with warped minds. Thankfully, unlike you I don’t generalise so I won’t sink to the level of an anti-american speech.
I pity those that try to reason with you, only to be shot down with a torrent of abuse.
Your can’t read a simple paragraph without jumping to conclusions and ranting about imagined slights. Asserting your dominance with not a single fact to back it up – grouping anybody who challenges you into one group labelled “the enemy”
You sound like deluded cult members. Pathetic.
Dear MS. Loon,
Everything I said applies to Brits of the female persuasion too.
And if the last bits of your sad little diatribe aren’t anti-American, then everyone in the UK practices good dental hygiene.
Cheers.
At least he isn’t full of himself -I look forward to the scumbag eating worms.
Isn’t full of himself ARE we reading the same posts?
He comes across like someone with aspergers.
You come across as someone who thinks they are superior to everyone and you appear to talk down to everyone. Maybe it is just that I think Anon is right and you are wrong.
Jesus thank you for sharing that insight…it was quite…illuminating…..an epiphany almost.
Not Long Now Hank-Bet You Are Shitting Yourself.
What I Respect And Understand Is-You want Justice served,And The quicker The Better,What I Dont understand Is Why you Gloat,Count The clock Down, And Activly Check They have Been executed.
Yes You are Texas,And Wish other States Had The Conveyor Belt you Do,Yet In Many other States,Ie Ohio,Executions are Speeding Up,But Their Thought process Is, Execution on Tonight,And Thats It.
We Will never Have The Death Pen Back In The Uk, Despite Many A Deserving Cause, And The Majority Wanting It Back-Is Jutice Not Enough,Closure For Familys,One less scum To Feed In Prison.
Expecting A Barrage Of Abuse,Im Not Talking Down To Anyone-Just posing Valid Questions.
Is He Strapped Down Yet?.
OFF I meant OFF before anon does his weird aspergers thing and points it out.
So what’ll you be doing instead of celebrating in your weird and twisted way folks?
He got a stay you arsehole….put of that party a little longer
Re Theloon
Why Am I An AssHole,I Endorse His Execution,And Those Scum like Him,I Endorse Closure For Familys,I Raise A Valid Question,And For That Im An Asshole.
Well From your posts,You Endorse His Execution, You warrant Closure For The Family I Presume And hope.
So yet Again,Asking politly A Valid Question makes The poser An Asshole
I really couldn’t even guess at what you were trying to say to be honest it looked like a jumbled up piece of nonsense – I’m not even trying to be cruel there it just did.
I was calling you an arsehole for relishing and celebrating a death.
Asking if he was strapped down yet? are you sick?
By then the news had already come through he had a stay.
Celebrating this stuff is twisted, it’s really disturbing the only difference between some of these folk and “murdering scumbags” is that the murderers act out.
I am blown away by the attention this case is getting. I mean.. Larry King, REALLY?? I just read something about an interview!!
I don’t want to see an innocent person being executed for a murder when the real murderer is out there.. but come on, this guy seems guilty as sin from what I’ve read.
I consider myself a reasonable person and fair almost to a fault. I honestly don’t see why this guy is getting this much attention. Everything about it (that I’ve read thus far) screams GUILTY. I don’t care if you are for or against the death penalty. The bottom line is that this guy is guilty. If, by some chance, he’s not.. I hope they figure it out and the correct person is held responsible. But as far as reasonable doubt goes.. this guy is guilty beyond that.
I read elsewhere that he got his stay. So we have to continue to wait.
Here’s the link:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Skinner-stay-order-3-24-10.pdf
From my reading, if the writ isn’t received or approved by Justice Scalia, the timer is turned back on.
The application for stay of execution of sentence of death
presented to Justice Scalia and by him referred to the Court is
granted pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari. Should the petition for a writ of certiorari be denied, this stay shall terminate automatically. In the event the petition for a writ of certiorari is granted, the stay shall terminate upon the sending down of the judgment of this Court.
They needed more time in which to decide to grant cert or not. They may lift the stay tomorrow. How long does it take Texas to reschedule?
The death warrant will expire at midnight tonight. And, as Big Sis and I have up close and personal knowledge of, the Warden needs at least 45 minutes to carry out all of the execution protocols.
It won’t be tonight.
The way the stay is worded, the Court will convene in conference to decide if cert should be granted. The next conference day is this Friday (the 26th) according to the SCOTUS website.
Four Justices must agree to grant cert (this is by their rule, not any statute). But even with four liberal Justices on the Court, cert is rarely granted.
If cert is denied, then we’re looking at late April or early May before Skinner would again be scheduled for execution.
Oh, and your friend did a great job. I won’t mention any names because of the tendency of a group of people to harass those they disagree with in real life.
Who is that cryptic message intended for?
Prolly some fucking DPGroupie speak. Ooga booga conjugal visit innocent DNA held down by da man.
Ooga Booga? LMFAO! Fuckin Sam…you crack me up man!
Robbie. I posted under his name and it jumped down a couple of posts. No2Liberals, you and I had the same discussion a couple of years ago.
Robbie. I posted under his name and it jumped down a couple of posts. No2Liberals, you and I had the same discussion a couple of years ago.
Posts aren’t going where they’re posted.
It did it 3 times in a row, so I know it’s not me.
Don’t be surprised if the PrisonTalk groupies haven’t hacked this site.
Ask anonymous he’ll know.
how long is stay for ??? the fucker should went tonight
The Texas Penal Code is confusing on this, but it appears that if the Supreme Court denies cert, then the new execution date can be no sooner than the 31st day after the original court of judgment (in this case, whatever court in Tarrant County heard the case, as it was transferred from Gray County) sets the date.
So if the Court decided tomorrow to deny cert and the original court then set a date later that day as well, the earliest date per the statute would be April 25. That would be a Sunday and TDCJ only does executions three days a week (Tuesday through Thursday) then you’re really talking April 27 (the following Tuesday).
Far too long IMHO, but there are several on death row that have been there since the 1970s for whom a date still hasn’t been set (though there is one from 1978 who is coming up in May).
I doubt they would decide tomorrow. They may treat it like any other petition without a looming execution, i.e., a couple of days after a case is fully briefed (3/23/10),they “distribute” it for conference which is set in 2-3 weeks. A decision comes in a couple of days to a week later. This may be one of those cases where if they don’t grant cert., the justices will write an opinion explaining why, which means it will take longer. This case is very similar to the Osbourne case (that was one plucky ho) which is less than a year old.
http://goo.gl/hyf3
is it 5:16pm in texas i thought it was 6:16pm
There is a problem with the time showing on this board, which Mr. Cooper may not have had the time to fix. Add one hour to the time which appears once I post this reply and you will have Central Daylight Time (which is what Huntsville TX is in).
Even if the court says a defendant can have access to dna evidence under a civil rights claim, he still has to convince them that he can prevail, which he can’t do.
But if the Supreme Court grants him access to the evidence most likely they will also require DNA testing to be done.
Then things get interesting.
If the DNA evidence links to Skinner, the PrisonTalk groupies will claim evidence tampering. Nothing new there.
But if it doesn’t, then if you thought the PrisonTalk groupies were already out of control on this board, just wait until they hear that news.
Why would they grant him access if he can’t fashion a logical argument that further DNA testing would change the outcome? He can’t do that.
He may have a right under a 1983 claim to test the evidence but you still have to demonstrate that the results of further testing could change the outcome.
Let’s say that the DNA evidence comes back to a serial killer. Does that mean that Mr. serial killer removed skinner’s clothes, put them on, bludgeoned Twila to death, got blood spatter and cast offs all over his the clothes, removed the clothes, and redressed Skinner in his bloody clothes? I don’t think anyone would believe it. DNA from someone else would only prove that someone else was present. It doesn’t mean that Skinner is not responsible for the murder of 3 people. He doesn’t get a new trial.
Art. 64.03. REQUIREMENTS; TESTING. (a) A convicting court may order forensic DNA testing under this chapter only if:
2) the convicted person establishes by a preponderance of the evidence that:
(A) the person would not have been convicted if exculpatory results had been obtained through DNA testing; and
(B) the request for the proposed DNA testing is not made to unreasonably delay the execution of sentence or administration of justice.
http://goo.gl/S3d6
Skinner can’t meet the requirements for DNA testing.
Except if the Supreme Court orders testing to be done, which they may do notwithstanding the Code of Criminal Procedure citation mentioned.
They won’t order testing. The question before them is whether a defendant can request dna testing under this particular federal law. If the answer is yes, then they will order the case back to the lower court to hear the claim. The lower court would still has to rule whether or not to grant dna testing. Just because you may have the right for a court to hear your case on an issue doesn’t mean you will win.
Since further testing of dna will not be exculpatory, the USSC may deny his petition outright instead of wasting time sending it down to a lower court for them to deny it, resulting in Skinner once again appealing the denial to higher courts and winding back in the USSC.
They aren’t into exercises into futility. And as yet, no one has come up with any plausible theory on how further dna testing would prove Skinner innocent.
only got instrested in this case to-day as it was on the news channels in ireland, after doing some reseach in this case i think he is as guilty as sin, the whole texas death penalty is fascinating i wish we had it here in ireland, but why so long from sentence to execution
Phil, the reason it takes so long is because of the protections built into the system so the condemned is given every opportunity to prove their innocence, and for the system to not wrongfully execute an innocent person.
As a result, weasels and their weasel anti-DP lawyers use every word in every law and ruling to drag it out, hopefully get the sentence overturned, or at the very most, gain enough public support in their PR campaigns(like the antis you see showing up here) to end capital punishment altogether.
One thing you will hear the antis go on about is it cost too much to execute, which is true because they drag it out far too long, and at the same time they say life without parole is the best punishment and costs less. While there is some validity to that reasoning, what they refuse to mention in the next breath is, like in the EU where LWOP is the maximum sentence, there is a movement to have LWOP repealed as a violation of human rights.
I shit you not, and several here can back me up on that, as I posted a link on that movement on another DP thread more than a year or two ago.
OMG… N2L… I feel like I’m reading Hood’s bullshit! These 2 aren’t neighbors I hope…..
Big Sis, I’m not certain what you mean by “those 2.”
There was a story I posted a good while back on another thread where the EuroWeenies are trying to get LWOP repealed as a violation of human rights.
Seriously.
Skinner and Hood…. They sound like neighbors…… The bullshit appeal requests, its sickening, 20 + yrs waiting…..
It makes me angry.
Because of all the stupid appeals…if the perp admits he did it, and the evidence is overwhelming…we should just kill them right then.
Duh, I would say the victim’s fingernail clippings could change the outcome given there was matter under them which could identify the killer. The knives are critical too in identifying who perpetrated this murder. As for you dismissing the rape kit as there was no visual evidence of sexual violation it is ridiculous to go on that assumption. In a Capital case no stone should be left unturned. It is as much in the victim’s interests that the actual murderer is brought to justice. TX has no defense here for it’s utterly illogical, irrational and irresponsible decision not to allow this DNA to be tested. That the supreme court had to step into this matter should embarrass the hell out of TX and they deserve that and more for the disgusting way they administer the death penalty. The hypocrisy in how they justify it as cherishing life yet apply murder themselves so casually, coldly and blindly is reprehensible.
You should have stopped there, as it is the most intelligible thing you said, ass-munch.
LOL!
If you would bother to read earlier posts you would learn that Skinner’s capital murder conviction was not based on murder committed while committing a felony, but was based on multiple murders committed under the same criminal act (also grounds for capital murder, and thus the death penalty). Ms. Busby and her two sons were all killed at the same time
Testing the rape kit is nothing more than a red herring. It would not reverse the main evidence against Skinner–the bloody shirt he was wearing at his arrest, which was subjected to DNA testing and which had Ms. Busby’s blood on it.
There has yet to appear on this forum, a single anti-DPer or PrisonTalk groupie who can rationally explain how more DNA testing is going to overcome the extremely strong evidence of guilt all over Skinner’s bloody shirt. Let the rest of us not hold our collective breaths waiting — we would not want to pass out from lack of oxygen.
Blitz: Would you agree that Skinner beat Twila to death? If not, why not?
[Let's see if we can walk this guy through the obvious. I say no.]
No3Liberals you blatantly have no idea of what you are talking about with the DP appellate system. It is not remotely fair or just. At every juncture DR inmates are blocked and limited by procedural barriers which prohibit them from being able to defend themselves against the charges.
Might I remind TX has such an astoundingly poor record for the incompetence of it’s State appointed Habeas attorneys. Many had several infractions against them for filing late or submitting barely literate documents. This is shocking and totally unforgiveable when a life is on the line.
If a TX DR inmate is unfortunate and appointed one of these disgraceful Habeas attorneys (as tragically many have been since they couldn’t afford any better defence as the costs are huge and out of reach for the average person)then he is at their mercy. If they screw up and file late he is punished for it and it drastically reduces his options. If the State Habeas attorney doesn’t bother to investigate the case thoroughly (as many have been proven to do…) then whatever crucial issues were neglected and not incorporated into the State Habeas are then procedurally defaulted from Federal Review.
Any new claims have to be exhausted at State level via a subsequent application which is extremely difficult to qualify for.
Besides all of the above the State budget for a Habeas position is very meagre and does not cover the costs of working a case to the standard it should be.
So how the hell can you say the appellate process is cool for the DR inmate? It is years of torture and frustration where they have to battle for their rights and if they are low income they are often exploited and suffer the damning repercussions of useless lawyers who just want to collect a pay check.
Blitz–First you claim that Skinner is innocent because of lack of DNA testing (ignoring Skinner’s DNA-tested bloody shirt). Now you claim he’s innocent due to ineffective assistance of legal counsel (which you discuss only in general terms, not anything specific to Skinner’s case). What’s your next argument going to be?
Once again, pal, YOU are the one who doesn’t know what he is talking about. Now, answer my question about whether Skinner beat Twila to death and you might actually learn something, though I doubt it.
I see.
So that is why criminals such as Skinner are being hauled out the back of the court room and given a coup degrace immediately after the trial.
Oh…wait!
No2Liberals: Did you see how the two trolls found each other?
No, I did not, though I was just about to check ip info.
I’m referring to L and P.
L as in the loon, and P as in Paul?
Blitz is from London, btw.
Yep.
Blitz ran away. I have yet seen a murderer lover address the blood spatter evidence. They ignore it, fail to respond, runaway.
It’s years of torture and frustration for the families of the VICTIMS TOO waiting for justice to be served….
They have more rights than the victims/families…
It’s to bad he got a stay, I have been waiting more than 20 yrs to see justice done.
The reason that twats like Blitz have their panties twisted all the time about Texas is because Texas does do a good job. They have the dual supreme court system, the 5th circuit does a lot of these cases and therefore is very good at it. And they can rant all they want about Texas but the death sentences are upheld by the USSC.
Mark R
I suggest you try reading some appeals before you decide the merit of issues! You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. The knives and fingernail clippings are crucial to whether Skinner was the perpetrator of the murder he is accused of. If the rape kit was to prove another man was last to have contact with the victim then it could substantiate other allegations towards another suspect as the likely perpetrator.
Blitz: You fool. I read all, not some, of the appeals and opinions. It is you who does not have a clue what you are talking about. How many times to I have to post about the damn spatter evidence???
No the knives and fingernail clippings and rapekit are not crucial.
At the very most it might prove another person was present or another person was involved. It will NOT prove that Skinner did not bludgeon Twila to death.
And because he is guilty of bludgeoning Twila, even with your mythical imaginary person there, he is still guilty of the deaths of Randy and Elwin.
And, no, the uncle is not the murderer. I’m sure if the defense told you that the Easter Bunny was a suspect you mopes would believe it.
Mark R,
Read my posts! I never claimed Skinner is innocent. I merely highlighted the validity of his request to have the DNA items tested and illustrated how they could have changed the outcome of his verdict.
My response regarding the appellate process was to No2Liberals comment, not the Skinner case per se.
When you lie about the evidence in order to falsely portray a reasonable doubt you are claiming he’s innocent. This seems to be the popular and latest meme with the antis. It doesn’t fool anyone.
All you have illustrated is that you might of read a couple of defense briefs and you don’t have a clue.
Your response is ignorant no matter who you direct it to.
make that falsely create a reasonable doubt.
My fingers have had it.
See how Blitz and the rest always avoid the blood spatter evidence proving Skinner bludgeoned Twila. They pretend it doesn’t exist. They can’t explain it away.
The blood spatter evidence proves that Skinner was not sacked out on the couch but moving around. He lied.
If he lied about being passed out, and lied about killing Twila, who in their right mind would believe that he did not kill the sons?
Oh, yeah, Blitz.
And with 3 people being murdered that night, people like Blitz believe that the mythical murderer would ignore Skinner.
Not only him but the rest of the PrisonTalk groupies.
[fingers in his ears]
la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
I can’t hear you!
la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
I can’t hear you!
la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
The idea that Skinner would be in the house the same time that a murderous assault results in the deaths of three people (who were “overkilled”) and he comes out of that encounter with just one cut is ludicrous.
And the possibility that DNA testing of the rape kit might show that the principal victim had contact with some unknown third party is not evidence that the third party did the crimes.
And as anonymous points out there’s all that oh-so-inconvenient blood evidence on Skinner’s clothing.
If I could give advice to the anti-DP crowd, I’d tell them that before they embrace a condemned man as innocent on his word or that of his attorneys or fellow activists, they should read the trial transcript and perhaps talk to the police or prosecutor. And unless there’s overwhelming evidence of innocence, don’t go around trumpeting the person’s innocence…just make the moral argument that killing is wrong even when it’s a lawful execution.
When antis say something dumber than normal, I always think where the hell did they get that from? Inevitably, I find that they got it from the motions Skinner wrote himself. Let’s just say that he has a tendency to exaggerate, if not lie. He will cite no authority for his faux facts and his attys will never repeat them. Because they would get held in contempt if they did.
It amazes me that antis could be that dense and would take what a triple murderer said as true with no attempt to verify it.
Anonymous, just curious.
As for the posts, they have gotten weird, and aren’t showing up as replies. More of that interweb hooba-jooba.
Ask Robbie, No2L.
This scumbag gets another day of life…where is the justice?
Robbie: it is just as likely the evidence could come back inconclusive which the antis will then falsely declare exculpatory.
Again, I’d be shocked if they ordered dna testing, because he did murder Twila. So if he murdered Twila, and someone else theoretically murdered the other two victims, he is still guilty of triple murder and he is executed.
These are the rules regarding DNA that apply to everyone. But, of course, the antis always think their thug of the week is special and deserves special rules and special laws.
I hope Skinner rots in hell for his murderous rampage! Murdering a mother, and two challenged boys. Think about this, there are NO other f*cking suspects in this case. skinner should deserves to die…i wish they would kill him in the same manner he killed these innocent victims.
Blitz, would you feel better if Skinner blugeoned you to death aswell??? pretty disgusting huh???
YANKEEBRIT
That’s so sweet you said cheers at the end!
No they weren’t anti American comments in the slightest. They were specific to some individuals who post on this site. Those who assert that if you are anti DP then you must “hang out at PTO” – in reality I think they’re as freaky as you, the opposite end of the same spectrum.
You lack sympathy for the victims – uh no, I have nothing but sympathy for victims.
You must sit at home writing penpal letters to DR inmates – erm no never done that either.
You claim the innocence of all DR inmates – nope, not even one.
and finally, you lie and say that you “don’t know” when really you do – again what a load of bollocks, if I say I don’t know then I don’t.
But if you want to bring it down to the level of teeth!
You know Loon, you really need to get yourself a filing system to keep track of all the people on here who think you are an idiot and what comments they have made about or to you.
I never mentioned your private life of passion for DR inmates, I didn’t say anything about your lack of sympathy for the victims (though it wouldn’t surprise me since you have no room in your heart for anyone but DR dirtbags), I certainly never addressed the issue of your view on innocence or guilt because I think you are delusional and therefore not to be reasoned with.
I will, however, happily take credit for taking it to the level of mentioning poor dental hygiene in the UK. They do say that the infections related to rotting teeth can cause brain damage which would explain a great deal in regard to you.
Cheers!
Oh dear I think I’m going to cry….
My British teeth have infected my brain and rendered me delusional.
This is akin to arguing with a pre-school kid.pfft!
You know what they say, kids are brutally honest…
In a child it’s brutal honesty, in an adult it’s churlish, but keep on honing those fine debating skills.
LOL. You always have to have the last word don’t you?
That’s one of the things I like about the death penalty, the dirtbags we send to hell never get the last word. They get their own last words, but not THE last word.
Hell? it’s unlikely there is one, not when you’re dead anyway. Unless you have some proof?
Just a note to
Robbie Cooper
I’ll donate $100 dollars to the charity of your choice if you can point me to the evidence that implicates Hank Skinner without question.(I know of all the circumstantial stuff)
I’ve read through the appeal transcripts where it is touched upon but there doesn’t seem to be a report anywhere. (I’m referring to the blood spatter evidence)
Just kill the fucker already!
Weird…. my post came in halfway up the page…
This is too hilarious not to cross post. The murderer lovers will lie about anything. This guy is all pissed off because someone started a parody site of skinner’s. Make sure to visit it.
The poseur says: As a scientist, I am completely unbiased so let us look at the facts.
Anyway, read the rest of the garbage he wrote here: http://goo.gl/5QQE
These thug lovers are mentally unbalanced.
This guy is certainly no scientist. I know plenty of scientists (real ones who are highly respected in their fields, not just poseur wannabes seeking false credibility). None of them would ever propose remaining “subjective” in one’s assertions, for God’s sake. Since the very backbone of science is objectivity, true scientists put a great deal of effort into eliminating as much subjectivity as possible. And I don’t believe for a minute that this was just a “slip of the tongue” either. This was the main point of his post and he mentions the importance of “remaining subjective” at least twice.
Considering the hair and the toxicology report, that gives more scientific evidence for the defense than the blood on his clothing that was for the prosecution. Those are the facts and some reasons why the Supreme Court has stepped in and I urge you to consider them.
Not only was he not a scientist, his familiarity with the evidence was on the level of your average scumpal.
1. The blood on his clothes not only proves that he lied when he said he was passed out on the couch, it also proves that he bludgeoned Twila and stabbed Elwin. Funny how he rejects that scientific evidence.
2. The DNA results of the hair has been misrepresented by the defense. It does not rule out Skinner. However, since Skinner lived in the house and it was found in a high traffic area, it is forensically irrelevant.
3. The toxicology report only proves that at 5:45 am, Skinner had those levels. It does not prove what his tox levels were at the time of the murders since there is no proof when he took the drugs and booze. And since he was able to perform all these undisputed tasks, even his experts had to admit the results were not accurate.
4. The USSC took the case to address a conflict between the lower federal courts. It has nothing to do with Skinner’s alleged innocence.
5. Mr. Scientist is a nutter and a fake. Typical scumpal behavior.
What else do you expect from a fake scientist?
If one is dishonest enough to pose as a professional in any field, one should at least make a minimal attempt to educate oneself in the basic vernacular. This guy exposed himself as a fraud in his opening sentence! 
Like father, like daughter: http://goo.gl/tMpE
I was laughing about this thread. It appears the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. He played no part in her life. She claims she heard that he was going to be executed the day before he was scheduled and she rushed to Texas blah blah blah.
Someone dared to mildly question her about it and she went ballistics. She even got on the groupies nerves. She writes as if she’s on meth which would also make her her father’s daughter. And to top it off, she has the same ridiculous mug as pop, the triple murderer. Anyway, she now seems to think of herself as a death row princess.
Hank Skinner’s nemesis updated his website. It seems that Hank issued a new edition of Hell Hole News, #25, that was pulled from the internet and with good reason.
Though commentary is sparse, almost everything Skinner writes is a lie. That’s the problem with guys like him – you would have to waste at least a day on refuting him.
http://www.hankskinner.com/index.html
It’s the Clintoon defense, all over again.
Wow, what a deluded moron. Or, he just likes to dish out the delusions to the euroweenies because they believe him. This proves just how insane this dude really is…
It’s just amazing how many lies he tells.
“The time within which to file the joint appendix and petitioner’s brief on the merits is extended to and including July 22, 2010.”
I’m reading some of his stupid newsletters — again, I can’t emphasize enough how much he lies. He’s describing the evidentiary hearings and making all this crap up. The transcripts from the hearing are available for anyone to read and they contradict old Hank. What an idiot!
On Thursday, Sept. 9, 2010, the DA’s response brief is due. Skinner then has until 9/27/2010 to file his reply.
Hopefully, there will be no extensions of time to file briefs granted.
Well, today is the big day though I don’t expect it to be noted on the USSC immediately. We’ll have to wait for the french man-wife to post it to his fan site.
However, I noticed that the DA filed a letter of “proposed lodging” on 9/2 and skinner filed a letter in objection on 9/7. Neither letters have been posted to his fansite.
By “proposed lodging” they mean some sort of affidavit that was not initially transferred to the USSC. I can’t wait to find out what it is and why the triple murderer is objecting.
…noted on the USSC docket…
Switzer’s response is posted to his website. I don’t think it will interest anyone except those who are interested in procedure which is really what these cases are based on. It’s a good response.
Oh, and the additional documents Switzer wants to “lodge” with the court are all the briefs, opinions, and the HC hearings transcripts and exhibits. Hope they grant it.
Skinner’s reply brief is due tomorrow, 9/27. Oral argument is on 10/13.
For once, it seems someone was successful in inserting a ball gag into Skinner and his ugly wife’s mouths.
Saw this update yesterday on the scab, I mean Skinner.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69C5K820101013
A pack of weasels, from Skinner and his attorneys to the Innocent (After Proven Guilty) Project.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/nation-world/nation/20110307-u.s.-supreme-court-rules-for-texas-death-row-inmate-who-wants-dna-testing.ece
I guess all that blood splatter analysis wasn’t read by the Supreme Court???
The Supremes aren’t interested in the facts of the crime, only the process. They are acknowledging his claim that he was deprived of his rights by the state for DNA testing.
To me it is just another delaying tactic of a murderous SOB.
It appears that the gloves are now off in appellate-ville:
“It’s time for Skinner’s lawyers to stop the chicanery and the word games. By
now it is apparent that Skinner and his lawyers are unable or unwilling to provide
a straightforward assertion that Skinner did not kill Twila Busby, Randy Busby,
and Elwin “Scooter” Caler, and as a result they have failed to establish a genuine
issue of fact on Skinner’s actual guilt or on the ability of new DNA testing to
exonerate him. All they can offer are mealy-mouthed statements designed to create
an appearance that Skinner is claiming actual innocence while keeping the lawyers
within ethical and legal boundaries. There is nothing problematic about lawyers
deploying this type of strategy during a criminal trial, where criminal defendants
are presumed innocent and the proceeding is designed to resolve legal innocence—
whether the evidence at trial satisfies the proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt
standard. But it is fatal in this post-conviction civil proceeding, where Skinner’s
criminal conviction removes the presumption of innocence and where Skinner must
establish a genuine issue of fact surrounding his actual innocence. He does not
even make this assertion, let alone establish a genuine factual dispute.”
“District Attorney Switzer’s motion for summary judgment. Our contention is that the evidence taken
a whole prevents Skinner from establishing a genuine factual dispute over his actual guilt or the
possibility that further DNA testing might exonerate him. The pre-trial plea negotiations are merely
one component of that mountain of evidence of Skinner’s actual guilt, which also includes: (1)
Skinner’s decision to forego DNA testing at his trial; (2) The fact that Skinner was arrested wearing
clothes soaked with the victims’ blood; (3) The fact that Skinner’s bloody handprints were found
throughout the house where the victims were murdered; (4) Skinner’s failure to call the police or
seek help after the victims were murdered, even though Skinner admitted that he was in the house
during the murders; (5) Skinner’s decision, shortly after the murders occurred, to stitch a cut wound
in the palm of his hand rather than go to the hospital; (6) Skinner’s statement to the police upon
being told that he was under arrest for crimes unrelated to the murders: “Is that all?”; (7) Skinner’s
continued unwillingness to assert actual innocence in this court; (8) The continued unwillingness of
Skinner’s lawyers to assert in this court their belief in their client’s actual innocence.”
Though his appeals are not finished, Skinner is back on the execution calender for 11/09/2011. Good for Texas! Keep the pressure on and the case moving forward.
I’m sure his fugly french wench is stunned and trying to rally the other thug lovers…all to no avail…he is guilty and will pay for his brutal crimes.
Thanks for sharing that good news. I was hoping that final justice would be served before the end of the year. I will set my calendar, and plan on being in Huntsville to support the victims’ families as well as the laws of our state.
Hank Skinner has been given a new execution date: 11/11/11. I’ve closed comments to this post (as it already has over 200 comments) and have posted a new post here for new comments.