Welcome to your new, much more Socialist-than-Yesterday country!
Brought to you by the crooks and criminals in Congress — and make no doubt about it: the number of laws broken by Obama and Pelosi during all of their behind the ‘transparent” curtains were numerous.
So…as Mark Steyn declares, Happy Dependence Day.
If Barack Obama does nothing else in his term in office, this will make him one of the most consequential presidents in history. It’s a huge transformative event in Americans’ view of themselves and of the role of government. You can say, oh, well, the polls show most people opposed to it, but, if that mattered, the Dems wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing. Their bet is that it can’t be undone, and that over time, as I’ve been saying for years now, governmentalized health care not only changes the relationship of the citizen to the state but the very character of the people. As I wrote in NR recently, there’s plenty of evidence to support that from Britain, Canada, and elsewhere.
More prosaically, it’s also unaffordable. That’s why one of the first things that middle-rank powers abandon once they go down this road is a global military capability. If you take the view that the U.S. is an imperialist aggressor, congratulations: You can cease worrying. But, if you think that America has been the ultimate guarantor of the post-war global order, it’s less cheery. Five years from now, just as in Canada and Europe two generations ago, we’ll be getting used to announcements of defense cuts to prop up the unsustainable costs of big government at home. And, as the superpower retrenches, America’s enemies will be quick to scent opportunity.
Longer wait times, fewer doctors, more bureaucracy, massive IRS expansion, explosive debt, the end of the Pax Americana, and global Armageddon. Must try to look on the bright side . . .
Today marks the day that we all are forced to become Dependent on our government — first for all of our health care. But it will not stop here. For those of you who think it’s awesome to let the government take care of you, instead of using your own resources and hard work — you suck. Seriously you are a miserable creature. To the rest of you, keep fighting this. Vote out every single criminal who voted for this monstrosity.
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Dependent on our government?
This is news to you? Really?
Do you think your college tuition covered all of your educational expenses? How about those roads you ride on? You and your buddies build those too? If your house catches on fire, be sure to look up the number for the private fire crew – and wait patiently until they arrive. Then there’s health insurance. Even though you have it, if you take every penny of every premium you’ve ever paid, it would cover about 2 or 3 days of the intensive care you’ll need if you live through a motorcycle accident.
Really, you guys just come off as major-league cry babies. I would have expected more.
Guess not.
[quote]Do you think your college tuition covered all of your educational expenses? How about those roads you ride on? You and your buddies build those too? [/quote]
If employed taxpayers like Robbie didn’t pay for all those goodies, who did? Congressman? Santa Claus?
[quote]If your house catches on fire, be sure to look up the number for the private fire crew – and wait patiently until they arrive[/quote]
You watch. Fire, parks, EMS, police, and defense will all have to be cut, and cut dramatically to pay for the new ‘free’ goodies, that under Demcare mostly go to government employees lawyers.
[quote]Then there’s health insurance. Even though you have it, if you take every penny of every premium you’ve ever paid, it would cover about 2 or 3 days of the intensive care you’ll need if you live through a motorcycle accident.[/quote]
Hey Einstein, congratulations on discovering this thing called ‘insurance’. That’s where a large group of people all pay into a common pool so that there is enough to pay for one person’s motorcycle accident.
Of course under Magic Man’s new plan for bankruptcy, you can skip the ‘pay’ part of the equation, wait until you have an accident, and THEN buy insurance.
Do you see a little flaw in that plan?
I didn’t think so. Because CWalken, my friend, you live a world of fuzzy bunnies, teddy bears, and free lunches.
LMFAO! No shit
There’s a reason why health insurance providers should be able to refuse to sell polices to folks with pre-existing conditions.
It’s the same reason you can’t buy fire insurance WHILE YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE.
Or why you can’t buy flood insurance WHILE YOUR HOUSE IS UNDER WATER.
LMAO! No shit, OMG we are so fucked! We have idiots running the joint. Our beloved country is going to hell in a hand basket. My/our poor kids.
The pre-existing condition problem is real, and needs to be fixed.
It could be fixed too, had The Won listened to the Republicans about this.
It would take about a five page bill to do it. But that’s not enough pages for 129 new government agencies, plus billions in bribes and kickbacks.
Welcome to the USSA.
Here are my questions, not opinions -
1) If this really eliminates the financial incentive for students to become doctors (an argument heard many times) why are a total of zero of my transplant specialists concerned?
2) If this is such a great bill, why are the insurance companies so quiet?
3) The largest benefactor seems to be employers, who are set to save almost $5000 per employee. Now, considering the right wing claims to be the business owners in America, shouldn’t they be happy about all of this?
Any help with these questions would be greatly appreciated.
Steven
You are such a fucking idiot.
Try reading instead of opening your stupid fucking mouth.
ObamaCare by the Numbers!
Thank you No2, I do appreciate the link. My reaction looking it over is just WOW!!! I am amazed and shocked and well, angry is a good word for this.
While I have you here I may as well say something about your post BEFORE the link…..LMFAO!!! Such contempt. hehe
Sorry, my info usually is still in the blocks when I open the reply. That Anon post above was mine.
No prob, glad to share the info.
As for the Steven comment, what a fucking idiot.
Steven,
’3) The largest benefactor seems to be employers, who are set to save almost $5000 per employee. Now, considering the right wing claims to be the business owners in America, shouldn’t they be happy about all of this?’
No, this plan hammers business, small and large, with steep new taxes that seemed to be designed to punish investment and expansion.
There is a $2000 fine per employee if business doesn’t provide acceptable (to the government) insurance. If a business provides more than the minimum insurance many employees will pay tax on that plan.
Since insurance will cost more than $2000/year this is really an incentive for the private sector to dump health insurance altogether. The proles will wind up buying less insurance at more out-of-pocket costs. But since the individual fine for not doing this is cheaper than buying insurance, healthy young people will just wait until they get sick or have an accident and then buy from an exchange, which must take them with no waiting period. If any reader (I’m looking at you CWalken) don’t understand the math there, please find a math or economics teacher working in a private school to explain it to you.
Of course NONE of the new plan affects government and favored union employees. They all will continue to have the best insurance the private sector can buy for them.
1) I can’t speak intelligently about your “transplant specialists.”
I don’t know a single one of them (exactly how many transplant specialists do you have, anyway?).
But I am sure that they do nor represent the entirety of medical professionals (or even the entire field of transplant specialists).
But a recent poll shows that at least 46% of Doctors would quit if this pro-abortion Health Care Bill passed.
President Obama’s cousin, Doctor Milton Wolf, opposes Obamacare.
Obama’s own doctor, Dr. David Scheiner. opposes Obamacare.
2) Uh…insurance companies weren’t quiet at all about where they stood on Obamacare. They spent millions upon millions lobbying for the exact type of mandated health care reform that was just passed.
They’re quite now because they got exactly what they wanted from Democrats.
3) This claim is a lie. Employers will not be the benefactor and will not save any money.
Robbie -
Please refer to this post you made -
http://urbangrounds.com/2010/03/obamacare-tyranny/
This is from the block quote you put in that post -
“Families earning more than $88,200 a year (or whatever 400 percent of the poverty level equals in any given year) would be entirely on their own. Under the Senate bill, employers would not be required to purchase health insurance for their workers, and if they decided not to do so, the maximum penalty they would have to pay would be $750 per year for each worker they did not insure who subsequently received a federal subsidy to buy insurance. The $750 penalty on employers who decided not to insure their workers would be far less than they would pay in premiums for the $12,000 minimum required plan.”
This sounds to me like employers would benefit. This is where I got my information.
Thoughts?
High paid specialists will be fine.
It’s your family doctor who is going to be hammered. She’ll have to choose taking more patients per hour to make up for her cuts in reimbursement, try to find a government job, or go to law school.
The current plan rewards lawyers and punishes family practice doctors.
Check out this graph based on this information.
Don’t expect those trends to continue as this Marxist administration continues to destroy our economy and way of life.
A young physician by the name of Dr. Starner Jones wrote a short two-paragraph letter to the White House, accurately placing the blame on a “Culture Crisis” instead of a “Health Care Crisis.”
Tracy, here is another letter by a family practice physician, who has gotten 100% positive feedback from her patients who have responded.
Refuse to comply!
1) I visit three specialists for my transplanted kidney. I am lucky enough to have received two kidneys in short life. Few can say this. I spend around $800 per month on co-pays alone.
I have read this poll. You left out the key part – 46% “would consider” quiting. The poll I read said “having half of the medical profession quit is as likely as Republicans voting on this bill”
2) I did not hear from the insurance companies. But, I figured they were in full support of this bill.
3) If the individual must buy insurance (hence the shotguns
purchased by the govt) then why would the employer buy it for them? I believe someone posted about AT&T’s plans on your site just a few days ago.