Jul 132010
The thread on the now-very-very-dead killer Michael Perry has ballooned to over 250 comments, and since the next scheduled execution in Texas isn’t until Derrick Jackson’s date with the gurney on July 20th, I’m closing the comments on the Michael Perry thread and opening up this thread instead.
Feel free to continue to discuss the worm food formerly known as Michael Perry, or any and all other death row and death penalty-related topics here.
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Many of these cause celibres are so obviously guilty. The fact that there are people who will suspend belief and all common sense and argue that they are not guilty is scary.
The worms are getting hungry Derrik.
Sounds like another “victory” for the brady bunch of gun grabbers.
Some people are just down right sick in the head and that includes you sunshine…….you’ll be worm food someday….sick arse
But Derrick Jackson will be worm food before any of us. What’s the matter? Can’t stand the truth? LOL
Just don’t agree with legal homicide full stop. Makes the executioners murderers just like Derrick…..You people who are pro death penalty are just the same as all these murderers, how can you be content someone is going to die is sick in itself…..your the next serial killers…..sicko’s
You are a sick, sick woman. I almost feel sorry for you…but not quite.
I don’t feel sorry for her. Anyone that supports murderers that have no value for life is worthless to society.
M Holmes, I hope no one you love is raped and murdered by a serial killer, how bout a child you love?
Would you then seek his life to be spared and feed and cloth him all his life especially when he states he enjoyed what he did?
I think not.
But if you do want to support someone that commits such crimes against your family, you are as sick as he is.
Actually a few of those things that you mentioned have happened to my family. Doesn’t mean I agree with killing someone and that includes the one’s on DR…..So I am not a sick woman just someone that has compassion and to one that has gone through the worst imaginable pain one can through murder and rape…….So don’t preach to me…….
Your the preacher. You know we don’t agree with your pathetic thug lover views.
I’m just stating the obvious.
That you support violent criminals and we don’t.
Poof!
Yep.
Ahh the moonbats have come out to play and as all know there is no animal so dangerous to intelligent life due to it’s poisonous bite. For those who don’t know moonbat venom only affects higher lifeforms by destroying what brains they have. Stay away from them friends..unless you’re packing heat…in which case..make sure you shoot them before the nasty little bastards can bite you. I’d recommend a shotgun myself.
They’ve been carrying out sentences quite a bit lately. I hate when the antis and their partners, the msm, bombard us with propaganda about the DP. It’s the same memes issued monthly. One time they published their usual crap about use of the DP fading on a day when 3 executions were carried out. At least they have shut up for a while.
I carry a .45 semi auto and would have no problem unloading 8 rounds in less than 4 seconds. I competed in tactical handgun competitions for years and have thrown thousands and thousands of rounds down range.
As I always like to point out…. I am the big redneck at the walls unit whenever there is an execution. I carry a big Texas flag and am always willing to discuss my points of view with anyone brave enough to meet me face to face. I take great pride in the fact that my state does something with these vial creatures. Boo hoo all you want, you euroweenies and ubber liberal pricks will never convince the majority of Texans that you know best.
When someone is given a death sentence, it is not state sanctioned murder. It is an execution, a debt paid. No different than calling an exterminator to your house to get rid of pesky bugs. These thugs are a drain on society and made their own choices. I say good riddance to bad garbage.
If you choose to support these bastards, then you deserve all the shit given to you by the likes of someone such as myself. Call me a redneck, call me stupid, and call me a racist. I could NOT care less. Your enlightened attitude makes me laugh and also makes me very comfortable living in a great state where the rule of law is upheld. Where there are consequences for actions. Where bleeding hearts and killers are not put above the victims, and where the will of the people is heard.
As always…fuck you libtards and
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!
“I could NOT care less”
Thank you for getting it right…so few do these days and it makes me furious!!!!!
I’ve always believed in something Charlie Daniels once said “What this world needs is a few more rednecks.”
Ohio multiple child killer William Garner was put to death this morning for his 1992 crime. He admitted that he did set the fire, but thought that the kids would escape on their own. Sure, because young children are always calm, cool, collected thinkers in a crisis situation.
Prayers to the five (yes, FIVE, Jesus!) victims’ families and as always, an “Adios, f*cker!!!” for Mr. Garner.
His atty argued that he had the emotional level and/or intellect of a 14 year old. I was 14 year old once, I don’t remember thinking it would be okay to set the a house with little kids asleep in it on fire.
There was also this meme either floated by garner or his attorney that he was trying to bring attention to the children’s squalid living environment. I guess that is why he broke in and stole what little the people had before burning the place and the kids down.
Michelle the next one who is going to be killed is you if you don’t shut the fuck Up you bitch.
rest in peace mr garner
[NOTE from Robbie: Well, done douchebag. You've become only the third Liberal piece of shit to be banned from my site in 5+ years. Oh, and your IP address has been logged (83.209.25.164) along and the police have been informed of your death threat.]
Wow. Threatening to kill a woman because she doesn’t share your love for a guy who burned 5 little kids to death. What rocks to you people crawl out under?
What a waste of a comment. Trying to get a rise out of a woman by attacking her when you know how horrible it is to kill all those children.
Your a pathetic waste of a human being.
No, psycho, it is better to execute them. Why you think anybody gives a shit what you think about it is a sign that you are mentally ill.
Media Advisory: Derrick Jackson scheduled for execution
AUSTIN—Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott offers the following information about Derrick Leon Jackson, who is scheduled to be executed after 6 p.m. on Tuesday, July 20, 2010. A Harris County jury found Jackson guilty of capital murder for killing Forrest Henderson and Alan Wrotenberry.
FACTS OF THE CRIME
Forrest Henderson and Alan Wrotenberry were Houston Grand Opera singers who lived in Henderson’s apartment.
On Monday, September 12, 1988,Alan Wrotenberry failed to appear for work at Deer Park Elementary School, where he was employed as a music teacher. At 9 a.m., the school principal contacted Henderson’s apartment manager to check on Wrotenberry. The manager unlocked Henderson’s apartment door and found nothing disturbed in the living room and kitchen. He proceeded to one of the bedrooms, pushed open the door, and saw a body covered with blood. He promptly left and called 911.
Police officers arrived at the apartment soon thereafter and detected no signs of forced entry. They found Wrotenberry’s and Henderson’s bodies in their respective bedrooms at opposite ends of the apartment.
Henderson’s nude body was lying face-down in his bed, and Wrotenberry’s body, clad only in a pair of swimming trunks, was lying on the floor of his bedroom. Police found a bloody metal bar in the hallway and a bloody knife in the kitchen sink. Blood was all over the bedroom walls, doors, and curtains. Both victims’ wallets were missing, and Henderson’s car was gone. Two or three days later the car was recovered after a chase following a burglary at a mall, but the driver was not apprehended. Apart from the burglary, police recovered no other evidence from the car.
A forensic pathologist testified that Alan Wrotenberry suffered a severed carotid artery, cuts to the vertebrae, and at least three blows to the back of the head with a narrow blunt instrument, such as a pipe. Forrest Henderson received a shallow, non-fatal cut to the neck, defensive wounds on both arms, a six-inch fracture of the skull from blunt force, and multiple stab wounds to the torso. Fixed lividity in both bodies signified that both victims were dead for more than eight hours before they were found.
Blood samples and 20 identifiable fingerprints were collected from the crime scene, but the Houston Police Department (HPD) was unable to develop leads to a suspect.
In 1995, HPD upgraded to a new fingerprint system with an expanded database. The new system matched Jackson with prints lifted from a beer can and a glass tumbler in Henderson’s bedroom. A bloody print found on Henderson’s bedroom door also matched Jackson.
An HPD serologist testified that type-B blood was found on a bedroom door. Jackson is blood-type B; both victims were blood-type A. Police found no other identifiable blood type sample at the crime scene. A DNA expert testified that Jackson’s DNA profile matched DNA from stains on a red towel and a beige towel located in Henderson’s bathroom.
David Trujillo, who lived next door to Henderson and Wrotenberry, told police that around 10:30 p.m. on September 10, 1988, he heard music and Henderson’s voice through the common wall separating their apartments. Trujillo went to sleep around 2 a.m. and was awakened at 4:45 a.m. by the sound of Wrotenberry screaming “Oh my God. No. No,” several times. Trujillo also heard what sounded like someone being hit numerous times with a pipe or baseball bat. After 30 minutes of silence, he heard the water running for about 45 minutes. Trujillo never heard Henderson’s front door open or anyone leave.
THE PENALTY PHASE EVIDENCE
The State presented evidence that Jackson snatched a woman’s purse in 1990. The State also presented evidence that Jackson robbed two other victims of their purses at gunpoint, and attempted to steal a car.
PROCEDURAL HISTORY
6/19/97 — Jackson was indicted for capital murder by a Harris County grand jury.
3/12/98 – A jury found Jackson guilty of capital murder.
3/17/98 – After a separate penalty hearing, the jury answered the special issues and Jackson was sentenced to death.
5/17/00 – The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals affirmed Jackson’s verdict and sentence.
1/6/00 – Jackson filed a state application for a writ of habeas corpus.
12/1/04 – The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals adopted the state habeas trial court’s findings and, upon such basis, denied relief.
11/30/05 – Jackson filed a federal petition for a writ of habeas corpus in a Houston U.S. district court.
2/12/07 – The federal district court granted the state’s motion for summary judgment and denied relief.
3/9/07 – Jackson appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
2/14/08 – The Fifth Circuit affirmed the federal district court’s denial of a certificate of appealability.
5/23/08 – Jackson filed a petition for a writ of certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court.
10/6/08 – The Supreme Court denied Jackson’s petition for a writ of certiorari.
10/28/08 – Jackson filed a Rule 60(b) motion in the federal district court.
3/31/09 – Th federal district court denied Jackson’s Rule 60(b) motion.
4/13/09 – Jackson appealed the denial of his Rule 60(b) motion.
10/9/09 – The Fifth Circuit affirmed the district court’s denial of Jackson’s Rule 60(b) motion.
7/20/10 – Jackson is set to be executed on this date.
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagNews/release.php?id=3408
Do you have any idea what how stupid you sound? Now, you do.
What how?
Do have any idea how stupid you sound? Get a life. Go back to europe. rape little boys, go to a dentist, blame the USA for all the worlds problems, flush twice and stay away from Texas. Come here, commit murder and you will pay a hefty price. We don’t care how lofty you think your society is and we surely don’t care what you think of our justice system.
We are a nation of laws. We hold most people accountable for their actions. We try to obtain justice for the victums and the victums family. We have saved your ass countless times and whenever something happens the world over…the USA is EXPECTED to pony up the cash. I for one am tired of being the whipping boy of the world. Just because we have a POS president that thinks America is evil, I will never support that view. God bless the USA for all we have done the world over. For being the symbol of freedom and paying the price that so many others are not willing to pay. Even for their own nations. Shame on you.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!
Do you have any idea what how stupid you sound? Now, you do. POSTED BY ANONYMOUS | JULY 14, 2010, 12:18 AM
The above comment was directed to our troll. However, his posts went poof.
And they always will.
He claims it is because of the content of his posts, all the while ignoring his psychosis.
NO2LIBERALS,
Just read the Perry comments and saw you are from the Caddo Lake area. LOVE that lake. I have caught plenty of bass there. I grew up in Springfuckinghill LOL.
Nice to see someone from my old stompin grounds around here.
Caddo is my sanctum santorum.
I always knew it was special, but hearing others say so is comforting.
I watched that National Geographic show on the death penalty and death row in Texas.
They covered 3 death row inmates during their last days.
Only 1 accepted responsibility and accepted his death as punishment for brutally killing a woman and her 14 year old son with a bat.
The other 2 denied what they did.
One shot an elderly woman in the face in her home during a robbery and the other brutally raped and killed a drug addicted woman.
The strange thing was seeing them after they were executed.
To look at someone dead that caused so much pain and only hurt during their lifetime finally gone.
They deserved their punishment. The pain in their families faces as they touched them deceased were only caused by them. NOT by Texas.
I will always believe firmly in the death penalty. Regardless of the childhood, once a person is an adult, they make choices. They can choose to follow a hard path or change and follow the right path. I had a difficult childhood. I didn’t have a father or mother and was raised by my wonderful grandmothers that have long since passed away.
I would never use that excuse to validate any destructive behavior but they do and quite often.
This is why I have no sympathy for them. We make choices. I made the choice to work my way through school and when I had a child,to be a good parent and raise her like a child should be raised. With love, teaching her to be a positive member of society. She is grown now and I have accomplished that.
They chose to do drugs and take and hurt and hate.
They chose to kill innocent people.
They are not fit to live among society. I do not believe we must take care of such evil people all their lives. For the euros, Texas determines (more frankly a jury of their peers) decides if this “person” will be a threat to society in the future. This means correction officers as well. If they pose a violent threat, they are not allowed to live. They could take another life if freed OR if in prison. When the 12 people that have weighed all the evidence and determined the perp is guilty of a Capital Offense, they then determine if they are capable of perpetuating that violence again and if so, they are given the death penalty. Why should any more victims suffer at the hands of such violent criminals? We give them ample appeals and when exhausted, the date is set. They have time to accept their death, not like their victims. They have time to say goodbye to family, not like their victims. They have time to “get right with God” (most never do though, it’s only words, you must truly repent in your heart to be forgiven and I’ve seen time and time again, Michael Perry for instance, who never accept responsiblilty for their vicious crimes). They die a peaceful death, NOT like their victims.
Yes, I will always firmly support the death penalty. The antis must really ask themselves why they support such evil people. They state they can be rehabilitated. Once you invalidate life itself, the taking of a life in such a brutal way, there is no rehabilitating in my opinion. The perp has demonstrated they do not value life. Once life is treated in such a way, there is no return to protecting the precious miracle of life in itself. They have taken the one thing that is most valued in our society. The justice system taking theirs is to protect any future possibility that they would take another. We cannot allow that. Vicious murders in Europe are given 10 years max when given life and could be let out again to brutally kill again. That to me is deplorable for a society to put more innocent victims at risk.
And it makes me proud to life in a state where they value the lives of our valued citizens and they protect us from this evil murderer from ever hurting another person again.
God Bless Texas!
Sorry the comment is long and a few misspellings…my thoughts were flowing fast and strong on this subject…
Amarius,
This articulates my views exactly and was so well-stated. The only thing that I would add is that when any society is “soft on crime” by letting a murderer off so easily, the hands of all the members of the collective society are stained with the blood of any new victims.
To tolerate such leniency toward murder is to condone it. It places a greater value upon those who choose to commit murder than on the innocent victims. Such societies reward the vicious and do nothing to protect the docile and helpless.
Thank you Tracy
, It really boggles my mind how certain people only focus on the criminal instead of their crime of taking away an innocent life. Prisontalk in no way focuses on the crimes they commit or the brutal horror that was demonstrated by their actions. They only treat them as if they are loving innocent victims of a society that can’t possibly see that the crime they committed wasn’t really their fault. Their childhood was horrible or they weren’t in their “right mind” when they did what they did. I have no sympathy as I stated for that. I read your adoption comment but didn’t have time to respond that day. You were adopted and I had no parents. Does that give us the right to hurt and destroy because we were “abandoned”? NO. We created productive lives filled with love and admiration for the miracle of life. They CHOSE not too.
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I appreciate your comment very much and I feel honored to have made your acquaintance
Likewise.
Until I discovered this site a couple of years ago, I remained blissfully unaware of sites like PrisonTalk. I had no idea what PTO was until someone provided a link to a thread started by that Banshee character (the Peter Cantu “worshipper,” for lack of a better description).
It has truly been an eye-opening experience to read the opinions of those who support such sites — not to mention quite disturbing.
From where in the world do these people come? What motivates them to ferociously defend the vicious and to show complete disdain for the victims? I’ve never in my life met anyone in the flesh who espouses such ridiculous beliefs. Do these people really live amongst us? Do they really hold such twisted views or are they just trolling blogs trying to elicit a reaction for thrills?
It saddens me to think that anyone would place their highest value on protecting those who would harm the innocent. Out of all the worthy causes in the world, this is what they choose to sink all their efforts and passion into . . . It truly blows the mind.
The leniency of a soft and PC government is NOT necessarily the majority will of all the people. How can the ordinary people have victims’ blood on their hands?
We vote, but our politicians are no more reliable than yours. Europeans have no death penalty, so there is NO debatable or arguable issue concerning this in politicians campaigning.
Our people and our public are no more responsible and are no more to blame than yours. We abhor murder. We want the perpetrators punished. Our society is no more responsible for the murders and lack of punishment for murder than yours. Please do NOT place on ordinary people the blame that should attach to government.
Lynne,
When I made the above statement, I was not singling out or targeting citizens of the U.K. (or citizens of any other particular country). Though I believe this statement applies to any society (with the exception of those who suffer under crushing totalitarian regimes), I particularly focus on the U.S. since this is the country where I have a legal voice. I have no legal voice in how other countries punish their criminals.
I have seen murderers released from prison here in Texas who, after serving ridiculously light sentences, went on to claim more victims. In Tennessee, convicted murderers serving life sentences are allowed to work outside prison — even without supervision by armed personnel. These are just two examples of what I perceive to be miscarriages of justice here in my country. I feel that it is my responsibility to speak out against this and to fight to effect stricter laws.
I realize my statement was strongly worded, but it was a condemnation of those who are complacent or, even worse, those who actually seek to soften the punishment of the worst offenders — allowing them the possibility to strike again. This, to me, is unconscionable.
As citizens, if we choose not to speak out against such leniency and instead tolerate it, then we are indeed condoning it. And, if we condone such leniency by not fighting to correct it, then we do choose to bear part of the responsibility for such leniency. That responsibility may, unfortunately, include some culpability for any new victims claimed by a proven murderer.
I do realize that there are plenty of citizens in all countries who do speak out against lenient sentences for violent offenders. It can certainly take a long time to effect changes in laws. I did not mean to tar these citizens with the same brush as those who seek such unjust leniency or those who complacently accept it.
And, again, I was not placing more responsibility on the citizens of other countries than I was placing on citizens of my own country — including myself.
You are quite right, I am from Europe and I am ashamed for the justice system in my country (the Netherlands)
Killers get very low sentences and the jails are slightly less then vacation parcs.
You get higher penalties for speeding, parking then for capital murder.
Crime does pay overhere.
People get killed for their believes by religious idiots (which by the way we import by the dozen).
They got live what means here about 20 years or less.
People in government are sick doctors,who let stinky wounds behind.
I would like a system like in the majority of the US States, but only not so long stays on Death Row, if someone is guilty so be it and proceed to the penalty within a couple of years.
I want to add something, just recently a killer who has killed 6 people (he was already wanted for murder in his own country, but hey who checks what comes in our country !) just got his right back to make visits to relatives outside the prison.
So you killed someone and still are allowed to go outside jail !!!
Sometimes they kill or rape again on these occations or never report back !!
How sick can justice be ?????
PVV stemmer zeker?
[NOTE from Robbie --- the rest of your post was deleted. Because it wasn't in English.]
Uh, one of the few rules here is that you must post in English.
Dutch,
I’m sorry your government does not value the lives of your nation’s innocents enough to provide justice on their behalf. They, and their families, deserve so much better. Perhaps, with enough public outcry, you can eventually effect change in your laws and tip the scales toward justice and the protection of your law-abiding citizens. It is a travesty of justice to simply slap perpetrators on the hand for committing capital murder and then allowing them back on the streets to harm yet another unsuspecting person.
Well Tracy, the public is already asking for more severe penalties, but our government is too deaf and blind to see what is happening.
People in government earn good money and don’t live in those area’s where the most crimes are taking place.
If you want a normal peacefull life, the Netherlands is not the place to be.
If however you are involved in drug pushing, white collar crimes, child porn and so on, you are in the right place.
We even give you social wellfare, a car, a house and much more.
The stupid Dutch will pay for it all by tax.
If you are too lasy to work and want to profit from society … come on in !!!
Our culture that was build by hard work from our ancestors is being destroyed by all the leechers that are coming from all over the world.
I hope I will be able to leave this country within a couple of years.
Wow, I am truly sorry to see innocent people suffer when a beautiful country with such a rich heritage forsakes its first duty: Protecting law-abiding citizens should be the priority of any government.
This is none of my business — and you don’t have to answer, of course — but I am just curious to know whether you were born and raised in the Netherlands? If so, then it truly is a momentous decision to leave the place which has always been your home. It speaks volumes about how bad “the system” truly is there. Best of luck in moving your family and yourself to a safer place — or least a country that has the safety of its law-abiding citizens at heart. You and your family deserve much better.
Yes, Tracy I am born and raised in the Netherlands, but our population is changing rapidly with all the people who are coming in from abroad.
They never payed taxes, most of them are sick, involved in crime and so on.
Some can’t even read or write, how would they support themselves in a high competitive society like ours, other than living off the society.
We pay the most of all Euro countries to Brussels, although we are the smallest country.
Look at the Greek, they have had to work only until they were 53 years (we had to until 65 and now 67) the Greek got a 13, 14 and sometimes a 15 month pay each year.
Their government lied about their financial state and now we have to bail them out with our Euro’s.
Spain and Portugal are next in line.
That’s the blessing of the Euro !!
First we got screwed with the conversion from guilder to Euro and now this.
No this country is not the place I would like to grow old.
Luckily we do not have children, so we can leave when we want to.
I hope within 4 years if we still got the health to do this.
But we are drifting away from the original subject from crime vs. punishment.
I think that when there is no doubt about someones guilt, the society is obliged to prevent this criminal to strike again.
If that means death penalty, so be it.
But stay humane and do not let the offender stay on death row for 32 years like in David Powell’s case.
He admitted the crime, all evidence was there, so proceed with the penalty within a reasonable time.
Don’t give the offenders false hope for clemancy by keeping them on DR for so long.
Justice here in my country is as I told before a joke.
So I am in favour of the Death Penalty in those severe cases like Michael Perry, Garner, Powell etc.
Texas (and other States)makes sure there is no possibillity to let the offender kill again.
I also think considdering the circumstances on DR it is a relieve for the convicts also to be able to end it all.
Not to mention the families and relatives from the victims who are scarred for live and must somehow try to put it all behind them and proceed with their lives.
The Death Penalty brings closure for many involved.
I wish we had the same justice overhere.
The Lord will judge all of us in the end …
Well, all the best Tracy.
Thanks for your response, Dutch. I agree with your assessment of the death penalty. I also see it as the best way of preventing a proven murderer from striking again.
Regarding how long some of our inmates remain on death row: I wish the sentencing was carried out much quicker, but I accept that we must provide safeguards in the form of appeals (to be doubly certain of the convicted’s guilt). It is frustrating, in cases like Powell’s, where the convicted is granted one trial after another, based upon technicalities. It must be agonizing for the victim’s family to wait that long for justice to carried out.
Best of luck in all your endeavors.
This pretty much sums up my feelings on capital punishment;
When asked by a reporter what he felt when he killed a terrorist, the
Marine sniper shrugged his shoulders and replied, “recoil.”
Per National Geographic: This story is not one of guilt or innocence…
Of course, not. They really don’t want people to learn what these people did to earn the death penalty and they don’t want them to know how strong the evidence is against them.
All these news reports are slanted so as to make them not look as bad as they really are. It’s important to read the cases. However, the case opinions address legal issues with a few facts to support them. It’s important to try to find the habeas corpus opinion or even better, the memorandum of facts which is always unpublished. These are prepared by the trial courts or the lower federal courts. Often, additional evidence is heard. The state’s brief in response to the defense petition for habeas corpus is also fact filled. These documents tend to be very long.
It is too bad that more court documents are not readily available online to the general public. The paucity of legal documents just makes it that much easier for the antis to propagate lies for their cause.
Some states are very good, though it is still hard to find trial court findings. Most federal documents can be found on Pacer but there is a charge and navigating through it can be confusing. [I'm afraid to look at my Pacer bill!]
Linda Carty should be getting a date soon. Expect a lot of gnashing of teeth from across the ocean. A couple of months ago, someone started posting around the internet where to find the federal memo of facts online for free. It was on Reprieve’s server, but with no link. In fact, if you look at all of what Reprieve posts, they deliberately omit all statements of facts except for their dishonest editorialized version. But because they had to attach these to the petition they filed in the USSC they were on their server. Of course, now that word got out, it has been removed.
However, someone downloaded it and reposted it: http://goo.gl/9Oi7
It’s 4 documents. The interesting one is Appendix D which starts on page 71a. I advise downloading it and if you can, convert it into a searchable document. You get a very different picture of Carty then what her supporters are selling you.
Thanks for the link. I did not know very much about this case and am very glad that I took the time to read through that document (I began on page 71a, where you suggested). Quite a different picture of Carty than that painted by the antis does indeed emerge — and it isn’t a very pretty picture either. Carty’s cell phone record alone substantiates the account of the commission of the crime — and her lengthy history of repeatedly claiming that she was pregnant to multiple individuals is damning. She was obsessed with getting a baby to win back her boyfriend. Good Lord, but what is the deal with all the women who murder other women to steal their babies? It seems to be some nightmarish — and ghoulishly evil — new trend.
I was intrigued by a statement made on page 91a. Once the men who Carty had recruited realized that they had been duped into helping her kidnap the mother and baby, they considered killing Carty because they were so angry about being so blatantly used. I find it difficult to have much compassion for them since none of them had balls enough to release the mother against the wishes of Carty. Even if they never intended to kidnap the woman, they still participated in her kidnap and made her kidnapping and murder possible. And none of them did a damn thing to free her; so, to me, their condemnation of Carty’s actions falls a bit flat.
I was revolted by the description of the mother bound and in the trunk, crying and talking to her baby as they began to tape her up and then close the lid. Remember, this was mid May in Texas. She had to know then that they were going to kill her.
Carty told somebody that she left her cellphone in the car she lent to this guy. I don’t even know if it came into evidence. I’ll have to check.
I assume that Carty’s daughter rented the car for her b/c she had bad credit or because she was black balled from car rental agencies because of her prior GTA. So, we would have to believe that Carty would lend her rental car and her daughter’s car – both without her daughter’s permission to someone else. It’s just BS.
Oh, the part where they described the poor mother crying and talking to her baby and to Carty, who was holding her baby, was absolutely heart-wrenching. How anyone could look at another human being’s desperate, tear-stained face and not move Heaven and Earth to help them — and instead turn a blind eye and lend a deaf ear to their pleas — is something that I will never understand.
There were a number of different eyewitnesses in varying walks of life (Carty’s boyfriend, a neighbor, an officer, the lady from whom she rented her storage units, her accomplices, etc.) who all described how Carty had talked about having a baby boy on the particular day that the mother and baby were abducted. That, in itself, is not a minor detail that can simply be dismissed. Plus, she had a history of making false claims of being pregnant — a history which went back for years. This time she was desperate to actually produce a baby because her boyfriend had finally walked out on her, citing disgust with all of her lies.
The Euro-wiennies are a bunch of pussies, their own history proves that.
Will you STOP putting all Europeans in the same bag and INSULTING all of us and all our history!!
We are NOT all the same.
As much as you guys are all different – so are we all different.
We don’t all whine and cry about the death penalty.
What part of England’s history stands out for you. The way the royal family (Tudors and Stuarts) executed their own? Or maybe the way you have treated the Irish for decades? Or perhaps the Anglo-Saxon (read Germanic people) invasion? (you have German origins Brit
). Maybe the Protectorate years ring a bell? How about the joke that the House of Lords is? Have you checked lately how Britain treats immigrants who slave on that island of yours? My guess is yoiu don’t know Jack about all these less-than-glorious pointsof English history. Hit the history books and read up on current events. Bye, bye…
My brothers murderer…on Death Row now for 12 years…12 years too long, that in itself is criminal along with the never ending appeals process. This monster raped, beat and tortured my two teenage daughters before murdering my brother. The lives of everyone in my family changed that night. His last appeal held in new Orleans this past January, after numerous denials we await this outcome within the YEAR! This man not only killed my brother but 4 more of the 10 people he randomly shot over 6 months…an 82 year old woman feeding her invalid husband in her home, a 78 year old man in bed sleeping with his wife and 5 yr old grandson nearby, a woman returning to her grandmothers carrying Christmas presents as well as executing his own brother in law. He said he killed out of hatred of white people!My brother…decorated Firefighter and father of two, Willie Ryman. The murderer…Elroy Chester, long time criminal, rapist and murderer now on Texas Death Row.
Kim,
My heart pours out to you and your family, as well as to the families of this monster’s other innocent victims. May your dear brother — who was a brave protector of the helpless as a courageous firefighter — rest in peace. May your precious daughters experience healing. I hope the penalty is carried out soon so that you and all of your family may have some peace and closure. Blessings to you all.
I googled his name and usually the first thing that will pop up is their tdcj admission sheet. It said he had completed 12 years of education. I thought, great! No bullshit Atkins claims. Then I found the briefs for the cert petition. I don’t believe for a second the guy didn’t know what he was doing. He’s not fucking retarded to the point that he doesn’t understand. He needs to be executed now.
you wouldnt believe the expense people go to to try and prove the justification of his crimes. Lawyers from Alaska flew in on behalf of the aclu at one hearing. They were chatting it up, joking and laughing with him…OMG…he would have raped those naive young hot shot chick lawyers in a second and had them swallow a bullet from his handgun! Just a sign of the total disconnectedness with reality these people have.
We have fought bills brought before the Texas congress that would get killers as chester off death row, so far with success thanks to Gov Perry. BUT surely the time will come when the liberals with infiltrate our Texas government and the compassion for the “unfortunate” murderer will outweigh the compassion for the murdered with disregard to possible future victims based on diluted laws reguarding sentencing. Just another example of victims rights taking a back seat to the criminals rights.
That’s pretty much what they have done in other states. They just keep chip away at it. What they can’t do legally they will do illegally, e.g., these stupid moratoriums “to make sure it’s fair.” We already have a system of review to make sure it’s fair – they’re called appeals. They have the media in their pocket. Texas papers all have these DP sections. I’m banned from posting in most of them. LOL! Why? Because I copy and paste the findings of facts from the courts that they don’t want the public to see.
Elroy Chester has a date! April 24, 2013.
Kim,
I wish you strength for you and your daughters in the upcoming time.
I sincerely hope that this horrible crime will find it’s closure for you by the execution of this monster.
Maybe you can find some peace of mind by the thought that the punishment that this monster will get after his death will be much more severe than we can give him.
A higher court will judge him and sentence him appropriately.
All the best.
Some interesting news from C&C:
1. Polanski walked because the State Dept. dropped the ball (though I have to wonder why the Swiss government didn’t also notify the LADA about their request for information, too.)
2. That bitch Lynne Stewart finally was sentenced to 10 years. She complained that being separated from her family the last 8 months in prison was haaaaard. Did she ever think how hard it is for the families who had loved ones killed because of her nonsense? The maximum sentence was 15 years and she should have been maxed out. The bitch hated America so much she would pass messages for terrorists.
http://goo.gl/U1Q2
3. Because Omar Abdel-Rahman was not sentenced to death because of some jackass antis, he’s been able to continue with acts of terrorism. These shits who value the lives of murderers over the innocent disgust me. It’s not just a difference of opinions. Their position endangers lives. http://goo.gl/oaon
The blog ate my post!
There was some interesting news on C&C:
1. Polanski was freed because the State Dept. dropped the ball. However, I have to wonder why the Swiss didn’t also notify the LADA about this request for the transcripts.
2. Lynne Stewart was sentenced to 10 years. She deserves the max of 15. She’s not so cocky anymore.
3. The terrorist she helped, and managed to continue with his terrorist activities from prison because of people like Stewart.
http://goo.gl/U1Q2
http://goo.gl/oaon
This thread is acting quirky.
Top Texas criminal judge warned but keeps job.
She should have been exonerated.
It amazes me how they over look TDS’s incompetency, dishonesty, and over all unethical behavior in this mess.
Why hasn’t any action been taken against them and the killer’s inept attorney?
I don’t know what is so hard to understand about a 5p.m. closing time and they should have anticipated the SCOTUS ruling and been prepared for the filing in the first place.
To me the only bad action by anyone in this situation was by Richard’s attorneys.
Probably, because no citizen of Texas filed a complaint with the state bar against them.
Apparently the thug lovers don’t get upset at the incompetence and lack of professionalism from their legal teams.
In other news, what in the wide-wide world of sports is a goin’on in Tennessee?
A massive moonbat invasion?
The case is old and I can’t find any info on it. Murder for hire – sounds like Mary wanted her competition rubbed out. The article never quite says it but though sentenced to life, that only means life until paroled. Antis keep lying and saying they want lwop but they don’t even want life let alone life with parole. Their goal is to make us as morally corrupt as europe.
It’s a classic example of incrementalism. They know they can’t get everything they want in one fell swoop, so they take it step by step.
Destroying a republic isn’t something that can be done quickly.
The article linked above exemplifies the main reason I support the death penalty.
I have no faith in the system to keep convicted murderers locked behind bars for the long haul. Laws can change to become ridiculously lenient and there is always the judge who is a liberal loose cannon. The convicted murderers described in the article linked above were working outside the prison — and some of them were working in an environment without armed personnel. Tellingly, that particular unarmed environment was devoted to rehabilitation and espoused the philosophy that anyone can be rehabilitated. That is complete and utter B.S. There are murderers and pedophiles who are innately driven to commit the vile crimes they commit because they completely lack empathy toward others. There is no amount of rehabilitation in the world which can implant empathy where there is none. Empathy is innate — you either have it or you don’t. And once someone decides to cross the clearly-established line between right and wrong by committing murder, rape, or child molestation, it breaks an emotional barrier that only makes it easier the next time. These type of people are cunning and know how to outwardly reflect expected societal values when they know they are being observed by authority. Anyone who believes their charade is sadly, willfully, and disgustingly naive.
I refer to this condition as a threshold moment.
We have thousands of threshold moments in our lives. Examples, other than murder, learning to walk, to tie your shoelaces, riding a bike or a first kiss. Once we cross that threshold, we can never be the person we were before and it is easier to repeat that moment’s action, be it good or evil.
In the case of Tennessee, I doubt most of its citizens even know this ridiculous work program is active. Regardless of the twisted minds of those who state murderers can be rehabilitated, those citizens that produce a guilty verdict never intended for the guilty to live free while serving their sentence.
Glad to see a fellow European supporting the death penalty at last. This morning I watched a debate on Tv about whether life in prison should mean life. The topic is relevant here because a mass murderer known as the Yorkshire Ripper was told on Friday he will never be released. That makes about 35 murderers who will die in prison. The rest will eventually get out sometime. They had a murderer on the programme who had done 20 years and been released. He said the UK was more harsh than other countries locking him up for so long! The lunatics are running the asylum here. No wonder the antis who post here are so incensed. They should be given a free pass to do-gooders land and never let back. God bless you all in Texas I wish we had your justice here.
Alan: What about the european courts? Do they have any power of this guy’s sentence?
…power over this guy’s sentence?
The UK is a part of the EU, better known as the EUSSR.
No nation can join the EUSSR if they have capital punishment, and since the EUSSR was able to subvert the vote in Ireland last year, the EUSSR constitution is the law of the land.
No member state is sovereign any longer.
The EUSSR now sets the rules for business, courts, military and security.
It doesn’t matter any longer what the citizens of the UK want. They would have to extricate themselves from the EUSSR, which will never happen. Those in charge of Common Purpose have been busy for decades insuring that will never happen.
I find it absolutely shocking that the courts in the U.K. would even consider releasing the Yorkshire Ripper in the first place. The possibility of his release — other than in a pine box as a corpse — should never be a topic deemed worthy of discussion, let alone be deemed worthy of a formal hearing.
But…but…it’s a violation of his human rights!!!!11!!!!!
Maybe he is a prison convert to the Religion of the Perpetually Offended.(a.k.a. islam)
D-Mac
I am English. We DO go to the dentist – perhaps more regularly than you!
You INSULT us! We fought alone in WW2 – you guys came in only after Pearl Harbor.
Our guys fought AND DIED in Iraq and are still dying, alongside yours, in Afghanistan.
So don’t you FUCKING DARE suggest that America saved the world. We are supposed to be ALLIES. I have friends who are grieving the loss of their 20 year old in Afghanistan. Don’t you FUCKING DARE
Lynne the Ass Wipe:
We’ve been told repeatedly by your fellow ass wipes that we are not allies. So fuck off.
I will fucking dare you ignorant slut. We have saved the world countless times and are still being told how to treat our own criminals. Fuck you bitch for the response. I surely do not need an overweight fish and chips fucking non teeth brushing euro trash telling me anything I “should” feel. You are NOT our allies. Every chance you get, you trash my country as being racist. well look in the fucking mirror you cunt. I have never known any persons more racist than british trash.
You keep telling yourself that you go to the dentist. I could not care less. the fact is, your teeth rot because of an enzyme found in licking the ass cracks of criminals. You have it, and going to the dentist will never give you and your people the proud white smile of a god loving, law abiding nation….like the USA.
Again, fuck off. You did not create our society. We were trying to get away from retards like you. That is why this great nation was formed. Now, I know your piece of shit king tried to keep his hands on our business. That is until we said fuck you and kicked your lame ass all the way back over the pond. Keep acting pompus, and I for one (as a good old red blooded Yank, actually a good old red blooded redneck)will take up arms again to put you and your sissy nation back in place.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!
can’t wait for your witty response…damn bloody brits.
why do you hate us so much,not all of us are of the same thinking as alot of Europeans,i am a PROUD Brit girl but i would vote for the dp to be reinstated here if we were ever given the choice in a referendum…it’s notgoing to happen here,our goverments past and present are to scared of Europe.I love oing over this blog but it seems poking fun at us,is the norm,please don’t go calling so many of us by these vile,c word)nameswhen the majority if Brits would happily stand beside you and be counted
love Going over this blog even…my spelling not so bad usually lol
I cannot, in good conscience, stand by and not speak up on behalf of each and every soldier who has nobly chosen to join the fight against terror. Each of our soldiers — including those of our allies — has freely handed the world a blank check for a value up to and including his or her life. Many of them have made the ultimate sacrifice. Each drop of their blood — be it American or British — has been spilled in an effort to make our world a safer place. Each and every drop of their blood is beyond precious.
We cannot discredit the undeniable sacrifices made by our allies’ soldiers any more than we can discredit our own. No one could possibly offer more than his or her own life. I am humbled and awed by each and every one of them — British and American alike.
Nobody bashed soldiers of any country. Maybe you should read the comments carefully before you smear people by implying that they did.
I was addressing this:
It was implied that we discredit and disvalue the sacrifices of our allies. I wasn’t trying to smear anybody.
D-Mac, it’s victim, not victum. Vicim. Right!
LYNNE….it’s cunt….right? Now you are going to preach to me about spelling?! Fuck you, you are a sick twisted piece of shit who has absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about.
First off…I have spent very much time (and money) in the uk, germany, france, the nederlands, asia, africa and all around south and north america. I know all too well your type. You, my dear, have no fucking clue about my type.
Second… when I use the comment about not brushing your teeth it is becasuse…well, most of your countrymen do not. The only other place I have been in the world with poorer oral health is africa. thye have no money and no dentist. I can’t really figure out the brits reason for neglecting their teeth…. maybe to be more like the royal family is the only thing coming to mind.
Finally…. allies help each other in bad situations. Your country may have sent some to iraq and afghan, however we have carried the bulk of the water. Like we have always done. I won’t say that you have never helped us, because that would be wrong. You did help us by teaching us that taxation without representation is bullshit. So thanks for that. Nothing else is coming to mind.
So come on back and correct my spelling all you want bitch. Continue to act holly than thou. Keep pretending that all of us redneck hicks never leave our part of the world. Shave your armpits, take a bath and please brush your tooth. He is already all alone.
Take care fish and chips, I anxiously await your next very intelligent and meaningful post. Ah, never mind, I tried to be nice. Just fuck off bitch.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!
wow your eally do hate us,just wish you’d find a more refined way of saying so.The crazy thing is i can find myself agreeing with so many points raised on this site,one of the reasons i started looking was that i felt i needed to educate myself more on his debate.It has certainly made me raise my eyebrows a few times so to the majority of posters,thank you,you have confirmed ny views on the dp,that it is fair and just.Note to dmac,my teeth are so good,my oral hygiene is 2nd to none that i have actually appeared in toothpaste adverts lol,oh by the way,hairy armpits….think that should be punishable by 40 lashes
Our reaction to so many from the UK and Europe is due to so many horrendous ad hominem attacks directed at us here in Texas.
As D-Mac says, God Bless Texas. Which he has done many times and continues to do.
I am totally sickened by all the Euro bashing I see here. Not all Europeans are the same. Europe may not have the death penalty, but Europe is still a good place. Perhaps if some of you Americans would actually leave the US and travel a little, you would see that Europe is really a very nice continent to visit. But you wont will you – too scared to leave the US? Or maybe you dont actually possess a passport! No surprise there. Not many of you have actually been anywhere other than your own shores. MMMnnnn. Makes we wonder if that’s why you are SO bigotted.
Lynne, with only this one thread to go by, you have no idea…NONE…how we at this blog have had to contend with ugly blathering from Europeans over the years. To be clear, there are Europeans and there are EuroWeenies. It is a distinction with a difference.
First and foremost, this is a Texas blog. Having had EuroWeenies from nearly every country in the EUSSR cast aspersions on and criticize our beloved state has provoked some strong reactions from us.
Just as you have fallen into the false claim, as so many others have, that we in the U.S. don’t travel and/or know about Europe is an example of how close to the surface your own biases are. Also, the lame criticism of our entry into WWII shows your hostility, as it doesn’t address the lend lease program, or that the Brits were critical of our presence when staging there.
From my perspective, Europe is lost. Taken by the self-anointed elites you have allowed to run your country into the ground, handed over sovereignty to the EUSSR and its out of control muslim immigration policies.
No nation or its government is blameless. That doesn’t mean there aren’t still wonderful people living in them that have to contend with the feckless policies our governments impose.
Well at some points you are right, here in the Netherlands people showed at election day that they are not happy with the way things are going right now.
Our PVV got a lot of votes, but now you see there is a twisting and turning going around to prevent the PVV taking place in the government.
So you see, no matter what you choose overhere, it does not make a difference.
To explain some points of the PVV:
- severe punishments for crimes
- stop importing muslims
- stop throwing away money to other countries
- stop with the EURO
and more.
But I have to agree with Lynne also, I have travelt to most of the European countries aswell as to the US, both have their beautiful places and people.
We should support each other not trashing each other.
Our support should go out to the victims of those crimes and not to the offenders.
Bless you all.
Dutch,
I agree with you. We should definitely be supporting each other — especially our efforts to effect positive change in our respective countries. And, yes, both the U.S. and Europe has its beautiful places and wonderful people. I believe the overwhelming majority of people in the world are truly good people. We should focus on respecting and protecting these good people.
I have long feared that the U.S. is heading in the same direction as Europe when it comes to punishment phase laws against crime. That is why I am so vocal in voicing the importance of enforcing strict laws. When we lose ground on an issue, it is incredibly difficult to gain it back — though I do not think it is impossible. It is difficult perhaps, but certainly not impossible . . . I am a pragmatic optimist.
I believe the best approach to tackling seemingly insurmountable odds is to fight complacency and feelings of hopelessness. It is incredible how much we, as dedicated human beings, can accomplish through sheer will and combined effort. We should be providing encouragement to each other to fight our battles.
Most of the Euro flaming on this site has become a knee-jerk response to all the American (and, more specifically, Texan) bashing that is routinely dished out on threads where the Texas death penalty laws are discussed. I don’t support the Euro flaming, but I can certainly understand why others flame . . . though, as I said, it does not excuse it. To flame, bash, and stereotype is to lump the entire lot of good people in with the few bad apples. Just as Europeans are understandably incensed by blatant stereotyping, please also understand that we are human, too; we are also incensed to be the subject of ridiculous stereotypes. We are frequently disparaged in the most disgusting and arrogant manner for having the temerity to discuss the laws of our own state on a blog specifically established to discuss Texas laws and interests. We are not going to anti websites or other websites to attack people of other countries.
At any rate, I find the viewpoints of those with differing opinions to be interesting. There are some who are able to convey their opinion respectfully and tactfully — and I strive to follow their example.
Thank you for sharing your views, Dutch. And blessings to you and your people as well.
How much do you want to bet lynne is an anti?
Another post got eaten! I commented to Alan and Dutch not to take these flames personally. It’s not directed at them and they have a lot of history behind them.
Oh, piss off, Lynne! Many of the people here are military and have been stationed in Europe at one time. Others, like me, have traveled extensively. Yet, every little ass wipe from euroweenieland flocks here to berate us for preferring our own country over theirs and for not following their demands that we adopt their laws. The vast majority are illiterate. All are ignorant. You’re just one of a long line of ass wipes. And you have the nerve to call other people bigoted.
It’s spelled bigoted – not bigotted. Example: Lynne is a bigoted ass wipe.
only 12% of USA nationals hold passports, they only travel en mass when they go to other peoples countrys were their not wanted and kill them.
Bullshit. Closer to 25%.
Oh Boo-Hoo!
Cry me a river, EuroWeenie wannabe.
Go back to your pork and beans, it’s all you know.
He shows up like a bad penny right on cue. LOL
Ha…this coming from a mental midget who wears a dress!
Sorry Paul…I have been to your part of the world. Have you been to mine? Fuck you. Stop coming in here and acting like us hicks in the states don’t know how to travel. Your part of the world only hopes that we Americans spend our money in your land. I have, but will not ever again. After seeing first hand the anti US attitude from you fags has made me never want to send any aide or any help of any sort to your worthless nation.
Be careful what you wish for, asshat. We have stood for freedom, and we have freed many people the world over. This is the greatest nation ever and it is time that all of europa stop being jealous of that fact.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!
Killer set to die Tuesday for ’88 slaying of Houston tenors
By ALLAN TURNER
July 18, 2010, 9:26PM
Derrick Jackson says his lawyers failed him in the 1988 double-murder case.
The scene that greeted police when they entered Forrest Henderson’s Greenway Plaza-area apartment on Sept. 11, 1988, was grisly. Blood smeared bedroom walls, doors and curtains. The bodies of Henderson and his house guest, Richard Alan Wrotenbery, had been slashed, stabbed and bludgeoned with an iron pipe. The killer left a bloody handprint on the doorknob.
The killings rocked the genteel worlds of Houston Grand Opera, where both men performed as tenors, and Deer Park Elementary School, where Wrotenbery, the recently divorced father of a 1-year-old daughter, taught music.
A day after the murders, police spotted Henderson’s stolen car traveling more than 90 mph on a Houston freeway and gave chase. When the vehicle crashed, the driver dashed into a nearby apartment complex to make good his escape.
For seven years the investigation stagnated. Then, in 1995, sheriff’s deputies using sophisticated new fingerprint technology linked a bloody print from Henderson’s apartment to Derrick Jackson, a Houston man serving 12 years for aggravated robbery. Jackson denied any involvement but was convicted of the double-murder in 1998.
‘I’m getting framed’
Jackson is to be executed Tuesday, becoming the 15th killer put to death in Texas this year. Houston lawyers last week were reviewing the case but were uncertain if they would find grounds for further appeals.
“It’s obvious I’m getting framed,” Jackson said in a recent death row interview. “I’m not your bad guy. People who know me know I’m a good guy.”
Police described Jackson as a predator who preyed on patrons of Montrose gay bars.
The tenors’ friends said Wrotenbery lived in his friend’s apartment while Henderson was on an overseas tour with the opera. When Henderson returned, the recently divorced Wrotenbery continued to occupy the residence until he could find a home of his own.
Before their murders, the men, both 31, attended a practice session for a performance of Bizet’s Carmen at the opera’s downtown headquarters.
Afterward, Wrotenbery returned to the apartment while Henderson visited local bars.
While there, Henderson met Jackson. “He just picked up the wrong person and brought him back to the house,” Houston homicide Sgt. D.D. Shirley said after Jackson’s arrest.
Henderson’s next-door neighbor told police he heard loud music coming from the apartment late on Sept. 10. Then, about 4:45 a.m. the next day, a man in the apartment screamed, “Oh my God. No. No.”
Henderson’s nude body later was found face-down on his bed. He repeatedly had been stabbed and suffered a 6-inch skull fracture. Wrotenbery was found on the floor of a second bedroom with his throat slashed.
Wrotenbery’s father, Carl Wrotenbery of Fort Worth, said the impact of his son’s death will “go with me to my grave.”
The elder Wrotenbery, retired library director at Fort Worth’s Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, said he is ambivalent about capital punishment. “When you come to the personal aspect of it, pure logic says for someone to do a crime of this nature, unprovoked — Alan was in the wrong place at the wrong time — it’s hard for me to think the death penalty is unjustified.”
Wrotenbery said he plans to witness the execution. “I’ve made my reservation,” he said. “I feel like it’s my duty as a father and head of the clan. I feel a responsibility to be there and see this done for other family members who, though they may have strong feelings, won’t be able. I have no real desire to be there. I don’t expect to feel anything different. It’s just an unpleasant duty.”
Crime-lab problems
Wrotenbery said the case, marked by false investigative starts and long delays, was hard on his family.
Years after Jackson’s conviction, the way police handled the case was criticized by Michael Bromwich, the independent investigator hired to review operations of the department’s troubled crime lab. In his 2007 report, Bromwich found that a technician apparently manipulated lab findings to bolster the case against detectives’ prime suspect of the moment.
When an early suspect had Type O blood, Bromwich wrote, the employee neglected to report that Type B blood was found on an apartment door. Only when a charge was lodged against Jackson, who has Type B blood, was the fact added to the report.
In his death row interview, Jackson challenged those fingerprint findings and blasted a series of defense lawyers who, he said, “helped me get down to the execution chamber.”
“I don’t stay up at night and have nightmares,” Jackson said. “I pray for myself. I hate the fact that I’m being blamed and will be killed, but it’s more sadness than hate. Oh, life’s a bitch.”
http://goo.gl/fhSl
Go cry to Evans over at AIUSA. You will get no support here thug lover. You guys are definitely running out of steam. To gain some why don’t you hug a murderer
HOUSTON TENORS MURDER TIMELINE
• Sept. 10, 1988: Forrest Henderson and his housemate, Richard Alan Wrotenbery, attend a Houston Grand Opera rehearsal. Henderson later returns to his Greenway Plaza-area apartment with a man he met that night at a bar.
• Sept. 11, 1988: Authorities find the beaten and stabbed bodies of Henderson and Wrotenbery inside the apartment after neighbors reported hearing screams.
• Sept. 12, 1988: An HPD officer spots someone driving Henderson’s car and gives chase at speeds reaching 90 mph. The driver crashes the car and gets away on foot.
• May 1992: Derrick Leon Jackson is arrested on a robbery charge that later nets him a 12-year prison sentence.
• April 1995: Investigators match Jackson’s fingerprint, collected during the robbery investigation, to the murder scene.
• March 1998: A Harris County jury sentences Jackson to death for the murders.
• July 20, 2010: Jackson’s scheduled execution date
http://goo.gl/fhSl
It’s sickening. If you google the names of the victims trying to find photos of them, all you get are photos of death row thugs.
This is what I mean: http://goo.gl/i8Ls
I meant to bookmark that victims organization that Tracy mentioned in a link she gave, I think it was on the Perry thread.
I’ll bet they have the photos of the victims.
I have looked for Wrotenbery’s and Henderson’s photos, but have not been able to find a thing. I even checked the Find-A-Grave website, Texans For Equal Justice’s Crime Victim Memorial Wall, and the Houston Grand Opera website. I thought that perhaps the opera house would have a memorial page in honor of their two murdered tenors.
It is usually very, very difficult to find photos of the poor victims — and this case has proven to be no exception.
Sometimes on these old cases, the media will dig into their archives and find photos to print close to the execution. But, they better hurry.
Yes, I am very, very surprised that there are not some public images available of Wrotenbery and Henderson. They performed in the public eye . . .
My condolences to their families. I can’t imagine what they have been through the past 22 years.
Like all media…murderers; front page…victims; back page, unfortunate that it doesnt end there. As for the victims families…they wait, they grieve, they learn to live with the pain, they try and rationalize the justification of endless appeals, they pray no new laws are enacted to further dilute sentences or nullify the death penalty, they get old and die without ever seeing justice served.
Someone had trumpeted concern for the human rights of the murderer, I feel that the moment he unjustly violated the victims human rights he surrendered his own rights as a human.
Stabbing is the national sport in the UK. I remember this case. They refused to deport the creep because it would violate his “rights.”
http://goo.gl/Vhb8
If you read the comment section of the article, the majority of the commenters are disgusted and angry over the light sentencing. It seems as though those who are in favor of light sentences are in the minority. I hope, for the sake of the people, that the voice of the majority will eventually be heeded.
It won’t be. I believe Alan commented on how light sentencing is. It is a constant battle to get lwop sentences and it is never guaranteed in that some politician can come along and change it. They were all set to parole that murdering bitch Myra Hindley. Luckily, word got out before they did. If you ever have the opportunity rent the movie Lonsdale. It’s pretty good and they have footage of the parents of the victims edited in. I especially enjoyed one enraged mother stating how she was going to find her and gut her.
I am not familiar with that case. From what little you’ve described, it sounds unbearably heartbreaking though . . .
What you said about politicians reducing sentences describes my biggest concern about our own laws right here in the U.S. I have read about unseemly pardons in other states and have been shocked by reversals made right here in Texas based solely upon technicalities (not upon guilt). As I’ve said, it is the main reason I support the death penalty . . . A future politician or judge cannot release a dangerous prisoner upon society if the prisoner is dead.
They kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered children and recorded it on tape.
Looked up some info on that case . . . No need to worry about her eventual release since she died in 2002.
Thank God she died…she “CLAIMED” to be ready for society again..here she would have been put to death..there? She may have been released..which is why again, I think the system there is horrible to allow her to walk free again after such dispicable crimes…
This is the last execution for the month in Texas. They have the big one scheduled August 17th. After that, 1 more for October. Texas is slipping.
Whoops! Found a second one scheduled for October. So, it’s Cantu in August and Bradford and Wooten in October. Pathetic.
I am hoping for one to be scheduled in January ’11…one year after his supposed last hearing with the 5th circuit court of appeals in NO. We were originally told it would take 3 months for a decision to be reached however when I contacted the Tx AGs office checking on the status I was told that 3 months was an unrealistic time frame. Ready for this to be done!!!
I assume that if his sentence is affirmed by the 5th, he’ll appeal to the USSC. You really need the patience of Job.
I just saw where the son of a bitch tried to go for a loaded hidden gun. Too bad the cops just didn’t shoot him and everybody would be done with it.
his case has already been heard by the USSC (but not for the retardation claim) from what my dad says…I didnt keep close tabs on the appeals being heard for a long time, trying to deal with my daughters’ ongoing trauma, therapy..etc. and I had gotten to the point where I didnt want to think of this guy, smug with his european sympathizers on sick websites…his exisitance being of little interest to me. After all knowing I’m living in Texas where commonsense is the norm (sans Austin for the mostpart). I didnt figure on having to worry too too much about him getting a reduced sentence as he has 4 more capital murder charges he would have to get through but wow, what an expense to go to for someone who has happily admitted to his killing, raping, shooting spree but mad that it was interrupted. Now that we seem to be getting more info on our strange federal congressional regime I’m not sure all capital offenders wouldnt be released in order to cast a vote…
Again, I can’t believe he did all the things he did and is retarded.
but he’s not retarded. Eluded police, Tx Rangers and the FBI for months? Well…he did things to cover his crimes most people wouldnt think of doing.
I would like to post something here that is in our news today in Holland.
Below the text in Dutch, I will translate as good as I can.
TBS’er
Een tbs’er die op het punt staat vrij te worden gelaten loopt mee met de Vierdaagse. Hij is veroordeeld voor meerdere verkrachtingen en een moord, schrijft De Telegraaf op basis van bekenden van hem.
Justitie wil in de krant alleen zeggen dat hij is veroordeeld voor een geweldsmisdrijf.
De man woont sinds kort zelfstandig en wordt een paar keer per week behandeld in de Pompe Kliniek in Nijmegen. Als onderdeel van zijn therapie mag hij zonder begeleiding aan de Vierdaagse meedoen.
It say’s that a convicted man who has committed multiple rapes and a murder has been allowed to join a National walking event (of 4 day’s) in Nijmegen as part of his therapy.
He is recently living on his own outside prison and is following therapy.
In Texas they are putting a man to dead today for murder.
Can you see how sick justice is here in the Netherlands !!!
I am ashamed to be a citizin of this country.
Just to let you see the difference between a sick nation and a State who care’s for his people by eliminating criminals (like Texas).
Earlier I already posted a news headline from Holland that a convicted Turkish man who killed 6 people was allowed to visit family and relatives outside jail on a regular basis !!!!
Sick … sick … sick …
That is heartwrenching…how can a society put more innocent people at risk like that???
Unfreakingbelievable…
I’ve written a post to discuss tonight’s execution of the rabid animal otherwise known as Derrick Jackson.
You have your face up the queen’s butt crack on a daily basis. We could say she is molesting you. Tell me – how far up there you’ve been?
I just read some of these post and have one question.
Why would you send money to death row inmates instead of a more worthy cause such as victims families, orphans, battered women, or even the spca? There are so many other important places money should go besides death row inmates they already receive what they need via tax dollars.
All of you Christians slobbering over executions should rape yourselves with a Bible.
No, we shouldn’t.
You should try posting when you are feeling better, after that yeast infection is gone.
The ones who really slobber and attempt to beat their opponents over the head with a Bible are those who oppose capital punishment.
Figures a leftard would get it backazzwards.
The Texas Monthly has an article and documentary on Anthony Graves who will be retried for multiple counts of capital murder next spring.
All the TM crapola did is give me more facts to argue his guilt. Way to go, TM…thanks!
Texas monthly is a Liberal rag that — when they talk politics — is on the wrong side of the tracks when compared to the majority of Texas voters. There former Editor in Chief, Evan Smith, set the tone there, and has continued his anti-death penalty advocacy over at his “unbiased” and “objective” (sorry, I can’t even type those words without laughing) media organization, the Texas Tribune.
The death row inmate adulation over there rivals anything you’ll read at fangirl sites like Prison Talk. I think one of their young female reporters, Brandi Grissom, developed a serious crush on Hank Skinner during her series of face-to-face interviews on Death Row (Grissom, to date, has written at least 14 articles for the Texas Tribune on the murdering POS Skinner).
And none of my comments (which were civil and based on the actual evidence) to any of Grissom’s articles ever appeared. That’s the juvenile shit most of them pull.
Any time I think they can’t get any dumber, the pto bitches do. They are now linking to Iran news media criticizing the US for human rights violations. Unfuckingbelievable!
LOL!
Their agenda is the destruction of western society, just as Iran’s.
It is dumb fuck synchronicity.
DFS?
Better not, sounds like Department of Family Services.
I am Canadian and I’m 100% for the death penalty!! but I think it should be administered before court by the cops themselves. They know who the douches are!. Has anyone seen the 1st 48 at all?? It seems that most crime in America is committed by the same type of person, uneducated image first gangster loosers. It should be soo simple go into the areas that have high gang crime with 500 or so Marines, Army or shit even some Canadian soldiers and just look for any one that looks like a gangster type and if they have a gun then bye bye lol. Shit you could even open up hunting season on em lol, that would fix the prison problems in a fucking hurry then move on down to Mexico and get rid of all the cartels except 1 so the violence calms down.
Go do it in canada and let us know how it works out, knucklehead.
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Good study and I am a dick head
BOOKS: “Most Deserving of Death?”
A new book by law professor Kenneth Williams of South Texas College of Law, titled Most Deserving of Death? An Analysis of the Supreme Court’s Death Penalty Jurisprudence, examines whether the death penalty system really punishes the worst offenders, as intended by the Supreme Court’s approval of state laws. The book looks at issues such as jury selection, ineffective assistance of counsel, innocence, and race, and how these issues reflect on who is sentenced to death. Prof. Williams concludes that that application of the death penalty is inconsistent and incoherent, partly because of the Supreme Court’s jurisprudence, and this leads to a lack of public confidence in the system. Prof. Susan D. Rozelle, of the Stetson University College of Law, said of the book, “Williams shines light into the dark corners of the capital punishment debate by focusing on the procedural nightmare. He takes readers on a whirlwind tour of the system’s failures, showing starkly how bad lawyering, racial discrimination, and shoddy science, for example, can mean the difference between life and death.”
Mr. Williams book is just more of the jot and title minutia. Pick a part rig-ah-ma-row. Equate, conflate and juxtapose that opponents of The Death Penalty always write. In anything like a real debate (i.e. more them 2 hours) where he could or would not be allowed to grandstand or spew empty polemics. His whole position would boil down to a typical obnoxious know it all teenagers. “I just think! I just feel! I just believe!” Bottom line Mr. Williams is Vacant.
Michael Perry seems to be as guilty as O.J.Simpson was innocent.
I don’t see a problem with excuting someone who really did murder someone. I do see
a problem that someone who can’t afford a good lawyer (like a young 19 year old who might have
been a bit high) can get beat into confession and end up dead so as to cover up the initial cohereced
confession and protect the current process, while a rich famous person can be caught on helicopter tape fleeing the cops with blood on his hands can get away with it. (got away with the murder, but at least the
second time he got nailed for the armed robbery)
Wake up guys. It can happen to any of you or your kids one day.
He wasn’t beat into a confession, you moron. Nor was he coerced. Take your meds.
I admittedly consider each case before I decide if the death penalty is appropriate. I also feel that knowing the punishment for capital murder, those who are execute have committed, albeit not instantly, suicide when they murder another person with capital circumstances. It does boggle my mind how some serial killers are given life sentences while other, single victim killers are executed. i do not necessarily feel that single victim killers should not be executed but there sure seems to be a lot of discretion on the part of the prosecutor when it comes to seeking the death penalty. I also wanted to express my appreciation for the passion expressed by those commenting on this and other death penalty sites.
There are specifics…and serial killers do get the death penalty…
The following crimes are Capital Murder in Texas:Â
murder of a peace officer or fireman who is acting in the lawful discharge of an official duty and who the person knows is a peace officer or fireman;
murder during the commission or attempted commission of kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or retaliation, or terroristic threat;
murder for remuneration or promise of remuneration or employs another to commit murder for remuneration or promise of remuneration;
murder during escape or attempted escape from a penal institution;
murder, while incarcerated in a penal institution, of a correctional employee or with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination;
murder while incarcerated in a penal institution for a conviction of murder or capital murder;
murder while incarcerated in a penal institution serving a life sentence or a 99 year sentence for a conviction of aggravated kidnapping, aggravated sexual assault, or aggravated robbery;
murder of more than one person during the same criminal transaction or during different criminal transactions but the murders are committed pursuant to the same scheme or course of conduct;
murder of an individual under ten years of age; or
murder in retaliation for or on account of the service or status of the other person as a judge or justice of the supreme court, the court of criminal appeals, a court of appeals, a district court, a criminal district court, a constitutional county court, a statutory county court, a justice court, or a municipal court.
Apparently, thomas whitaker is pissed about the conditions he has to live in.
Boo Fucking Hoo…
http://www.handsoffcain.info/news/index.php?iddocumento=16305493
Let’s not forget if the son of a bitch didn’t try to murder his entire family, he wouldn’t be in a cage in the first place…
I can’t wait to see how this plays out…
I just learned of this murder case by searching Netflix and found a documentary about it called “Into the Abyss” and It was very sad. I believe the state did the right thing by executing Perry. He was clearly guilty in this case. I am from NYC and I also believe in the death penalty/capital pulinishment when there is evidence that the person actually committed the crimes, Like in this case. I also feel that God thinks the State did the right thing. In the end, it is just a sad situation that 4 people had to die for a lously automobile. God bless all the families and this beautiful world we live in. People need to appreciate life in general and not take life away. Only God can do that and that is what he did here.
So your GOD. That’s just fantastic! God believes in penalty/capital pulinishment?
Yes, yes he does and if you weren’t such an insufferable fool and Godless cretin you would know that.
I’m against the death penalty and it is outrageous how so many of the comments are in favor of killing a human being. Legal or not unless your GOD what gives any of us the right to impose such a severe sentence. I make a modest living and I have no problem having tax payer money support the life sentence, rehabilitation, etc. of any felon. If you read the entire story of Michael Perry it is obvious he was a very sick person and did not have a good upbringing. Not that it would justify such a heinous act but clearly he was not in a good situation and needed severe help. It’s unfortunate that the death penaly exists and instead of contributing to society it is more convenient for some people to eliminate the problem then try to fix it through education. Clearly all the racist, in humane comments are from ignorant people(most). What a shame that you continue to emabarass us as Americans and then you decide to attack Europe and others. Shame on you! I will educate my children so that they are not RACIST, believe in equality and most of all human rights.
You have your opinion, you should have stopped there. But, no00o, you just have to take it further and impugn the opinion of those here who do support the DP because you are such an arrogant asshole you actually believe your view is far superior.
Fuck off, get over yourself and tell your children that I said they should leave your home as quickly as they can be considered emancipated so they can be rid of you and your stifling of their Human Rights.
You’re fast!
Ha!
This time I was.
Do these people REALLY not have anything better to do than comment on a thread that’s 2 or more years old? Been seeing a lot of this recently.
I know, right?
It makes me wonder(but not for very long) what search engine terms they are using.
I think it has more to do with television, i.e., some old crime doc re-airing. Other times, they have heard bad news regarding their thug and come here to screech, as if that will magically change things.
JustBullshit: This is a pro DP blog. What would be outrageous would be if the comments were pre-dominantly pro thug. Like most thug lovers, you make no sense. Perry was not sick in that he did not know the difference between right and wrong. He knew and he just didn’t care. He was a sociopath and he fucking murdered 3 innocent people. He did have a good upbringing and he thanked his parents by making their lives living hell. That Perry has been wiped off this earth and can no longer hurt anyone else is a contribution to society. No, it wasn’t convenient but it certainly was just to execute him for 3 murders. As for ignorance, look in the mirror. You can’t even express a coherent thought. You are the embarrassment, cupcake, not us. And you appear to be a racist, too. No, you don’t believe in equality. You want murderers to live and victims to just shut up. Now, kindly fuck off.
p.s.: Do your kids a favor and put them up for adoption.
Yea…you say that until it is YOUR kid that is raped and murdered or your mother baking cookies like the one Perry killed…
So what do you do if they do have life without parole and then kill in prison???
Put them in a box for life??
That’s pretty much like death row….
Rehabilitation? That was so funny I spit out some of my soda….